Digital BW, The Print

I am using Premier Art 325 paper and am having a lot of issues with getting it to feed right without having to run it through three times and risk getting indentations on the paper even before I get any ink on it. 
I am using QTR at the moment. As I understand it, there might be a setting in the Epson print driver that is helpful, but that I cannot access while using QTR?

Any helpful tips?

get some Epson cleaning paper and run it through to get the paper lint and coating dust off the rollers.
Or, clean the roller yourself with a qtip, and some Windex. Epson though does not recommend this, anything with alcohol may eventually degrade the rubber.
very very eventually.
You will have to repeat this whenever feeding again becomes problematic.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scalesnyt" <scalesnyt@...> wrote:

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> I am using Premier Art 325 paper and am having a lot of issues with getting it to feed right without having to run it through three times and risk getting indentations on the paper even before I get any ink on it. 
> I am using QTR at the moment. As I understand it, there might be a setting in the Epson print driver that is helpful, but that I cannot access while using QTR?
> 
> Any helpful tips?
>

You have a slipping problem. The roller could be dirty or worn. The paper pickup is timed if the paper is not at the paper IN sensor at the exect time the printer will spit it out.
Does this happen with other types of paper? Have you cleaned the roller?



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scalesnyt" <scalesnyt@...> wrote:

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> I am using Premier Art 325 paper and am having a lot of issues with getting it to feed right without having to run it through three times and risk getting indentations on the paper even before I get any ink on it. 
> I am using QTR at the moment. As I understand it, there might be a setting in the Epson print driver that is helpful, but that I cannot access while using QTR?
> 
> Any helpful tips?
>

> Any helpful tips?
>

Clean the large rubber feed roller with rubbing alcohol. I put some on a rag and push the feed button a few times, holding the rag on to the roller. Then do the same thing with a dry rag. Done!

This is the only paper I have ever used with this printer. It's only a few weeks old. But thanks for the cleaning tips

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Cettina" <joec@...> wrote:

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> You have a slipping problem. The roller could be dirty or worn. The paper pickup is timed if the paper is not at the paper IN sensor at the exect time the printer will spit it out.
> Does this happen with other types of paper? Have you cleaned the roller?
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scalesnyt" <scalesnyt@> wrote:
> >
> > I am using Premier Art 325 paper and am having a lot of issues with getting it to feed right without having to run it through three times and risk getting indentations on the paper even before I get any ink on it. 
> > I am using QTR at the moment. As I understand it, there might be a setting in the Epson print driver that is helpful, but that I cannot access while using QTR?
> > 
> > Any helpful tips?
> >
>

As has been said may times on this board and others - paper feed in the 1400
sucks.
Just don't buy it. Get a 1900 instead - they work great.

Mike
2009/6/13 scalesnyt <scalesnyt@...>

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>
> This is the only paper I have ever used with this printer. It's only a few
> weeks old. But thanks for the cleaning tips
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Joseph Cettina" <joec@...> wrote:
> >
> > You have a slipping problem. The roller could be dirty or worn. The paper
> pickup is timed if the paper is not at the paper IN sensor at the exect time
> the printer will spit it out.
> > Does this happen with other types of paper? Have you cleaned the roller?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "scalesnyt" <scalesnyt@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am using Premier Art 325 paper and am having a lot of issues with
> getting it to feed right without having to run it through three times and
> risk getting indentations on the paper even before I get any ink on it.
> > > I am using QTR at the moment. As I understand it, there might be a
> setting in the Epson print driver that is helpful, but that I cannot access
> while using QTR?
> > >
> > > Any helpful tips?
> > >
> >
>
> 
>


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>
>  - paper feed in the 1400 sucks.
> Just don't buy it. Get a 1900 instead - they work great.
...

Strange that my 1400 feeds nearly perfectly -- far better than my 1800.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <pr_roark@...> wrote:
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> >
> >  - paper feed in the 1400 sucks.
> > Just don't buy it. Get a 1900 instead - they work great.
> ...
> 
> Strange that my 1400 feeds nearly perfectly -- far better than my 1800.
> 
Hi Paul,

Mine feeds correctly too but leaves tracks on glossy paper. Also, if I use matte paper with the curve side up, the head will strike the edge of the paper, leaving an ink stain. So much for using two sided paper.

The Epson 1400 is a great printer plus I know of not other 13" printer  with 1.5 picoliter droplet size. 

Could there be a problem with q.c., which may account for different experience with this printer.

Cheers,
Andre

"andre1moreau" <andre1moreau@...> wrote:
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> Mine feeds correctly too but leaves tracks on glossy paper.

I just print HP-PK black only.  It seems to work fine -- no tracks on the Red River UPG2 I'm using for brochures.  I think BO is less susceptible to tracks because it dries faster -- much less water per pigment particle.

> Also, if I use matte paper with the curve side up, the 
> head will strike the edge of the paper, ...

True.  I reverse curl the paper just before printing and use 1" margins for serious work.

> Could there be a problem with q.c., which may account for 
> different experience with this printer.

I suspect every printer is slightly different.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <pr_roark@...> wrote:
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> "andre1moreau" <andre1moreau@> wrote:
> >
> > Mine feeds correctly too but leaves tracks on glossy paper.
> 
> I just print HP-PK black only.  It seems to work fine -- no tracks on the Red River UPG2 I'm using for brochures.  I think BO is less susceptible to tracks because it dries faster -- much less water per pigment particle.
> 
> > Also, if I use matte paper with the curve side up, the 
> > head will strike the edge of the paper, ...
> 
> True.  I reverse curl the paper just before printing and use 1" margins for serious work.
> 
> > Could there be a problem with q.c., which may account for 
> > different experience with this printer.
> 
> I suspect every printer is slightly different.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>1400 prints beautifully  - both with OEM inks  and the K6SE - Paper feeding for matte papers is occasionally problematic- especially those coated on both sides- regular cleaning of the feed roller (several methods hav e been put forth in this forum - choose what works for you) will keep this to a minimum - ambient temperature/humidity in your printing environment also play  a role - shepherding the occasional misfeed is a small price to pay for the print the 1400 can deliver

Berel Lutsky

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <pr_roark@...> wrote:
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> I just print HP-PK black only.  It seems to work fine -- no tracks on the Red River UPG2 I'm using for brochures.  I think BO is less susceptible to tracks because it dries faster -- much less water per pigment particle.
> 

Hello Paul,

This is totally new to me and I'd like to find out more about HP-PK BO printing on an Epson 1400.

- Is HP-PK meant for printing on glossy paper only or can it be used with matte paper?

- How does it compare to MIS Photo Black or should it be compared to MIS Ebony ? What about the tone of the ink?

- Is HP-PK available only in cartridges? If so, it would mean that it has to be transferred somehow to an Epson 1400 cart?

Unless things have changed, BO printing with the Epson 1400 calls for QTR. Would you be using a PK or MK profile or a profile of your own?

Thanks in advance,
André

"andre1moreau" <andre1moreau@...> wrote:

> I'd like to find out more about HP-PK BO printing on an Epson 1400.
> 
> - Is HP-PK meant for printing on glossy paper only or can it be used with matte paper?

It is a typical PKN -- neutralized PK.  It has a good dmax on glossy paper, but on matte paper it runs out of steam at about density 1.4.


> - How does it compare to MIS Photo Black or should it be compared to MIS Ebony ? What about the tone of the ink?

It's about like the MIS PKN that is used in UT14-C.  The MIS UT14-C is cooler, however.  Since UT14-C was intended as a toner, it's a bit cooler than I'd like as a PKN. 

> - Is HP-PK available only in cartridges? If so, it would mean that it has to be transferred somehow to an Epson 1400 cart?

You'll have to load you own.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/HP-PK.pdf 

> 
> Unless things have changed, BO printing with the Epson 1400 calls for QTR. Would you be using a PK or MK profile or a profile of your own?

I use QTR for this.  Profiling BO in QTR is very simple.  In addition to various MK BO curves you could copy, you can also just call the HP PK a gray ink -- the only one, no matter what it's position is.  A BO curve will be generated that you can linearize as usual.  

If you're not in a position to linearize in QTR, then download one of my profiles from http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Eb5-Profiles.zip (These relate to an inkset I'll use at the workshop for demonstration purposes -- see the draft PDF at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eb6-PKN.pdf)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <pr_roark@...> wrote:
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Paul,
May I say thank you for your ever helpfull answers.
> 
> It is a typical PKN -- neutralized PK.  It has a good dmax on glossy paper, but on matte paper it runs out of steam at about density 1.4.
> 
Since I'm already doing BO with MIS Ebony on matte paper, I'm thinking of using another cart for HP-PK BO on glossy paper. I've tried MIS Photo black for BO printing on glossy paper but find the tone much too warm for my taste.
> 
> I use QTR for this.  Profiling BO in QTR is very simple.  In addition to various MK BO curves you could copy, you can also just call the HP PK a gray ink -- the only one, no matter what it's position is.  A BO curve will be generated that you can linearize as usual.  
> 
This is a bit of a mystery to me. I've got Ebony in one cart and MIS cleaning fluid in the other carts. I gather that QTR finds the Ebony ink because it's in the black ink position. But if I added HP-PK in antoher cart, how would QTR find it? Is the printing profile linked to a cart? Sorry for not being more proficient with QTR.

> If you're not in a position to linearize in QTR, then download one of my profiles 

I've downloaded the profiles and PDF at the link that you've provided. Thanks.

Regards,
André

"andre1moreau" <andre1moreau@...> wrote:

> > [HP-PK] is a typical PKN -- neutralized PK.  ...
 
> Since I'm already doing BO with MIS Ebony on matte paper, 
> I'm thinking of using another cart for HP-PK BO on glossy paper.

Also, try using HP-PK as the cool midtone in a QTR profile that uses just HP-PK and Eboni for matte paper.  This gives you a totally neutral matte profile that you can mix with Eboni BO using the sliders.  


> > I use QTR for this.  Profiling BO in QTR is very simple.  In addition to various MK BO curves you could copy, you can also just call the HP PK a gray ink -- the only one, no matter what it's position is.  A BO curve will be generated that you can linearize as usual.  


> This is a bit of a mystery to me. I've got Ebony in one cart and MIS cleaning fluid in the other carts. I gather that QTR finds the Ebony ink because it's in the black ink position. But if I added HP-PK in antoher cart, how would QTR find it? Is the printing profile linked to a cart? Sorry for not being more proficient with QTR.

In QTR go to the Curve Creator (Tools > Curve Creation).  Then open some of the profiles you've been using and you'll see how QTR is laid out - it's all by ink position.  The "Density" box tells the program much of the information it needs for paritioning.  It doesn't matter where the ink is.  The program is going to look at the relative densities to see what order to put things in for partitionging.  Hit the "Show Curve" button in the Curve Creator and you'll see the curves QTR has generated.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <pr_roark@...> wrote:
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> "andre1moreau" <andre1moreau@> wrote:
> 
> > > [HP-PK] is a typical PKN -- neutralized PK.  ...
>  
> > Since I'm already doing BO with MIS Ebony on matte paper, 
> > I'm thinking of using another cart for HP-PK BO on glossy paper.
> 
> Also, try using HP-PK as the cool midtone in a QTR profile that uses just HP-PK and Eboni for matte paper.  This gives you a totally neutral matte profile that you can mix with Eboni BO using the sliders.  
> 
Hello Paul,

Wow. I think I've found what I've been looking for all along. BO printing for both matte and glossy paper plus choice of tones for  matte paper by combining both PK and MK inks. All this with only two carts containing inks. (The other carts containing cleaning fluid).

Had a look at QTR's curve creation tool as you've suggested in a previous message and will look into this further next week. I think it's about time that I really learn to use QTR.

Thanks for everything,
André