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newbie needing guidance

2008-04-09 by run4alife@aol.com

this may sound dumb and as a teacher of social studies I always say there  is 
no such thing as a dumb question so hear it goes.......
I have been trying to print black and white pictures for a while now. i  have 
a Canon photo printer but it mixes color even when you want just black and  
white.
So i have been lurking here a while and reading that a Epson printer is  most 
likely the best way to go...so i bought one yesterday a Epson stylus Photo  
R280. Same problem...prints don't come out black and white...any  suggestions?
i tried grayscale with a photo setting for the paper still not black and  
white!
any help would be appreciated
Debbie



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Re: newbie needing guidance

2008-04-09 by Roger

It's not a dumb question.  The issue you're having is inherent with
all printers that don't have multiple black/gray inks. 

If it's possible to only print with the black ink ("black only") you
may be able to avoid the color casts but possibly at the expense of
smoothness.  If the driver doesn't have a black only checkbox there is
a shareware program called QTR which may make this possible.  Try a
search.

The other thing you can do is hope that a better printer profile can
make the color casts less obvious.  Sites like inkjetart.com and
Cathy's profiles can give you custom profiles for under $40USD.

If you're just looking for an affordable printing platform for casual
prints consider the HP 8450 or similar HP printers (7960, 8750) which
have multiple gray inks.  You'll be limited as to paper choice and I
don't think the inks are archival (I have a B&W print from a similar
HP from 2 years ago that has started to shift colors).

Otherwise consider one of the printers listed at paulroark.com which
can take a dedicated B&W inkset which is what I do with several Epsons.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, run4alife@... wrote:
>
> this may sound dumb and as a teacher of social studies I always say
there  is 
> no such thing as a dumb question so hear it goes.......
> I have been trying to print black and white pictures for a while
now. i  have 
> a Canon photo printer but it mixes color even when you want just
black and  
> white.
> So i have been lurking here a while and reading that a Epson printer
is  most 
> likely the best way to go...so i bought one yesterday a Epson stylus
Photo  
> R280. Same problem...prints don't come out black and white...any 
suggestions?
> i tried grayscale with a photo setting for the paper still not black
and  
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> white!
> any help would be appreciated
> Debbie
>

Re: [Digital BW] newbie needing guidance

2008-04-10 by Patrick Kealey

Debbie,
check this site out-Clayton is versed in the art of Black only printing.  www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm  I am not sure if he covers your printer but it is a site with excellent information.
Patrick

run4alife@... wrote:                             this may sound dumb and as a teacher of social studies I always say there  is 
 no such thing as a dumb question so hear it goes.......
 I have been trying to print black and white pictures for a while now. i  have 
 a Canon photo printer but it mixes color even when you want just black and  
 white.
 So i have been lurking here a while and reading that a Epson printer is  most 
 likely the best way to go...so i bought one yesterday a Epson stylus Photo  
 R280. Same problem...prints don't come out black and white...any  suggestions?
 i tried grayscale with a photo setting for the paper still not black and  
 white!
 any help would be appreciated
 Debbie
 
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Re: newbie needing guidance

2008-04-10 by Michael T. Murphy

> run4alife@... wrote:
>
> likely the best way to go...so i bought one yesterday
> a Epson stylus Photo  R280. Same problem...prints don't
> come out black and white...any  suggestions?

That is a great little printer. Excellent technology for very little 
money. If you happen to buy one when buying a digital camera you can 
get a rebate that makes them almost free.

Pual has a quick run-down on the different options - origional inks, 
black ink sets, QTR - on how to run b&w for that and similar printers 
at his web site:

http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R260.htm


The first question is whether you would like to/are able to use it as 
a dedicated B&W-only printer?

It sounds like you may want to do that, as you mention that you have 
the Canon.  

The next question is, what kind of prints do you want. Cool tones, 
neutral tones, warm toned? The ability to change or mix those? Matte 
paper or photo paper?

You might want to get a set that lets you mix or change from cool to 
warm if you are just learning. Then you can decide what you like.

When you are ready to buy inks, you have basic two options.  Get them 
pre-loaded loaded in carts, like the regular Epson inks, or buy a 
CIS - continous inking system - and buy bulk inks to laod in it.

Either will cost you about the same toatl amount of money to start.  
The CIS will be much cheaper in the long run.  My persoanl choice - 
and my advice - would be to buy a $50 CIS off of Ebay, then buy some 
bulk inks from MIS or whomever.

A set of 6 inks, with 4oz of each ink (about 120 ml of each 
dilution), will cost $108 at MIS (for the UT inks.)  

http://www.inksupply.com/r260_blackandwhite.cfm

The CIS will cost about $50 plus shipping. For a total of $160 or so 
you will have a system that produces great B&W prints, as good as 
what we are running in our $3,000+ printers.  

Pick a couple of good quality papers to start with.  Experiment with 
tones, converting color to B&W in Photoshop, etc.  By the time you 
use up the first set of inks you should have quite a bit of 
experience. Then you can decide what you like, and what to do 
for "next steps."  

Probably the only limitation of that set-up that might cause you to 
make changes later is the maximum print size, if you want to make 
larger prints.

Good luck!

Best,
Michael

Re: [Digital BW] Re: newbie needing guidance

2008-04-10 by run4alife@aol.com

Thank you everyone for the advice. It was really helpful and i looked at  the 
suggested websites.
i do know i l ike the cooler tones myself and i will be making this epson  
into a black and white only.
 
Years ago one of my favorite jobs was as a photo finisher. i printed all  the 
color enlargements from 5x7 to 16 x 20's. i also was responsible for all  
printing of black and whites. I loved it. it was a great job and i did it for 8  
or 9 years until of course everyone became enamored with hour printing.
 
It didn't pay much but the satisfaction of a job well done was great. As a  
teacher of 14 year old's you just don't get that same satisfication. : )
 
Thank you again for all  your help.
Debbie



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Re: newbie needing guidance

2008-04-16 by Michael Darnton

This may be well-known, but from looking around, I don't think it is:
just the other day I discovered that I can force my Canon printers
(6600D and 9000)to use only black ink by sending them greyscale files
(not desaturated RGB) and selecting "transparency" as the paper!

It's taking a little curve fiddling, but I can already see that the
results on Hahnemuhle pearl rag are coming out much more nicely than
what I used to get with my first-generation Piezography + Epson 1160
system a few years ago--very neutral, with a lot of presence--in spite
of being with only one ink. It may not be for the faint of heart, but
I think once I get it zeroed in I'm going to like the look.

--Michael



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, run4alife@... wrote:
>
> this may sound dumb and as a teacher of social studies I always say
there  is 
> no such thing as a dumb question so hear it goes.......
> I have been trying to print black and white pictures for a while
now. i  have 
> a Canon photo printer but it mixes color even when you want just
black and  
> white.
> So i have been lurking here a while and reading that a Epson printer
is  most 
> likely the best way to go...so i bought one yesterday a Epson stylus
Photo  
> R280. Same problem...prints don't come out black and white...any 
suggestions?
> i tried grayscale with a photo setting for the paper still not black
and  
> white!
> any help would be appreciated
> Debbie
> 
> 
> 
> **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel
Guides.    
>  
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