Digital BW, The Print

Hi,
some samples of the new Generations Alise just arrived.

First impressions: the surface is very close to Photo Rag - a bit smoother than Entrada.

The colour of the Museum (Natural) is close to Entrada Natural - but very marginally whiter, I think. The Photo (Bright) version is marginally less bright than Entrada Bright.

I've not done a test print yet, but have high expectations.

Richard

____________
www.richardsmallfield.com 

   "Talent does what it can; genius does what it must." 
   --Edward George Bulwer-Lytton (1803-1873)

Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@...> wrote:

> some samples of the new Generations Alise just arrived.
> ... have high expectations.

I'm seriously thinking of making their Natural my main paper -- with the Eboni/Carbon-6 inkset.  I'm currently using the Premier Art Smooth BW as my standard, but I really want to get away from OBAs.  The Generations Alise Natural prints with a 3 unit Lab B rise, which is fairly modest. See http://
www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eb6-PA-GenAliseNat-ExeterMat-Tones.jpg
to see the print tones.

Since my mat board Lab B is close to the maximum the new paper hits, the prints look fairly neutral.  So, I'm starting to think I'll be able to combine non-OBA paper, high dmax, and 100% carbon -- which is a very appealing combination to me.

While the Eboni-6 settling is a bit of a nuisance, but truth is my rolling the end of the printer back and forth routinely seems to take care of the problem, and that is easy to do.  Super cheap, 100% carbon, and no clogs makes it rather easy to live with.  Now with super blacks, it's looking even better.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

> Now with super blacks, it's looking even better.
Is the higher d-max of the Alise paper perceptually significant compared 
to the Premier Art Smooth BW?

Where did you get it ?
I had inquired on the web site that had been posted a while ago, but nobody bothered to answer

Thanks, Marco.
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@...> wrote:

>
> Hi,
> some samples of the new Generations Alise just arrived.

Hi,
I'm in New Zealand, so my supplier won't be the same as yours unless you also live here. But it was Print Dot Com.

Richard

At 05:24 p.m. Sunday 8/03/2009, you wrote:

>Where did you get it ?
>I had inquired on the web site that had been posted a while ago, but nobody bothered to answer
>
>Thanks, Marco.
>--- In <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> some samples of the new Generations Alise just arrived.

____________
www.richardsmallfield.com 

   "If you cannot do great things, do small things in a great way."
   --J.F. Clarke


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Is the higher d-max of the Alise paper perceptually 
> significant compared to the Premier Art Smooth BW?

I think an increase of 0.1 density unit in the dmax is a significant advance.  The Smooth BW is a very good paper, but that dmax difference is noticeable in some images.

Actually, what I think would be a more significant advance would be to have non-fading OBAs.   

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

InkJet Art lists the Alise paper:

http://www.inkjetart.com/cart/premierart-generations-c-1_6_806_1818.html

What is the D-Max on this paper? I have been trying out Epson  
UltraSmooth (first time matte paper user) because of no OBAs but the  
blacks just seem a bit weak.

Jim

In a message dated 3/8/2009 11:46:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jgoshorn@... writes:

What is  the D-Max on this paper? I have been trying out Epson  
UltraSmooth  (first time matte paper user) because of no OBAs but the  
blacks just  seem a bit weak.

Jim



Which printer/inkset did you use? 
I print on USFA with piezo inks on an Epson 7600 and with a Canon iPF6100,  
both for B/W images with excellent blacks.
 
Richard
_www.rmassiephotography.com_ (http://www.rmassiephotography.com) 
 
 
**************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web.  Try 
the new Email Toolbar now! 
(http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Mar 8, 2009, at 12:00 PM, CorrPro96@... wrote:

> Which printer/inkset did you use?
> I print on USFA with piezo inks on an Epson 7600 and with a Canon  
> iPF6100,
> both for B/W images with excellent blacks.

Using it with the Colorburst RIP on a 7900. Maybe I am expecting too  
much coming from glossy papers? I knew the blacks would be weaker  
than glossy but I thought they would be a bit better than they are.

Jim

>
> InkJet Art lists the Alise paper:
> 
> http://www.inkjetart.com/cart/premierart-generations-c-1_6_806_1818.html
> 
> What is the D-Max on this paper? I have been trying out Epson  
> UltraSmooth (first time matte paper user) because of no OBAs but the  
> blacks just seem a bit weak.

With Eboni MK I'm getting 1.74 on Generations Alise -- BW and Natural.  UltraSmooth barely breaks 1.6.  That is a major difference.  Your inkset/MK and profile may make a difference.  The glossy blacks are still way better in perfect lighting, but in my (typical?) display conditions the reflections wipe out the glossy advantage and a 1.7+ matte wins.  

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

In a message dated 3/8/2009 12:15:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jgoshorn@... writes:

Using it  with the Colorburst RIP on a 7900. Maybe I am expecting too  
much  coming from glossy papers? I knew the blacks would be weaker  
than  glossy but I thought they would be a bit better than they  are.

Jim



USFA is a matte paper for M K ink. If you print on it with PK ink, it is  
terrible. It is otherwise a warm tone, beautiful (IMHO), smooth finish paper  
similar to Crane Portfolio Rag, which has more texture and wt.
 
HTH,
 
Richard
_www.rmassiephotography.com_ (http://www.rmassiephotography.com) 
 
**************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web.  Try 
the new Email Toolbar now! 
(http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Mar 8, 2009, at 1:52 PM, CorrPro96@... wrote:

> USFA is a matte paper for M K ink. If you print on it with PK ink,  
> it is
> terrible. It is otherwise a warm tone, beautiful (IMHO), smooth  
> finish paper
> similar to Crane Portfolio Rag, which has more texture and wt.

Thanks for the replies folks. I do you MK ink so I guess it's just a  
case of getting used to the differences. Looking forward to the new  
Epson Hot Press when it comes out in the hopes the blacks will be a  
little deeper.

Guess the thing that really makes the differences stand out is when  
you view the prints under brighter light levels. Under average light  
the differences aren't as noticeable unless you really look for them.

Jim

I recently switched my R2400 over to Eboni and matte papers, and whether 
I like the change depends a lot on the image. Images with very high 
local contrast look great, but a number of my "softer" images look 
washed out compared to when they are printed on a good PK paper. I don't 
know to what extent this problem can be ameliorated by editing.