Digital BW, The Print

I am a wet darkroom veteran trying to get my feet wet in digital B & W
printing.  I am not interested in prints bigger than 8x10 so the
higher end printers (R2400, HP 9180, Canon 9500, etc.) seem like
overkill for my amateur efforts. They are too big and too expensive.
  
After reading Paul Roark and others about the marvels of B & W
printing with cheap Epson printers I naively ordered a new R280 from
Epson and a set of Warm tone MIS UT-RC Ultratone cartridges from
Inksupply on the same day. At that time I had never heard of the Epson
law suit.  The printer is in the corner as yet uninstalled.  I got
back an email from Inksupply that there would be a temporary delay in
filling my order.  I called their customer support phone number but
got voicemail.  After an email back I received the following message:

"Unfortunately it seems as though these cartridges are effected by the
Epson suit with our supplier for the empty cartridges. Currently we
are attempting to receive a new batch of the R260 cartridges but it
may be another two weeks before they are received. We are sorry for
any inconvenience and thank you for your patience. Please contact us
if we may assist you in any way."

Does this mean that Epson cartridges will be scarce forever?
Even if they send these cartridges can I get more in the future?
Can they be refilled by me or by Inksupply?
Are there other viable alternatives that I do not know or understand?
Should I try to return the printer to Epson?    Please help.  Dave

Hello Dave;

Probaly the best work-around right now is to get a CIS (continuous 
ink system) from one of several sources. They use an auto-reset 
chip, so you don't need a resetter (which isn't available anyway) 
and you don't have to mess with refilling the carts. Others will 
jump in with their own favorite brands, but I'm currently using some 
Chinese import systems I found on eBay, with MIS bulk inks. It's 
been heaven, let me tell you-no clogs due to iterrupted ink flow in 
the heads, no re-filling, nada. Just print, and occasioanlly top off 
the ink tanks. Email me off-list if you'd like a link.

PS-the usual disclaimer: I'm just a satisfied user.

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dnclodfelter" 
<dnc@...> wrote:
>
> I am a wet darkroom veteran trying to get my feet wet in digital B 
& W
> printing.  I am not interested in prints bigger than 8x10 so the
> higher end printers (R2400, HP 9180, Canon 9500, etc.) seem like
> overkill for my amateur efforts. They are too big and too 
expensive.
>   
> After reading Paul Roark and others about the marvels of B & W
> printing with cheap Epson printers I naively ordered a new R280 
from
> Epson and a set of Warm tone MIS UT-RC Ultratone cartridges from
> Inksupply on the same day. At that time I had never heard of the 
Epson
> law suit.  The printer is in the corner as yet uninstalled.  I got
> back an email from Inksupply that there would be a temporary delay 
in
> filling my order.  I called their customer support phone number but
> got voicemail.  After an email back I received the following 
message:
> 
> "Unfortunately it seems as though these cartridges are effected by 
the
> Epson suit with our supplier for the empty cartridges. Currently we
> are attempting to receive a new batch of the R260 cartridges but it
> may be another two weeks before they are received. We are sorry for
> any inconvenience and thank you for your patience. Please contact 
us
> if we may assist you in any way."
> 
> Does this mean that Epson cartridges will be scarce forever?
> Even if they send these cartridges can I get more in the future?
> Can they be refilled by me or by Inksupply?
> Are there other viable alternatives that I do not know or 
understand?
> Should I try to return the printer to Epson?    Please help.  Dave
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven
Karafyllakis" <stevekphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Dave;
> 
> Probaly the best work-around right now is to get a CIS (continuous 
> ink system) from one of several sources. They use an auto-reset 
> chip, so you don't need a resetter (which isn't available anyway) 
> and you don't have to mess with refilling the carts. Others will 
> jump in with their own favorite brands, but I'm currently using some 
> Chinese import systems I found on eBay, with MIS bulk inks. It's 
> been heaven, let me tell you-no clogs due to iterrupted ink flow in 
> the heads, no re-filling, nada. Just print, and occasioanlly top off 
> the ink tanks. Email me off-list if you'd like a link.
> 
> PS-the usual disclaimer: I'm just a satisfied user.
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dnclodfelter" 
> <dnc@> wrote:
> >
> > I am a wet darkroom veteran trying to get my feet wet in digital B 
> & W
> > printing.  I am not interested in prints bigger than 8x10 so the
> > higher end printers (R2400, HP 9180, Canon 9500, etc.) seem like
> > overkill for my amateur efforts. They are too big and too 
> expensive.
> >   
> > After reading Paul Roark and others about the marvels of B & W
> > printing with cheap Epson printers I naively ordered a new R280 
> from
> > Epson and a set of Warm tone MIS UT-RC Ultratone cartridges from
> > Inksupply on the same day. At that time I had never heard of the 
> Epson
> > law suit.  The printer is in the corner as yet uninstalled.  I got
> > back an email from Inksupply that there would be a temporary delay 
> in
> > filling my order.  I called their customer support phone number but
> > got voicemail.  After an email back I received the following 
> message:
> > 
> > "Unfortunately it seems as though these cartridges are effected by 
> the
> > Epson suit with our supplier for the empty cartridges. Currently we
> > are attempting to receive a new batch of the R260 cartridges but it
> > may be another two weeks before they are received. We are sorry for
> > any inconvenience and thank you for your patience. Please contact 
> us
> > if we may assist you in any way."
> > 
> > Does this mean that Epson cartridges will be scarce forever?
> > Even if they send these cartridges can I get more in the future?
> > Can they be refilled by me or by Inksupply?
> > Are there other viable alternatives that I do not know or 
> understand?
> > Should I try to return the printer to Epson?    Please help.  Dave
> >
>
Thanks for your reply Steve.  I read somewhere that CIS was not a good
option for a low volume printer which I will be.  Is this true? I
guess I need to be convinced that this a good action for me.  Can I do
 black only printing?  How?
Dave

Define 'low volume' Dave. If you print a few prints every 2-3 days 
it'll probably be enough to keep the ink moving through and keep the 
head clean. Aside from the head issues, older generations of ink 
built up sludge in the tubes and eventually clogged them, requiring 
replacement.I haven't heard of any complaints to that effect for what 
we're using now, though I'm sure someone will contradict me soon 
enough.

These newer printers won't do BO with the Epson driver. You will need 
QuadtoneRip or another RIP to do it with any of the Claria printers. 
The previous generation-R200,R220, R240 and R300, R320, R340 Had a 
black only option, there is a chip re-setter available, and you can 
probably put together a set of refillable carts. I just checked eBay, 
and there are still a few NEW ones being offered-don't buy a used one.

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dnclodfelter" 
<dnc@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven
> Karafyllakis" <stevekphoto@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Dave;
> > 
> > Probaly the best work-around right now is to get a CIS 
(continuous 
> > ink system) from one of several sources. They use an auto-reset 
> > chip, so you don't need a resetter (which isn't available anyway) 
> > and you don't have to mess with refilling the carts.   

> >
> Thanks for your reply Steve.  I read somewhere that CIS was not a 
good
> option for a low volume printer which I will be.  Is this true? I
> guess I need to be convinced that this a good action for me.  Can I 
do

>  black only printing?  How?
> Dave
>

I am also concerned.
I just bought a R280 from Epson.
This is a hobby for me.
The printer cost $60. The set of inks for a CIS cost $300. Plus the CIS
setup.
This is not an option for me.
Bummer.

Please let me know if and when there is new information from MIS.

Mike J.

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Steven
Karafyllakis
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:51 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: No Ultratone cartridges for my new R280 at
Inksupply. How much trouble am I in?

Hello Dave;

Probaly the best work-around right now is to get a CIS (continuous
ink system) from one of several sources. They use an auto-reset
chip, so you don't need a resetter (which isn't available anyway)
and you don't have to mess with refilling the carts. Others will
jump in with their own favorite brands, but I'm currently using some
Chinese import systems I found on eBay, with MIS bulk inks. It's
been heaven, let me tell you-no clogs due to iterrupted ink flow in
the heads, no re-filling, nada. Just print, and occasioanlly top off
the ink tanks. Email me off-list if you'd like a link.

PS-the usual disclaimer: I'm just a satisfied user.

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dnclodfelter"
<dnc@...> wrote:
>
> I am a wet darkroom veteran trying to get my feet wet in digital B
& W
> printing.  I am not interested in prints bigger than 8x10 so the
> higher end printers (R2400, HP 9180, Canon 9500, etc.) seem like
> overkill for my amateur efforts. They are too big and too
expensive.
>
> After reading Paul Roark and others about the marvels of B & W
> printing with cheap Epson printers I naively ordered a new R280
from
> Epson and a set of Warm tone MIS UT-RC Ultratone cartridges from
> Inksupply on the same day. At that time I had never heard of the
Epson
> law suit.  The printer is in the corner as yet uninstalled.  I got
> back an email from Inksupply that there would be a temporary delay
in
> filling my order.  I called their customer support phone number but
> got voicemail.  After an email back I received the following
message:
>
> "Unfortunately it seems as though these cartridges are effected by
the
> Epson suit with our supplier for the empty cartridges. Currently we
> are attempting to receive a new batch of the R260 cartridges but it
> may be another two weeks before they are received. We are sorry for
> any inconvenience and thank you for your patience. Please contact
us
> if we may assist you in any way."
>
> Does this mean that Epson cartridges will be scarce forever?
> Even if they send these cartridges can I get more in the future?
> Can they be refilled by me or by Inksupply?
> Are there other viable alternatives that I do not know or
understand?
> Should I try to return the printer to Epson?    Please help.  Dave
>

You might want to ask InkRepublic if they sell the R280 CIS kit 
without their ink:

<http://www.inkrepublic.com/R260.asp>

I use this setup in my 1280 with MIS UT-2 ink and it's really quite 
good & low cost.





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Johnston" 
<wpajohnson@...> wrote:
>
> I am also concerned.
> I just bought a R280 from Epson.
> This is a hobby for me.
> The printer cost $60. The set of inks for a CIS cost $300. Plus the 
CIS
> setup.
> This is not an option for me.
> Bummer.
> 
> Please let me know if and when there is new information from MIS.
> 
> Mike J.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of 
Steven
> Karafyllakis
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:51 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: No Ultratone cartridges for my new R280 at
> Inksupply. How much trouble am I in?
> 
> Hello Dave;
> 
> Probaly the best work-around right now is to get a CIS (continuous
> ink system) from one of several sources. They use an auto-reset
> chip, so you don't need a resetter (which isn't available anyway)
> and you don't have to mess with refilling the carts. Others will
> jump in with their own favorite brands, but I'm currently using some
> Chinese import systems I found on eBay, with MIS bulk inks. It's
> been heaven, let me tell you-no clogs due to iterrupted ink flow in
> the heads, no re-filling, nada. Just print, and occasioanlly top off
> the ink tanks. Email me off-list if you'd like a link.
> 
> PS-the usual disclaimer: I'm just a satisfied user.
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dnclodfelter"
> <dnc@> wrote:
> >
> > I am a wet darkroom veteran trying to get my feet wet in digital B
> & W
> > printing.  I am not interested in prints bigger than 8x10 so the
> > higher end printers (R2400, HP 9180, Canon 9500, etc.) seem like
> > overkill for my amateur efforts. They are too big and too
> expensive.
> >
> > After reading Paul Roark and others about the marvels of B & W
> > printing with cheap Epson printers I naively ordered a new R280
> from
> > Epson and a set of Warm tone MIS UT-RC Ultratone cartridges from
> > Inksupply on the same day. At that time I had never heard of the
> Epson
> > law suit.  The printer is in the corner as yet uninstalled.  I got
> > back an email from Inksupply that there would be a temporary delay
> in
> > filling my order.  I called their customer support phone number 
but
> > got voicemail.  After an email back I received the following
> message:
> >
> > "Unfortunately it seems as though these cartridges are effected by
> the
> > Epson suit with our supplier for the empty cartridges. Currently 
we
> > are attempting to receive a new batch of the R260 cartridges but 
it
> > may be another two weeks before they are received. We are sorry 
for

> > any inconvenience and thank you for your patience. Please contact
> us
> > if we may assist you in any way."
> >
> > Does this mean that Epson cartridges will be scarce forever?
> > Even if they send these cartridges can I get more in the future?
> > Can they be refilled by me or by Inksupply?
> > Are there other viable alternatives that I do not know or
> understand?
> > Should I try to return the printer to Epson?    Please help.  Dave
> >
>

Good News!
My ink order (filled carts) shipped today.
Mike J.

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mike
Johnston
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:39 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: No Ultratone cartridges for my new R280 at
Inksupply. How much trouble am I in?

I am also concerned.
I just bought a R280 from Epson.
This is a hobby for me.
The printer cost $60. The set of inks for a CIS cost $300. Plus the CIS
setup.
This is not an option for me.
Bummer.

Please let me know if and when there is new information from MIS.

Mike J.

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Steven
Karafyllakis
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:51 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: No Ultratone cartridges for my new R280 at
Inksupply. How much trouble am I in?

Hello Dave;

Probaly the best work-around right now is to get a CIS (continuous
ink system) from one of several sources. They use an auto-reset
chip, so you don't need a resetter (which isn't available anyway)
and you don't have to mess with refilling the carts. Others will
jump in with their own favorite brands, but I'm currently using some
Chinese import systems I found on eBay, with MIS bulk inks. It's
been heaven, let me tell you-no clogs due to iterrupted ink flow in
the heads, no re-filling, nada. Just print, and occasioanlly top off
the ink tanks. Email me off-list if you'd like a link.

PS-the usual disclaimer: I'm just a satisfied user.

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dnclodfelter"
<dnc@...> wrote:
>
> I am a wet darkroom veteran trying to get my feet wet in digital B
& W
> printing.  I am not interested in prints bigger than 8x10 so the
> higher end printers (R2400, HP 9180, Canon 9500, etc.) seem like
> overkill for my amateur efforts. They are too big and too
expensive.
>
> After reading Paul Roark and others about the marvels of B & W
> printing with cheap Epson printers I naively ordered a new R280
from
> Epson and a set of Warm tone MIS UT-RC Ultratone cartridges from
> Inksupply on the same day. At that time I had never heard of the
Epson
> law suit.  The printer is in the corner as yet uninstalled.  I got
> back an email from Inksupply that there would be a temporary delay
in
> filling my order.  I called their customer support phone number but
> got voicemail.  After an email back I received the following
message:
>
> "Unfortunately it seems as though these cartridges are effected by
the
> Epson suit with our supplier for the empty cartridges. Currently we
> are attempting to receive a new batch of the R260 cartridges but it
> may be another two weeks before they are received. We are sorry for
> any inconvenience and thank you for your patience. Please contact
us
> if we may assist you in any way."
>
> Does this mean that Epson cartridges will be scarce forever?
> Even if they send these cartridges can I get more in the future?
> Can they be refilled by me or by Inksupply?
> Are there other viable alternatives that I do not know or
understand?
> Should I try to return the printer to Epson?    Please help.  Dave
>

My cartridges also shipped today.  Now I'll have to make some prints. 
What I do not understand is how MIS can ship these carts in view of the
Epson lawsuit result.   I hope that they will continue to be available
but that is a bridge to cross in the future.
Dave
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Johnston"
<wpajohnson@...> wrote:
>
> Good News!
> My ink order (filled carts) shipped today.
> Mike J.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mike
> Johnston
> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:39 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: No Ultratone cartridges for my new R280
at
> Inksupply. How much trouble am I in?
>
> I am also concerned.
> I just bought a R280 from Epson.
> This is a hobby for me.
> The printer cost $60. The set of inks for a CIS cost $300. Plus the
CIS
> setup.
> This is not an option for me.
> Bummer.
>
> Please let me know if and when there is new information from MIS.
>
> Mike J.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Steven

> Karafyllakis
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:51 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: No Ultratone cartridges for my new R280 at
> Inksupply. How much trouble am I in?
>
> Hello Dave;
>
> Probaly the best work-around right now is to get a CIS (continuous
> ink system) from one of several sources. They use an auto-reset
> chip, so you don't need a resetter (which isn't available anyway)
> and you don't have to mess with refilling the carts. Others will
> jump in with their own favorite brands, but I'm currently using some
> Chinese import systems I found on eBay, with MIS bulk inks. It's
> been heaven, let me tell you-no clogs due to iterrupted ink flow in
> the heads, no re-filling, nada. Just print, and occasioanlly top off
> the ink tanks. Email me off-list if you'd like a link.
>
> PS-the usual disclaimer: I'm just a satisfied user.
>
> Steve Karafyllakis
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dnclodfelter"
> dnc@ wrote:
> >
> > I am a wet darkroom veteran trying to get my feet wet in digital B
> & W
> > printing.  I am not interested in prints bigger than 8x10 so the
> > higher end printers (R2400, HP 9180, Canon 9500, etc.) seem like
> > overkill for my amateur efforts. They are too big and too
> expensive.
> >
> > After reading Paul Roark and others about the marvels of B & W
> > printing with cheap Epson printers I naively ordered a new R280
> from
> > Epson and a set of Warm tone MIS UT-RC Ultratone cartridges from
> > Inksupply on the same day. At that time I had never heard of the
> Epson
> > law suit.  The printer is in the corner as yet uninstalled.  I got
> > back an email from Inksupply that there would be a temporary delay
> in
> > filling my order.  I called their customer support phone number but
> > got voicemail.  After an email back I received the following
> message:
> >
> > "Unfortunately it seems as though these cartridges are effected by
> the
> > Epson suit with our supplier for the empty cartridges. Currently we
> > are attempting to receive a new batch of the R260 cartridges but it
> > may be another two weeks before they are received. We are sorry for
> > any inconvenience and thank you for your patience. Please contact
> us
> > if we may assist you in any way."
> >
> > Does this mean that Epson cartridges will be scarce forever?
> > Even if they send these cartridges can I get more in the future?
> > Can they be refilled by me or by Inksupply?
> > Are there other viable alternatives that I do not know or
> understand?
> > Should I try to return the printer to Epson?    Please help.  Dave
> >
>