Digital BW, The Print

I am wondering if there is anything anyone might suggest on this end
regarding the hold up on the availability of the inks and cartridges
for the Epson 2400.
We have telephoned MIS a number of times, but the response is that MIS
is only waiting for the chip maker to provide chips for the MIS 2400
cartridges. 
Apparently the ink is ready/ And the 2400 is listed to use the same
cartridges as the R1800 family.  Paul Roark posted that he had
received a shipment of 2400 inks over a week ago, but they may have
been black only.
Perhaps those of us that have 2400's could use the chips that are on
the existing original Epson (and easily spent) cartridges, use MIS
2400 inks, and reset the existing 2400 chips with the chip resetter,
unless they are un-rest-able.

It has been months. We here have 2400's ready to use the MIS 2400
inks,  `Just attempting some communication on this point. It seems not
a small or insignificant point, at least to those on my end. 
Any of this make sense ?

The chips are, apparently, the only missing piece.

Most of the other inks appear to be the same as or can be made from the MIS
Pro inkset, but not the LLK.  

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

> -----Original Message-----
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> jerry78008
> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 10:25 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] 'Possible idea on hoped for availability of MIS 2400
> inks
> 
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> I am wondering if there is anything anyone might suggest on this end
> regarding the hold up on the availability of the inks and cartridges
> for the Epson 2400.
> We have telephoned MIS a number of times, but the response is that MIS
> is only waiting for the chip maker to provide chips for the MIS 2400
> cartridges.
> Apparently the ink is ready/ And the 2400 is listed to use the same
> cartridges as the R1800 family.  Paul Roark posted that he had
> received a shipment of 2400 inks over a week ago, but they may have
> been black only.
> Perhaps those of us that have 2400's could use the chips that are on
> the existing original Epson (and easily spent) cartridges, use MIS
> 2400 inks, and reset the existing 2400 chips with the chip resetter,
> unless they are un-rest-able.
> 
> It has been months. We here have 2400's ready to use the MIS 2400
> inks,  `Just attempting some communication on this point. It seems not
> a small or insignificant point, at least to those on my end.
> Any of this make sense ?
> 
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Hello Jerry,

>Perhaps those of us that have 2400's could use the chips that are 
>on the existing original Epson (and easily spent) cartridges, use 
>MIS 2400 inks, and reset the existing 2400 chips with the chip 
>resetter, unless they are un-rest-able.

This is possible, I've done it.  There is only one potential problem -
the Epson 2400 chips (which ARE resettable), do not fit perfectly in
the MIS carts.  It seems that the hollow space under the chip is not
deep enough for the little lump of plastic on the underside of the
chip.  The result is that it doesn't seat firmly and wobbles around a
bit.  However, the little blob of sticky stuff does prevent it from
falling off and it worked fine when I put it in the printer.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Clayton,

Which MIS carts are you using in the 2400?  I noticed that they now  
have a page up for the bulk MIS 2400 inks, but are not yet selling them.

Carl

On Oct 8, 2005, at 2:55 PM, Clayton Jones wrote:

> Hello Jerry,
>
>
>> Perhaps those of us that have 2400's could use the chips that are
>> on the existing original Epson (and easily spent) cartridges, use
>> MIS 2400 inks, and reset the existing 2400 chips with the chip
>> resetter, unless they are un-rest-able.
>>
>
> This is possible, I've done it.  There is only one potential problem -
> the Epson 2400 chips (which ARE resettable), do not fit perfectly in
> the MIS carts.  It seems that the hollow space under the chip is not
> deep enough for the little lump of plastic on the underside of the
> chip.  The result is that it doesn't seat firmly and wobbles around a
> bit.  However, the little blob of sticky stuff does prevent it from
> falling off and it worked fine when I put it in the printer.
>
> Regards,
> Clayton
>
>
> Info on black and white digital printing at



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Carl,

>Which MIS carts are you using in the 2400?  I noticed that they now  
>have a page up for the bulk MIS 2400 inks, but are not yet selling >them.

I purchased carts for my R200, but my understanding is these are the
same as for R1800, R800, C86, etc., and only the chips are different.

I asked MIS if they'd sell me the carts without a chip (for a lower
price of course) and they don't have any that way.  Apparently they
order them already chipped.

I've wondered if the poor-fit problem is the cause of the delay. 
Perhaps the 2400 chip circuitry requires a bigger bump on the bottom
and the cart's chip well simply isn't deep enough.  If that's the
case, then it will require a redesign of the chip or the cart. 
Someone said that We-Ink also doesn't have a chip yet.  Just
speculation, but there has to be a reason for the delay...


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
<cj@c...> wrote:

> Someone said that We-Ink also doesn't have a chip yet.  Just
> speculation, but there has to be a reason for the delay...


I believe that WeInk ships all their refillable carts without chips, 
not just the 2400 which if I remember correctly uses the same plastic 
as the R1800/800. Ink Republic has a CIS system for the 2400, so the 
chips can't be too much different from what is available.

I am not using any MIS 2400 carts - or MIS 2400 inks for that matter,
that is the problem. `Just waiting. None of the 2400 materials are yet
for sale, to the best of my knowledge, and I check literally several
times a day. But I am hoping for a way to facilitate the opening of
the logjam. The 2400 is getting into the hands of many of my students
and associates and we are at the mercy of the exorbitant factory Epson
materials. 

Jerry

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield
<scho@m...> wrote:

>
> Clayton,
> 
> Which MIS carts are you using in the 2400?  I noticed that they now  
> have a page up for the bulk MIS 2400 inks, but are not yet selling them.
> 
> Carl
> 
> On Oct 8, 2005, at 2:55 PM, Clayton Jones wrote:
> 
> > Hello Jerry,
> >
> >
> >> Perhaps those of us that have 2400's could use the chips that are
> >> on the existing original Epson (and easily spent) cartridges, use
> >> MIS 2400 inks, and reset the existing 2400 chips with the chip
> >> resetter, unless they are un-rest-able.
> >>
> >
> > This is possible, I've done it.  There is only one potential problem -
> > the Epson 2400 chips (which ARE resettable), do not fit perfectly in
> > the MIS carts.  It seems that the hollow space under the chip is not
> > deep enough for the little lump of plastic on the underside of the
> > chip.  The result is that it doesn't seat firmly and wobbles around a
> > bit.  However, the little blob of sticky stuff does prevent it from
> > falling off and it worked fine when I put it in the printer.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Clayton
> >
> >
> > Info on black and white digital printing at
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

It’s probably just too much glop-top on the chip for the MIS carts.  Either
the engineer neglected to put a height limit on the drawing, or the mfg.
made an error.
It would be very surprising to me if Epson decreased the amount of chips per
wafer by making them bigger.  Who knows, we will have to be patient a little
longer.

Best regards,
John Moody

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Clayton
Jones
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 3:47 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: ‘Possible idea on hoped for availability of MIS
2400 inks

Carl,

>Which MIS carts are you using in the 2400?  I noticed that they now
>have a page up for the bulk MIS 2400 inks, but are not yet selling >them.

I purchased carts for my R200, but my understanding is these are the
same as for R1800, R800, C86, etc., and only the chips are different.

I asked MIS if they'd sell me the carts without a chip (for a lower
price of course) and they don't have any that way.  Apparently they
order them already chipped.

I've wondered if the poor-fit problem is the cause of the delay.
Perhaps the 2400 chip circuitry requires a bigger bump on the bottom
and the cart's chip well simply isn't deep enough.  If that's the
case, then it will require a redesign of the chip or the cart.
Someone said that We-Ink also doesn't have a chip yet.  Just
speculation, but there has to be a reason for the delay...


Regards,
Clayton




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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jerry78008" 
<photo29@p...> wrote:
>
> 
> I am not using any MIS 2400 carts - or MIS 2400 inks for that 
matter,
> that is the problem. `Just waiting. None of the 2400 materials are 
yet
> for sale, to the best of my knowledge, and I check literally several
> times a day. But I am hoping for a way to facilitate the opening of
> the logjam. The 2400 is getting into the hands of many of my 
students
> and associates and we are at the mercy of the exorbitant factory 
Epson
> materials. 
> 

WeInk and Ink Republic has been shipping products (including ink) for 
the 2400 for several months. If you students print a large amount, 
the Ink Republic system would be a good deal. If you have many 
students who all own the same printer, then they could buy the ink in 
larger amounts and split it between themselves. It gets pretty cheap 
in the 500ml sizes from WeInk's "no support" site of 
http://www.getinkexpress.com you are looking for the 9800 set. I use 
part of this set in my 9500 and my cx6600 (some of the inks are 
common with the UltrPro ink that I use).