Digital BW, The Print

Hi,
I wondered if anyone had tried this paper and how they found it.

Reduction of the impact of our photography on the environment is, I am sure, something that will be of interest to many of us.

This paper is only single-sided and is bright white, unfortunately.

http://www.redrivercatalog.com/browse/greenpix.htm

100% post consumer recycled fiber 
Photo weight and thickness
Coated with top quality inkjet coating
Archival Quality Base Stock - Alkaline pH and Buffered for Longevity 
Process Chlorine Free (PCF)

thanks,
Richard
--
http://smallfield.vze.com
http://photos.smallfield.vze.com (Photos web site)
http://warkworth.vze.com/ (Warkworth photo essay)
http://picasaweb.google.com/rsmallfield/ (Recent work) 

   "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.
   It is the source of all true art and science."
   --Albert Einstein

The Green paper with the 1800 3-MK only hit 1.57 dmax, which put it a little
below the cut line.   Other than that, it was a nice paper.  It's not overly
bright, at Lab B = -2.  

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

  _____  

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Smallfield
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:33 AM
To: Digital BW Print
Subject: [Digital BW] Red River Greenpix recycled paper

 

Hi,
I wondered if anyone had tried this paper and how they found it.

Reduction of the impact of our photography on the environment is, I am sure,
something that will be of interest to many of us.

This paper is only single-sided and is bright white, unfortunately.

http://www.redriver <http://www.redrivercatalog.com/browse/greenpix.htm>
catalog.com/browse/greenpix.htm

100% post consumer recycled fiber 
Photo weight and thickness
Coated with top quality inkjet coating
Archival Quality Base Stock - Alkaline pH and Buffered for Longevity 
Process Chlorine Free (PCF)

thanks,
Richard
--
http://smallfield. <http://smallfield.vze.com> vze.com
http://photos. <http://photos.smallfield.vze.com> smallfield.vze.com (Photos
web site)
http://warkworth. <http://warkworth.vze.com/> vze.com/ (Warkworth photo
essay)
http://picasaweb. <http://picasaweb.google.com/rsmallfield/>
google.com/rsmallfield/ (Recent work) 

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.
It is the source of all true art and science."
--Albert Einstein

 



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I just discovered Red River Paper. Has anyone tried their Aurora
Natural, River Linen, LuxArt Satin Rag for BW printing? Or 3MK? 

Any comments on dmax or subjective feeling, banding, flacking etc. 

Many thanks,

Denis Bouchard

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> The Green paper with the 1800 3-MK only hit 1.57 dmax, which put it
a little
> below the cut line.   Other than that, it was a nice paper.  It's
not overly
> bright, at Lab B = -2.  
> 
>  
> 
> Paul
> 
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard
> Smallfield
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:33 AM
> To: Digital BW Print
> Subject: [Digital BW] Red River Greenpix recycled paper
> 
>  
> 
> Hi,
> I wondered if anyone had tried this paper and how they found it.
> 
> Reduction of the impact of our photography on the environment is, I
am sure,
> something that will be of interest to many of us.
> 
> This paper is only single-sided and is bright white, unfortunately.
> 
> http://www.redriver <http://www.redrivercatalog.com/browse/greenpix.htm>
> catalog.com/browse/greenpix.htm
> 
> 100% post consumer recycled fiber 
> Photo weight and thickness
> Coated with top quality inkjet coating
> Archival Quality Base Stock - Alkaline pH and Buffered for Longevity 
> Process Chlorine Free (PCF)
> 
> thanks,
> Richard
> --
> http://smallfield. <http://smallfield.vze.com> vze.com
> http://photos. <http://photos.smallfield.vze.com> smallfield.vze.com
(Photos

> web site)
> http://warkworth. <http://warkworth.vze.com/> vze.com/ (Warkworth photo
> essay)
> http://picasaweb. <http://picasaweb.google.com/rsmallfield/>
> google.com/rsmallfield/ (Recent work) 
> 
> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.
> It is the source of all true art and science."
> --Albert Einstein
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

The Red River Aurora Natural is a nice, smooth non-OBA paper similar to
Premier Art 205 (Epson Scrapbook), but the paper base is just slightly
whiter.  The dmax was about 1.62 with the 3-MK approach.  The brightened
version didn't make the cut at 1.56.  While it's not in your list, Polar is
like Premier Art's Matte BW, with a 1.69 dmax and very cold base.  I didn't
try any of the glossy papers due to my view that MK is not the right ink for
that surface.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

  _____  

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
the_des_bois
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:02 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Red River Greenpix recycled paper

 

I just discovered Red River Paper. Has anyone tried their Aurora
Natural, River Linen, LuxArt Satin Rag for BW printing? Or 3MK? 

Any comments on dmax or subjective feeling, banding, flacking etc. 

Many thanks,

Denis Bouchard

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> The Green paper with the 1800 3-MK only hit 1.57 dmax, which put it
a little
> below the cut line. Other than that, it was a nice paper. It's
not overly
> bright, at Lab B = -2. 
> 
> 
> 
> Paul
> 
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroark.com/> k.com/>

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _____ 
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard
> Smallfield
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:33 AM
> To: Digital BW Print
> Subject: [Digital BW] Red River Greenpix recycled paper
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> I wondered if anyone had tried this paper and how they found it.
> 
> Reduction of the impact of our photography on the environment is, I
am sure,
> something that will be of interest to many of us.
> 
> This paper is only single-sided and is bright white, unfortunately.
> 
> http://www.redriver <http://www.redriver
<http://www.redrivercatalog.com/browse/greenpix.htm>
catalog.com/browse/greenpix.htm>
> catalog.com/browse/greenpix.htm
> 
> 100% post consumer recycled fiber 
> Photo weight and thickness
> Coated with top quality inkjet coating
> Archival Quality Base Stock - Alkaline pH and Buffered for Longevity 
> Process Chlorine Free (PCF)
> 
> thanks,
> Richard
> --
> http://smallfield. <http://smallfield. <http://smallfield.vze.com>
vze.com> vze.com
> http://photos. <http://photos. <http://photos.smallfield.vze.com>
smallfield.vze.com> smallfield.vze.com
(Photos
> web site)
> http://warkworth. <http://warkworth. <http://warkworth.vze.com/> vze.com/>
vze.com/ (Warkworth photo
> essay)
> http://picasaweb. <http://picasaweb.
<http://picasaweb.google.com/rsmallfield/> google.com/rsmallfield/>
> google.com/rsmallfield/ (Recent work) 
> 
> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.
> It is the source of all true art and science."
> --Albert Einstein
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 



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Based on the mention of Red River here a few times I went back and have
taken a second look at their papers.  I must say the Red River Aurora
Natural is one heck of a bargain.  See
http://www.redrivercatalog.com/browse/auroranatural.html   It looks a lot
like Moab Entrada Natural, with a dmax that is a hair less, and a price that
is way less.  It's even less than the Premier Art 205 that I think is a
bargain.

 

Red River is now on my preferred paper list.  A set of QTR curves for R1800
3-MK workflow are posted at
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/QTR-R1800-RedRiverAurora.zip 

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

  _____  

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Roark
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:30 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Red River Greenpix recycled paper

 

The Red River Aurora Natural is a nice, smooth non-OBA paper similar to
Premier Art 205 (Epson Scrapbook), but the paper base is just slightly
whiter. The dmax was about 1.62 with the 3-MK approach. The brightened
version didn't make the cut at 1.56. While it's not in your list, Polar is
like Premier Art's Matte BW, with a 1.69 dmax and very cold base. I didn't
try any of the glossy papers due to my view that MK is not the right ink for
that surface.

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroark.com/> k.com/> 

_____ 

From: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
the_des_bois
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:02 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Red River Greenpix recycled paper

I just discovered Red River Paper. Has anyone tried their Aurora
Natural, River Linen, LuxArt Satin Rag for BW printing? Or 3MK? 

Any comments on dmax or subjective feeling, banding, flacking etc. 

Many thanks,

Denis Bouchard





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Having been impressed with Red River Aurora Natural on the 1800, I tried RR
"UltraPro Satin 2.0" with the PKN I have in the 260.  It's very impressive
-- a low reflective semi-gloss (RC I believe) surface that has no serious
reflective artifacts and doesn't even seem to show pizza wheel marks.  The
dmax is 2.45.  The surfaces of the paper are acidic, but the interior
appears to be buffered, according to my acid pen.  It seems similar to the
Epson Premium glossy types in that respect.  See
http://www.redrivercatalog.com/browse/cat=1&prod=20.htm   It's closer in
price to Costco than to the Epson Semigloss.  The 260 PKN QTR BO actual
picture image is probably better than what I've seen on either of these
other papers with any other printer I've used.

I've posted a new QTR profile for the 260 and Red River UltraPro Satin 2.0
at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/New-QTR-Profiles.zip  

For simplicity (for me) I'll start using this general zip file for new QTR
profiles for any printers.  Right now that means the 1800 and 260.  If
profiles are incorporated in QTR downloads I'll get them out of the zip file
to keep it reasonable.  If the printer type is not obvious from the file's
names, the printer names are inside the *.qidf files, which can be opened
with Notepad.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Paul,

I know you've used the 3mk on Arches #140Bright White HP.

I'd like to know if you've tried the NATURAL version.

I'm wondering if the dmax is the same (or higher!) as the Bright White 
version.

Thanks,
Scott

Paul, 

Have you tried printing on this paper with 3-MK?

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> Having been impressed with Red River Aurora Natural on the 1800, I 
tried RR
> "UltraPro Satin 2.0" with the PKN I have in the 260.  It's very 
impressive
> -- a low reflective semi-gloss (RC I believe) surface that has no 
serious
> reflective artifacts and doesn't even seem to show pizza wheel 
marks.  The
> dmax is 2.45.  The surfaces of the paper are acidic, but the 
interior
> appears to be buffered, according to my acid pen.  It seems similar 
to the
> Epson Premium glossy types in that respect.  See
> http://www.redrivercatalog.com/browse/cat=1&prod=20.htm   It's 
closer in
> price to Costco than to the Epson Semigloss.  The 260 PKN QTR BO 
actual
> picture image is probably better than what I've seen on either of 
these
> other papers with any other printer I've used.
> 
> I've posted a new QTR profile for the 260 and Red River UltraPro 
Satin 2.0
> at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/New-QTR-Profiles.zip  
> 
> For simplicity (for me) I'll start using this general zip file for 
new QTR
> profiles for any printers.  Right now that means the 1800 and 260.  
If
> profiles are incorporated in QTR downloads I'll get them out of the 
zip file
> to keep it reasonable.  If the printer type is not obvious from the 
file's
> names, the printer names are inside the *.qidf files, which can be 
opened

> with Notepad.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

>I know you've used the 3mk on Arches #140Bright White HP.
>I'd like to know if you've tried the NATURAL version...

I have not tried the Natural.  I assume it is warmer – could be interesting
for some uses.  

>Have you tried printing on [Red River Ultra Pro Satin 2.0] with 3-MK?

As with all glossy types of paper, Eboni MK will not stick.  Spraying might
nail it down, but I don't think it'd be worth the effort.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 


________________________________________

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
scott_now_coming
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:40 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Arches #140 w/3MK (was:Re: Red River Ultra Pro Satin
2.0)

Paul,


I'm wondering if the dmax is the same (or higher!) as the Bright White 
version.

Thanks,
Scott

Paul,

BTW thanks for the Red River profiles and comments. I already have
some on order. :)

I just had this crazy idea. If 3MK works for matte paper, could one
use 3 of the remaining channels for a 3PK glossy approach?

I know it would not be as pure carbon on cotton. But might be a 'nice
to have' for some?

Denis Bouchard

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> 
> >I know you've used the 3mk on Arches #140Bright White HP.
> >I'd like to know if you've tried the NATURAL version...
> 
> I have not tried the Natural.  I assume it is warmer – could be
interesting
> for some uses.  
> 
> >Have you tried printing on [Red River Ultra Pro Satin 2.0] with 3-MK?
> 
> As with all glossy types of paper, Eboni MK will not stick. 
Spraying might
> nail it down, but I don't think it'd be worth the effort.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> scott_now_coming
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:40 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Arches #140 w/3MK (was:Re: Red River Ultra Pro
Satin

> 2.0)
> 
> Paul,
> 
> 
> I'm wondering if the dmax is the same (or higher!) as the Bright White 
> version.
> 
> Thanks,
> Scott
>

Denis,

>... If 3MK works for matte paper, could one
>use 3 of the remaining channels for a 3PK glossy approach?

The 260 RC inks (bulk) are the ones I'd look at.  See
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R260.htm  for a description of the inks.
The PKN and PKC (cooler than the PKN) and midtone dilutions of them might be
very interesting in the 1800. I'd use QTR, not the Epson driver.  I suspect
the 1800 will band with just one channel, so it might take some
experimenting to see what makes the best combination.  I don't really think
the light midtones are needed with a 1.5 pl printer.  My first shot might be
to try the PKN with a couple neutral dark midtone channels.  Two bottles of
ink and three carts should be a reasonable start.  

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Paul, do you have any idea if the 260 QTR settings would work as 
starting points for my R220 with UT-R2 or are you using a totally 
different ink setup?  I haven't yet been able to figure out QTR to the 
point of having printable profiles with the R220.

>Paul, do you have any idea if the 260 QTR settings would 
>work as starting points for my R220 with UT-R2 or are you 
>using a totally different ink setup?

The 260 uses a new inkset with different dilutions and tones than the R2
inkset.  

> I haven't yet been able to figure out QTR to the 
> point of having printable profiles with the R220.

The only QTR profile I have for the 260 is for black only printing.  With
the full inkset installed, I use the Epson driver.  So, you might just start
with whatever 220 R2 settings work best for the Epson Premium glossy papers
or other similar ones.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com