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2005-10-16 by palladiumprinter1
I am looking for a printer to do B/W printing. I need the best of the best as far as quality is concerned and need to make prints at least 16x20 in size. Fortunatley, I have a large job and money is not an issue. Based upon today's state of the art what would be the best combination of machine/ink/quality/rip etc. available. Thanks
2005-10-16 by Greg
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "palladiumprinter1" <palladiumprinter1@y...> wrote: > > I am looking for a printer to do B/W printing. I need the best of the > best as far as quality is concerned and need to make prints at least > 16x20 in size. > > Fortunatley, I have a large job and money is not an issue. > > Based upon today's state of the art what would be the best combination > of machine/ink/quality/rip etc. available. > > Thanks > At least an Epson 76/9600 at highest quality, probably with Studio Print RIP for easy set up. Ink is up to you, everyone that sells an ink set will suggest that theirs is the best, so it kind of depends on your needs. Don't forget the spectrophotometer to use with linearizing the RIP. If you are more adventurous, you could use the Evolution RIP from www.digifab.com, or Quadtone RIP, or Bowhaus RIP. That gives you flexibility in spending from $2000+ down to $50 for a RIP.
2005-10-16 by bradspix
Epson 4800. Have had mine for 3 months. No special inks, no RIP, and no fuss - just great B&W right out of the box. Brad Urban pix: http://www.citysnaps.net --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "palladiumprinter1" <palladiumprinter1@y...> wrote:
> > I am looking for a printer to do B/W printing. I need the best of the > best as far as quality is concerned and need to make prints at least > 16x20 in size. > > Fortunatley, I have a large job and money is not an issue. > > Based upon today's state of the art what would be the best combination > of machine/ink/quality/rip etc. available. > > Thanks >
2005-10-16 by Tom Baker
Money for equipment and supplies is not all there is to this. You NUST have the expertise to turn out top quality prints. If you're new to this you might consider having a top quality house do the printing for you. There are a few really good b&w houses out there. Tom Baker palladiumprinter1 <palladiumprinter1@...> wrote: I am looking for a printer to do B/W printing. I need the best of the best as far as quality is concerned and need to make prints at least 16x20 in size. Fortunatley, I have a large job and money is not an issue. Based upon today's state of the art what would be the best combination of machine/ink/quality/rip etc. available. Thanks Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-10-16 by hogarth@snappydsl.net
palladiumprinter1 wrote: > I am looking for a printer to do B/W printing. I need the best of the > best as far as quality is concerned and need to make prints at least > 16x20 in size. > > Fortunatley, I have a large job and money is not an issue. > > Based upon today's state of the art what would be the best combination > of machine/ink/quality/rip etc. available. > > Thanks All you need are four things really. A printer, an inkset, a RIP of some kind, and a densitometer or spectrophotometer to linearize the printer/ink/substrate you are using. The printer of choice for B&W right now would have to be the 7600/9600 Epson LF printers. This is because the third party inksets work with them, and if you want the best of the best, you aren't going to print with color inks. Personally, I've got a 7600, and I've regretted not having a 9600 a lot. If you've got the money and the space, get the bigger machine. For an inkset, it depends on whether you want a variable tone or a fixed tone inkset. If you have a particular tone you are after and are willing to do the work to nail that tone, then the MIS UT7 inks would work for you. If you want a fixed tone ink that gives you the most stable tone you can get from black to white, then the Cone PiezoTones may be appropriate. If you are using the PiezoTones, you could use the StudioPrint RIP which is excellent. You could use Roy Harrington's quad tone rip (QTR) for either. If you are using StudioPrint, you can use a wide range of densitometers and spectrophotometers. If you are using QTR, I think it only supports the Gretag i1 equipment currently. http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/bw2/index.html http://www.inksupply.com/qn.cfm http://www.ergosoftus.com/studioprint/ http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html http://usa.gretagmacbethstore.com/index.cfm/act/catalog.cfm/CFID/17719396/CFTOKEN/23956558/subcategory/Eye%2DOne%20Solutions/category/Eye%2DOne/browse/null/MenuGroup/Menu%20USA%20New.htm There are of course more competition than just this. Faced with your situation a couple of years ago, I ended up with the following: Epson 7600 Cone PiezoTone inks (I'm still using the older selenium Piezotones. K7 was just released) Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 308gsm paper Breathing Color Brilliance II canvas StudioPrint RIP Eye-One Photo The resulting prints have exquisite shadow detail with light airy highlights and a full range of tones. They are just beautiful. The only thing I miss about darkroom prints is the seriously deep blacks of which they are capable. But in the greater scheme of things, that's not a great loss in my book. -- Bruce Watson
2005-10-17 by Paul Roark
The 4800 could do it, but, frankly, I like larger paper for my 16 x 20 prints. If you want a full 16 x 20 image and want a good size paper border showing -- for signature and aesthetic reasons -- the 17 inch limit of the 4800 is a bit tight. So, if room is not an issue, I'd go for the Epson 7800. Also, inkjet printing allows making larger prints much easier. So, if you shoot medium format or better, do yourself a favor and go for the larger sizes 24" wide paper allows. I'd recommend learning the Epson driver's "Advanced B&W" with Epson paper before experimenting with other approaches and materials. That will give you a standard from which to judge the others. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
> -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > palladiumprinter1 > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 10:46 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Best of the best, what to buy? > > I am looking for a printer to do B/W printing. I need the best of the > best as far as quality is concerned and need to make prints at least > 16x20 in size. > > Fortunatley, I have a large job and money is not an issue. > > Based upon today's state of the art what would be the best combination > of machine/ink/quality/rip etc. available. > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files > section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2005-10-17 by palladiumprinter1
Thanks folks, great responses and a lot of good info. For Paul, I am not familiar with the 7800/9800 so I looked it up on the Epson site. Looks like a fine printer with a lot of great features. I could not find anyone who has them in stock.....any suggestions? Also, I am a commercial photographer with 30+ years of darkroom experience. I have an HP5500UV PostScript LF printer in my studio but it does not do B/W very well. I have tried profiling it but still get metamorism and color cross overs. Printing Black only is ok but not the end I am looking for. Has anyone had any experience withe the new 7800/9800 yet or are there any reviews available? Thanks Mike Johnson
2005-10-17 by John Vitollo
> Has anyone had any experience withe the new 7800/9800 yet or are > there any reviews available? > Mike Johnson The 7800/9800 printers are just starting to trickle into the USA market. There's a long waiting list for them. Here's an account of one of the first owners of a 9800: http://www.largeformatphotography.info/lfforum/topic/503590.html
2005-10-17 by bradspix
Mike, If you want, send me your address off-line, and I'll be glad to send you a small B&W print from my Epson 4800 - it's in the same family as the 7800 and uses the same inks. Paul made an excellent point about having a little more margin with the 7800 as well as having room to grow. As it uses the same inks as the 4800, you'll get equally impressive results - right out of the box. Brad Urban pix: http://www.citysnaps.net --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "palladiumprinter1" <palladiumprinter1@y...> wrote:
> > Thanks folks, great responses and a lot of good info. > > For Paul, > > I am not familiar with the 7800/9800 so I looked it up on the Epson > site. Looks like a fine printer with a lot of great features. I > could not find anyone who has them in stock.....any suggestions? > > Also, I am a commercial photographer with 30+ years of darkroom > experience. I have an HP5500UV PostScript LF printer in my studio > but it does not do B/W very well. I have tried profiling it but > still get metamorism and color cross overs. Printing Black only is > ok but not the end I am looking for. > > Has anyone had any experience withe the new 7800/9800 yet or are > there any reviews available? > > Thanks > > Mike Johnson >
2005-10-17 by Greg
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bradspix" <b- evans@s...> wrote: > > Mike, > > If you want, send me your address off-line, and I'll be glad to send you a small B&W print > from my Epson 4800 - it's in the same family as the 7800 and uses the same inks. > If you want to go with a 3 black set, you could also include the older 75/9500 printers, and run them with a RIP in a small gamut arrangement (and therefore keep a CMYK work flow). The third party "compatible" inks for the 48/78/9800 printers should work if you use the 3 blacks, yellow, and the light cyan and magenta. A good reason to go with the 75/9500 is that they are built like a tank. Parts are cheap, and they are (relatively) easy to service. Downside is the larger droplets (work around is better inks like the ones suggested above), and the lower resolution (1440x720), and the biggest problem for some users is the speed. To get maximum quality, you need to print at the slowest speed, and it is slow! 1440x720 with 4 pass printing for something around 40x30 took more than 45 minutes the last time I printed something that large. About 20 minutes for a 20x30 I did last night on canvas at 1440x720 Bi-directional with Full Over Lap (FOL) powered by the Evolution RIP. Six black inks would make this printer slow but very (very) functional! The 6 ink method is a known variable, so there should be some quality help from at least one member here. The new printers would offer great simplicity, if you can wait until one gets sent to you. I think I remember hearing that the next batch of 78/9800 won't be in until sometime in November (unconfirmed, and I don't remember the source, so treat it as a rumor). There is little disagreement about the quality of the black and white prints from these new machines. If Epson had only made this "jump" years ago... All that said, I would still suggest nothing less than the 76/9600 printers. Newer if you can manage to get one and learn to use it within the time frame you have for the contract you need to fill. Finding a new 76/9600 may be as hard as finding the 78/9800 printers, most of those dried up months ago. And from some research for parts, I can tell you that certain parts for the 76/9600 are expensive, more than twice what you need to spend to replace the same item(s) in the older 75/9500. Not trying to sell you on the older printers, but they do have certain advantages when used with "special" ink sets and when used within their limitations. If you are used to the output of that HP printer, the 75/9500 would be very similar. Other printers to note would be from Mimaki and Mutoh using aqueous pigment inks and 8 or 9 "colors" when driven with the proper RIP.
2005-10-17 by Steve Kale
I agree completely. 17in only leaves you with only a 1in margin for mat overlap, border and signature. (And Epson photo roll paper is only 16in wide for the 4800 because some idiot photographers when asked by Epson said they wanted it that way.) I certainly wouldn't bother with the old 7600 - get the latest technology. If you choose, third party inks can be driven with this printer now (contrary to some other posts). I too would follow Paul's advice re Epson Adv B&W with the new K3 inks. The other thing I would add is that if money is no object you will likely find enormous use over the years for a good spectrophotometer like the EyeOne (profiling your display accurately, B&W ICC profiling your Epson Adv B&W output with QTR Create ICC, linearizing rips etc etc).
> From: Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:29:52 -0700 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Best of the best, what to buy? > > The 4800 could do it, but, frankly, I like larger paper for my 16 x 20 > prints. If you want a full 16 x 20 image and want a good size paper border > showing -- for signature and aesthetic reasons -- the 17 inch limit of the > 4800 is a bit tight. So, if room is not an issue, I'd go for the Epson > 7800. Also, inkjet printing allows making larger prints much easier. So, > if you shoot medium format or better, do yourself a favor and go for the > larger sizes 24" wide paper allows. > > I'd recommend learning the Epson driver's "Advanced B&W" with Epson paper > before experimenting with other approaches and materials. That will give > you a standard from which to judge the others. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com
2005-10-17 by palladiumprinter1
This information has been very helpful. I think that I will place an order for the 9800 and sit tight until it arrives. In the meantime I can utilize the services of a local print shop to take care of the prints needed in the short run. One Question? I see that Epson offers the 7800/9800 in two flavors. The standard and the Pro version. The Pro version has a network card and what they call the "Colorburst RIP". Is the Colorburst RIP anything to write home about? It is worth getting? Or should I consider a third part RIP such as ImagePrint or one of the others? Thanks Michael Johnson
2005-10-17 by Andy Biggs
That was well thought out, Bruce. Well said. I took a slightly different approach, because I don't have the room for a second printer, and I commonly print in color. I have an Epson 4000 with the original Ultrachrome inks, and I am using StudioPrint with the GretagMacbeth Eye One spectro. I have learned a ton in the process, but moving into the CMYK world was a bit of a struggle at first. $.02 Andy
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hogarth@... Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 3:51 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Best of the best, what to buy? palladiumprinter1 wrote: > I am looking for a printer to do B/W printing. I need the best of the > best as far as quality is concerned and need to make prints at least > 16x20 in size. > > Fortunatley, I have a large job and money is not an issue. > > Based upon today's state of the art what would be the best combination > of machine/ink/quality/rip etc. available. > > Thanks All you need are four things really. A printer, an inkset, a RIP of some kind, and a densitometer or spectrophotometer to linearize the printer/ink/substrate you are using. The printer of choice for B&W right now would have to be the 7600/9600 Epson LF printers. This is because the third party inksets work with them, and if you want the best of the best, you aren't going to print with color inks. Personally, I've got a 7600, and I've regretted not having a 9600 a lot. If you've got the money and the space, get the bigger machine. For an inkset, it depends on whether you want a variable tone or a fixed tone inkset. If you have a particular tone you are after and are willing to do the work to nail that tone, then the MIS UT7 inks would work for you. If you want a fixed tone ink that gives you the most stable tone you can get from black to white, then the Cone PiezoTones may be appropriate. If you are using the PiezoTones, you could use the StudioPrint RIP which is excellent. You could use Roy Harrington's quad tone rip (QTR) for either. If you are using StudioPrint, you can use a wide range of densitometers and spectrophotometers. If you are using QTR, I think it only supports the Gretag i1 equipment currently. http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/bw2/index.html http://www.inksupply.com/qn.cfm http://www.ergosoftus.com/studioprint/ http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html http://usa.gretagmacbethstore.com/index.cfm/act/catalog.cfm/CFID/17719396/CF TOKEN/23956558/subcategory/Eye%2DOne%20Solutions/category/Eye%2DOne/browse/n ull/MenuGroup/Menu%20USA%20New.htm There are of course more competition than just this. Faced with your situation a couple of years ago, I ended up with the following: Epson 7600 Cone PiezoTone inks (I'm still using the older selenium Piezotones. K7 was just released) Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 308gsm paper Breathing Color Brilliance II canvas StudioPrint RIP Eye-One Photo The resulting prints have exquisite shadow detail with light airy highlights and a full range of tones. They are just beautiful. The only thing I miss about darkroom prints is the seriously deep blacks of which they are capable. But in the greater scheme of things, that's not a great loss in my book. -- Bruce Watson ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ucIolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. 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2005-10-17 by Elwood Spedden
Last week Lexjet had the 7800 in stock. Try there
Woody Spedden
--- palladiumprinter1 <palladiumprinter1@...>
wrote:
---------------------------------
Thanks folks, great responses and a lot of good info.
For Paul,
I am not familiar with the 7800/9800 so I looked it up
on the Epson
site. Looks like a fine printer with a lot of great
features. I
could not find anyone who has them in stock.....any
suggestions?
Also, I am a commercial photographer with 30+ years of
darkroom
experience. I have an HP5500UV PostScript LF printer
in my studio
but it does not do B/W very well. I have tried
profiling it but
still get metamorism and color cross overs. Printing
Black only is
ok but not the end I am looking for.
Has anyone had any experience withe the new 7800/9800
yet or are
there any reviews available?
Thanks
Mike Johnson
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---------------------------------2005-10-17 by Greg
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "palladiumprinter1" <palladiumprinter1@y...> wrote: > > I see that Epson offers the 7800/9800 in two flavors. The standard and > the Pro version. The Pro version has a network card and what they call > the "Colorburst RIP". > > Is the Colorburst RIP anything to write home about? It is worth > getting? Or should I consider a third part RIP such as ImagePrint or > one of the others? > Buy something else. The bundled RIP can not add profiles for different papers (no Epson papers). I'm sure it works well, but not would I would suggest. Get something that will drive both printers (unless you sell the HP), or just try the regular driver with the new printer, and try a few demos while you get used to the new printer.
2005-10-17 by Paul Roark
Steve wrote: > ... If you choose, third party inks can be driven > with this printer now (contrary to some other posts). I too would follow > Paul's advice re Epson Adv B&W with the new K3 inks. I'll be loading MIS 2400 inks into my 2400 today. I'm setting us a fade test to see if I can determine whether the MIS UT advantage is due to the pigments being more lightfast than Epson's or due to a blended B&W ink being tougher, perhaps because the carbon protects the color pigments in a blend. > ... a good spectrophotometer I use my X-Rite all the time. > like the EyeOne Is there a good comparison of accuracy of the competitors? In the past someone with a 1I had mentioned inconsistency of dark patch readings. I'm wondering if fast strip reading is difficult with the more affordable units. (profiling your display accurately, B&W ICC >profiling your Epson Adv > B&W output with QTR Create ICC, linearizing rips etc etc). > Greg wrote: > ... good > reason to go with the 75/9500 is that they are built like a tank... My trusty old 7500 saved my tail recently when the 7600 crashed. > All that said, I would still suggest nothing less than the 76/9600 > printers. Newer if you can manage to get one and learn to use it > within the time frame you have for the contract you need to fill. > Finding a new 76/9600 may be as hard as finding the 78/9800 printers, > most of those dried up months ago... Hey, I have a clogged 7600 that I'll sell real cheap! Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2005-10-17 by Paul Roark
Bruce Watson wrote: > ... > The printer of choice for B&W right now would have to be the 7600/9600 > Epson LF printers. This is because the third party inksets work with > them, and if you want the best of the best, you aren't going to print > with color inks. Personally, I've got a 7600, and I've regretted not > having a 9600 a lot. If you've got the money and the space, get the > bigger machine. > > For an inkset, it depends on whether you want a variable tone or a fixed > tone inkset. If you have a particular tone you are after and are willing > to do the work to nail that tone, then the MIS UT7 inks would work for > you. If you want a fixed tone ink that gives you the most stable tone > you can get from black to white, then the Cone PiezoTones may be > appropriate. I think the 7800/9800 with the third party inks will even be better than the 7600/9600. But, they're not ready to go yet. From my perspective, the k3 system will give me control of the Lab a axis, which now is a compromise and subject to ink batch fluctuations. The fade tests will have a major impact on the inkset design I pursue. Longevity is a critical element of B&W, in my view. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2005-10-18 by Greg
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > > ... a good spectrophotometer > > I use my X-Rite all the time. > > > like the EyeOne > > Is there a good comparison of accuracy of the competitors? In the past > someone with a 1I had mentioned inconsistency of dark patch readings. I'm > wondering if fast strip reading is difficult with the more affordable units. That was me, and only with repeat reads of the same patch. It has so far worked very well when scanning a row of patches. My old DTP22 does the same on repeat reads of the same patch without reading any other patch in between. There is a spec. listed for most spectrophotometers about this same patch multi read error, which is the exact reason why I tried it. The DTP22 is far more consistant with this test!!! > > Greg wrote: > > > ... good > > reason to go with the 75/9500 is that they are built like a tank... > > My trusty old 7500 saved my tail recently when the 7600 crashed. There are worse things than having an old 75/9500 waiting in the wings to save you from Deadline Disaster. If only they had put in 1 more head assembly for 9 colors.... If you have the extra money, and can find a good 75/9500 pick it up and care for it, it might just save you some serious grief. > > > > All that said, I would still suggest nothing less than the 76/9600 > > printers. Newer if you can manage to get one and learn to use it > > within the time frame you have for the contract you need to fill. > > Finding a new 76/9600 may be as hard as finding the 78/9800 printers, > > most of those dried up months ago... > > Hey, I have a clogged 7600 that I'll sell real cheap! If I had the room, I might ask how cheap is cheap, but I can't at the moment. And the shipping would probably kill it.