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2008-04-21 by Richard Smallfield
Hi,
since getting a Dell Inspiron I've had a lot of trouble getting a good calibration from my Eye-One Display.
I wondered if anyone had any helpful tips.
thanks,
Richard
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Richard Smallfield wrote:
> Hi,
> since getting a Dell Inspiron I've had a lot of trouble getting a good calibration from my Eye-One Display.
>
> I wondered if anyone had any helpful tips.
>
> thanks,
> Richard
>
> --
> http://smallfield.vze.com
>
> "Do, or do not. There is no 'try'."
> --Yoda ('The Empire Strikes Back')
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>2008-04-21 by Eric Neilsen
Richard, I have had no trouble at all with mine; Dell XPS and an Eye One. Simple and spot on. Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 http://e.neilsen.home.att.net http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype ejprinter _____
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[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Smallfield
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:04 PM
To: Digital BW Print
Subject: [Digital BW] Calibrating a laptop display
Hi,
since getting a Dell Inspiron I've had a lot of trouble getting a good
calibration from my Eye-One Display.
I wondered if anyone had any helpful tips.
thanks,
Richard
--
http://smallfield. <http://smallfield.vze.com> vze.com
"Do, or do not. There is no 'try'."
--Yoda ('The Empire Strikes Back')
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-04-21 by Richard Smallfield
Can anyone explain why my monitor would brighten when I remove the Eye One from the usb port after the profile has been saved and Eye One Match closed?
thanks,
Richard
At 03:41 p.m. Monday 21/04/2008, you wrote:
>Richard, I have had no trouble at all with mine; Dell XPS and an Eye One.
>Simple and spot on.
>
>Eric Neilsen Photography
>
>4101 Commerce Street
>
>Suite 9
>
>Dallas, TX 75226
>
><http://e.neilsen.home.att.net>http://e.neilsen.home.att.net
>
>http://ericneilsenphotography.com
>
>Skype ejprinter
>
>_____
>
>From: <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>Smallfield
>Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:04 PM
>To: Digital BW Print
>Subject: [Digital BW] Calibrating a laptop display
>
>Hi,
>since getting a Dell Inspiron I've had a lot of trouble getting a good
>calibration from my Eye-One Display.
>
>I wondered if anyone had any helpful tips.
>
>thanks,
>Richard
>
>--
><http://smallfield.>http://smallfield. <http://smallfield.vze.com> vze.com
>
>"Do, or do not. There is no 'try'."
>--Yoda ('The Empire Strikes Back')
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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"I never resist temptation, because I have found that things
that are bad for me do not tempt me."
--George Bernard Shaw2008-04-21 by Photograph
My guess would be that it is not saving the profile as default. Suggest you go into screen properties and set the profile you created with the eye-one as default. Paul On 4/20/08 11:42 PM, "Richard Smallfield" <r.smallfield@...> wrote:
> Can anyone explain why my monitor would brighten when I remove the Eye One
> from the usb port after the profile has been saved and Eye One Match closed?
>
> thanks,
> Richard
>
> At 03:41 p.m. Monday 21/04/2008, you wrote:
>
>> Richard, I have had no trouble at all with mine; Dell XPS and an Eye One.
>> Simple and spot on.
>>
>> Eric Neilsen Photography
>>
>> 4101 Commerce Street
>>
>> Suite 9
>>
>> Dallas, TX 75226
>>
>> <http://e.neilsen.home.att.net>http://e.neilsen.home.att.net
>>
>> http://ericneilsenphotography.com
>>
>> Skype ejprinter
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From:
>> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>DigitalBlackandWhiteTh
>> ePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>> Smallfield
>> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:04 PM
>> To: Digital BW Print
>> Subject: [Digital BW] Calibrating a laptop display
>>
>> Hi,
>> since getting a Dell Inspiron I've had a lot of trouble getting a good
>> calibration from my Eye-One Display.
>>
>> I wondered if anyone had any helpful tips.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Richard
>>
>> --
>> <http://smallfield.>http://smallfield. <http://smallfield.vze.com> vze.com
>>
>> "Do, or do not. There is no 'try'."
>> --Yoda ('The Empire Strikes Back')
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
> --
> http://smallfield.vze.com
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>2008-04-21 by Paul D. DeRocco
> From: Richard Smallfield > > Can anyone explain why my monitor would brighten when I remove > the Eye One from the usb port after the profile has been saved > and Eye One Match closed? Could there be some other program fighting with it for control over the video card palette? That could either be some other color management program like Adobe Gamma, or could be some video card related utility. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco@...
2008-04-21 by Louis Dina
Richard, Try downloading the free DisplayProfile.exe program from the Xrite site. It allows you to load different profiles on the fly, and it will show you if your latest profile is in fact loaded. As someone else mention, be sure you are using the EyeOne LUT loader and have disabled or removed other loaders that might conflict, including Adobe Gamma Loader. Lou --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@...> wrote: > > Hi, > since getting a Dell Inspiron I've had a lot of trouble getting a good calibration from my Eye-One Display.
>
> I wondered if anyone had any helpful tips.
>
> thanks,
> Richard
>
> --
> http://smallfield.vze.com
>
> "Do, or do not. There is no 'try'."
> --Yoda ('The Empire Strikes Back')
>2008-04-21 by Richard Smallfield
Hi Lou,
I've looked at the X-Rite site but can't find the file - maybe they've removed it? If anyone has a link could you possibly sent it to me?
Thanks for the tip about the I1 LUT Loader - how do I check that?
Further info on this problem:
This started happening after I tried adjusting the settings in the graphics driver prior to calibration - but, having returned the system to its defaults, the problem has remained.
PS - Very strange and interesting: I've just installed LUT_Tester that I think I got from X-Rite - it checks if your video card is compatible with look up tables. When I click on 'Test' the profile is re-loaded.
So in the meantime I have a work-around. Just click on that program when I start the PC every day.
Looks like it's a Windows Vista problem then?
thanks,
Richard
At 05:51 a.m. Tuesday 22/04/2008, you wrote:
>Richard,
>
>Try downloading the free DisplayProfile.exe program from the Xrite
>site. It allows you to load different profiles on the fly, and it
>will show you if your latest profile is in fact loaded.
>
>As someone else mention, be sure you are using the EyeOne LUT loader
>and have disabled or removed other loaders that might conflict,
>including Adobe Gamma Loader.
>
>Lou
>
>--- In <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard
>Smallfield <r.smallfield@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> since getting a Dell Inspiron I've had a lot of trouble getting a
>good calibration from my Eye-One Display.
>>
>> I wondered if anyone had any helpful tips.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Richard
>>
>> --
>> <http://smallfield.vze.com>http://smallfield.vze.com
>>
>> "Do, or do not. There is no 'try'."
>> --Yoda ('The Empire Strikes Back')
>>
>
>
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At 01:51 PM 4/21/2008, Louis Dina wrote:
>Richard,
>
>Try downloading the free DisplayProfile.exe program from the Xrite
>site. It allows you to load different profiles on the fly, and it
>will show you if your latest profile is in fact loaded.
>
>As someone else mention, be sure you are using the EyeOne LUT loader
>and have disabled or removed other loaders that might conflict,
>including Adobe Gamma Loader.
1. i couldn't find DisplayProfile.exe on the xrite.exe site.
2. How can I be sure that I'm using the EyeOne LUT loader?
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Richard, Try this link and see if it works. http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?ID=757&Action=support&SoftwareID=539 Lou --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@...> wrote: > > Hi Lou, > I've looked at the X-Rite site but can't find the file - maybe they've removed it? If anyone has a link could you possibly sent it to me? > > Thanks for the tip about the I1 LUT Loader - how do I check that? > > Further info on this problem: > > This started happening after I tried adjusting the settings in the graphics driver prior to calibration - but, having returned the system to its defaults, the problem has remained. > > PS - Very strange and interesting: I've just installed LUT_Tester that I think I got from X-Rite - it checks if your video card is compatible with look up tables. When I click on 'Test' the profile is re-loaded. > > So in the meantime I have a work-around. Just click on that program when I start the PC every day. > > Looks like it's a Windows Vista problem then? > > thanks, > Richard > > > At 05:51 a.m. Tuesday 22/04/2008, you wrote: > > >Richard, > > > >Try downloading the free DisplayProfile.exe program from the Xrite > >site. It allows you to load different profiles on the fly, and it > >will show you if your latest profile is in fact loaded. > > > >As someone else mention, be sure you are using the EyeOne LUT loader > >and have disabled or removed other loaders that might conflict, > >including Adobe Gamma Loader. > > > >Lou > > > >--- In <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard
> >Smallfield <r.smallfield@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> since getting a Dell Inspiron I've had a lot of trouble getting a
> >good calibration from my Eye-One Display.
> >>
> >> I wondered if anyone had any helpful tips.
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> Richard
> >>
> >> --
> >> <http://smallfield.vze.com>http://smallfield.vze.com
> >>
> >> "Do, or do not. There is no 'try'."
> >> --Yoda ('The Empire Strikes Back')
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> http://smallfield.vze.com
>
> Darling! Will you be my first wife?
> Spike Milligan, 'Mussolini, His Part in My Downfall.'
>2008-04-21 by Richard Smallfield
At 10:42 a.m. Tuesday 22/04/2008, you wrote: >Richard, Try this link and see if it works. ><http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?ID=757&Action=support&SoftwareID=539>http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?ID=757&Action=support&SoftwareID=539 Thanks Lou, yes it works. Richard -- http://smallfield.vze.com "Laughter is the closest distance between two people." --Victor Borge
2008-04-26 by ncmphoto
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote: > > Richard, I have had no trouble at all with mine; Dell XPS and an Eye One. > Simple and spot on. Sorry for butting in, but I'm curious. Though I have no problem calibrating my G4 PowerBook screen with Spyder3 Elite from Colorvision, I am wondering whether laptop screens have improved dramatically in the last 3 years. The problem with editing photos using a laptop screen is that the image becomes lighter/darker depending on the angle of view (how far open the cover is). So how can one get consistency in image editing? I find the laptop essential while travelling and have edited images on it when needed and far from home and my main computer and screen, but I'm never sure exactly what I'm getting. Is your experience different? cheers, ncm
2008-04-26 by CDTobie@aol.com
In a message dated 4/26/08 8:17:13 AM, ncmlist@... writes:
> Though I have no problem calibrating my G4 PowerBook
> screen with Spyder3 Elite from Colorvision, I am wondering whether laptop
> screens have
> improved dramatically in the last 3 years. The problem with editing photos
> using a laptop
> screen is that the image becomes lighter/darker depending on the angle of
> view (how far
> open the cover is). So how can one get consistency in image editing?
>
Laptop viewing angle is intentionally limited; that way they can appear
bright, while not using too much battery power illuminating the whole room. The
result is you have to be directly in front of them for accuracy, and you are
always left wondering if you got the degree of shadow detail right. I find I can
print an image without any test prints from a desktop LCD; I may need at least
one test print before getting it right with a laptop. The price we pay for
portability.
BTW, we reduced the viewing angle of the Spyder3, which means it offers
improved laptop (and low cost desktop) profiling over Spyder2, Huey, and other wide
viewing angle sensors.
C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/Spyder3
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-04-26 by E Neilsen
NCM, Any screen, data, output requires SOME interpretation. There are of course limits on what the screen can show at different angles; THAT is a given in laptop land. The color and contrast are key to me. I have heard for YEARS that laptops can not be used to edit photos. It is simply not true. Are they as good as a good CRT, Flat panel, etc? NO, but you use what you have. My laptop is a 4 year old XPS. I used it as my main editing computer for several years; both before and after I bought my PFP Suite which has the Spyder 2. Eric Neilsen Photo 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 214 827-8301 http://ericneilsenphotography.com SKype ejprinter _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ncmphoto Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 7:17 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Calibrating a laptop display --- In DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote: > > Richard, I have had no trouble at all with mine; Dell XPS and an Eye One. > Simple and spot on. Sorry for butting in, but I'm curious. Though I have no problem calibrating my G4 PowerBook screen with Spyder3 Elite from Colorvision, I am wondering whether laptop screens have improved dramatically in the last 3 years. The problem with editing photos using a laptop screen is that the image becomes lighter/darker depending on the angle of view (how far open the cover is). So how can one get consistency in image editing? I find the laptop essential while travelling and have edited images on it when needed and far from home and my main computer and screen, but I'm never sure exactly what I'm getting. Is your experience different? cheers, ncm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-04-27 by Richard Smallfield
Hi, I have improved my Dell Inspiron laptop calibration *drastically* by selecting "native white point", after reading some help files on X-Rite's site. Also I wondered how your results with the Spyder 2 compare with the Eye-One Display, Eric. The Printfix Pro suite is now undercutting the ColorMunki by a considerable margin, so it is on my shopping list at present. Richard At 05:48 a.m. Sunday 27/04/2008, you wrote: >NCM, Any screen, data, output requires SOME interpretation. There are of >course limits on what the screen can show at different angles; THAT is a >given in laptop land. The color and contrast are key to me. I have heard for >YEARS that laptops can not be used to edit photos. It is simply not true. >Are they as good as a good CRT, Flat panel, etc? NO, but you use what you >have. My laptop is a 4 year old XPS. I used it as my main editing computer >for several years; both before and after I bought my PFP Suite which has the >Spyder 2. > >Eric Neilsen Photo -- http://smallfield.vze.com Friendship is like peeing in your pants - Everyone can see it, But only you can feel the true warmth of it.
2008-04-28 by TFielder
David, I have a new 13" MacBook and a new 20" iMac desktop. Can both monitors be adjusted and will both benefit from the Spyder3? I also understand that I should be able to add an external monitor to the iMac. Do you have an opinion on the best monitor to add for photo-editing? Many thanks, Tom -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/26/08 8:17:13 AM, ncmlist@... writes: > > > > Though I have no problem calibrating my G4 PowerBook > > screen with Spyder3 Elite from Colorvision, I am wondering whether laptop > > screens have > > improved dramatically in the last 3 years. The problem with editing photos > > using a laptop > > screen is that the image becomes lighter/darker depending on the angle of > > view (how far > > open the cover is). So how can one get consistency in image editing? > > > > Laptop viewing angle is intentionally limited; that way they can appear > bright, while not using too much battery power illuminating the whole room. The > result is you have to be directly in front of them for accuracy, and you are > always left wondering if you got the degree of shadow detail right. I find I can > print an image without any test prints from a desktop LCD; I may need at least > one test print before getting it right with a laptop. The price we pay for > portability. > > BTW, we reduced the viewing angle of the Spyder3, which means it offers > improved laptop (and low cost desktop) profiling over Spyder2, Huey, and other wide
> viewing angle sensors. > > C. David Tobie > WW Product Technology Manager > Digital Imaging & Home Theater > Datacolor > CDTobie@... > www.datacolor.com/Spyder3 > > > ************** > Need a new ride? Check out the largest > site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2008-04-28 by CDTobie@aol.com
In a message dated 4/28/08 8:46:06 AM, tfielder@... writes:
> I have a new 13" MacBook and a new 20" iMac desktop. Can both
> monitors be adjusted and will both benefit from the Spyder3?
>
Yes, and no. A calibration system can't make a graphics quality screen out of
a consumer quality screen. The new 20" iMac is a consumer screen. It cannot
be dimmed enough to offer full range of tones at appropriate color managed
lighting levels. I describe it this way: Apple's Cinema Displays are the threshold
of quality graphics displays, I recommend them to anyone who does not want to
spend more on advanced graphics displays. The New 24" iMac is an intermediate
grade display; not ideal for serious graphics work, but certainly usable. The
new 20" iMac is a consumer quality display, not a smaller version of the
screen i the 24" iMac. It is visibly variable from corner to corner, has minimal
dimmability, and should really not be used for serious photo editing of
graphics work. This is all assuming that the latest iMacs have faster processors, but
the same screens they've had for the last year. I'd love to hear otherwise,
but I can't imagine that Apple silently moved to a more expensive screen type
for either model, they would note it in their improvements if they did.
>
> I also understand that I should be able to add an external monitor to
> the iMac. Do you have an opinion on the best monitor to add for
> photo-editing?
>
I would certainly recommend an external display for photo editing, yes (see
above!). As for what one, the answer is the most expensive (not the largest;
thats inverse!) graphics display you can afford. Again, if you aren't going to
spend more, then a Cinema Display would be a good starting point. Beware that
having that bright iMac screen next to your dimmable graphics display will be a
problem as well... the iMac will capture your eye's white balance and set
your pupil's diameter, and otherwise interfere with seeing the right thing on the
good screen.
C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/Spyder3
**************
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-04-28 by ncmphoto
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "E Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote: > > NCM, Any screen, data, output requires SOME interpretation. There are of > course limits on what the screen can show at different angles; THAT is a > given in laptop land. The color and contrast are key to me. I have heard for > YEARS that laptops can not be used to edit photos. It is simply not true. > Are they as good as a good CRT, Flat panel, etc? NO, but you use what you > have. My laptop is a 4 year old XPS. I used it as my main editing computer > for several years; both before and after I bought my PFP Suite which has the > Spyder 2. Yeah, I suppose what you're used to can work, even if it's not the ideal solution. I guess my problem is that I do most of my editing on a desktop Mac and Apple Cinema display, and rarely use the laptop for that purpose, so I find the huge difference in tonality based on angle of view very frustrating. At home one can have the laptop open to the correct angle and height easily using a laptop stand or whatever, but it's pot luck when travelling and you have no idea before you get there what surface will be available. On the other hand, way back when I was using a CRT and the original Piezography inks with no hw calibration, I reached a point where I knew what my screen image would look like on paper and rarely had to do a second print. Thanks to you and Mr. Tobie for your replies. cheers, ncm
2008-04-29 by Richard Smallfield
Hi, having got my Epson back from the service people, I plugged it in ... and lost my monitor calibration again. Very odd - seems like a call to Dell is needed. Anyway, I wondered, re monitor calibration, should one leave the graphics card adjustments alone (set to Default) and leave everything to the monitor calibration device (Eye-One Display in my case) or is it ok to use the adjustments in the graphics card settings to fine-tune the brightness when running i1 Match? Is there a conflict here? The last calibration I did I used the Fn-arrow keys to set the monitor brightness which is very crude, but in the end the gamma was pretty close to what it should be when the profile had been made. I can't use Easy mode because the cd/m2 has been as much as 17 points out when I do that - and they say the max that is ok is 5 points. thanks, Richard -- http://smallfield.vze.com "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is." --Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut
2008-04-30 by CDTobie@aol.com
In a message dated 4/29/08 4:04:57 PM, r.smallfield@... writes:
> Anyway, I wondered, re monitor calibration, should one leave the graphics
> card adjustments alone (set to Default) and leave everything to the monitor
> calibration device (Eye-One Display in my case) or is it ok to use the
> adjustments in the graphics card settings to fine-tune the brightness when running i1
> Match?
>
> Is there a conflict here?
>
Yes, typically the graphics card software makes adjustments by overwriting
the display calibration corrections, which is why it is recommended that you not
use any graphics card software if you calibrate your displays.
C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-05-04 by CDTobie@aol.com
In a message dated 5/3/08 11:35:30 PM, r.smallfield@... writes:
> Another question for you: i1 Match recommends 100cd/m2 for CRT but only
> 90cd/m2 for laptops - why is this? Surely it's only the display brightness in
> relation to ambient light that is the determinant of the correct luminance?
>
How Match decides on luminances has always been a bit of a mystery to me; but
I don't give advice on competing products, it would not be fair to them.
Globally: If you use the laptop and the desktop side by side, and both will
reach the luminance you desire, set them both the same. If your laptop wanders
the globe, and gets used in uncontrolled environments (like mine) set it
nearly as high as it will go... and dim it on those rare occasions when you are in
reasonable lighting. This violates a couple theoretical principles, but is a
better all-round solution than anything else I've tried, and is quite
reasonable in practice.
C. David Tobie
WW Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-05-04 by Richard Smallfield
Hi Mr Tobie - thanks so much for that - you're a mine of information. Another question for you: i1 Match recommends 100cd/m2 for CRT but only 90cd/m2 for laptops - why is this? Surely it's only the display brightness in relation to ambient light that is the determinant of the correct luminance? thanks, Richard At 01:28 a.m. Thursday 1/05/2008, you wrote: >Yes, typically the graphics card software makes adjustments by overwriting >the display calibration corrections, which is why it is recommended that you not >use any graphics card software if you calibrate your displays. -- http://smallfield.vze.com "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." --Plato (427-347 B.C.)