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Free speech my friend is obviously something with which you do not agree.

What you do appear to subscribe to is the tyrany of the mob concept.

Shame on you sir for your less than democratic approach to life.

Now if you really wish to lower your blood pressure, may I recomend a twelve 
week course of daily aerobic exercise , which, by the way, will also 
increase the quantity of endorphine's in the brain and thus should improve 
your feel-good factor.

Richard

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "btvarner" <bthomasv@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 12:50 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] For Threads that go Off Topic


If you have Microsoft Outlook you may do the following:
With Outlook open, from the menu choose "Tools" & then
"Rules Wizard"
& click "New",

Ensure that "Start creating a rule from a template" is
selected,

Highlight "Move new message from someone" & click
"next",

Under "Which condition(s) do you want to check?" make sure
"with
specific words in the message header" is selected,

In the lower window on this same screen click on "specific
words" in
the sentence stating "Apply this rule after the message arrives
with
specific words in the message header move it to the specified
folder",

Type in "Paul Aparycki" & click add,

Type in tawow@... & click add, then click "OK",

In the same lower window as before click on "specified" in
the
sentence stating "Apply this rule after the message arrives with
specific words in the message header move it to the specified
folder",

Choose the "Deleted Items" folder & click "OK", then
click "Next",

Click Next through two more windows, then click "Finish"

You should now have an active rule that will automatically place into
the deleted items folder any messages coming from this person either
directly or through the list.  One less asshole in the world to deal
with.  Please note that I did not say bad photographer, I said
asshole.

Problem solved!

As an extra bonus you can create a rule to deal with threads that you
do not want to weed through any longer.  Just copy the subject line
into the rule and like magic, those emails also get deleted without
getting your blood pressure up.  If you have different email software
you might try looking in help under "Email Rules" & see if
this might
be possible in your tool.

This really is related to Digital B&W Prints, really!!!  I subscribe
to this list for information on this subject.   Threads get off on
tirades that are hard to avoid.  My blood pressure goes up.  I go
yell at my neighbors dog.  I am so upset I cannot capture images with
my pinhole, brownie, 35mm, 6x6, 4x5, 8x10, DLSR cameras.....or
to
make prints.

With this approach, ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

This has been a public service announcement.  You may now resume your
regularly scheduled threads.





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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Corbett" 
<richard@r...> wrote:
> Free speech my friend is obviously something with which you do not 
agree.
> 
> What you do appear to subscribe to is the tyrany of the mob concept.
> 
> Shame on you sir for your less than democratic approach to life.
> 
> Now if you really wish to lower your blood pressure, may I recomend a 
twelve 
> week course of daily aerobic exercise , which, by the way, will also 
> increase the quantity of endorphine's in the brain and thus should 
improve 

> your feel-good factor.
> 
> Richard

There's no restriction of Freedom of Speech there, one is not required 
to listen, only to permit the speech to occur.

Killfiling is a very effective way to deal with the uncivil.

And to get this back on-topic, I seem to be one of the lucky ones for 
whom BO works on the C86. Surpisingly, I've had the best results so far 
with Kayenta and the Epson ink. It's noticably cooler than the warm 
EEM/Epson ink combination, although the EEM is quite nice when it's not 
sitting next to the Kayenta. Anyone else tried this combination?

Now to order some Eboni and try that.


-Adam



Richard Corbett wrote:

> Free speech my friend is obviously something with which you do not agree.
>
> What you do appear to subscribe to is the tyrany of the mob concept.
>
> Shame on you sir for your less than democratic approach to life.
>
> Now if you really wish to lower your blood pressure, may I recomend a 
> twelve
> week course of daily aerobic exercise , which, by the way, will also
> increase the quantity of endorphine's in the brain and thus should 
> improve
> your feel-good factor.
>
> Richard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "btvarner" <bthomasv@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 12:50 AM
> Subject: [Digital BW] For Threads that go Off Topic
>
>
> If you have Microsoft Outlook you may do the following:
> With Outlook open, from the menu choose "Tools" & then
> "Rules Wizard"
> & click "New",
>
> Ensure that "Start creating a rule from a template" is
> selected,
>
> Highlight "Move new message from someone" & click
> "next",
>
> Under "Which condition(s) do you want to check?" make sure
> "with
> specific words in the message header" is selected,
>
> In the lower window on this same screen click on "specific
> words" in
> the sentence stating "Apply this rule after the message arrives
> with
> specific words in the message header move it to the specified
> folder",
>
> Type in "Paul Aparycki" & click add,
>
> Type in tawow@... & click add, then click "OK",
>
> In the same lower window as before click on "specified" in
> the
> sentence stating "Apply this rule after the message arrives with
> specific words in the message header move it to the specified
> folder",
>
> Choose the "Deleted Items" folder & click "OK", then
> click "Next",
>
> Click Next through two more windows, then click "Finish"
>
> You should now have an active rule that will automatically place into
> the deleted items folder any messages coming from this person either
> directly or through the list.  One less asshole in the world to deal
> with.  Please note that I did not say bad photographer, I said
> asshole.
>
> Problem solved!
>
> As an extra bonus you can create a rule to deal with threads that you
> do not want to weed through any longer.  Just copy the subject line
> into the rule and like magic, those emails also get deleted without
> getting your blood pressure up.  If you have different email software
> you might try looking in help under "Email Rules" & see if
> this might
> be possible in your tool.
>
> This really is related to Digital B&W Prints, really!!!  I subscribe
> to this list for information on this subject.   Threads get off on
> tirades that are hard to avoid.  My blood pressure goes up.  I go
> yell at my neighbors dog.  I am so upset I cannot capture images with
> my pinhole, brownie, 35mm, 6x6, 4x5, 8x10, DLSR cameras.....or
> to
> make prints.
>
> With this approach, ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
>
> This has been a public service announcement.  You may now resume your
> regularly scheduled threads.
>
>
>
>
>

Hello Adam,

>I seem to be one of the lucky ones for whom BO works on the C86. 

That's good news.  I'm wondering of some of the other ones might not
benefit from a head alignment.


>Surpisingly, I've had the best results so far with Kayenta and the 
>Epson ink. It's noticably cooler than the warm EEM/Epson ink 
>combination, although the EEM is quite nice when it's not 
>sitting next to the Kayenta. Anyone else tried this combination?

Yes, it's one of my favorites.  Kayenta renders the pure carbon inks
much cooler than most other papers.  If you want a real thrill, put
some Eboni in it and see what happens.  There is a chart on my web
site that shows the ink color, paper color and dmax for 24 papers,
using Eboni BO.  Kayenta ranks the coldest.  It's article #5, "The
Great Paper Chase".

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

To the Group At Large,

Please keep mind the group guidelines in regards to keeping to the 
topic of the group and maintaining civil behavior.

The moderators of the group may suspend posting privileges and/or 
group membership of severe or chronic offenders.

Best,
Martin Wesley




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Richard 
Corbett" <richard@r...> wrote:
> Free speech my friend is obviously something with which you do not 
agree.
> 
> What you do appear to subscribe to is the tyrany of the mob 
concept.
> 
> Shame on you sir for your less than democratic approach to life.
> 
> Now if you really wish to lower your blood pressure, may I 
recomend a twelve 
> week course of daily aerobic exercise , which, by the way, will 
also 
> increase the quantity of endorphine's in the brain and thus should 
improve 

> your feel-good factor.
> 
> Richard
>

Clayton,

> ...
> Kayenta renders the pure carbon inks
> much cooler than most other papers.  ...
> Kayenta ranks the coldest. 

Have you tried Premier Matte?  My memory is that it prints very cold.  It's
also one of the cheapest acid free papers I know of and hits a solid 1.7
dmax.  See http://www.photowarehouse.biz/premier.html

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

I haven't tried it, but in the past I had very good results with BO 
on the C86 using the Epson ink on EEM. After switching to the MIS 
EZ inkset, I was dismayed to find that, to my eye, the prints were 
no smoother or more detailed than the BO prints (I made a post 
about this sometime in May) and the only difference to my eye was 
the visibly warmer tone of the BO prints.

Strangely, now that I have the MIS EZ inks installed, the BO prints 
on my C86 (with Eboni ink) show banding -- even after doing several 
head alignments. It's a pity, because the BO technique was faster 
and seemed to use much less ink.

Perhaps it's time to go back and see what I can do to get rid of 
the banding.

Jordan



Adam Maas wrote:
> There's no restriction of Freedom of Speech there, one is not required 
> to listen, only to permit the speech to occur.
> 
> Killfiling is a very effective way to deal with the uncivil.
> 
> And to get this back on-topic, I seem to be one of the lucky ones for 
> whom BO works on the C86. Surpisingly, I've had the best results so far 
> with Kayenta and the Epson ink. It's noticably cooler than the warm 
> EEM/Epson ink combination, although the EEM is quite nice when it's not 
> sitting next to the Kayenta. Anyone else tried this combination?
> 
> Now to order some Eboni and try that.
> 
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> 
> Richard Corbett wrote:
> 
> 
>>Free speech my friend is obviously something with which you do not agree.
>>
>>What you do appear to subscribe to is the tyrany of the mob concept.
>>
>>Shame on you sir for your less than democratic approach to life.
>>
>>Now if you really wish to lower your blood pressure, may I recomend a 
>>twelve
>>week course of daily aerobic exercise , which, by the way, will also
>>increase the quantity of endorphine's in the brain and thus should 
>>improve
>>your feel-good factor.
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "btvarner" <bthomasv@...>
>>To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 12:50 AM
>>Subject: [Digital BW] For Threads that go Off Topic
>>
>>
>>If you have Microsoft Outlook you may do the following:
>>With Outlook open, from the menu choose "Tools" & then
>>"Rules Wizard"
>>& click "New",
>>
>>Ensure that "Start creating a rule from a template" is
>>selected,
>>
>>Highlight "Move new message from someone" & click
>>"next",
>>
>>Under "Which condition(s) do you want to check?" make sure
>>"with
>>specific words in the message header" is selected,
>>
>>In the lower window on this same screen click on "specific
>>words" in
>>the sentence stating "Apply this rule after the message arrives
>>with
>>specific words in the message header move it to the specified
>>folder",
>>
>>Type in "Paul Aparycki" & click add,
>>
>>Type in tawow@... & click add, then click "OK",
>>
>>In the same lower window as before click on "specified" in
>>the
>>sentence stating "Apply this rule after the message arrives with
>>specific words in the message header move it to the specified
>>folder",
>>
>>Choose the "Deleted Items" folder & click "OK", then
>>click "Next",
>>
>>Click Next through two more windows, then click "Finish"
>>
>>You should now have an active rule that will automatically place into
>>the deleted items folder any messages coming from this person either
>>directly or through the list.  One less asshole in the world to deal
>>with.  Please note that I did not say bad photographer, I said
>>asshole.
>>
>>Problem solved!
>>
>>As an extra bonus you can create a rule to deal with threads that you
>>do not want to weed through any longer.  Just copy the subject line
>>into the rule and like magic, those emails also get deleted without
>>getting your blood pressure up.  If you have different email software
>>you might try looking in help under "Email Rules" & see if
>>this might
>>be possible in your tool.
>>
>>This really is related to Digital B&W Prints, really!!!  I subscribe
>>to this list for information on this subject.   Threads get off on
>>tirades that are hard to avoid.  My blood pressure goes up.  I go
>>yell at my neighbors dog.  I am so upset I cannot capture images with
>>my pinhole, brownie, 35mm, 6x6, 4x5, 8x10, DLSR cameras.....or
>>to
>>make prints.
>>
>>With this approach, ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>This has been a public service announcement.  You may now resume your
>>regularly scheduled threads.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated.
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I am getting banding printing BO with my Epson C86 + EEM + Epson 
Durabrite black ink. Cleaning and alignment cycles did not improve 
the prints. I am printing files that have a 500 ppi resolution.

I too observed that MIS EZ prints were neither smoother nor more 
detailed than BO prints, rather just cooler. I wonder where I am 
doing wrong. I would love to get from somebody on the forum a good 
EZ MIS print done according to Paul Roark + a good BO print done 
according to Clayton Jones, and try to print the same files myself, 
in order to understand where the mistakes are.

Antonio Bardocci

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jordan Wosnick 
<jwosnick@f...> wrote:
> 
> I haven't tried it, but in the past I had very good results with 
BO 
> on the C86 using the Epson ink on EEM. After switching to the MIS 
> EZ inkset, I was dismayed to find that, to my eye, the prints were 
> no smoother or more detailed than the BO prints (I made a post 
> about this sometime in May) and the only difference to my eye was 
> the visibly warmer tone of the BO prints.
> 
> Strangely, now that I have the MIS EZ inks installed, the BO 
prints 
> on my C86 (with Eboni ink) show banding -- even after doing 
several 

> head alignments. It's a pity, because the BO technique was faster 
> and seemed to use much less ink.
> 
> Perhaps it's time to go back and see what I can do to get rid of 
> the banding.
> 
> Jordan

I am getting banding printing BO with my Epson C86 + EEM + Epson 
Durabrite black ink. Cleaning and alignment cycles did not improve 
the prints. I am printing files that have a 500 ppi resolution.

I too observed that MIS EZ prints were neither smoother nor more 
detailed than BO prints, rather just cooler. I wonder where I am 
doing wrong. I would love to get from somebody on the forum a good 
EZ MIS print done according to Paul Roark + a good BO print done 
according to Clayton Jones, and try to print the same files myself, 
in order to understand where the mistakes are.

Antonio Bardocci

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jordan Wosnick 
<jwosnick@f...> wrote:
> 
> I haven't tried it, but in the past I had very good results with 
BO 
> on the C86 using the Epson ink on EEM. After switching to the MIS 
> EZ inkset, I was dismayed to find that, to my eye, the prints were 
> no smoother or more detailed than the BO prints (I made a post 
> about this sometime in May) and the only difference to my eye was 
> the visibly warmer tone of the BO prints.
> 
> Strangely, now that I have the MIS EZ inks installed, the BO 
prints 
> on my C86 (with Eboni ink) show banding -- even after doing 
several 

> head alignments. It's a pity, because the BO technique was faster 
> and seemed to use much less ink.
> 
> Perhaps it's time to go back and see what I can do to get rid of 
> the banding.
> 
> Jordan

I think the major issue is just that C86's exhibit considerable 
unit-to-unit variation in their ability to handle BO without banding.

If you'd like to see some samples, send me an e-mail.

Jordan

bard960 wrote:
> I am getting banding printing BO with my Epson C86 + EEM + Epson 
> Durabrite black ink. Cleaning and alignment cycles did not improve 
> the prints. I am printing files that have a 500 ppi resolution.
> 
> I too observed that MIS EZ prints were neither smoother nor more 
> detailed than BO prints, rather just cooler. I wonder where I am 
> doing wrong. I would love to get from somebody on the forum a good 
> EZ MIS print done according to Paul Roark + a good BO print done 
> according to Clayton Jones, and try to print the same files myself, 
> in order to understand where the mistakes are.
> 
> Antonio Bardocci
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jordan Wosnick 
> <jwosnick@f...> wrote:
> 
>>I haven't tried it, but in the past I had very good results with 
> 
> BO 
> 
>>on the C86 using the Epson ink on EEM. After switching to the MIS 
>>EZ inkset, I was dismayed to find that, to my eye, the prints were 
>>no smoother or more detailed than the BO prints (I made a post 
>>about this sometime in May) and the only difference to my eye was 
>>the visibly warmer tone of the BO prints.
>>
>>Strangely, now that I have the MIS EZ inks installed, the BO 
> 
> prints 
> 
>>on my C86 (with Eboni ink) show banding -- even after doing 
> 
> several 
> 
>>head alignments. It's a pity, because the BO technique was faster 
>>and seemed to use much less ink.
>>
>>Perhaps it's time to go back and see what I can do to get rid of 
>>the banding.
>>
>>Jordan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated.
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Jordan Wosnick
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