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ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-12 by Walker Blackwell

How many people want Epson Advanced Black and White ICC profiles? I'm  
thinking of building them for free for people to start an online  
archive.  I have a bunch of papers coming in and I will be doing ABW  
profiles for the 4800. (MK and PK)

I already have a bunch profiles that are up for free at http://www.blackpointeditions.com/abw 
  if anyone is interested.

Let me know here and I will give info and recs for this type of thing.

all the best,
Walker Blackwell
Black Point Editions, Ltd.
Cabot, Vermont

Re: ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-12 by Tyler Boley

well hell, so much for me charging $350 a piece for them...
Great idea Walker.
T

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walker Blackwell <forums@...> 
wrote:
>
> How many people want Epson Advanced Black and White ICC profiles? I'm  
> thinking of building them for free for people to start an online  
> archive.  I have a bunch of papers coming in and I will be doing ABW  
> profiles for the 4800. (MK and PK)
> 
> I already have a bunch profiles that are up for free at 
http://www.blackpointeditions.com/abw 
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>   if anyone is interested.
> 
> Let me know here and I will give info and recs for this type of thing.
> 
> all the best,
> Walker Blackwell
> Black Point Editions, Ltd.
> Cabot, Vermont
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-12 by Walker Blackwell

Really? I charge $450 for one! ;-) But seriously, I don't want to step  
on toes if people are making money around the profile thing.  I've  
seen an s-load of bad prints from my clients who are doing ABW and not  
color-managing. I end up giving them a gray-ramp and teaching them how  
to print the target and building them a profile all just so I don't  
have to mess with bad proofs constantly. In the long run it would be  
easier for me to just point them to a website and say, follow the  
instructions. I figure it would be easier for all of us. It's really  
fast to build ABW profiles so it wouldn't take much of my time.

In the long run, I want color managed ABW to become part of the  
printing culture just like ICC profiles are with color printing. So  
I'm trying to spread it big-time so it becomes common practice among  
not only technical people but every-day photographers that use ABW.

I've had really good results with ABW ICCs. I figure they could be  
spread around a bit.

Now I'm going to bed. I will wait for more feed-back before I start on  
something like this.

all the best,
Walker

[Digital BW] Re: ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-12 by Tyler Boley

I completely agree Walker, and was joking. No toes to be worried about here.
Go for it.

Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walker Blackwell <forums@...> 
wrote:
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>
> Really? I charge $450 for one! ;-) But seriously, I don't want to step  
> on toes if people are making money around the profile thing.  I've  
> seen an s-load of bad prints from my clients who are doing ABW and not  
> color-managing. I end up giving them a gray-ramp and teaching them how  
> to print the target and building them a profile all just so I don't  
> have to mess with bad proofs constantly. In the long run it would be  
> easier for me to just point them to a website and say, follow the  
> instructions. I figure it would be easier for all of us. It's really  
> fast to build ABW profiles so it wouldn't take much of my time.
> 
> In the long run, I want color managed ABW to become part of the  
> printing culture just like ICC profiles are with color printing. So  
> I'm trying to spread it big-time so it becomes common practice among  
> not only technical people but every-day photographers that use ABW.
> 
> I've had really good results with ABW ICCs. I figure they could be  
> spread around a bit.
> 
> Now I'm going to bed. I will wait for more feed-back before I start on  
> something like this.
> 
> all the best,
> Walker
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-12 by Michael King

Walker, the person whose permission you need is Roy Harrington whose
software you are using to create the profiles. He embeds a copyright notice
in every profile.

I've asked Roy twice about doing this in the last couple years and never got
a reply either time.
My conclusion was that Roy didn't want us doing this, but didn't want to
openly say no either.
It would potentially reduce his revenue stream for QTR Create ICC and as I
software developer myself I am very sensitive to these types of issues, so I
have held off making my ABW profiles available.

Mike




On 12/04/2008, Walker Blackwell <forums@...> wrote:
>
>   Really? I charge $450 for one! ;-) But seriously, I don't want to step
> on toes if people are making money around the profile thing. I've
> seen an s-load of bad prints from my clients who are doing ABW and not
> color-managing. I end up giving them a gray-ramp and teaching them how
> to print the target and building them a profile all just so I don't
> have to mess with bad proofs constantly. In the long run it would be
> easier for me to just point them to a website and say, follow the
> instructions. I figure it would be easier for all of us. It's really
> fast to build ABW profiles so it wouldn't take much of my time.
>
> In the long run, I want color managed ABW to become part of the
> printing culture just like ICC profiles are with color printing. So
> I'm trying to spread it big-time so it becomes common practice among
> not only technical people but every-day photographers that use ABW.
>
> I've had really good results with ABW ICCs. I figure they could be
> spread around a bit.
>
> Now I'm going to bed. I will wait for more feed-back before I start on
> something like this.
>
> all the best,
> Walker
> 
>


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Re: [Digital BW] ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-12 by CorrPro96@aol.com

In a message dated 4/11/2008 11:07:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
forums@... writes:

How many  people want Epson Advanced Black and White ICC profiles? I'm   
thinking of building them for free for people to start an online   
archive.  I have a bunch of papers coming in and I will be doing  ABW  
profiles for the 4800. (MK and PK)



I'd like to try them.
 
Richard Massie



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Re: [Digital BW] Re: ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-12 by Walker Blackwell

Roy. If you are reading this, let me know. I'd be willing to charge a  
nominal fee that we could work out per profile to keep your revenue  
stream up. What-ever is good for all of us and you. I don't want to  
make a profit on it, but if you need money per profile (because you  
spent labor creating the program) I'm sure everyone here would be  
willing to put a bit of money down to send to you.

The whole project is for the photographic community at large as far as  
I see it.

In that regard, how do paper manufactures build/distribute their ICCs  
for free? They aren't paying license fees to xrite are they? Those  
costs are extremely large, no? They would have to pay license fees if  
they were selling the profiles . . . .  This has been talked over in  
the past, so I will read through the archives.

Any suggestions on the legality of this would be nice. I can put a  
clause up on-line as well if that is wanted.

take care,
Walker

RE: [Digital BW] Re: ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-12 by Eric Neilsen

Walker, I'd be curious to know if happened to see a difference in print
quality with the newer Epson 4800 driver? You'll notice that the new driver
6.XX has the same interface look that the 3800 driver has. The old settings
cannot be brought forward into the new driver. New driver new internal ink
limits? Needing new profiles? 

 

Have you run any tests or seen any problems? I admit to being in a bit of a
hurry the other day and rather than have my system hang and require a reboot
several times to confirm that I needed to download a new driver, I followed
the advice of the screen and downloaded the new driver so Qimage would begin
working again. Before I did that I backed up my current saved settings;
Didn't matter though as Epson has a new format for the presets and I could
not import my old ones. After reloading the old driver on my laptop that
somehow got updated over the network and importing the ABW setting that I
had was I able to start printing again. Those numbers produced images of
substantially less ink. I'll be checking as the week goes along but for now
my fires are cooking other pots.

 

 

End of next week I'll be running more tests. So, I think that your system is
a great idea but you may need to break them into two groups, older driver
and those that are using the newer driver.

 

Eric 

 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen.home.att.net

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

Skype ejprinter

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Blackwell
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:38 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: ABW ICC Profiles

 

Really? I charge $450 for one! ;-) But seriously, I don't want to step 
on toes if people are making money around the profile thing. I've 
seen an s-load of bad prints from my clients who are doing ABW and not 
color-managing. I end up giving them a gray-ramp and teaching them how 
to print the target and building them a profile all just so I don't 
have to mess with bad proofs constantly. In the long run it would be 
easier for me to just point them to a website and say, follow the 
instructions. I figure it would be easier for all of us. It's really 
fast to build ABW profiles so it wouldn't take much of my time.

In the long run, I want color managed ABW to become part of the 
printing culture just like ICC profiles are with color printing. So 
I'm trying to spread it big-time so it becomes common practice among 
not only technical people but every-day photographers that use ABW.

I've had really good results with ABW ICCs. I figure they could be 
spread around a bit.

Now I'm going to bed. I will wait for more feed-back before I start on 
something like this.

all the best,
Walker

 



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Re: [Digital BW] Re: ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-12 by Walker Blackwell

There are new media tables but I wouldn't think they would put  
different ink limits in . . . That would screw up the entire print  
community at large, no?

I have updated one printer and haven't seen a difference when printing  
from PS. I think this is probably how the Epson driver interprets the  
source/output-space coming out of Qimage? I had this problem with  
Lightroom and networked 9600 drivers. The driver update fixed the  
problem.

Please do further tests (I will as well) and let me know if stuff  
changes. When (if) I start doing the project, I will put info up on  
driver version if we determine that ink limits are actually changing.

I'm printing out of CS3 for these profiles . . .

Walker




On Apr 12, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Eric Neilsen wrote:

> Walker, I'd be curious to know if happened to see a difference in  
> print
> quality with the newer Epson 4800 driver? You'll notice that the new  
> driver
> 6.XX has the same interface look that the 3800 driver has. The old  
> settings
> cannot be brought forward into the new driver. New driver new  
> internal ink
> limits? Needing new profiles?
>
> Have you run any tests or seen any problems? I admit to being in a  
> bit of a
> hurry the other day and rather than have my system hang and require  
> a reboot
> several times to confirm that I needed to download a new driver, I  
> followed
> the advice of the screen and downloaded the new driver so Qimage  
> would begin
> working again. Before I did that I backed up my current saved  
> settings;
> Didn't matter though as Epson has a new format for the presets and I  
> could
> not import my old ones. After reloading the old driver on my laptop  
> that
> somehow got updated over the network and importing the ABW setting  
> that I
> had was I able to start printing again. Those numbers produced  
> images of
> substantially less ink. I'll be checking as the week goes along but  
> for now
> my fires are cooking other pots.
>
> End of next week I'll be running more tests. So, I think that your  
> system is
> a great idea but you may need to break them into two groups, older  
> driver
> and those that are using the newer driver.
>
> Eric
>
> Eric Neilsen Photography
>
> 4101 Commerce Street
>
> Suite 9
>
> Dallas, TX 75226
>
> http://e.neilsen.home.att.net
>
> http://ericneilsenphotography.com
>
> Skype ejprinter
>
> _____
>
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of  
> Walker
> Blackwell
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:38 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: ABW ICC Profiles
>
> Really? I charge $450 for one! ;-) But seriously, I don't want to step
> on toes if people are making money around the profile thing. I've
> seen an s-load of bad prints from my clients who are doing ABW and not
> color-managing. I end up giving them a gray-ramp and teaching them how
> to print the target and building them a profile all just so I don't
> have to mess with bad proofs constantly. In the long run it would be
> easier for me to just point them to a website and say, follow the
> instructions. I figure it would be easier for all of us. It's really
> fast to build ABW profiles so it wouldn't take much of my time.
>
> In the long run, I want color managed ABW to become part of the
> printing culture just like ICC profiles are with color printing. So
> I'm trying to spread it big-time so it becomes common practice among
> not only technical people but every-day photographers that use ABW.
>
> I've had really good results with ABW ICCs. I figure they could be
> spread around a bit.
>
> Now I'm going to bed. I will wait for more feed-back before I start on
> something like this.
>
> all the best,
> Walker
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



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RE: [Digital BW] ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-12 by Eric Neilsen

Anybody that can make ICC profiles can make them to print neutral, sepia,
split tone, etc. So while there are those that offer software and hardware
to do this and those that charge for doing it, there is nothing to stop
someone from giving them away for free. Making good ICC profiles that can be
used to make images on a page appear as desired, color and B&W in all it's
tones, would benefit many. Q Image allows for that to happen. 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen.home.att.net

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

Skype ejprinter

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CorrPro96@...
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 7:20 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ABW ICC Profiles

 


In a message dated 4/11/2008 11:07:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
forums@walkerblackw <mailto:forums%40walkerblackwell.com> ell.com writes:

How many people want Epson Advanced Black and White ICC profiles? I'm 
thinking of building them for free for people to start an online 
archive. I have a bunch of papers coming in and I will be doing ABW 
profiles for the 4800. (MK and PK)

I'd like to try them.

Richard Massie

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Re: [Digital BW] ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-12 by Walker Blackwell

I will be building a default Neutral profile. This allows for minor-to- 
medium hue tuning in ABW as the driver re-maps K ink for each  
different hue angle. If people want ICCs for really extreme  
tonalities, they will need to go somewhere else if the ABW icc that I  
create doesn't work anymore.

I can create RGB ICCs for on-screen proofing, but this may very well  
be over-kill and confuse people.


Walker

Re: ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-12 by slcphoto73

I am not as knowledgeable as most of you-all here, but, representing
those of us who are lower in the learning curve than you, I have a few
questions that do not impinge on the legal issue:

- I would like to try your (Black Point Editions) 3800 HNM photo rag
profile, but is it for Natural or Bright White?

- Despite having read Eric Chan's 3800 Web site and following the
various links on it I still am not clear on how to use an ABW profile
once I have one. I only understand how to use profiles when Photoshop
manages colors, but I thought to use ABW I had to let the printer
manage colors? Anyone, a clear description would be a boon!

- I have been hunting and hunting for an understandable description of
how to create my own ABW profiles. I have an I1 spectrophotometer and
Harrington RIP and MeasureTool and I have read Giorgio Trucco's
explanation of how to use them, but the process of linearization still
escapes me. Does anyone know of a clear explanation? I'll buy a book
if I have to. Or pay for an online class. Or even attend a workshop,
though that would be more difficult.

Thanks for any help,

  - susan

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walker Blackwell
<forums@...> wrote:
>
> How many people want Epson Advanced Black and White ICC profiles? I'm  
> thinking of building them for free for people to start an online  
> archive.  I have a bunch of papers coming in and I will be doing ABW  
> profiles for the 4800. (MK and PK)
> 
> I already have a bunch profiles that are up for free at
http://www.blackpointeditions.com/abw 
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>   if anyone is interested.
> 
> Let me know here and I will give info and recs for this type of thing.
> 
> all the best,
> Walker Blackwell
> Black Point Editions, Ltd.
> Cabot, Vermont
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-12 by Walker Blackwell

The profile up there is for Bright White. I will put documentation up  
and correct names once I start the project . . .

Anyway, to create you own ICC profile, simply open the 51step tif in PS.
Print with no color management using your default ABW settings.

Let dry.

Open the 51step measure-tool file (click on the chart measure button  
and then "Open" go to the 51step file."

Then read in the file and export as lab.

Drag that Lab txt file over the CreateICC application. This will  
create a BW ICC profile. Drag this to your profiles folder and you are  
done.

When you print with PS through ABW, simple use the Profile as you  
would any normal color output profile.

Walker


On Apr 12, 2008, at 3:01 PM, slcphoto73 wrote:

> I am not as knowledgeable as most of you-all here, but, representing
> those of us who are lower in the learning curve than you, I have a few
> questions that do not impinge on the legal issue:
>
> - I would like to try your (Black Point Editions) 3800 HNM photo rag
> profile, but is it for Natural or Bright White?
>
> - Despite having read Eric Chan's 3800 Web site and following the
> various links on it I still am not clear on how to use an ABW profile
> once I have one. I only understand how to use profiles when Photoshop
> manages colors, but I thought to use ABW I had to let the printer
> manage colors? Anyone, a clear description would be a boon!
>
> - I have been hunting and hunting for an understandable description of
> how to create my own ABW profiles. I have an I1 spectrophotometer and
> Harrington RIP and MeasureTool and I have read Giorgio Trucco's
> explanation of how to use them, but the process of linearization still
> escapes me. Does anyone know of a clear explanation? I'll buy a book
> if I have to. Or pay for an online class. Or even attend a workshop,
> though that would be more difficult.
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> - susan
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walker Blackwell
> <forums@...> wrote:
> >
> > How many people want Epson Advanced Black and White ICC profiles?  
> I'm
> > thinking of building them for free for people to start an online
> > archive. I have a bunch of papers coming in and I will be doing ABW
> > profiles for the 4800. (MK and PK)
> >
> > I already have a bunch profiles that are up for free at
> http://www.blackpointeditions.com/abw
> > if anyone is interested.
> >
> > Let me know here and I will give info and recs for this type of  
> thing.
> >
> > all the best,
> > Walker Blackwell
> > Black Point Editions, Ltd.
> > Cabot, Vermont
> >
>
>
> 



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Re: ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-12 by arlenelove3@aol.com

I'd be very happy to have access to ABW  ICC profiles for my 7800 K3  
printer. Also, Although one is not supposed to print matte on H FAPearl, I find  it 
has so much more punch than the HPR which I regularly use. For those of us  who 
are not techies, the trial and error method gets very expensive and time  
consuming, so anyone willing to share their knowledge is on the road to  
sainthood. Thanks to all.
             
          Arlene
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-13 by Walker Blackwell

I am not offering free tech support here. Just free canned profiles to  
the community at large. For questions regarding MK or PK I will offer  
my response here or not depending upon how much time I have. (I have  
two full-time jobs it seems.) You can print MK on Pearl paper. When  
you print out the 51step gray swatch, however, please make sure that  
the deepest black patch is actually darker than any other patch. It's  
easy to over-ink on that paper with MK. If the patch is darker, I will  
build the ICC. If you are not sure, send it. If it's obviously  
lighter, I will not build the ICC because the quality would be  
compromised.

I am not offering a turn-around time between getting the swatch in the  
mail and uploading the ICC. Most likely I will be building these ICCs  
on the weekends so a next-week or nine-day turn-around is most likely  
what will happen. It could be sooner than that however.

I will be archiving and distributing the profiles for free at www.blackpointeditions.com/abw/

If you are looking for a profile, please send me a 51step wedge (the  
QTR one, you can find it at www.blackpointeditions.com/abw) using your  
default neutral ABW settings. Just make sure that when you visually  
inspect the 51 step wedge that the darkest patch is not over-inked and  
lighter than the next "lighter" patch. Otherwise, I won't build the  
profile.

Please send information regarding how your target was printed. I will  
put the information in a txt file along with the profile if the  
settings were different than the default needed media type.

If no information is included, assume that the media type settings are  
the same as if you were printing color, and that the ABW settings are  
default.

I will date each profile built. If a new profile is built for whatever  
reason, you will see the new date. All older profiles will be archived  
in the same download location.

Recs:

Make sure all of you nozzles are good and clean before you print!!!!!!!!
Print from Photoshop.
Do not color-manage the step wedge file. (When you open it in  
Photoshop, keep it Untagged Gray.)
Do not color-manage the print when sending it to the Epson driver.  
(Choose No Color Management in the Photoshop print window.)
Print at 2880 dpi if possible. (Please send me resolution data.)
High speed off.
Finest detail on.
Put the paper between archival tissue in a box or between card-board  
and seal the edges with tape before you send.
Send me information on media-type settings used when printing the 51  
step wedge.
Make sure that the profile has not already been created before you  
send it to me. Otherwise I won't build it.
Make SURE than you tell me if the print was made from a PC or Mac.  
This is important.

All prints can be sent to:

Walker Blackwell
Black Point Editions,
1243 Walbridge Rd,
Cabot, Vermont 05647
(802.735.0621)

wblackwell@...

Profiles can be found at http://www.blackpointeditions.com/abw  It's  
just a file-list right now, but it will be more soon.

Please email me or post here if you want to give feed-back on the  
profiles.

Custom profiles will not be made (I am only building each one once).  
These are "canned" in the sense that the first swatch that hits my  
desk will get its day under the Eye One. So for those early birds,  
they will get a custom made profile. If a profile is crappy, I will re- 
build. I will keep all of the submitted prints.

If Roy would like money per profile I am willing as long as those who  
are sending prints are willing to pay a nominal fee (nothing large.)  
If they aren't and he wants the money, I will switch to some other  
profiler like Argyll that does Grayspace profiles. (I will be  
experimenting with it to build these Grayscale profiles anyway because  
it does iterative patches.) Maybe somebody here can confirm its  
Grayspace quality?

In the mean-time, I think these profiles are needed in the community  
at large, just as the many QTR profiles are. So I am willing to do the  
work for free to see the Digital BW world get stronger for it. There  
is no profit motive in this work in any way shape or form. I see a  
lack of color management for the ABW system. I see an easy way to fill  
that lack. If anyone feels like they are loosing money for the work I  
am doing, please share your opinions here or with me privately. But  
don't wait. I will start this work in two weeks.

All the best,
Walker Blackwell
Black Point Editions, Vermont



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Re: ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-13 by Susan Chapin

You mean, once you have a BW profile:

 

  - You set the Photoshop print dialog to "Let Photoshop manage colors" 

  - In the Photoshop dialog you specify your BW profile as the printer
profile

  - In the 3800 printer driver dialog specify "color/no color adjustment"?
(That is, you don't use ABW in the printer?)

 

Or do you leave the printer driver where it was when you printed the step
wedge, that is, on ABW/"color controls"? Wouldn't that double-process the
colors?

 

  - susan the not-yet-up-to-speed new 3800 owner



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Re: [Digital BW] Re: ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-14 by Walker Blackwell

>
>
> On Apr 13, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Susan Chapin wrote:
> You mean, once you have a BW profile:
>
> - You set the Photoshop print dialog to "Let Photoshop manage colors"
>

Yes

> - In the Photoshop dialog you specify your BW profile as the printer
> profile
>
yes

> - In the 3800 printer driver dialog specify "color/no color  
> adjustment"?
> (That is, you don't use ABW in the printer?)
>

No. You select ABW. These are ABW profiles.

> Or do you leave the printer driver where it was when you printed the  
> step
> wedge, that is, on ABW/"color controls"? Wouldn't that double- 
> process the
> colors?
>

Make sure you are printing with ABW on at all times when using these  
ABW profiles.

> - susan the not-yet-up-to-speed new 3800 owner
>

take care, Walker

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Re: ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-15 by steveabrink

Walker, I'm planning on sending you a couple of wedges.  A big THANKS 
for doing this -- it certainly makes my life easier...
SteveB

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walker Blackwell 
<forums@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Apr 13, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Susan Chapin wrote:
> > You mean, once you have a BW profile:
> >
> > - You set the Photoshop print dialog to "Let Photoshop manage 
colors"
> >
> 
> Yes
> 
> > - In the Photoshop dialog you specify your BW profile as the 
printer
> > profile
> >
> yes
> 
> > - In the 3800 printer driver dialog specify "color/no color  
> > adjustment"?
> > (That is, you don't use ABW in the printer?)
> >
> 
> No. You select ABW. These are ABW profiles.
> 
> > Or do you leave the printer driver where it was when you printed 
the  
> > step
> > wedge, that is, on ABW/"color controls"? Wouldn't that double- 
> > process the
> > colors?
> >
> 
> Make sure you are printing with ABW on at all times when using 
these  
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> ABW profiles.
> 
> > - susan the not-yet-up-to-speed new 3800 owner
> >
> 
> take care, Walker
> 
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> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: ABW ICC Profiles

2008-04-15 by Walker Blackwell

Please make sure you follow my instructions in the email before the  
last one I posted to the DIGITBW group.

When you print the step wedge, make sure the image has no embedded  
profile.
In the print window, make sure that color management is OFF. You will  
only turn it to "Photoshop manages colors" when you are printing with  
the ICC profile.

Then print through your normal ABW settings in the printer driver  
window.

Also, it would be good if you print it just a bit bigger than the  
default size. It's a bit tricky to get my Eye One on the patches at  
the size they are now. You can do this directly in the print window  
(middle column) where you see print size.

take care,
Walker

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