Digital BW, The Print

Normally I wouldn't post something in any sense political to the list, 
but this has the potential to affect all the YAHOO! groups..

[PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO FRIENDS AND FAMILY]

Do you buy books online, use Google, or download to an iPod? Everything 
we do online will be hurt if Congress passes a radical law next week 
that gives giant corporations more control over what we do and see on 
the Internet.

Internet providers like AT&T are lobbying Congress hard to gut Network 
Neutrality--the Internet's First Amendment and the key to Internet 
freedom. Net Neutrality prevents AT&T from choosing which websites open 
most easily for you based on which site pays AT&T more. 
BarnesandNoble.com doesn't have to outbid Amazon for the right to work 
properly on your computer.

If Net Neutrality is gutted, many sites--including Google, eBay, and 
iTunes--must either pay protection money to companies like AT&T or risk 
having their websites process slowly. That why these high-tech pioneers, 
plus diverse groups ranging from MoveOn to Gun Owners of America, are 
opposing Congress' effort to gut Internet freedom.

You can do your part today--can you sign this petition telling your 
member of Congress to preserve Internet freedom? Click here:

http://www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet?track_referer=706%7C571152-Sx7iBQ7NlbcDp5pBcFv0oQ

I signed this petition, along with 250,000 others so far. This petiton 
will be delivered to Congress before the House of Representatives votes 
next week. When you sign, you'll be kept informed of the next steps we 
can take to keep the heat on Congress.

Snopes.com, which monitors various causes that circulate on the 
Internet, explained:

    Simply put, network neutrality means that no web site's traffic has
    precedence over any other's...Whether a user searches for recipes
    using Google, reads an article on snopes.com, or looks at a friend's
    MySpace profile, all of that data is treated equally and delivered
    from the originating web site to the user's web browser with the
    same priority. In recent months, however, some of the telephone and
    cable companies that control the telecommunications networks over
    which Internet data flows have floated the idea of creating the
    electronic equivalent of a paid carpool lane.

If companies like AT&T have their way, Web sites ranging from 
Google to eBay to iTunes either pay protection money to get into the 
"fast lane" or risk opening slowly on your computer. We can't let the 
Internet--this incredible medium which has been such a 
revolutionary force for democratic participation, economic innovation, 
and free speech--become captive to large corporations. 

Politicians don't think we are paying attention to this issue. Together, 
we do care about preserving the free and open Internet.

Please sign this petition letting your member of Congress know you 
support preserving Internet freedom. Click here:

http://www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet?track_referer=706%7C571152-Sx7iBQ7NlbcDp5pBcFv0oQ

Thanks.

-- 
Keith

 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"

 

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If you want to read the original bill (HR 5252) it's at:
<http://www.benton.org/benton_files/HR%205252%20COPE_0.pdf>

It's basically an end run on net neutrality by telecom carriers looking 
for what is effectively a subsidy through ending net neutrality. The 
bottom line is that they want it "to underwrite expansion of their 
capital infrastructure in the form of physical networks." That, at a 
time when even industry publications like Network World say there is a 
glut of capacity.   IMHO, that's the real agenda, these carriers built 
too much capacity, they have lots of it after a round of mergers, and 
now they want Congress to effectively tax all of us to pay for their 
poor business choices. Sadly, that tax will also limit free and open 
commentary on the net.  

Please sign this petition letting your member of Congress know you 
support preserving Internet freedom. Click here:

<http://www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet?track_referer=706%7C571152-Sx7iBQ7NlbcDp5pBcFv0oQ>
 

-- 
Keith

 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"

 

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> From: Editor P.O.V. Image Service
>
> If you want to read the original bill (HR 5252) it's at:
> <http://www.benton.org/benton_files/HR%205252%20COPE_0.pdf>
>
> It's basically an end run on net neutrality by telecom carriers looking
> for what is effectively a subsidy through ending net neutrality. The
> bottom line is that they want it "to underwrite expansion of their
> capital infrastructure in the form of physical networks." That, at a
> time when even industry publications like Network World say there is a
> glut of capacity.   IMHO, that's the real agenda, these carriers built
> too much capacity, they have lots of it after a round of mergers, and
> now they want Congress to effectively tax all of us to pay for their
> poor business choices. Sadly, that tax will also limit free and open
> commentary on the net.
>
> Please sign this petition letting your member of Congress know you
> support preserving Internet freedom. Click here:

Why do you junk up these lists with political stuff that has nothing to do
with the topic of the lists? If I did this on your list, you'd ban me.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Quite apart from the fact that the post exhibits a gross misunderstanding of
the issues involved.

> From: "Paul D. DeRocco" <pderocco@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 01:50:22 -0700
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] re: Congress is selling out the Internet - this
> could effect your use of YAHOO!Groups
> 
>> From: Editor P.O.V. Image Service
>> 
>> If you want to read the original bill (HR 5252) it's at:
>> <http://www.benton.org/benton_files/HR%205252%20COPE_0.pdf>
>> 
>> It's basically an end run on net neutrality by telecom carriers looking
>> for what is effectively a subsidy through ending net neutrality. The
>> bottom line is that they want it "to underwrite expansion of their
>> capital infrastructure in the form of physical networks." That, at a
>> time when even industry publications like Network World say there is a
>> glut of capacity.   IMHO, that's the real agenda, these carriers built
>> too much capacity, they have lots of it after a round of mergers, and
>> now they want Congress to effectively tax all of us to pay for their
>> poor business choices. Sadly, that tax will also limit free and open
>> commentary on the net.
>> 
>> Please sign this petition letting your member of Congress know you
>> support preserving Internet freedom. Click here:
> 
> Why do you junk up these lists with political stuff that has nothing to do
> with the topic of the lists? If I did this on your list, you'd ban me.
> 
> --
> 
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@...
>

Paul D. DeRocco wrote:

>
>Why do you junk up these lists with political stuff that has nothing to do
>with the topic of the lists? If I did this on your list, you'd ban me.
>
>  
>

Paul,

#1 Legislation like this threatens the very existence of these kinds of 
groups as free resources. So, it is VERY germane.

#2 As YOU are all too aware, the only time I ban people on my lists is 
for personal attacks or commercial advertising.
Keith

 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"

 

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Paul,

As you and I are both aware, we each believe in two different ways of 
viewing business and government.

You generally believe that the free market should always be allowed to 
price itself without government control.  It's implicit in many debates 
we have had, on many lists. Debates like the  recent commentary over the 
EPSON court settlement in California, and EPSON's supposed right to chip 
cartridges to prevent recycling, reuse, and 3rd party ink refills.

This is just another one of those debates..

I'd also note that I allow you all the freedom you wish (which you 
certainly use) to comment on such issues on my lists.  So, it's more 
than a tad hypocritical for you to be asking me to self-censor here, 
especially by arguing that I would somehow limit your right to comment 
on my lists. As you know, I rarely even clamp down on conversations for 
becoming less than wholly germane to those lists, and in the absence of 
personal attack, I NEVER shut down discussion of, or ban people for 
engaging in germane discussion, even when it's barely tangential.

Keith

 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"

 

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All you have to do to see how a free market does not work without control 
and when greed goes unchecked is to pull up to your gas pump.
Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" <editor@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] re: Congress is selling out the Internet - this 
could effect your use of YAHOO!Groups


Paul,

As you and I are both aware, we each believe in two different ways of
viewing business and government.

You generally believe that the free market should always be allowed to
price itself without government control.  It's implicit in many debates
we have had, on many lists. Debates like the  recent commentary over the
EPSON court settlement in California, and EPSON's supposed right to chip
cartridges to prevent recycling, reuse, and 3rd party ink refills.

This is just another one of those debates..

I'd also note that I allow you all the freedom you wish (which you
certainly use) to comment on such issues on my lists.  So, it's more
than a tad hypocritical for you to be asking me to self-censor here,
especially by arguing that I would somehow limit your right to comment
on my lists. As you know, I rarely even clamp down on conversations for
becoming less than wholly germane to those lists, and in the absence of
personal attack, I NEVER shut down discussion of, or ban people for
engaging in germane discussion, even when it's barely tangential.

Keith


Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo
Publications), at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together
guys"



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Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as 
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POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY 
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ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY 
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> From: Editor P.O.V. Image Service
>
> I'd also note that I allow you all the freedom you wish (which you
> certainly use) to comment on such issues on my lists.  So, it's more
> than a tad hypocritical for you to be asking me to self-censor here,
> especially by arguing that I would somehow limit your right to comment
> on my lists. As you know, I rarely even clamp down on conversations for
> becoming less than wholly germane to those lists, and in the absence of
> personal attack, I NEVER shut down discussion of, or ban people for
> engaging in germane discussion, even when it's barely tangential.

But I don't WANT to discuss this stuff on your printer-related lists or this
list. And I doubt most other people do, either. It simply divides people
into two camps who wind up not liking each other. While the issues are
important, and I'm sometimes willing to discuss them in other forums, I
regard it as an intrusion when someone brings up an issue that a) produces
deep ideological or philosophical divisions, and b) isn't on-topic for the
list. (The fact that this list is on the internet doesn't make every
internet-related issue on-topic.) While you can do what you want on lists
you moderate, I wish you wouldn't elsewhere.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

> From: Robert W. Shearer
>
> All you have to do to see how a free market does not work without control
> and when greed goes unchecked is to pull up to your gas pump.

Also provocative and off-topic.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul D. DeRocco"
<pderocco@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Robert W. Shearer
> >
> > All you have to do to see how a free market does not work without
control
> > and when greed goes unchecked is to pull up to your gas pump.
> 
> Also provocative and off-topic.
> 
> --
> 
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@...
>


In other words, anything said not in praise of free market is
provocative and off-topic.

And your attitude is equivalent to running tackle against free speech.
The issue brought to our attention by Keith is very much in the
interest of all internet users, including the users of this very Yahoo
group.

Cheers,
André

Paul,
I believe that the manner in which Keith runs his list is outstanding. One 
must stretch intellectual muscles every once in a while.
Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul D. DeRocco" <pderocco@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] re: Congress is selling out the Internet - this 
could effect your use of YAHOO!Groups


> From: Robert W. Shearer
>
> All you have to do to see how a free market does not work without control
> and when greed goes unchecked is to pull up to your gas pump.

Also provocative and off-topic.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...




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GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  "OWNER" AND 
"MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE 
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY 
TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR 
ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY 
THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER 
MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.

Yahoo! Groups Links

The issue has been discussed broadly in US and international press for some
time now.  It is not an issue relevant for discussion here and has nothing
to do with free speech.  Paul is correct on this.

PS:  $3 a gallon is cheap!  Try a more fuel efficient car.

> From: Andre <am1000@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 20:04:46 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Congress is selling out the Internet - this could
> effect your use of YAHOO!G
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul D. DeRocco"
> <pderocco@...> wrote:
>> 
>>> From: Robert W. Shearer
>>> 
>>> All you have to do to see how a free market does not work without
> control
>>> and when greed goes unchecked is to pull up to your gas pump.
>> 
>> Also provocative and off-topic.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
>> Paul                mailto:pderocco@...
>> 
> 
> 
> In other words, anything said not in praise of free market is
> provocative and off-topic.
> 
> And your attitude is equivalent to running tackle against free speech.
> The issue brought to our attention by Keith is very much in the
> interest of all internet users, including the users of this very Yahoo
> group.
> 
> Cheers,
> André

Steve,
the discussion was regarding government interference as opposed to a free 
market. Fuel cost was an example of an uchecked free market. The problem 
with the free market concept is that it is not allowed to remain free. 
Producers artificially manipulate a free market, thus effectively ending 
free market.
The same problem is happening to free speech. Free speech is only tolerated 
as long as those listening agree. If not, a great uproar ensues!
By the way, three dollars a gallon is only cheap if it had reached that 
point by true free market forces. It has not.
Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Kale" <stevekale@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Congress is selling out the Internet - this 
could effect your use of YAHOO!G


The issue has been discussed broadly in US and international press for some
time now.  It is not an issue relevant for discussion here and has nothing
to do with free speech.  Paul is correct on this.

PS:  $3 a gallon is cheap!  Try a more fuel efficient car.


> From: Andre <am1000@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 20:04:46 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Congress is selling out the Internet - this 
> could
> effect your use of YAHOO!G
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul D. DeRocco"
> <pderocco@...> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Robert W. Shearer
>>>
>>> All you have to do to see how a free market does not work without
> control
>>> and when greed goes unchecked is to pull up to your gas pump.
>>
>> Also provocative and off-topic.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
>> Paul                mailto:pderocco@...
>>
>
>
> In other words, anything said not in praise of free market is
> provocative and off-topic.
>
> And your attitude is equivalent to running tackle against free speech.
> The issue brought to our attention by Keith is very much in the
> interest of all internet users, including the users of this very Yahoo
> group.
>
> Cheers,
> Andr\ufffd





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Again - here is not the place for this conversation.  It is provocative and
off-topic.  Please discuss your "evil hand" economic theories elsewhere.

> From: "Robert W. Shearer" <rwshearer@...>

> 
> Steve,
> the discussion was regarding government interference as opposed to a free
> market. Fuel cost was an example of an uchecked free market. The problem
> with the free market concept is that it is not allowed to remain free.
> Producers artificially manipulate a free market, thus effectively ending
> free market.
> The same problem is happening to free speech. Free speech is only tolerated
> as long as those listening agree. If not, a great uproar ensues!
> By the way, three dollars a gallon is only cheap if it had reached that
> point by true free market forces. It has not.
> Bob

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Steve Kale wrote:

>Again - here is not the place for this conversation.  It is provocative and
>off-topic.  Please discuss your "evil hand" economic theories elsewhere.
>  
>
Am I missing something Steve?  Are you now the moderator here?
Keith

 
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Thanks Keith,
For a moment, I was getting confused about that myself. You run a list 
composed of iconoclastic, individualistic, opinionated, highly skilled 
people and unfortunately some intolerant persons. It must seem like juggling 
a hundred balls at once. You do it well.
Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" <editor@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Congress is selling out the Internet - this 
could effect your use of YAHOO!G


Steve Kale wrote:

>Again - here is not the place for this conversation.  It is provocative and
>off-topic.  Please discuss your "evil hand" economic theories elsewhere.
>
>
Am I missing something Steve?  Are you now the moderator here?
Keith


Keith Krebs





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