Digital BW, The Print

I've seen some posts on the R260, but I haven't seen any B&W ink sets 
available for this yet.  The R260 seems to have better color prints 
and is the same price now as the 220 with rebates.  Is anyone using it 
for B&W or do we know if b&w ink sets are on the way?

The 260 carts are going to be a challenge for the third party vendors to
clone.  So far, I don't think there are any.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] R260 B&W printing?

 

I've seen some posts on the R260, but I haven't seen any B&W ink sets 
available for this yet. The R260 seems to have better color prints 
and is the same price now as the 220 with rebates. Is anyone using it 
for B&W or do we know if b&w ink sets are on the way? 

 



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MIS is not showing any carts for the 260.  Without those we don't have anything to put the b&w inks in we're stuck.  My 220 just quit, under warranty.  The Epson rep I talked to said the new 220 would be sent to me in 5 days.  Two days later a brand new 260 showed up on my door step.  But, I've got a load of 220 carts, etc.  So, I called back to complain about the upgrade.  The woman I talked to understood.  The 220 is no longer available from Epson.  So, she said they could send me a 340, which is the 220 with other bells and whistles.  It is the same heads, print engine, etc.  So, I should be able to continue just as with the 220.
   
  I sure would like to have been able to give the 260 a try, though.
   
  Tom Baker

cjpaschke <cjpaschke@...> wrote:
          I've seen some posts on the R260, but I haven't seen any B&W ink sets 
available for this yet. The R260 seems to have better color prints 
and is the same price now as the 220 with rebates. Is anyone using it 
for B&W or do we know if b&w ink sets are on the way? 



         


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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> The 260 carts are going to be a challenge for the third party vendors to
> clone.  So far, I don't think there are any.
> 
>  
> 

Is there something significantly different about them?

Hi;

I just tried the 'Grayscale' printing on mine, and sure enough it is 
not BO. 

The carts are different- they are different a shape and have two more 
contacts than previous Epson carts, which means cloning not only the 
carts, but the chips, AND coming up with a new chip resetter. Which is 
too bad, because this one looks like it would (with QTR) do excellent 
BO, or anything else we do.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "cjpaschke" 
<cjpaschke@...> wrote:
>
> I've seen some posts on the R260, but I haven't seen any B&W ink sets 
> available for this yet.  The R260 seems to have better color prints 
> and is the same price now as the 220 with rebates.  Is anyone using 
it 
> for B&W or do we know if b&w ink sets are on the way?
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven
Karafyllakis" <stevekphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Hi;
> 
> I just tried the 'Grayscale' printing on mine, and sure enough it is 
> not BO. 
> 
> The carts are different- they are different a shape and have two more 
> contacts than previous Epson carts, which means cloning not only the 
> carts, but the chips, AND coming up with a new chip resetter. Which is 
> too bad, because this one looks like it would (with QTR) do excellent 
> BO, or anything else we do.

Third party inks are a billion dollar a year industry, it's just a
matter of time.

Greg,

>> The 260 carts are going to be a challenge for the third party vendors to
>> clone. So far, I don't think there are any.

>Is there something significantly different about them?

There are a couple more contacts on the chip, and wires that go into the
cart.  It looks like they are measuring resistance to get a better measure
of the ink level.  My guess is that they have built a patent forest to try
to stop the third party ink business.  The 220s disappearing are probably
part of this effort.  That is the printer Epson is losing the most on to the
third party ink people from what I can tell.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> Greg,
> 
> >> The 260 carts are going to be a challenge for the third party
vendors to
> >> clone. So far, I don't think there are any.
> 
> >Is there something significantly different about them?
> 
> There are a couple more contacts on the chip, and wires that go into the
> cart.  It looks like they are measuring resistance to get a better
measure
> of the ink level.  My guess is that they have built a patent forest
to try
> to stop the third party ink business.  The 220s disappearing are
probably
> part of this effort.  That is the printer Epson is losing the most
on to the
> third party ink people from what I can tell.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>


If it uses the two or three chamber design like in the previous carts,
a resistive level meter will be difficult, unless they are just
measuring that last chamber to try and get all the ink out. You can be
sure that the Chinese companies that make the third party carts are
way ahead of all of us.

Do the second set of carts have all the same contacts too?

I'll ask even though I know the answer from previous times... Anybody
have any empties they don't want?

I'm sure Epson lost money on this series, but if ink sales was the
problem, Epson has only itself to blame. A combination of aggressive
promotions, ebay, and initial design flaws conspired to glut the
market with cheap OEM cartridges that happened to be packaged with
free printers that people didn't want. The result had to be very low
demand for standalone replacement carts, period, regardless of who
made them.

Bob L

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> to stop the third party ink business.  The 220s disappearing are
probably
> part of this effort.  That is the printer Epson is losing the most
on to the

> third party ink people from what I can tell.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>