Digital BW, The Print

I am using a Nikon 5000 with the Nikon software for Tri-X and Plus-X 
negatives.  I find better results scanning for "color negative" and 
scan at 16 bits, 8X (seems to reduce scanner noise), and neutral 
settings on all the other controls.  At 100% on screen (1:1) I see 
small areas of posterization, especially in shadows, but also sometimes 
in midtones.  These areas do not seem visible in the prints or at lower 
resolution on screen.  This makes no sense to me.  Any thoughts?  Does 
Tri-X, with that long, shallow toe, actually look like this?  Scanner 
settings?  Could the monitor itself (Sony LCD, 5K, 2.2) be doing this?  
Thanks.

Hi;

Scanning as color negative allows the software to do the reversal which 
for Nikon is a mistake: it is notorious for clipping and compressing 
the shadows in this situation. Try this:

A)scan as positve, either color or grayscale
B)during preview, use the master analog gain slider to center the data.
C) Set black & white points a bit short of normal. This will give you a 
low contrast image when you reverse in PS, but it will preserve ALL the 
data. you can then re-adjust with  levels and curve layers to get the 
image you want.

Scan in 16-bit. Unless you have a very dense negative, you shouldn't 
need to multi-sample, most negs developed for wet-printing don't even 
come close to the dynamic range of that scanner.

Hope this helps!

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "wwodets" 
<odets@c...> wrote:
> I am using a Nikon 5000 with the Nikon software for Tri-X and Plus-X 
> negatives.  I find better results scanning for "color negative" and 
> scan at 16 bits, 8X (seems to reduce scanner noise), and neutral 
> settings on all the other controls.  At 100% on screen (1:1) I see 
> small areas of posterization, especially in shadows, but also 
sometimes 
> in midtones.  These areas do not seem visible in the prints or at 
lower 
> resolution on screen.  This makes no sense to me.  Any thoughts?  
Does 
> Tri-X, with that long, shallow toe, actually look like this?  Scanner 
> settings?  Could the monitor itself (Sony LCD, 5K, 2.2) be doing 
this?  
> Thanks.

With the Nikon 8000 I scan my B&Ws as grayscale positives.  It seems to work
well.  I got clipping with the grayscale negative settings.  

I wonder what the scanner's attempts to remove the "mask" does to a B&W that
is scanned as a color negative.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

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> Subject: [Digital BW] Nikon 5000 scanner question . . .
> 
> I am using a Nikon 5000 with the Nikon software for Tri-X and Plus-X
> negatives.  I find better results scanning for "color negative" and
> scan at 16 bits, 8X (seems to reduce scanner noise), and neutral
> settings on all the other controls.  At 100% on screen (1:1) I see
> small areas of posterization, especially in shadows, but also sometimes
> in midtones.  These areas do not seem visible in the prints or at lower
> resolution on screen.  This makes no sense to me.  Any thoughts?  Does
> Tri-X, with that long, shallow toe, actually look like this?  Scanner
> settings?  Could the monitor itself (Sony LCD, 5K, 2.2) be doing this?
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> With the Nikon 8000 I scan my B&Ws as grayscale positives.  It 
seems to work
> well.  I got clipping with the grayscale negative settings.  
> 
> I wonder what the scanner's attempts to remove the "mask" does to a 
B&W that
> is scanned as a color negative.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of wwodets
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:51 AM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Nikon 5000 scanner question . . .
> > 
> > I am using a Nikon 5000 with the Nikon software for Tri-X and 
Plus-X
> > negatives.  I find better results scanning for "color negative" 
and
> > scan at 16 bits, 8X (seems to reduce scanner noise), and neutral
> > settings on all the other controls.  At 100% on screen (1:1) I see
> > small areas of posterization, especially in shadows, but also 
sometimes
> > in midtones.  These areas do not seem visible in the prints or at 
lower
> > resolution on screen.  This makes no sense to me.  Any thoughts?  
Does
> > Tri-X, with that long, shallow toe, actually look like this?  
Scanner
> > settings?  Could the monitor itself (Sony LCD, 5K, 2.2) be doing 
this?
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
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