Digital BW, The Print

I've been printing b&w with the epson 1280, NMC CIS and MIS dye 
inks.  The neutralality has been looking fantastic on LPM without 
special profiles.  What I'm seeing, however, is slight magenta 
overspray on one side of the print, perpendicular to the head 
movement.  Head cleaning doesn't seem to help, nozzle checks look 
fine, but when I make a print, a slight line of magenta is visible on 
one edge of the print, the other 3 edges are clean and neat.
I called epson about it, and they are sending out another 1280, somI 
will replace the cart holders and transfer the CIS.
My question is have others had a problem with overspray on the 1280.
The prints themselves look great, nothing is out of register or 
allignment.
Last night I put some windex on the parking pad sponges and let it 
sit overnight hoping that might solve the problem, but no such luck.
I don't recall seeing this problem when using oem carts.
Could the CIS be causing this to happen, I hope not because I love 
the MIS Dyes and the CIS works beautifully.
I seem to recall someone saying that the 1280's often "oversprayed"
Is this true or am I imagining it.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
TIA.
David

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "daschkenas" 
<daschkenas@a...> wrote:
> I've been printing b&w with the epson 1280, NMC CIS and MIS dye 
> inks.  The neutralality has been looking fantastic on LPM without 
> special profiles.  What I'm seeing, however, is slight magenta 
> overspray on one side of the print, perpendicular to the head 
> movement.  Head cleaning doesn't seem to help, nozzle checks look 
> fine, but when I make a print, a slight line of magenta is visible 
on 
> one edge of the print, the other 3 edges are clean and neat.
> I called epson about it, and they are sending out another 1280, 
somI 
> will replace the cart holders and transfer the CIS.
> My question is have others had a problem with overspray on the 1280.
> The prints themselves look great, nothing is out of register or 
> allignment.
> Last night I put some windex on the parking pad sponges and let it 
> sit overnight hoping that might solve the problem, but no such luck.
> I don't recall seeing this problem when using oem carts.
> Could the CIS be causing this to happen, I hope not because I love 
> the MIS Dyes and the CIS works beautifully.
> I seem to recall someone saying that the 1280's often "oversprayed"
> Is this true or am I imagining it.
> Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> TIA.
> David

David,

I don't have any answers for you but I do have a couple of questions 
if you don't mind.

Does epson know you were using CIS and other inks other than epson 
and then still honored their warranty? Did you run the unit with the 
Epson provided carts first before installing CIS and if so were you 
having the overspray issue then too? Just curious in case I face 
similar issues with my new 1280.

Tim T.
btw..apologies to all regarding the "handle" dogdrum7 that 
accompanies my posts. When I first signed on I didn't realize that 
typing one of my email addresses would cause it to become the default 
identifier. I have since tried to edit my profile and change it to my 
actual name but it won't let me for some reason. Also because there 
is another Tim here who preceded me I have added my last initial to 
my signiature to avoid any confusion.

Don't worry about your name, doggy... You ask intelligent questions 
for a mutt...

Tom O'Connell


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "dogdrum7" <zenphoto7@a...> 
wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "daschkenas" 
> <daschkenas@a...> wrote:
> > I've been printing b&w with the epson 1280, NMC CIS and MIS dye 
> > inks.  The neutralality has been looking fantastic on LPM without 
> > special profiles.  What I'm seeing, however, is slight magenta 
> > overspray on one side of the print, perpendicular to the head 
> > movement.  Head cleaning doesn't seem to help, nozzle checks look 
> > fine, but when I make a print, a slight line of magenta is 
visible 
> on 
> > one edge of the print, the other 3 edges are clean and neat.
> > I called epson about it, and they are sending out another 1280, 
> somI 
> > will replace the cart holders and transfer the CIS.
> > My question is have others had a problem with overspray on the 
1280.
> > The prints themselves look great, nothing is out of register or 
> > allignment.
> > Last night I put some windex on the parking pad sponges and let 
it 
> > sit overnight hoping that might solve the problem, but no such 
luck.
> > I don't recall seeing this problem when using oem carts.
> > Could the CIS be causing this to happen, I hope not because I 
love 
> > the MIS Dyes and the CIS works beautifully.
> > I seem to recall someone saying that the 1280's 
often "oversprayed"
> > Is this true or am I imagining it.
> > Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> > TIA.
> > David
> 
> David,
> 
> I don't have any answers for you but I do have a couple of 
questions 
> if you don't mind.
> 
> Does epson know you were using CIS and other inks other than epson 
> and then still honored their warranty? Did you run the unit with 
the 
> Epson provided carts first before installing CIS and if so were you 
> having the overspray issue then too? Just curious in case I face 
> similar issues with my new 1280.
> 
> Tim T.
> btw..apologies to all regarding the "handle" dogdrum7 that 
> accompanies my posts. When I first signed on I didn't realize that 
> typing one of my email addresses would cause it to become the 
default 
> identifier. I have since tried to edit my profile and change it to 
my 

> actual name but it won't let me for some reason. Also because there 
> is another Tim here who preceded me I have added my last initial to 
> my signiature to avoid any confusion.

David, 
 I had the exact same problem on my 1270, MIS pigs, &
NMC CIS.  However, the overspray on mine was more with
the cyan than magenta.  
 I took out the CIS cart and pushed it back in firmly
then set the paper thickness lever(+/0) to 0.  That
fixed it for me.  Although if I put the lever back to
the + setting, the overspray continues, though less
severe than before.  I just print at the 0 setting. 
It's not a problem with thicker paper.
 I would try this and see if it works for you.  Also,
did you try putting back in an Epson OEM cart and
running a test print with that?  
 When I was trying to figure out the problem, I posted
what my prints looked like here:
http://www.tronicart.com/inks/spray.html
...if you want something to compare to.
 Let me know if this works for you or if you find some
other solution.
 Good luck..
  -Daniel Perez


--- daschkenas <daschkenas@...> wrote:
> I've been printing b&w with the epson 1280, NMC CIS
> and MIS dye 
> inks.  The neutralality has been looking fantastic
> on LPM without 
> special profiles.  What I'm seeing, however, is
> slight magenta 
> overspray on one side of the print, perpendicular to
> the head 
> movement.  Head cleaning doesn't seem to help,
> nozzle checks look 
> fine, but when I make a print, a slight line of
> magenta is visible on 
> one edge of the print, the other 3 edges are clean
> and neat.
> I called epson about it, and they are sending out
> another 1280, somI 
> will replace the cart holders and transfer the CIS.
> My question is have others had a problem with
> overspray on the 1280.
> The prints themselves look great, nothing is out of
> register or 
> allignment.
> Last night I put some windex on the parking pad
> sponges and let it 
> sit overnight hoping that might solve the problem,
> but no such luck.
> I don't recall seeing this problem when using oem
> carts.
> Could the CIS be causing this to happen, I hope not
> because I love 
> the MIS Dyes and the CIS works beautifully.
> I seem to recall someone saying that the 1280's
> often "oversprayed"
> Is this true or am I imagining it.
> Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> TIA.
> David
> 
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "tomoc" <tomoc@y...> wrote:
> Don't worry about your name, doggy... You ask intelligent questions 
> for a mutt...
> 
> Tom O'Connell
> 
> 


Woof ! 

 :  )


Tim T.

Daniel, thanks for the advice, I looked at your posted problem, mine isn't nearly as wide of a spray, but its still noticeable.
Just tried what you said, pulled the carts and reseated them, switched tyhe paper to  0.
Wow, it lookd like 90% of the problem is fixed.
I'm going to try a few more cleaning cycles to see if it clears it up completely.
Are you getting neutral b&w with the MIS pigs.
I had CDTobie make profikes for me, but I still couldn't come close to the look of the dyes, no posterization, extremely rich blacks, smooth tonal gradations.
How are your b&w prints looking?
Thanks again for the cure.
David

David,  glad to hear it's getting better.  Be sure to
push the CIS cart back in *firmly*. "with as much
force as it takes to lift the printer from one corner"
as stated by NMC support. You might also want to let
it sit afterwards for a while incase any air got in.

I haven't tried printing b&w with the MIS pigs.  I
have a dedicated 1280 w/ MIS VM inks (and Paul's
curves) for b&w printing.  Which, by the way, makes
great prints. 

I'm also going to have Tobie create a profile for the
MIS pigs but I'm still trying to pick a paper  ..not
getting great results w/ Museo.  I've got a post
comming up about that soon.

  -Daniel


--- daschkenas@... wrote:
> Daniel, thanks for the advice, I looked at your
> posted problem, mine isn't nearly as wide of a
> spray, but its still noticeable.
> Just tried what you said, pulled the carts and
> reseated them, switched tyhe paper to  0.
> Wow, it lookd like 90% of the problem is fixed.
> I'm going to try a few more cleaning cycles to see
> if it clears it up completely.
> Are you getting neutral b&w with the MIS pigs.
> I had CDTobie make profikes for me, but I still
> couldn't come close to the look of the dyes, no
> posterization, extremely rich blacks, smooth tonal
> gradations.
> How are your b&w prints looking?
> Thanks again for the cure.
> David
> 
> 

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Daniel, it appears that the magenta overspray is history.
Thanks a million.
David