Yeah, they are different inks. But the only 'work' needed is a new dotgain
adjustment in softproof - the same as for any new paper/ink combo. And yes,
tech support is excellent at IJM - I've not needed it at MIS. What is
exciting for me now is the variety of top quality products available for BW
printing. I'm looking at setting up a scanning/printing service with a
friend and at one point the only option for large format printers was
piezo - now with the Image4 rip and various inks you really do have
alternatives. I still think that the price of IJM inks are way ott and have
more to do with IJM's supply chain than anything in the inks. I'm looking
forward to Piezo2 though!
Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steadman Uhlich" <steadmanuhlich@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] inks
> Hola Julian,
>
> Yes...we disagree on a few things. (grin)
>
> I personally don't care what kind of inks anyone purchases.
>
> But...if I were responsible for tech support on the PiezoBW system....I
would.
>
> While the FS inks may deliver "close" or "identical" in your opinion, they
are "different" inks. And, related to the "identical" outcome....I seem to
recall that you and others do have to make some adjustments to your image
files to get that "close." In other words, more work (though it may be
minor for someone with your skills).
>
> If someone wants to experiment or try less expensive inks...go for it.
But...I don't think that also means they have the right to complain to Piezo
if they are not using Piezo inks. I don't think anything about PiezoBW says
anything about "buy our software and use anybody's inks." It is not an
"open system" but instead is a very well defined proprietary
solution....that happens to be an alternative to Epson.
>
> Microsoft? I don't agree with your analogy.
>
> I think if I were in a position to start a small company that aimed to
provide the very best highest quality quadtones...and software that is
sophisticated and simple for users...(like Piezo)...I would have to limit my
tech support to users who "bought the system" and were using inks I know
work. That is what I would do....and I bet so would most others if they
were in the same situation. I for one have always been impressed by the
level of support offered for free by Piezo tech support. Very impressed.
>
> Anyway...it is good that there are alternatives out there. I think
alternatives are great.
>
> By the way....I truly hope that Paul Roark can come up with a good Sepia
solution as I will be one of the first to buy into it....well....maybe not
the very first. (wink)
>
> Sincerely,
> Steadman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julian Thomas
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] inks
>
>
> I know we disagree on this Steadman ;-0 But i agree about the piezo
> software - it is very good and worth the initial buy, but after that?
The
> inks are not worth the money - now. At one time they were unique, but
not
> now. Having piezo and FS on two printers the quality is identical.
> Interestingly enough a couple of weeks ago someone came to buy prints
and he
> ended up buying two. I gave him the choice of different 'versions' of
the
> same image i.e. piezo was one and FS the other - he chose the FS prints
both
> times. I have only one image that looks 'worse' with FS. I guess Piezo2
is
> going to kick the ball game further forward so I look forward to that -
but
> I don't like the Microsoft-like marketing strategy of Piezo - you have
to
> buy software and inks - like their bundling god-knows what into their Os
> (email IE etc). There are alternatives!
>
> Julian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steadman Uhlich" <steadmanuhlich@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] inks
>
>
> > Dave,
> >
> > When you buy into Piezo, you don't just buy ink...the money you spend
is
> not just inks. The money you spend on Piezo also buys you the Piezo
> software and about 30 paper profiles for the ink. That alone is worth
the
> money in my opinion.
> >
> > Steadman
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: taylynapowers
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:26 AM
> > Subject: [Digital BW] inks
> >
> >
> > I am looking for some information on inks. I will be setting up an
> > epson 980 for black and white printing.
> > I have looked at piezography for inks and WOW, what a price.
> > Are there anyother inks that will do the same job, fine art, for a
> > lower price?
> > I want to get away from the cartridge.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > dave
> >
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