Digital BW, The Print

In a message dated 7/1/07 7:16:21 PM, mastologia@... writes:


> I've searched here and didn't find comments on this specific combo so
> would anybody know if PrintFIX PRO would be able to profile a 1160
> that I print with MIS FSN Inks? How well would it work? Would the
> GretagMacbeth counterparte do any better for the extra 450 bucks?(the
> combo with the spider,I mean) I already have the old ColorVison spyder...
> 

There are actually more B&W specific functions in PrintFIX PRO than in other 
color profiling products. Since these inks can be used with the RGB driver, in 
appropriate color order, it should be possible to profile them with PrintFIX 
PRO, though that won't control the tone of non-toned inks like FSN. I have not 
heard (that I recall, at least) from anyone using your specific combination, 
but its certainly worth trying. Personally, I'd recommend the MIS UT3D inks, 
as they profile very nicely with PrintFIX PRO, and give you a nice range of 
controllable tints and crosstints via a PFP profile.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
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>  Would the
> > GretagMacbeth counterparte do any better for the extra 450 bucks?



I have not used PrintFix, but I have used earlier Colorvision  
products going back a number of years, and was always pleased with  
the results. A few years ago Gretag had a special on ProfileMaker,  
and I went for it, thinking that a much more expensive product must  
be even  better.  I have not found this to be the case.  My testimony  
is entirely anecdotal, and limited to color profile generation,  so  
keep that in mind, and it is true that I am now getting good profiles  
with PM 5 (seems better than 4), but is PM worth the extra money?   
Not that I can see. Maybe it has more elaborate features for tasks  
like profiling presses etc- I don't know.  It does seem to have lots  
of options.  But just for generating profiles for home fine art  
printing, my guess would be that your extra $450 could be much better  
spent on ink or paper etc.

I have a question re: generating profiles for a split tone ink set  
such as one of the new K6 Cone split tone sets.  Does the aspect that  
the inks vary in color have any bearing?  Or are the profiles based  
on density only, and therefore unaffected?  I have not yet generated  
any black and white profiles yet so I'm unfamiliar with the process,  
but I'm gearing up to do so, and thinking about a split set on a 9500.

James Irelan

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In a message dated 7/2/07 1:25:54 PM, james@... writes:


> I have a question re: generating profiles for a split tone ink set 
> such as one of the new K6 Cone split tone sets.  Does the aspect that 
> the inks vary in color have any bearing?  Or are the profiles based 
> on density only, and therefore unaffected?  I have not yet generated 
> any black and white profiles yet so I'm unfamiliar with the process, 
> but I'm gearing up to do so, and thinking about a split set on a 9500.
> 
> 
PrintFIX PRO profiles are capable of controlling tints as well as densities, 
when used with a driver or RIP that allows the profile to do so. So if you 
profile a grayscale driver, you'll only get density, as the a*/b* components will 
be ignored, while profiling a color driver will allow you control of color 
tints as well as density. A 9500 will require a custom inkset to do good B&W 
printing. If you choose a profilable singletone or adjustable tone inkset, then 
you can profile it with PrintFIX PRO. That profile will then allow you to tell 
what is, and is not, in the gamut of that inkset, for the adjustable B&W sets, 
and preview the results at various tints and crosstints. For the single tone 
B&W inkset, a PFP profile will preview that tone, and allow you to adjust 
densities with a live preview of the results; but the tone will be fixed, and will 
vary a bit from paper to paper.

For more info, download the PrintFIX PRO 2.1   UserGuide.pdf at 
colorvision.com, under Support >User Guides. The tutorials on B&W, as well as the screen by 
screen help, will tell you more about the process.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
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> PrintFIX PRO profiles are capable of controlling tints as well as  
> densities,
> when used with a driver or RIP that allows the profile to do so.





Immediately I'd be using QTR and profiling with ProfileMaker.  If  
PrintFix would be preferable for the purpose I'd look at it for the  
future, but right now I need to stick with what I have.  I have QTR  
but haven't used it yet, so I don't know what it's capable of.

James
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In a message dated 7/2/07 2:47:17 PM, james@... writes:


> > PrintFIX PRO profiles are capable of controlling tints as well as 
> > densities,
> > when used with a driver or RIP that allows the profile to do so.
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> Immediately I'd be using QTR and profiling with ProfileMaker.  If 
> PrintFix would be preferable for the purpose I'd look at it for the 
> future, but right now I need to stick with what I have.  I have QTR 
> but haven't used it yet, so I don't know what it's capable of.
> 

That will work (EyeOne and QTR), but the thread was about PrintFIX PRO, so 
that was what I assumed you were asking about...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@colorvision.com
www.colorvision.com


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> That will work (EyeOne and QTR), but the thread was about PrintFIX  
> PRO, so
> that was what I assumed you were asking about...






Sorry to get a little off thread.  I was really asking just generally  
about split tone sets, and if they could be profiled the same way a  
mono set could, or if some special techniques were needed.

James
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In a message dated 7/2/07 3:36:22 PM, james@... writes:


> Sorry to get a little off thread.  I was really asking just generally 
> about split tone sets, and if they could be profiled the same way a 
> mono set could, or if some special techniques were needed.
> 

Can't comment on how ProfileMaker deals with profiles for tinted B&W inks, it 
doesn't actually have features designed for that, but custom targets are an 
option in high end software like that, so what it does automatically, and what 
its capable of, with advanced twiddling, are different things. 

What you typically do is to NOT use ProfileMaker to build the profiles if you 
are using QTR; you use the EyeOne (or a PrintFIX PRO spectro, same general 
process) to take measurements for QTR linearization, and for CreateICC grayscale 
profiling. This does not automatically make tinted profiles, you have to get 
more advanced for that.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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Thanks C.D. for the answer.I'll have to saty with this inks,because I
think the 1160 won't run the UT3D. But I'll probably buy the PFP when
I go to NYC in September...
Thanks,
André
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> 
> There are actually more B&W specific functions in PrintFIX PRO than
in other 
> color profiling products. Since these inks can be used with the RGB
driver, in 
> appropriate color order, it should be possible to profile them with
PrintFIX 
> PRO, though that won't control the tone of non-toned inks like FSN.
I have not 
> heard (that I recall, at least) from anyone using your specific
combination, 
> but its certainly worth trying. Personally, I'd recommend the MIS
UT3D inks, 
> as they profile very nicely with PrintFIX PRO, and give you a nice
range of 

> controllable tints and crosstints via a PFP profile.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
> 
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