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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mitch Greenwald" <migreen@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dilemma - 2200 or new printer?


Here's another perspective on the 2200 . . . I've been told by techs
who repair huge numbers of Epsons that the 2200 is a MUCH more solid
machine than the 2400 . . .    They recommend that anyone replacing a
2200 go right to the 3800, which is also considered (by them) very
reliable   The 3800 is  bigger, of course, and more money -- but not
hugely more than the 3800.

This is not to knock the K3 workflow . . .  just to state what some
consider a drawback of the 2400.  I know that Clayton and others love
the 2400 workflow, and I'm not in a position to disagree (not having
one).

Mitch


On Jan 4, 2008, at 8:09 PM, Eric Neilsen wrote:

> I have a 4800 and picked up a used 2200. Any Epson printer offering the
> current ABW printing options with a K3 ink set would be hard to beat.
> If you
> have one printer and want to get the most out of it, a 2400 would be
> the
> price point for you.
>
> $$ and cents allowing, use any old 2200 for BO ink set and have fun.
>
> Eric
>
>
> Eric Neilsen Photography
> 4101 Commerce Street
> Suite 9
> Dallas, TX 75226
> http://e.neilsen.home.att.net
> http://ericneilsenphotography.com
> Skype ejprinter
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> elwood@...
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:33 PM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dilemma - 2200 or new printer?
>>
>> If it were me I would get the 2400 and not look back. The K3 inkset
>> does a
>> great job with the Epson printdriver and is absolutely robust when
>> compared to the 2200. Even Jeff Schewe admits to the 2200 being one
>> of the
>> lemons in the Epson pie. I have had both and love the 2400. Reliable
>> and
>> consistent
>>
>> Woody Spedden
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: tom_email69 <tom_email69@...>
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 7:50:18 PM
>> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dilemma - 2200 or new printer?
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>             Lawrence,
>>
>>     I'm sure you will get a lot of good answers to your questions
>>
>> here.  Another good source is the Feb 2008 (current issue) of
>>
>> Shutterbug Magazine.  This entire issue is devoted to B&W Photography.
>>
>>     The article "A New B&W Inkjet Option" by David Brooks (whom I hold
>>
>> in high regard)discusses setting up some Epson printers to be able to
>>
>> print B&W using carbon inks and still use them a full time color
>> printers.
>>
>>     Hope you find this useful!  - Tom
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com, "Lawrence
>> Beals"
>>
>> <lbealsjr@.. .> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I have an odd sort of dilemma here. I have a new in the box (only
>>
>>> opened for inventory) Epson 2200 that I bought before the Navy
>>> decided
>>
>>> to re-prioritize my life. Now that I am retired I am looking to get
>>
>>> back into photography full time - I think the term is "selfishly
>>
>>> employed". Most of what I have shot in the past couple of years has
>>
>>> been split between weddings/portraits (which the printing for is
>>
>>> handled mostly off site) and personal projects, mostly B&W landscapes
>>
>>> and astrophotography.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> So should I break out the 2200 or ebay it to someone who already has
>>> a
>>
>>> 2200 workflow in place and buy a R2400 - especially since the local
>>
>>> CompUSA has a bunch of R2400s and they are going out of business.
>>
>>> Realistically, I would rather be out shooting than tweaking my
>>
>>> printers. After spending 26 years doing nuclear power (and computer
>>
>>> networking etc as a collateral duty) I am sure I can handled the tech
>>
>>> side of things but would just rather be out shooting than slaving
>>> over
>>
>>> a hot printer all day. I do want the ability to produce a print that
>>
>>> is acceptable for gifting and hanging personally on site.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> If I stay with the 2200 should I convert it right from the start to a
>>
>>> B&W inkset or just play with the OEM inksets until I sort of the
>>
>>> inevitable tech issues. I am using a MacPro desktop, but mostly
>>
>>> directly booted into Win XP along with CS3 and Lightroom.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> thoughts?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Lawrence
>>
>>>
>>
>>> --
>>
>>> --
>>
>>> Bear AKA Lawrence Beals
>>
>>> "The price of anything is the amount of life you exchange for it."
>>
>> -Thoreau
>>
>>> PIG DEAD. SOLDIER ON.
>>
>>> --
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> I have a 4800 and picked up a used 2200. Any Epson printer offering the
> current ABW printing options with a K3 ink set would be hard to beat.
> If you
> have one printer and want to get the most out of it, a 2400 would be
> the
> price point for you.
>
> $$ and cents allowing, use any old 2200 for BO ink set and have fun.
>
> Eric
>
>
> Eric Neilsen Photography
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> elwood@...
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:33 PM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dilemma - 2200 or new printer?
>>
>> If it were me I would get the 2400 and not look back. The K3 inkset
>> does a
>> great job with the Epson printdriver and is absolutely robust when
>> compared to the 2200. Even Jeff Schewe admits to the 2200 being one
>> of the
>> lemons in the Epson pie. I have had both and love the 2400. Reliable
>> and
>> consistent
>>
>> Woody Spedden
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: tom_email69 <tom_email69@...>
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 7:50:18 PM
>> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dilemma - 2200 or new printer?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             Lawrence,
>>
>>     I'm sure you will get a lot of good answers to your questions
>>
>> here.  Another good source is the Feb 2008 (current issue) of
>>
>> Shutterbug Magazine.  This entire issue is devoted to B&W Photography.
>>
>>     The article "A New B&W Inkjet Option" by David Brooks (whom I hold
>>
>> in high regard)discusses setting up some Epson printers to be able to
>>
>> print B&W using carbon inks and still use them a full time color
>> printers.
>>
>>     Hope you find this useful!  - Tom
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com, "Lawrence
>> Beals"
>>
>> <lbealsjr@.. .> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I have an odd sort of dilemma here. I have a new in the box (only
>>
>>> opened for inventory) Epson 2200 that I bought before the Navy
>>> decided
>>
>>> to re-prioritize my life. Now that I am retired I am looking to get
>>
>>> back into photography full time - I think the term is "selfishly
>>
>>> employed". Most of what I have shot in the past couple of years has
>>
>>> been split between weddings/portraits (which the printing for is
>>
>>> handled mostly off site) and personal projects, mostly B&W landscapes
>>
>>> and astrophotography.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> So should I break out the 2200 or ebay it to someone who already has
>>> a
>>
>>> 2200 workflow in place and buy a R2400 - especially since the local
>>
>>> CompUSA has a bunch of R2400s and they are going out of business.
>>
>>> Realistically, I would rather be out shooting than tweaking my
>>
>>> printers. After spending 26 years doing nuclear power (and computer
>>
>>> networking etc as a collateral duty) I am sure I can handled the tech
>>
>>> side of things but would just rather be out shooting than slaving
>>> over
>>
>>> a hot printer all day. I do want the ability to produce a print that
>>
>>> is acceptable for gifting and hanging personally on site.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> If I stay with the 2200 should I convert it right from the start to a
>>
>>> B&W inkset or just play with the OEM inksets until I sort of the
>>
>>> inevitable tech issues. I am using a MacPro desktop, but mostly
>>
>>> directly booted into Win XP along with CS3 and Lightroom.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> thoughts?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Lawrence
>>
>>>
>>
>>> --
>>
>>> --
>>
>>> Bear AKA Lawrence Beals
>>
>>> "The price of anything is the amount of life you exchange for it."
>>
>> -Thoreau
>>
>>> PIG DEAD. SOLDIER ON.
>>
>>> --
>>
>>>
>>
>>
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----- Original Message ----
From: tom_email69 <tom_email69@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 7:50:18 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dilemma - 2200 or new printer?










  


    
            Lawrence,

    I'm sure you will get a lot of good answers to your questions

here.  Another good source is the Feb 2008 (current issue) of

Shutterbug Magazine.  This entire issue is devoted to B&W Photography.

    The article "A New B&W Inkjet Option" by David Brooks (whom I hold

in high regard)discusses setting up some Epson printers to be able to

print B&W using carbon inks and still use them a full time color printers.

    Hope you find this useful!  - Tom



--- In DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com, "Lawrence Beals"

<lbealsjr@.. .> wrote:

>

> I have an odd sort of dilemma here. I have a new in the box (only

> opened for inventory) Epson 2200 that I bought before the Navy decided

> to re-prioritize my life. Now that I am retired I am looking to get

> back into photography full time - I think the term is "selfishly

> employed". Most of what I have shot in the past couple of years has

> been split between weddings/portraits (which the printing for is

> handled mostly off site) and personal projects, mostly B&W landscapes

> and astrophotography.

> 

> So should I break out the 2200 or ebay it to someone who already has a

> 2200 workflow in place and buy a R2400 - especially since the local

> CompUSA has a bunch of R2400s and they are going out of business.

> Realistically, I would rather be out shooting than tweaking my

> printers. After spending 26 years doing nuclear power (and computer

> networking etc as a collateral duty) I am sure I can handled the tech

> side of things but would just rather be out shooting than slaving over

> a hot printer all day. I do want the ability to produce a print that

> is acceptable for gifting and hanging personally on site.

> 

> If I stay with the 2200 should I convert it right from the start to a

> B&W inkset or just play with the OEM inksets until I sort of the

> inevitable tech issues. I am using a MacPro desktop, but mostly

> directly booted into Win XP along with CS3 and Lightroom.

> 

> thoughts?

> 

> Lawrence

> 

> -- 

> --

> Bear AKA Lawrence Beals

> "The price of anything is the amount of life you exchange for it."

-Thoreau

> PIG DEAD. SOLDIER ON.

> --

>





    
  

    
    




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> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
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> 
> If it were me I would get the 2400 and not look back. The K3 inkset does a
> great job with the Epson printdriver and is absolutely robust when
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> From: tom_email69 <tom_email69@...>
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 7:50:18 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dilemma - 2200 or new printer?
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> 
> 
> 
>             Lawrence,
> 
>     I'm sure you will get a lot of good answers to your questions
> 
> here.  Another good source is the Feb 2008 (current issue) of
> 
> Shutterbug Magazine.  This entire issue is devoted to B&W Photography.
> 
>     The article "A New B&W Inkjet Option" by David Brooks (whom I hold
> 
> in high regard)discusses setting up some Epson printers to be able to
> 
> print B&W using carbon inks and still use them a full time color printers.
> 
>     Hope you find this useful!  - Tom
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com, "Lawrence Beals"
> 
> <lbealsjr@.. .> wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > I have an odd sort of dilemma here. I have a new in the box (only
> 
> > opened for inventory) Epson 2200 that I bought before the Navy decided
> 
> > to re-prioritize my life. Now that I am retired I am looking to get
> 
> > back into photography full time - I think the term is "selfishly
> 
> > employed". Most of what I have shot in the past couple of years has
> 
> > been split between weddings/portraits (which the printing for is
> 
> > handled mostly off site) and personal projects, mostly B&W landscapes
> 
> > and astrophotography.
> 
> >
> 
> > So should I break out the 2200 or ebay it to someone who already has a
> 
> > 2200 workflow in place and buy a R2400 - especially since the local
> 
> > CompUSA has a bunch of R2400s and they are going out of business.
> 
> > Realistically, I would rather be out shooting than tweaking my
> 
> > printers. After spending 26 years doing nuclear power (and computer
> 
> > networking etc as a collateral duty) I am sure I can handled the tech
> 
> > side of things but would just rather be out shooting than slaving over
> 
> > a hot printer all day. I do want the ability to produce a print that
> 
> > is acceptable for gifting and hanging personally on site.
> 
> >
> 
> > If I stay with the 2200 should I convert it right from the start to a
> 
> > B&W inkset or just play with the OEM inksets until I sort of the
> 
> > inevitable tech issues. I am using a MacPro desktop, but mostly
> 
> > directly booted into Win XP along with CS3 and Lightroom.
> 
> >
> 
> > thoughts?
> 
> >
> 
> > Lawrence
> 
> >
> 
> > --
> 
> > --
> 
> > Bear AKA Lawrence Beals
> 
> > "The price of anything is the amount of life you exchange for it."
> 
> -Thoreau
> 
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On Jan 4, 2008, at 8:09 PM, Eric Neilsen wrote:

> I have a 4800 and picked up a used 2200. Any Epson printer offering the
> current ABW printing options with a K3 ink set would be hard to beat.  
> If you
> have one printer and want to get the most out of it, a 2400 would be  
> the
> price point for you.
>
> $$ and cents allowing, use any old 2200 for BO ink set and have fun.
>
> Eric
>
>
> Eric Neilsen Photography
> 4101 Commerce Street
> Suite 9
> Dallas, TX 75226
> http://e.neilsen.home.att.net
> http://ericneilsenphotography.com
> Skype ejprinter
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> elwood@...
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:33 PM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dilemma - 2200 or new printer?
>>
>> If it were me I would get the 2400 and not look back. The K3 inkset  
>> does a
>> great job with the Epson printdriver and is absolutely robust when
>> compared to the 2200. Even Jeff Schewe admits to the 2200 being one  
>> of the
>> lemons in the Epson pie. I have had both and love the 2400. Reliable  
>> and
>> consistent
>>
>> Woody Spedden
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: tom_email69 <tom_email69@...>
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 7:50:18 PM
>> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dilemma - 2200 or new printer?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             Lawrence,
>>
>>     I'm sure you will get a lot of good answers to your questions
>>
>> here.  Another good source is the Feb 2008 (current issue) of
>>
>> Shutterbug Magazine.  This entire issue is devoted to B&W Photography.
>>
>>     The article "A New B&W Inkjet Option" by David Brooks (whom I hold
>>
>> in high regard)discusses setting up some Epson printers to be able to
>>
>> print B&W using carbon inks and still use them a full time color  
>> printers.
>>
>>     Hope you find this useful!  - Tom
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com, "Lawrence  
>> Beals"
>>
>> <lbealsjr@.. .> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I have an odd sort of dilemma here. I have a new in the box (only
>>
>>> opened for inventory) Epson 2200 that I bought before the Navy  
>>> decided
>>
>>> to re-prioritize my life. Now that I am retired I am looking to get
>>
>>> back into photography full time - I think the term is "selfishly
>>
>>> employed". Most of what I have shot in the past couple of years has
>>
>>> been split between weddings/portraits (which the printing for is
>>
>>> handled mostly off site) and personal projects, mostly B&W landscapes
>>
>>> and astrophotography.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> So should I break out the 2200 or ebay it to someone who already has  
>>> a
>>
>>> 2200 workflow in place and buy a R2400 - especially since the local
>>
>>> CompUSA has a bunch of R2400s and they are going out of business.
>>
>>> Realistically, I would rather be out shooting than tweaking my
>>
>>> printers. After spending 26 years doing nuclear power (and computer
>>
>>> networking etc as a collateral duty) I am sure I can handled the tech
>>
>>> side of things but would just rather be out shooting than slaving  
>>> over
>>
>>> a hot printer all day. I do want the ability to produce a print that
>>
>>> is acceptable for gifting and hanging personally on site.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> If I stay with the 2200 should I convert it right from the start to a
>>
>>> B&W inkset or just play with the OEM inksets until I sort of the
>>
>>> inevitable tech issues. I am using a MacPro desktop, but mostly
>>
>>> directly booted into Win XP along with CS3 and Lightroom.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> thoughts?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Lawrence
>>
>>>
>>
>>> --
>>
>>> --
>>
>>> Bear AKA Lawrence Beals
>>
>>> "The price of anything is the amount of life you exchange for it."
>>
>> -Thoreau
>>
>>> PIG DEAD. SOLDIER ON.
>>
>>> --
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> I have a 4800 and picked up a used 2200. Any Epson printer offering the
> current ABW printing options with a K3 ink set would be hard to beat.  
> If you
> have one printer and want to get the most out of it, a 2400 would be  
> the
> price point for you.
>
> $$ and cents allowing, use any old 2200 for BO ink set and have fun.
>
> Eric
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> elwood@wsnconsult.com
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:33 PM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Dilemma - 2200 or new printer?
>>
>> If it were me I would get the 2400 and not look back. The K3 inkset  
>> does a
>> great job with the Epson printdriver and is absolutely robust when
>> compared to the 2200. Even Jeff Schewe admits to the 2200 being one  
>> of the
>> lemons in the Epson pie. I have had both and love the 2400. Reliable  
>> and
>> consistent
>>
>> Woody Spedden
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: tom_email69 <tom_email69@...>
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 7:50:18 PM
>> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dilemma - 2200 or new printer?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             Lawrence,
>>
>>     I'm sure you will get a lot of good answers to your questions
>>
>> here.  Another good source is the Feb 2008 (current issue) of
>>
>> Shutterbug Magazine.  This entire issue is devoted to B&W Photography.
>>
>>     The article "A New B&W Inkjet Option" by David Brooks (whom I hold
>>
>> in high regard)discusses setting up some Epson printers to be able to
>>
>> print B&W using carbon inks and still use them a full time color  
>> printers.
>>
>>     Hope you find this useful!  - Tom
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com, "Lawrence  
>> Beals"
>>
>> <lbealsjr@.. .> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I have an odd sort of dilemma here. I have a new in the box (only
>>
>>> opened for inventory) Epson 2200 that I bought before the Navy  
>>> decided
>>
>>> to re-prioritize my life. Now that I am retired I am looking to get
>>
>>> back into photography full time - I think the term is "selfishly
>>
>>> employed". Most of what I have shot in the past couple of years has
>>
>>> been split between weddings/portraits (which the printing for is
>>
>>> handled mostly off site) and personal projects, mostly B&W landscapes
>>
>>> and astrophotography.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> So should I break out the 2200 or ebay it to someone who already has  
>>> a
>>
>>> 2200 workflow in place and buy a R2400 - especially since the local
>>
>>> CompUSA has a bunch of R2400s and they are going out of business.
>>
>>> Realistically, I would rather be out shooting than tweaking my
>>
>>> printers. After spending 26 years doing nuclear power (and computer
>>
>>> networking etc as a collateral duty) I am sure I can handled the tech
>>
>>> side of things but would just rather be out shooting than slaving  
>>> over
>>
>>> a hot printer all day. I do want the ability to produce a print that
>>
>>> is acceptable for gifting and hanging personally on site.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> If I stay with the 2200 should I convert it right from the start to a
>>
>>> B&W inkset or just play with the OEM inksets until I sort of the
>>
>>> inevitable tech issues. I am using a MacPro desktop, but mostly
>>
>>> directly booted into Win XP along with CS3 and Lightroom.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> thoughts?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Lawrence
>>
>>>
>>
>>> --
>>
>>> --
>>
>>> Bear AKA Lawrence Beals
>>
>>> "The price of anything is the amount of life you exchange for it."
>>
>> -Thoreau
>>
>>> PIG DEAD. SOLDIER ON.
>>
>>> --
>>
>>>
>>
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> Hello Mitch,
> 
> >Here's another perspective on the 2200 . . . I've been told by techs  
> >who repair huge numbers of Epsons that the 2200 is a MUCH more solid  
> >machine than the 2400 . . .    They recommend that anyone replacing a  
> >2200 go right to the 3800, which is also considered (by them) very  
> >reliable   The 3800 is  bigger, of course, and more money -- but not  
> >hugely more than the 3800.
> 
> FWIW, I had a 2200 for 23 months when the paper feed mechanism died,
> and there have been several other similar reports over past couple of
> years.  That's the only weak point I'm aware of.  Otherwise it was a
> super printer.  My 2400 is now at 28 months and going strong, with
> nary a peep or whimper.  I don't doubt what they told you, but purely
> on mechanical terms for me the 2400 has outperformed the 2200.  
> 
> But surely they have reasons for saying that.  If you get a chance to
> talk to them again it would be nice to have some specifics
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>

>
> 
> The 2200 is a fine printer but use of alternative inks Vs OEM does put
> it at risk of clogging and the garbage heap. 
>

On 1/5/08 at 7:24 PM dlruckus wrote:

>I can't speak to the 2200 but I have used the original 1200 I bought
>for over 9 years now. It has never seen OEM inks. I've used all manner
>of third party inks in it including both color and black. These
>include G4s, Mis Archival and Pro, Mis original Quads, Pantone color
>inks, Mis VM and VMS quads, Mis DD black, Eboni, Mis UT series
>quad/hextone inks and last but not least, all sorts of self mixed
>dilutions and combinations of these as experimental ink sets. The
>machine is not even  close to being ready for the garbage heap. As I
>write this it is turning out a series of experimental quad/sepia split
>tone prints that are akin to lith prints. I have a 3000 and a 7000
>that have had similar use as well.
>
>As in all of what we do with this technology, it has a good deal more
>to do with thoughtful application and care than it does with risk.
>
>Regards
>Duane
>
>
>
>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "djon43"
><djon43@...> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> The 2200 is a fine printer but use of alternative inks Vs OEM does put
>> it at risk of clogging and the garbage heap. 
>> 
>
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On Jan 6, 2008, at 6:17 AM, Bob Frost wrote:

> Mitch,
>
>> They recommend that anyone replacing a
>> 2200 go right to the 3800, which is also considered (by them) very
>> reliable   The 3800 is  bigger, of course, and more money -- but not
>> hugely more than the 3800.
>
> No dearer if you take the extra ink into account. BUT, it all depends 
> on how
> much printing you do. If you are going to empty all the 3800 carts 
> within
> the stated 6months, then its a clear winner. But if you only do small
> amounts of printing, then the R2400 is the best bet.
>
> Bob Frost.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mitch Greenwald" <migreen@...>
>
> PS you seemed to have left an awful amount of rubbish on the bottom of 
> that
> post!!
>
>
>

>
> I can't speak to the 2200 but I have used the original 1200 I bought
> for over 9 years now. It has never seen OEM inks. I've used all manner
> of third party inks in it including both color and black. These
> include G4s, Mis Archival and Pro, Mis original Quads, Pantone color
> inks, Mis VM and VMS quads, Mis DD black, Eboni, Mis UT series
> quad/hextone inks and last but not least, all sorts of self mixed
> dilutions and combinations of these as experimental ink sets. The
> machine is not even  close to being ready for the garbage heap. As I
> write this it is turning out a series of experimental quad/sepia split
> tone prints that are akin to lith prints. I have a 3000 and a 7000
> that have had similar use as well.
> 
> As in all of what we do with this technology, it has a good deal more
> to do with thoughtful application and care than it does with risk.
> 
> Regards
> Duane
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "djon43"
> <djon43@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > The 2200 is a fine printer but use of alternative inks Vs OEM does put
> > it at risk of clogging and the garbage heap. 
> >
>

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djon43
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:36 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dilemma - 2200 or new printer?

 


3rd party ink experiences with 1200 and other antique ink machines
(1280/1270) are irrelevant to 2200 and more modern pigment machines. 

2200 requires much finer particle size and 3rd party inks commonly
clog it...some users have good luck, some don't...probably has to do
with erratic quality of all 3rd party inks (regularly reported with
MIS and Piezo and various cheapo Vs Epson pigments). 
 



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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djon43
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:56 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dilemma - 2200 or new printer?

 

Eric, this Forum contains excellent hard data...it's right here if you
really want it. 

Yes, 3rd party inks work beautifully for some, terribly for others..as
you yourself have just admitted (blaming the operator).

Happily for you, you never have clog problems with your third party
inks, and happily for me I've only had to do a cleaning routine twice
in 5 years with my OEM 2200 (whereas its MIS-using twin died). 

When I replace my 2200 I'll skip 2400 (less reliable) and go to its
successor or to 3800, or to the next generation of Canon, and I'll use
OEM.... 

...because my time's worth a lot more than ink savings.

Someone else's mileage may vary YMMV

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen"
<e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
>
> "probably has to do
> with erratic quality of all 3rd party inks"
> 
> 
> 
> Do you have any data to back that up? I would suspect individual
working 

 



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