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2006-03-31 by Tyler Boley
Setting up for some K3 gloss here. I have no affinity for these papers at all. Those of you who do, can you give me some recomendations? I'm hearing Kodak and Ilford are well liked. Premium Luster seems do dominate for "not quite gloss", and then there are the SilverRag and new competitors. For now, just need a gloss option for people as well. Thanks, Tyler www.custom-digital.com
2006-03-31 by Tom Baker
The Silver Rag should be called Gold Rag. It's pretty expensive. If this needs to be a paying proposition for the general consumer, Premium Luster might be a good choice. It's not too pricey, and the general consumer type seems to really like it.
Tom Baker
Tyler Boley <tyler@tylerboley.com> wrote:
Setting up for some K3 gloss here. I have no affinity for these papers
at all. Those of you who do, can you give me some recomendations?
I'm hearing Kodak and Ilford are well liked.
Premium Luster seems do dominate for "not quite gloss", and then there
are the SilverRag and new competitors.
For now, just need a gloss option for people as well.
Thanks,
Tyler
www.custom-digital.com
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2006-03-31 by Greg
InkjetArt Micro Ceramic Luster and Gloss are said to be the exact same paper as Epson Premium Luster and Premium Gloss (250 versions), but much less money. Other than seeing it with profile targets printed on it, I have no real desire to use it or look at it. It looks kind of like luster or gloss paper to me. Most of what I've seen have also been from R800/1800 with GLOP, so I don't really know what it would look like with the K3. The GLOP is definitely more glossy than the no GLOP areas. I've been thinking of at least looking at the Vibrance from Breathing Color, but that's as far as I've gone.
2006-03-31 by CDTobie@aol.com
In a message dated 3/31/06 12:39:24 PM, tyler@... writes: > Setting up for some K3 gloss here. I have no affinity for these papers > at all. Those of you who do, can you give me some recomendations? > I'm hearing Kodak and Ilford are well liked. > Premium Luster seems do dominate for "not quite gloss", and then there > are the SilverRag and new competitors. > For now, just need a gloss option for people as well. > SilverRag is rather a different category. For the Luster look, Moab Kokopelli Satin suits my needs, but I don't tend to think of gloss/luster prints in the same way I think of Fine Art prints... C. David Tobie Product Technology Manager ColorVision Business Unit Datacolor Inc. CDTobie@... www.colorvision.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-03-31 by John Vitollo
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <dfaprinting@...> wrote: > > InkjetArt Micro Ceramic Luster and Gloss are said to be the exact same > paper as Epson Premium Luster and Premium Gloss (250 versions), but > much less money. I've used both...the Micro Ceramic Luster and Epson's Luster 250. They have the same surface texture but the Micro is considerably brighter. ILford Smooth Pearl has a slightly finer pebbly surface than Epson's Luster. Pearl is also stiffer and thicker but has a blue/cyan surface bias. Lab readings: LAB for Luster L=95.93 a=0.69 b=-1.10 LAB for Ilford L=95.39 a=0.66 b= -2.33 I seem to always go back Epson's Luster...with InkjetArt's Micro Ceramic Luster close behind. Semi-Matte appears less "glossy" than Luster...has less of a sheen. Not a bad paper in my book. Wish all could be as thick as ILford's paper...
2006-03-31 by Paul Roark
Tyler, If any of the prints are intended to be archival, most glossy papers are acidic. The Epson Premium line and the new Crane Silver Rag (and similar Permajet [Innova?] versions) are exceptions I'm aware of. For proofing, Kirkland is the cheapest by far, and it may even be non-acidic. I think the finer grain finish of Epson Premium Semimatte is more pleasing than Luster, and it's rather cheap in rolls. You may find bronzing is still a problem with many papers. Spraying is one answer, but most don't want to bother. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
> -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyler > Boley > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 9:36 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Glossy paper preferences? > > Setting up for some K3 gloss here. I have no affinity for these papers > at all. Those of you who do, can you give me some recomendations? > I'm hearing Kodak and Ilford are well liked. > Premium Luster seems do dominate for "not quite gloss", and then there > are the SilverRag and new competitors. > For now, just need a gloss option for people as well. > Thanks, > Tyler > www.custom-digital.com > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files > section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2006-03-31 by Olivier
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote: > > Tyler, > > If any of the prints are intended to be archival, most glossy papers are > acidic. The Epson Premium line and the new Crane Silver Rag (and similar > Permajet [Innova?] versions) are exceptions I'm aware of. For proofing, > Kirkland is the cheapest by far, and it may even be non-acidic. I think the > finer grain finish of Epson Premium Semimatte is more pleasing than Luster, > and it's rather cheap in rolls. You may find bronzing is still a problem > with many papers. Spraying is one answer, but most don't want to bother. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > Have seen mentions of DCP varnish for mat and Premierart for glossy. For DCP : gloss/satin or mat version ? Any other options ? Thanks. Olivier
2006-03-31 by Tyler Boley
guys, I realize it sucks... But if someone comes in and insists on a glossy print, I can either lecture them or make a kick-ass glossy print on the best available material. I suspect the later will make them happier, and I just want everyone to be happier! So... no recomendations? Tyler
2006-03-31 by Bill Morse
Hi Tyler- I think Paul and some others recommended the Premium SemiMatte. Another route for Some images is glossy canvas- while I never (EVER!) use it for art reproductuions, it can be interesting for some photos- where it cuts across the grain, so-to-speak. Bill On 3/31/06, Tyler Boley <tyler@...> wrote: > > guys, I realize it sucks... > > But if someone comes in and insists on a glossy print, I can either > lecture them or make a kick-ass glossy print on the best available > material. I suspect the later will make them happier, and I just want > everyone to be happier! > > So... no recomendations? > Tyler > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY > TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Regards, Bill Morse Wm. Morse Editions (617) 429-3298 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-03-31 by rgoldman2
Tyler, I second the motion regarding the beauty of K3 on Epson Premium Semi Matte. It is more of a satin finish than high gloss. I've been printing on it through ABW since buying my 4800 in July. I've had portfolio reviews from galleries and fine art printers who have had to ask me whether I was showing them darkroom or digital prints. I've sold a few prints in the past few months. In trying to match exhibition prints that earlier were on Agfa Classic fiber I generally come very close or, sometimes, exceed the darkroom print (probably more of a Photoshop advantage). The professional lab where I get my color printing (darkroom) done did a real double take when I showed them monochrome prints on this paper. Of course the tactile feel of the paper is different, but it is quite nice. In a mat or behind glass it looks very nice.This paper is not the end of history, I'm certain. But it is very nice. I'm waiting for a box of Silver Rag to see if I can get even closer to what I want. If you end up using EPSM, see my earlier post #69902 for suggested ABW settings. Cheers Richard
2006-03-31 by Helen Bach
I like glossy papers, just as I liked glazed (ferrotyped in US English) fibre-based papers. Definition, detail and depth. My suggestions for K3 inks: Inkjetart Microceramic Plus (=Premier Photo High Gloss Heavy) Red River Polar Glossy Epson Premium Glossy Innova Fibaprint Glossy (also sold as Da Vinci) for a slightly textured surface Pictorico White Film for a Cibachrome sort of look The Innova paper is usually assumed to be silver gelatin fibre-based paper by people who haven't been told what it is. This is a bit of an insult, as I'm getting a D-max of 2.65 with it. Best, Helen --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote:
> > Setting up for some K3 gloss here. I have no affinity for these papers > at all. Those of you who do, can you give me some recomendations? > I'm hearing Kodak and Ilford are well liked. > Premium Luster seems do dominate for "not quite gloss", and then there > are the SilverRag and new competitors. > For now, just need a gloss option for people as well. > Thanks, > Tyler > www.custom-digital.com >
2006-03-31 by Tom Baker
Color = Premium Luster
B&W = Premium Semi-matte
Tom Baker
Tyler Boley <tyler@...> wrote:
guys, I realize it sucks...
But if someone comes in and insists on a glossy print, I can either
lecture them or make a kick-ass glossy print on the best available
material. I suspect the later will make them happier, and I just want
everyone to be happier!
So... no recomendations?
Tyler
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2006-03-31 by Tyler Boley
well friends, this has all ben quite surreal. Mostly I have again discovered how misleading my writing can be... One more time- all the papers you have all mentioned are no doubt good, and I'll no doubt take a look at them. We are already setting up Premier Luster and Silver Rag, and collecting samples of others. However, none of them are glossy. I need a glossy paper alternative when requested. Glossy, not kinda glossy, glossy. So, as I mentioned, a Kodak and an Ilford have been touted in the past. If any one has any comments about them or other recommendations, I'll apreciate it. This group over all others is picky about paper, I wouldn't bother asking elsewhere. Thanks again, hang in there... Tyler
2006-03-31 by Steve Kale
Neither of which are "glossy" - Tyler himself termed the former "almost glossy".
> From: Tom Baker <tbaker1328@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:00:13 -0800 (PST) > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Glossy paper preferences? > > Color = Premium Luster > > B&W = Premium Semi-matte > > Tom Baker > > > Tyler Boley <tyler@...> wrote: > guys, I realize it sucks... > > But if someone comes in and insists on a glossy print, I can either > lecture them or make a kick-ass glossy print on the best available > material. I suspect the later will make them happier, and I just want > everyone to be happier! > > So... no recomendations? > Tyler
2006-03-31 by Helen Bach
Tyler, Don't you consider any of the papers I mentioned to be 'glossy'. Ms Puzzled of New York --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote:
> > well friends, this has all ben quite surreal. Mostly I have again > discovered how misleading my writing can be... > One more time- all the papers you have all mentioned are no doubt > good, and I'll no doubt take a look at them. We are already setting up > Premier Luster and Silver Rag, and collecting samples of others. > However, none of them are glossy. I need a glossy paper alternative > when requested. Glossy, not kinda glossy, glossy. > > So, as I mentioned, a Kodak and an Ilford have been touted in the > past. If any one has any comments about them or other recommendations, > I'll apreciate it. > This group over all others is picky about paper, I wouldn't bother > asking elsewhere. > Thanks again, hang in there... > Tyler >
2006-03-31 by Tyler Boley
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale <stevekale@...> wrote: > > Neither of which are "glossy" - Tyler himself termed the former "almost > glossy". There you go, perfect example. Always try to stay away from saying anything specific. I learned that from my president. Could have been "is amost glossy", but then we'd have to go back one administration for "is" and I fear the entire discussion will go sideways.. Tyler
2006-03-31 by Tyler Boley
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Helen Bach" <helenbach@...> wrote: > > Tyler, > > Don't you consider any of the papers I mentioned to be 'glossy'. > > > Ms Puzzled of New York Some of them, yes I do, and Mz Puzzled of NY is today's big winner! Thanks Helen, I'll check them out. Need large rolls as well, another prerequisit... Tyler
2006-04-01 by elwood@wsnconsult.com
Tyler I have been doing some experiments with the Kodak Pro Glossy and the first results are (subjectively) good. My approach is to see if I like the overall look and feel of images before getting scientific and comparing DMax, building special profiles etc. This has saved me loads of time in the past when I found papers had characteristics I just did not like and I spent no more time evaluating. Well I like the overall presentation of Kodak Pro Glossy so I will now embark on measuring and profiling to get the best results I can. I will share my findings Best Woody Spedden
----- Original Message ----
From: Tyler Boley <tyler@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:28:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Glossy paper preferences?
So, as I mentioned, a Kodak and an Ilford have been touted in the
past. If any one has any comments about them or other recommendations,
I'll apreciate it.
This group over all others is picky about paper, I wouldn't bother
asking elsewhere.
Thanks again, hang in there...
Tyler
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2006-04-01 by sinar001
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote: > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale > <stevekale@> wrote: > > > > Neither of which are "glossy" - Tyler himself termed the former "almost > > glossy". > > There you go, perfect example. Always try to stay away from saying > anything specific. I learned that from my president. > Could have been "is amost glossy", but then we'd have to go back one > administration for "is" and I fear the entire discussion will go > sideways.. > Tyler > Try Hawk Mountain Sharpwing Glossy, 10 ml. John Nollendorfs
2006-04-01 by sinar001
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sinar001" <jnolly@...> wrote: Another is Pictorico. Photo gloss, & glossy film.
> > John Nollendorfs >
2006-04-01 by Ken Hagler
on 3/31/2006 9:36 AM, Tyler Boley wrote:
> Setting up for some K3 gloss here. I have no affinity for these papers
> at all. Those of you who do, can you give me some recomendations?
I've recently started doing some experiments with Pictorico's Photo Gallery
Hi-Gloss White Film, which, as the name implies, is actually a thin sheet of
plastic rather than paper. It's _very_ glossy (as in mirror-like), and
produces good results. I've shown samples to various people who all
preferred it to the various matte papers I personally like.
It does have a couple of downsides. The first is that it's very
expensive--around $2/sheet for letter size. The other is that there's some
gloss differential even with Ultrachrome K3 on one of the photos I've tried.
Turning on the white point shift option in the Advanced B&W settings has
mostly gotten rid of it (enough so you have to look really closely and know
where to look to see any).
--
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??? About as eloquent and clear as any US president of recent times....
> From: Tyler Boley <tyler@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:52:04 -0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Glossy paper preferences? > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale > <stevekale@...> wrote: >> >> Neither of which are "glossy" - Tyler himself termed the former "almost >> glossy". > > There you go, perfect example. Always try to stay away from saying > anything specific. I learned that from my president. > Could have been "is amost glossy", but then we'd have to go back one > administration for "is" and I fear the entire discussion will go > sideways.. > Tyler >
2006-04-01 by Ernst Dinkla
Fuji Hunt Photo Paper Glossy 240. A friend uses it on the 4000
and it looks really good. That's what he sells his customers
as gloss.
http://server.fujihuntusa.localweb.com/store/c-8-professional-media.aspx
There has been a discussion before in this list how gloss
could be measured :-)
Ernst
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( unvollendet )2006-04-01 by Helen Bach
There's an article on that in the latest JIST. I'll re-read it when I get the chance and report back. I remember thinking that I should try the Kodak Pro material. Best, Helen --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla <E.Dinkla@...> wrote: ... > There has been a discussion before in this list how gloss > could be measured :-) > > Ernst ...
2006-04-01 by Tyler Boley
I ran a quick test of some of the Ilford I had laying around, looks pretty good. I have others on the way to ponder as well. interestingly, it seems to be getting down to size availablilty. Thanks all for your recommendations, Tyler probably totally uncool list etiquette, but I'm kind of excited, looky here- http://inkjetmall.com/store/ws/maximizing-personal.html
2006-04-01 by Douglas Meeuwsen
Hmmmm.... no mention yet of epson ultra-premium glossy. It is better than premium glossy, which is good. The tonality is slightly diferent than premium glossy, as is the whiteness. The diference is not just thickness, which I think someone implied a while back. To me, there is a huge diference in the image also. I have only seen it in letter size and smaller so far though. I would give it a try. The premium glossy media choice in ABW makes works great. No profile required to see if you like the paper....Doug M [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-04-01 by Douglas Meeuwsen
Hmmmm.... no mention yet of epson ultra-premium glossy. It is better than premium glossy, which is good. The tonality is slightly diferent than premium glossy, as is the whiteness. The diference is not just thickness, which I think someone implied a while back. To me, there is a huge diference in the image also. I have only seen it in letter size and smaller so far though. I would give it a try. The premium glossy media choice in ABW makes works great. No profile required to see if you like the paper....Doug M [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-04-01 by Douglas Meeuwsen
Hmmmm.... no mention yet of epson ultra-premium glossy. It is better than premium glossy, which is good. The tonality is slightly diferent than premium glossy, as is the whiteness. The diference is not just thickness, which I think someone implied a while back. To me, there is a huge diference in the image also. I have only seen it in letter size and smaller so far though. I would give it a try. The premium glossy media choice in ABW makes works great. No profile required to see if you like the paper....Doug M [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-04-01 by Eric Neilsen Photo 2
I have been using a blend at 50/50 on Innova Smooth Cotton. I also ran some test on HPR 308, Red River Polar Matte and Natural. I liked what I got on all of them, but would need to alter the sprayer to print distance to get the look I would want for each paper. Eric
> > Have seen mentions of DCP varnish for mat and Premierart for > glossy. > For DCP : gloss/satin or mat version ? Any other options ? > Thanks. > > Olivier > > > > > >
2006-04-01 by Eric Neilsen Photo 2
Tyler, I was helping a friend the other with some color management issues and he introduced me to Orientals high gloss paper. The print looked good for that type of print. It is however very fragile. We did not find a profile for it, but it printed well with Bill's profiles for Epson printers. Eric
> -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Tyler Boley > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 11:36 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Glossy paper preferences? > > Setting up for some K3 gloss here. I have no affinity for these > papers > at all. Those of you who do, can you give me some > recomendations? > I'm hearing Kodak and Ilford are well liked. > Premium Luster seems do dominate for "not quite gloss", and > then there > are the SilverRag and new competitors. > For now, just need a gloss option for people as well. > Thanks, > Tyler > www.custom-digital.com > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be > removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of > digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic > posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group > rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions > of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and > Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/file > s/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT > THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, > INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, > INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP > HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2006-04-01 by john dean
Why would that be uncool. As if no one around here promotes their materials and ideas ;-). Actually this may be one of the best workshops available anywhere for controling digital mono output. I wish I could go up there and do it myself. It would be a beautuful time of the year go to Vermont. Diallo said he is doing one too. Sounds like you guys are going to have a good time. I'm jealous. Good luck, John > probably totally uncool list etiquette, but I'm kind of excited, looky here- > http://inkjetmall.com/store/ws/maximizing-personal.html >
2006-04-01 by Tyler Boley
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale <stevekale@...> wrote: > > ??? About as eloquent and clear as any US president of recent times.... > oh man, don't go there. Even a Mac/PC war would be more advisable... I'll atribute this to being a youngin' and not from 'round these here parts.. Tyler
2006-04-01 by Tyler Boley
I recall some time ago this paper was highly anticipated, then there was just nothing more heard about it. It even comes in large rolls, but I see is expensive. Anyone else try this stuff? T --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen Photo 2" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote: > > Tyler, I was helping a friend the other with some color management issues > and he introduced me to Orientals high gloss paper. The print looked good > for that type of print. It is however very fragile. > > We did not find a profile for it, but it printed well with Bill's profiles
> for Epson printers. > > Eric > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > > Of Tyler Boley > > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 11:36 AM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Digital BW] Glossy paper preferences? > > > > Setting up for some K3 gloss here. I have no affinity for these > > papers > > at all. Those of you who do, can you give me some > > recomendations? > > I'm hearing Kodak and Ilford are well liked. > > Premium Luster seems do dominate for "not quite gloss", and > > then there > > are the SilverRag and new competitors. > > For now, just need a gloss option for people as well. > > Thanks, > > Tyler > > www.custom-digital.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > > resources as they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > > visiting this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > > messages to keep them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be > > removed from the membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of > > digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic > > posts may be removed from the membership. > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group > > rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions > > of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and > > Guidelines" in the Files section: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/file > > s/ > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, > > THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT > > THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > > GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, > > INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, > > INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP > > HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL > > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > > GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >
2006-04-01 by john dean
The Innova FibaGloss is going to be at Jim's next week I believe. john --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote:
> > I recall some time ago this paper was highly anticipated, then there > was just nothing more heard about it. > It even comes in large rolls, but I see is expensive. > Anyone else try this stuff? > T > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen > Photo 2" <e.neilsen2@> wrote: > > > > Tyler, I was helping a friend the other with some color management > issues > > and he introduced me to Orientals high gloss paper. The print looked > good > > for that type of print. It is however very fragile. > > > > We did not find a profile for it, but it printed well with Bill's > profiles > > for Epson printers. > > > > Eric > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > > > Of Tyler Boley > > > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 11:36 AM > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [Digital BW] Glossy paper preferences? > > > > > > Setting up for some K3 gloss here. I have no affinity for these > > > papers > > > at all. Those of you who do, can you give me some > > > recomendations? > > > I'm hearing Kodak and Ilford are well liked. > > > Premium Luster seems do dominate for "not quite gloss", and > > > then there > > > are the SilverRag and new competitors. > > > For now, just need a gloss option for people as well. > > > Thanks, > > > Tyler > > > www.custom-digital.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > > > resources as they are often being updated. > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > > > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > > > visiting this same page. > > > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > > > messages to keep them short. > > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be > > > removed from the membership without notice. > > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of > > > digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic > > > posts may be removed from the membership. > > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group > > > rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions > > > of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and > > > Guidelines" in the Files section: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/file > > > s/ > > > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, > > > THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT > > > THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > > > GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, > > > INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, > > > INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > > > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > > > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP > > > HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > > > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL > > > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > > > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > > > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > > > GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > > > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2006-04-01 by Tyler Boley
I'm excited to see it, and the new HannaBurro. Between those tow and the Crane, there should be something even I like <G>. T --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
> > The Innova FibaGloss is going to be at Jim's next week I believe. > > john
2006-04-01 by Eric Neilsen
Yes, He made it sound very expensive; almost to the point of not letting it out of the package. I had to convince him that if he didn't put it in the machine, there would be no way to test it. I can't say that too many first prints of any particular paper were/are keepers. I think that a big part was that he was unsure of the starting point/profile. The printer was an Epson 7600 with Atkinson's glossy profile. Since I don't print with glossy at all right now, I didn't remember the cost. Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 http://e.neilsen.home.att.net http://ericneilsenphotography.com
> -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyler > Boley > Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 1:18 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Glossy paper preferences? > > I recall some time ago this paper was highly anticipated, then there > was just nothing more heard about it. > It even comes in large rolls, but I see is expensive. > Anyone else try this stuff? > T > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen > Photo 2" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote: > > > > Tyler, I was helping a friend the other with some color management > issues > > and he introduced me to Orientals high gloss paper. The print looked > good > > for that type of print. It is however very fragile. > > > > We did not find a profile for it, but it printed well with Bill's > profiles > > for Epson printers. > > > > Eric > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > > > Of Tyler Boley > > > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 11:36 AM > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [Digital BW] Glossy paper preferences? > > > > > > Setting up for some K3 gloss here. I have no affinity for these > > > papers > > > at all. 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2006-04-01 by Jim Doyle
The Innova Fiba Will be in on Monday in cut sheets 8.5x11, 11x17 & 17x22 Only.. It was suppose to ship on Friday and its only one day to me via truck.. Keeping my fingers crossed! Jim Doyle J. Doyle Enterprises LLC 114 Old Orchard Rd Cherry Hill NJ 08003 856-424-8660 HYPERLINK "http://www.shadesofpaper.com"http://www.shadesofpaper.com _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john dean Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 3:10 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Glossy paper preferences? The Innova FibaGloss is going to be at Jim's next week I believe. john --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote: > > I recall some time ago this paper was highly anticipated, then there > was just nothing more heard about it. > It even comes in large rolls, but I see is expensive. > Anyone else try this stuff? > T > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen > Photo 2" <e.neilsen2@> wrote: > > > > Tyler, I was helping a friend the other with some color management > issues > > and he introduced me to Orientals high gloss paper. The print looked > good > > for that type of print. 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2006-04-01 by Carl Schofield
Tyler, You are right, this stuff pre-dates the current silver rag "darling" but is actually very similar with a smoother surface (and yes, they both have the feel of cardboard from a new dress shirt package). I tried (desparately) to make this work with the UC K2 inks when it first came out but finally gave up because of the bronzing and GD (not that bad and yeah, you can spray but that kills the look with this paper). I think my QTR profile (2200, UC) is still included with the QTR download. I haven't revisited Oriental with the K3 inks, but seeing how people are getting crazy about the silver rag look this might also do it for them. with K3. Carl
On Apr 1, 2006, at 4:32 PM, Eric Neilsen wrote: > Yes, He made it sound very expensive; almost to the point of not > letting it > out of the package. I had to convince him that if he didn't put it > in the > machine, there would be no way to test it. I can't say that too > many first > prints of any particular paper were/are keepers. I think that a big > part was > that he was unsure of the starting point/profile. The printer was > an Epson > 7600 with Atkinson's glossy profile. Since I don't print with > glossy at all > right now, I didn't remember the cost. > > > > Eric Neilsen Photography > 4101 Commerce Street > Suite 9 > Dallas, TX 75226 > http://e.neilsen.home.att.net > http://ericneilsenphotography.com > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of >> Tyler >> Boley >> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 1:18 PM >> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Glossy paper preferences? >> >> I recall some time ago this paper was highly anticipated, then there >> was just nothing more heard about it. >> It even comes in large rolls, but I see is expensive. >> Anyone else try this stuff? >> T >> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen >> Photo 2" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote: >>> >>> Tyler, I was helping a friend the other with some color management >> issues >>> and he introduced me to Orientals high gloss paper. The print looked >> good >>> for that type of print. It is however very fragile. >>> >>> We did not find a profile for it, but it printed well with Bill's >> profiles >>> for Epson printers. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >>>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf >>>> Of Tyler Boley >>>> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 11:36 AM >>>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >>>> Subject: [Digital BW] Glossy paper preferences? >>>> >>>> Setting up for some K3 gloss here. I have no affinity for these >>>> papers >>>> at all. Those of you who do, can you give me some >>>> recomendations? >>>> I'm hearing Kodak and Ilford are well liked. >>>> Premium Luster seems do dominate for "not quite gloss", and >>>> then there >>>> are the SilverRag and new competitors. >>>> For now, just need a gloss option for people as well. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tyler >>>> www.custom-digital.com
2006-04-01 by Tyler Boley
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <scho@...> wrote: > > Tyler, > > You are right, this stuff pre-dates the current silver rag "darling" > but is actually very similar with a smoother surface (and yes, they > both have the feel of cardboard from a new dress shirt package)... I haven't seen the Oriental, but that is a perfect description of my first impreesion of Silver Rag when samples arrived. If I actually purchased more dress shirts, I would have made that connection much sooner. Thank goodness putting some ink on it helps. Then again, I've only seen the beta, not production samples, didn't they finesse the surface a bit? T
2006-04-02 by Ernst Dinkla
Helen Bach wrote:
> There's an article on that in the latest JIST. I'll re-read it when I
> get the chance and report back. I remember thinking that I should try
> the Kodak Pro material.
>
> Best,
> Helen
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla
> <E.Dinkla@...> wrote:
> ...
>> There has been a discussion before in this list how gloss
>> could be measured :-)
>>
>> Ernst
There has been an test/article in the German ColorFoto on
papers with gloss grades added etc. I will look it up and
quote some numbers but it is German/European orientated. The
papers are probably the same but the brands and names will be
different.
I will think of a way to measure it in DIY fashion. An old HP
scanner converted or the cheap laser light source I have now.
Ernst
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( unvollendet )2006-04-02 by Olivier
> There has been an test/article in the German ColorFoto on > papers with gloss grades added etc. I will look it up and > quote some numbers but it is German/European orientated. The > papers are probably the same but the brands and names will be > different. > Ernst, in case it also says whether acidic (though I doubt for this one), and OBA-free it'd be helpful to know. I went to ColorFoto.de : I can't understand a word of German... Olivier
2006-04-02 by Ernst Dinkla
Olivier wrote:
>> There has been an test/article in the German ColorFoto on
>> papers with gloss grades added etc. I will look it up and
>> quote some numbers but it is German/European orientated. The
>> papers are probably the same but the brands and names will be
>> different.
>>
>
> Ernst, in case it also says whether acidic (though I doubt for this
> one), and OBA-free it'd be helpful to know. I went to ColorFoto.de : I
> can't understand a word of German...
I doubt that it gives acidic quotes in that test but it had
some fade test numbers.
The problem is that I can't find that issue anymore. Could be
that I left it with a friend and he's now looking.
http://www.colorfoto.de/drucker_scanner/testberichte/46_papiere_auf_drei_druckern.53264.htm
October 2005 heft.
Isn't Chasseur d'Images getting part of their tests from
ColorFoto ?
Ernst.
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( unvollendet )2006-04-02 by Chris Hargens
I found the Inkjetart Microceramic Plus to print well, but it seems to yellow a bit over time. Chris Hargens --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Helen Bach" <helenbach@...> wrote:
> > I like glossy papers, just as I liked glazed (ferrotyped in US > English) fibre-based papers. Definition, detail and depth. > > My suggestions for K3 inks: > > Inkjetart Microceramic Plus (=Premier Photo High Gloss Heavy) > Red River Polar Glossy > Epson Premium Glossy > > Innova Fibaprint Glossy (also sold as Da Vinci) for a slightly > textured surface > > Pictorico White Film for a Cibachrome sort of look > > The Innova paper is usually assumed to be silver gelatin fibre-based > paper by people who haven't been told what it is. This is a bit of an > insult, as I'm getting a D-max of 2.65 with it. > > Best, > Helen >
2006-04-02 by Olivier
> > Isn't Chasseur d'Images getting part of their tests from > ColorFoto ? > > Ernst. > That would great a lot of noise if true !!! I went to the link : no way I get a word...They're a magazine in France too called "Inkjet" but I wouldn't dare posting a single of their paper review. I believe for glossy we're on our own. Tetenal Fine Art Premium Glossy is not bad, but only small sizes. Amongst, all Epson ones, like Paul, I'd go for semi-matte, low bronzing, clean surface, the only thing, is like Luster, it tends to be slightly warm-green compared to Premium Gloss and semi-gloss. And it's definitely not a hi-gloss paper, but a good compromise. For some reasons, I feel hi-gloss papers do not show really vibrant colors as compared to semi-glossy ones, I feel they tend to flaten the print, but it's a personal view. I'm still a believer we can produce decent BW on glossy stock, though I must say I'm not yet there. Jon Cone is working on it, let's see.