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2007-01-08 by Rick Colson
Does anyone know of a compatible ink base that will work to create dilutions of Epson black ink... Ultrachrome or K3? Does anyone know the formula for ink base? Sources? What's used to adjust the viscosity? Thanks all... Rick
2007-01-09 by Paul Roark
>Does anyone know of a compatible ink base that will work >to create dilutions of Epson black ink... Ultrachrome or K3? I have some MIS base that is labeled "UC Base." I have no idea if it's really appropriate or whether they still sell it. I made my own, using only things I knew were compatible since they were major components of the UC inks, disclosed as such in the MSDSs. My mix was 4 parts water to 3 parts glycerol. It seemed to work well with dilution of a bit more than 1:1. I'm not sure how high I'd go with the dilution since it obviously excludes some components. I've experimented with a wetting agent for it also. I just used Kodak Photo Flo. It worked fine but was not necessary at the dilutions I was using. >What's used to adjust the viscosity? This worked well: http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Viscosity_Comparisons.pdf Have fun. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2007-01-09 by Rick Colson
Paul - Thanks for your generous reply. I assume you used distilled water in your "base" brew? Rick
2007-01-09 by Paul Roark
Yes, use distilled water in the mix. Paul www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Colson Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:12 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Ink "base" Paul - Thanks for your generous reply. I assume you used distilled water in your "base" brew? Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-01-09 by sinar001
Surface tension also plays a roll. Straight distilled water has the most surface tension. Adding alcohol reduces surface tension, as does a surfactant such as photo flow. John Nollendorfs --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote: > > Yes, use distilled water in the mix. > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> > > > > > > _____ > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick > Colson > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:12 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Ink "base" > > > > Paul - > > Thanks for your generous reply. I assume you used distilled water in your
> "base" brew? > > Rick > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2007-01-09 by Paul Roark
John, > Surface tension also plays a roll. Straight distilled water > has the most surface tension. Adding alcohol reduces > surface tension, as does a surfactant such as photo flow. Yes. Be sure to read my post in light of my previous post that gave the formula and limits to dilution. I was diluting with about 60% of my mix (3 parts glycerol to 4 parts water) and 40% UC ink. At that dilution the UC ink appeared to have enough of all the other "stuff" to work fine. The Photo Flo (which does have a bit of alcohol in it) in minute amounts might be a good wetting agent, but it did not change the performance of the inks with the dilutions I was using, as far as I could tell in my experiments. So, I just dropped it. When I tried to determine the amount of Photo Flo that would be appropriate (which would take some digging through my files), I recall that is was a very small amount. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2007-01-09 by James Irelan
On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Paul Roark wrote: > John, > > > Surface tension also plays a roll. sometimes a paradiddle James [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-01-09 by Tyler Boley
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan <james@...> wrote: > > > On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Paul Roark wrote: > > > John, > > > > > Surface tension also plays a roll. > > > > > sometimes a paradiddle > > James sometimes a ratamacue no one knows what we're talking about... Tyler
2007-01-09 by Bruce Watson
Tyler Boley wrote: > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan > <james@...> wrote: > >> sometimes a paradiddle >> >> James >> > sometimes a ratamacue > > no one knows what we're talking about... > Tyler > No one? -- Bruce Watson / /
2007-01-09 by xylonic2000
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote: > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan > <james@> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Paul Roark wrote: > > > > > John, > > > > > > > Surface tension also plays a roll. > > > > > > sometimes a paradiddle > > > > James > > sometimes a ratamacue > > no one knows what we're talking about... > Tyler > You may be correct, Tyler, but I believe that surface tension makes incorporation of paradiddles in French rolls all but impossible. Vienna rolls are different. Reinald
2007-01-09 by kenstrain2000
> sometimes a ratamacue > > no one knows what we're talking about... > Tyler It is no longer possible that no one knows! In percussion, the paradiddle is a four-note sticking pattern consisting of two alternating notes Though this one is harder The ratamacue, or single ratamacue, is a rudiment based on the drag, used most in marching cadences ... One learns something every day... :) >
2007-01-10 by Tyler Boley
Cool, it'a Spinal Tap day on the list!!! No, wait, those guys in that band (didn't the 1st drummer die?) could not possibley have known their rudiments. Why do the roadies always level the drum riser? So the drummer will drool equally out of both sides of his mouth... ok, done. Tyler --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "kenstrain2000" <kenstrain2000@...> wrote:
> > > > sometimes a ratamacue > > > > no one knows what we're talking about... > > Tyler > It is no longer possible that no one knows! > > In percussion, the paradiddle is a four-note sticking pattern > consisting of two alternating notes > > Though this one is harder > > The ratamacue, or single ratamacue, is a rudiment based on the drag, > used most in marching cadences ... > > One learns something every day... :) > > > > >
2007-01-10 by Tyler Boley
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "xylonic2000" <n984652@...> wrote: > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" > <tyler@> wrote: > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan > > <james@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Paul Roark wrote: > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > > > > Surface tension also plays a roll. > > > > > > > > > sometimes a paradiddle > > > > > > James > > > > sometimes a ratamacue > > > > no one knows what we're talking about... > > Tyler > > > You may be correct, Tyler, but I believe that surface tension makes > incorporation of paradiddles in French rolls all but impossible. > Vienna rolls are different. > Reinald > single or double stroke? Tyler, really done now.
2007-01-10 by Dana H. Myers
Tyler Boley wrote: > > > Cool, it'a Spinal Tap day on the list!!! > No, wait, those guys in that band (didn't the 1st drummer die?) could > not possibley have known their rudiments. Ah, Stumpy Pete, he was a great bloke... ;-) Dana
2007-01-10 by Tyler Boley
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Watson <bwyg@...> wrote: > > Tyler Boley wrote: > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan > > <james@> wrote: > > > >> sometimes a paradiddle > >> > >> James > >> > > sometimes a ratamacue > > > > no one knows what we're talking about... > > Tyler > > > No one? > -- > Bruce Watson well, I can't be right ALL the time... By the way, John Nollendorfs knows more about ink than anyone on this list probably... History moves and dissapears fast in the digital world, but John not only had a vialble color ink set out for some time, that could emulate ciba on the right surfaces, but had the only viable dye based mono sets ever put on the market, to my knowledge. They were quite stunning, with great dmax, decent longevity as azo based. Unfortunately proper substrates in the marketplace were hard to find. John knows a lot about how coatings take ink, and how a number of factors effect longevity, and many other things I'm probably unaware of... for all I know, he may still supply the inks. Tyler
2007-01-10 by Rick Colson
Oh my God. What have I started? Will someone please shoot me. Rick
2007-01-10 by dlruckus
Some do, but in another vein how about a digim instead of a diddle? Duane --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote:
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan > <james@> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Paul Roark wrote: > > > > > John, > > > > > > > Surface tension also plays a roll. > > > > > > > > > > sometimes a paradiddle > > > > James > > sometimes a ratamacue > > no one knows what we're talking about... > Tyler >
2007-01-10 by koloshor
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote: > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan > <james@> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Paul Roark wrote: > > > > > John, > > > > > > > Surface tension also plays a roll. > > > > > > sometimes a paradiddle > > > > James > > sometimes a ratamacue > > no one knows what we're talking about... What do you call someone who follows a band around? - A drummer! How do you know when there's a drummer at your door? - The knocking keeps speeding up. How do you know when the stage is level? - The drummer drools out both sides of his mouth.
2007-01-10 by koloshor
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Rick Colson <colson@...> wrote: > > Oh my God. What have I started? Will someone please shoot me. Why should we shoot you? Are you a drummer? How do you get two drummers playing in synchronization? - Shoot one of them. Did you hear about the bass player who locked his keys in the car? - He had to break a window to get the drummer out!
2007-01-10 by sinar001
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote: SNIP > well, I can't be right ALL the time... > By the way, John Nollendorfs knows more about ink than anyone on this > list probably... > History moves and dissapears fast in the digital world, but John not > only had a vialble color ink set out for some time, that could emulate > ciba on the right surfaces, but had the only viable dye based mono > sets ever put on the market, to my knowledge. They were quite > stunning, with great dmax, decent longevity as azo based. > Unfortunately proper substrates in the marketplace were hard to find. > John knows a lot about how coatings take ink, and how a number of > factors effect longevity, and many other things I'm probably unaware > of... for all I know, he may still supply the inks. > Tyler > Boy, I leave the list for a day with a "tension thought" and it all turns to drum talk! Thanks for the kind words Tyler! For the most part I have left the ink business, but have kept up my contacts. I thought about jumping in to sell "me too" pigments, but thought better of it. Right now just happy to get some commercial photography jobs and keeping the art repro business alive. Amazing how much simpler life is when you aren't running to the Post Office sending off ink packages anymore! John Nollendorfs
2007-01-11 by Geoff Meadowcroft
Oh dear! Another of these time-wasting off-topic, topics. I, for one, wish you would keep these out of this forum. Geoff On 10 Jan 2007, at 23:29, koloshor wrote: --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote: > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan > <james@> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Paul Roark wrote: > > > > > John, > > > > > > > Surface tension also plays a roll. > > > > > > sometimes a paradiddle > > > > James > > sometimes a ratamacue > > no one knows what we're talking about... What do you call someone who follows a band around? - A drummer! How do you know when there's a drummer at your door? - The knocking keeps speeding up. How do you know when the stage is level? - The drummer drools out both sides of his mouth.
2007-01-11 by James Irelan
On Jan 11, 2007, at 4:06 AM, Geoff Meadowcroft wrote: > Oh dear! Another of these time-wasting off-topic, topics. > I, for one, wish you would keep these out of this forum. > Geoff When you think about it, Geoff, complaining about being off topic is actually just as off topic as anything else, wastes more time, and is a lot less funny. James Irelan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-01-11 by Tony Young
This is not a comedy forum and the topic should be limited to appropriate subject matter... i.e., I'd like to solicit opinions on what paper(s) work(s) best with my epson4000 and piezography K7 inks? Aside from googling, I'd like to hear from some experienced printers what their favorite papers are and, more important, why. Thank you!
Tony
James Irelan <james@redweather.com> wrote:
On Jan 11, 2007, at 4:06 AM, Geoff Meadowcroft wrote:
> Oh dear! Another of these time-wasting off-topic, topics.
> I, for one, wish you would keep these out of this forum.
> Geoff
When you think about it, Geoff, complaining about being off topic is
actually just as off topic as anything else, wastes more time, and is
a lot less funny.
James Irelan
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2007-01-11 by Geoff Meadowcroft
On 11 Jan 2007, at 12:45, James Irelan wrote: On Jan 11, 2007, at 4:06 AM, Geoff Meadowcroft wrote: > Oh dear! Another of these time-wasting off-topic, topics. > I, for one, wish you would keep these out of this forum. > Geoff When you think about it, Geoff, complaining about being off topic is actually just as off topic as anything else, wastes more time, and is a lot less funny. James Irelan Yes, but if it stops another 400 off-topic messages cluttering our inboxes the net result is positive. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-01-11 by Stephen Petegorsky
>This is not a comedy forum and the topic should be limited to appropriate subject matter. Yeah, mabye... But I¹m actually more worried that all work and no play will make us into dull boys and girls. I don¹t think there is much risk of this forum degenerating because of the occasional injection of levity. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-01-11 by James Irelan
> > > Yes, but if it stops another 400 off-topic messages cluttering our > inboxes the net result is positive. Not if they're 400 entertaining ones : ) James > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-01-11 by Carolyn Frayn
On 11-Jan-07, at 6:07 AM, Tony Young wrote: > This is not a comedy forum and the topic should be limited to > appropriate subject matter... i.e., I'd like to solicit opinions > on what paper(s) work(s) best with my epson4000 and piezography K7 > inks? Aside from googling, I'd like to hear from some experienced > printeYou just told a couple of our most experienced printers and > long time listers that this isn't a comedy forum. Always best to do > a little research. You just told a couple of our most experienced and longest listers they are not in a comedy forum.. then asked for help... now that's funny. When non moderators insist on asserting moderator status it floors me.. The 'best' forums have 'spirit'.. Carolyn --- http://www.carolynfrayn.com
2007-01-11 by lulalake_1999
> > > > > > sometimes a paradiddle > > > > > > James > > > > sometimes a ratamacue > > > > no one knows what we're talking about... > > Tyler > > Yeah, they would think it's a bunch of flim flam. Jules
2007-01-11 by James Irelan
> > > You just told a couple of our most experienced and longest listers > they are not in a comedy forum.. then asked for help... now that's > funny. > > When non moderators insist on asserting moderator status it floors > me.. The 'best' forums have 'spirit'.. > > Carolyn Well said, Carolyn. James >> . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-01-11 by CorrPro96@aol.com
In a message dated 1/11/2007 9:54:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, james@... writes: > Yes, but if it stops another 400 off-topic messages cluttering our > inboxes the net result is positive. Not if they're 400 entertaining ones : ) James > . All these silly postings are NOT entertaining one bit. This is going on every day. Richard (Brooklyn) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-01-11 by lenzzman44
Yeah!! What Carolyn said. Oh, and if you haven't yet checked out http://www.carolynfrayn.com you've missed one of the most lovely stops on the Web. Double thanks, Carolyn. Print on, Jim --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carolyn Frayn <carolyn@...> wrote:
> > You just told a couple of our most experienced and longest listers > they are not in a comedy forum.. then asked for help... now that's > funny. > > When non moderators insist on asserting moderator status it floors > me.. The 'best' forums have 'spirit'.. > > Carolyn > --- > http://www.carolynfrayn.com >
2007-01-12 by Tony Young
You've made your point... pathetic group- has turned into a humorous joke itself-
leaving the "experienced"-moderator-officializing-spirits to entertain themselves
on the floor in their blathering humorous fog... I'll find answers elsewhere.
No need to ask... moderating my self outta here so no need to respond with your
unbelievably "funny" wits.
Tony
Carolyn Frayn <carolyn@...> wrote:
On 11-Jan-07, at 6:07 AM, Tony Young wrote:
> This is not a comedy forum and the topic should be limited to
> appropriate subject matter... i.e., I'd like to solicit opinions
> on what paper(s) work(s) best with my epson4000 and piezography K7
> inks? Aside from googling, I'd like to hear from some experienced
> printeYou just told a couple of our most experienced printers and
> long time listers that this isn't a comedy forum. Always best to do
> a little research.
You just told a couple of our most experienced and longest listers
they are not in a comedy forum.. then asked for help... now that's
funny.
When non moderators insist on asserting moderator status it floors
me.. The 'best' forums have 'spirit'..
Carolyn
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http://www.carolynfrayn.com
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2007-01-12 by Tyler Boley
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tony Young <tmjoint69@...> wrote: > > You've made your point... pathetic group- well... sorry about that. But this is the right group for your question. It's been slow and boring here for a bit, and the holidays, we're only human. None of us actually claim to be funny. You should change the subjet line to your paper question and try again. Tyler
2007-01-12 by Stephen Petegorsky
> You've made your point... pathetic group- How about this as a subject line for when anyone dares to be less than serious again? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-01-12 by koloshor
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tony Young <tmjoint69@...> wrote: > > You've made your point... pathetic group- has turned into a humorous joke itself- > leaving the "experienced"-moderator-officializing-spirits to entertain themselves > on the floor in their blathering humorous fog... I'll find answers elsewhere. > No need to ask... moderating my self outta here so no need to respond with your > unbelievably "funny" wits. How about if we respond with the cold, hard light of reality, in a way that may actually help you in your dealings with people (both here and elsewhere)? I just did a search for posts by you, Mr. Tony Young. Guess what I found? You've posted three times, to a grand total of two threads, and you've never, ever made a single positive contribution to this group. In one thread, when we were being serious, you complained about us using terms that were too hard for you to understand. In the other, when we weren't being serious, you judged us as "pathetic". Well, I'm sorry, Mr. Young, but we're not here to entertain you. If there's a direction you'd like to see conversation go, start threads on your topics of interest. It's been said, too many times, if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. While I agree that your idea about "moderating my self outta here", I doubt your other observation "I'll find answers elsewhere" is true. All you're doing is waiting for the world to anticipate what you need and provide it in a neatly wrapped package, just the way you want it, without hard to understand words, without humor that you don't get. This is not going to happen. There isn't a Yahoo group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrintDoneTonyYoung'sWay", and there is never going to be. Learn to live in a community.
2007-01-12 by koloshor
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Geoff Meadowcroft <geoffmead@...> wrote: > > Oh dear! Another of these time-wasting off-topic, topics. > I, for one, wish you would keep these out of this forum. > Geoff You and Tony Young are a matched set. Three posts each, and a horrible signal to noise ratio (3 of his 3 posts were complaints, 2 of 3 of yours are). Everyone who made humorous contributions to this thread has a better percentage of useful to useless posts than either of you two do. If you want a forum with a higher percentage of posts that meet your criteria for "on-topic", then may I suggest that you clean your own house first...
2007-01-12 by James Irelan
On Jan 11, 2007, at 6:34 PM, Tony Young wrote: > You've made your point... pathetic group- has turned into a > humorous joke itself- > leaving the "experienced"-moderator-officializing-spirits to > entertain themselves > on the floor in their blathering humorous fog... I'll find answers > elsewhere. > No need to ask... moderating my self outta here so no need to > respond with your > unbelievably "funny" wits. And no need to continue with yours, which obviously would be impossible. Bye. James [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]