Digital BW, The Print

Just curious as to whether many people have found a use for the newer 
Silver Rag type papers, as opposed to sticking with the traditional 
matte papers?

Evan

Purely subjective, but after buying a couple rolls of the SR, I went back to the mat papers.  Even though the SR has a higher dMax, it doesn't look as 'rich' to me.
   
  Tom Baker

Evan Wolarsky <wolarsky@...> wrote:
          Just curious as to whether many people have found a use for the newer 
Silver Rag type papers, as opposed to sticking with the traditional 
matte papers?

Evan



         


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I've seen fine examples in B&W print exchanges and, although I
understand why some love them, I don't. 

They "glitter" a little, which isn't bad in itself but I think it
defeats the air-dried-glossy effort. On the other hand, examples of
Hahnemuele (sp?) Photo Rag have been attractive enough that I might
order some, next time I'm feeling spendy.

The most appealing new-to-me paper is Epson Velvet Fine Art, which
looks a lot like Kodak's best B&W paper ever, whose name I don't
remember except that it involved "portrait". Kodak's was good enough
that I used it sometimes instead of Brovira :-)  I'd use this paper
for portraits, for sure, but don't think its character would
contribute to my other goals...though maybe it'd remind someone of
Portriga Rapid. 
 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tom Baker
<tbaker1328@...> wrote:
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> Purely subjective, but after buying a couple rolls of the SR, I went
back to the mat papers.  Even though the SR has a higher dMax, it
doesn't look as 'rich' to me.
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>   Tom Baker
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> Evan Wolarsky <wolarsky@...> wrote:
>           Just curious as to whether many people have found a use
for the newer 

> Silver Rag type papers, as opposed to sticking with the traditional 
> matte papers?
> 
> Evan
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Hello

 

My name is Jeff Robertson and I have been a lurker for about a month. I
just recently received

a set of UT-7 inks for the Epson 2200 and am trying to get a handle on
the basics for creating

traditional looking neutral tone prints on either Epson Premium Glossy
or Premium Luster.

 

Questions:

 

1) Do I need to choose or use the same ICC profile as for color
printing?

2) What would the slider settings for the above papers be on the Epson
driver for the easy print

method?

 

Thanks in advance for the response and I look forward to making the last
step to 

"turning the taps off" in the wet darkroom.

 

Jeff Robertson

Hinton, AB, Canada

             

 

 

 




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Hi Even:

I like the Silver Rag type papers a lot, but there are some issues to  
be concerned with, such as bronzing and mottling on some papers with  
some printers when printed at higher speeds.

I wrote a review for PDN here with some of my observations and  
suggestions for using some of the different finer gloss/semi-gloss  
papers.

Here is the link to the story:  <http://tinyurl.com/2oxw8z>

All the best,

Andrew Darlow
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Andrew Darlow
Editor, The Imaging Buffet
http://www.imagingbuffet.com





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Hello Evan,

>Just curious as to whether many people have found a use for the newer 
>Silver Rag type papers, as opposed to sticking with the traditional 
>matte papers?

I tried SR and a few others, and have seen prints on some of the
newest Innova paper.  It's improving but in spite of the better dmax I
still prefer the lack of glare and reflections so much that I'm
sticking with matte papers for now.  

Since I began using K3 inks in August '05 my favorite paper has become
Epson's Velvet Fine Art (VFA).  It really sings with these inks and
the prints have a richness and depth that is hard to beat.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

My only experience was with pre-production samples of Silver Rag.  With the
ImagePrint profiles, the prints appeared identical to Ilford fiber VC.
However, there was something about the surface I didn't like.  Someone said
"spangly".  I've pretty much settled on Epson Velvet Fine Art for
everything.  The only drawback I've found is that it is a fragile surface.

Ken

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> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Matte Papers vs. newer Silver Rag type papers
> 
> I've seen fine examples in B&W print exchanges and, although I
> understand why some love them, I don't.
> 
> They "glitter" a little, which isn't bad in itself but I think it
> defeats the air-dried-glossy effort. On the other hand, examples of
> Hahnemuele (sp?) Photo Rag have been attractive enough that I might
> order some, next time I'm feeling spendy.
> 
> The most appealing new-to-me paper is Epson Velvet Fine Art, which
> looks a lot like Kodak's best B&W paper ever, whose name I don't
> remember except that it involved "portrait". Kodak's was good enough
> that I used it sometimes instead of Brovira :-)  I'd use this paper
> for portraits, for sure, but don't think its character would
> contribute to my other goals...though maybe it'd remind someone of
> Portriga Rapid.
>

Hi Evan;

Up until a couple days ago my answer was no, I haven't been able to put 
up with the odd surface texture and too uneven gloss; However I just 
tried the latest Innova offerings: Ultra Smooth gloss, and White Semi-
matte, both in the Fibaprint group. The US Gloss has a surface just 
about exactly like the Ilford Glossy FB that many of us used until we 
switched to digital, and the semi-matte is essentially the same but 
with almost no shine. Both are very handsome papers, and will do well 
with neutral images.  Haven't tried warm or sepia with them, I'm 
inclined to stay with matte papers for that. Jim Doyle has 5-sheet 
samples available. 


Regards,

Steven Karafyllakis

In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Evan Wolarsky" 
<wolarsky@...> wrote:

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> Just curious as to whether many people have found a use for the newer 
> Silver Rag type papers, as opposed to sticking with the traditional 
> matte papers?
> 
> Evan
>

Jeff, you seem to have embedded your post in Evans thread. Starting a
New Thread will probably provoke more answers.
 I have a 2200 but stuck to the Epson inks and use ImagePrint. Doing
this produces pretty good b&w. But having said that the 2200 is
faulted. Epson claimed that is was the answer to B&W when it was
launched but in retrospect it had bad metermerism and bronzing. So
given the printers that are now available such as the 3800 (although a
little more expensive) I would get that.
Jules


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Semaphore"
<j.w.robertson@...> wrote:

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> Hello
> 
>  
> 
> My name is Jeff Robertson and I have been a lurker for about a month. I
> just recently received
> 
> a set of UT-7 inks for the Epson 2200 and am trying to get a handle on
> the basics for creating
> 
> traditional looking neutral tone prints on either Epson Premium Glossy
> or Premium Luster.
> 
>  
> 
> Questions:
> 
>  
> 
> 1) Do I need to choose or use the same ICC profile as for color
> printing?
> 
> 2) What would the slider settings for the above papers be on the Epson
> driver for the easy print
> 
> method?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance for the response and I look forward to making the last
> step to 
> 
> "turning the taps off" in the wet darkroom.
> 
>  
> 
> Jeff Robertson
> 
> Hinton, AB, Canada
> 
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