Digital BW, The Print

Hello,
Firs of all I feel bad for only asking questions on this great forum. 
It seems that I only want to find something out and don't want to 
contribute myself.
Well, the main problem behind this, is that I myself am struggling 
with the basics still.(last night was sleepless again. Many,many 
testprints) 
I have been using now the MIs VM set on the EAM paper for quiete a 
while. I am very pleased with the results. 
However I am considering to try some of the fine art papers that can 
be used with the Quadtones.
My problem is that in my country(Poland) it is virtually impossible 
to get any of these papers. I will have to order them just like my 
inks from the US.(or maybe there are some readers in Germany? Any 
links where I can order these papers there? Is much closer)
My question therefore is; what would You recommend as very good thick 
fine art paper for MIS VM? I'd rather order one or two different 
papers than spent money on shipping of samplepacks(I am sure the 
costs will be more than the samplepack itself)
So, let's say I would like to order 2 or maybe even 3 different type 
of papers?( I hope my wife doesn't read this.)
 What would be Your choice??
Any advice on that will be appreciated.

Another question.
I know it is not a fine art paper, but I just got the Kodak Ultima 
Satin. It feels like a RC, which I personally don't like but 
sometimes people ask me if I could print something for them on that 
kind of paper.
What paper settings do You use? Is spraying essential?
I read some time ago on the list that people had positive comments on 
that paper. I tried the Epson Semigloss and that was a disaster.
(bronzing)

Greeting to everybody

Piotr Janowski
piotr.janowski@...

Hi Piotr,

I'mn afraid I do not use MIS VM, so I can not give you constructive advice
on which papers print well with the basic MIS VM curves. However, if the
recommendations you receive are for any Hahnemuhle papers (or Somerset) I
may well be able to supply them from the UK.

As to my own personal favourite papers with Piezo inks, I like Photo Rag,
William Turner and German Etching (oh, and Torchon).

Piezo BW inks print well on Ultima Satin, but do require a finishing
spray-coat, so I imagine that VM inks would print fairly similarly. You will
need a spray coating, but I don't have any particular recommendation on that
one.

Take a look at the web-site below!

Best wishes,
Nij

Nigel Rheam
MWORDS Limited   www.mwords.co.uk   Digital Fine Art

> -----Original Message-----
> From: piotrjanowski [mailto:piotr.janowski@...]
> Sent: 15 February 2002 09:40
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] fine art papers
>
>
> Hello,
> Firs of all I feel bad for only asking questions on this great forum.
> It seems that I only want to find something out and don't want to
> contribute myself.
> Well, the main problem behind this, is that I myself am struggling
> with the basics still.(last night was sleepless again. Many,many
> testprints)
> I have been using now the MIs VM set on the EAM paper for quiete a
> while. I am very pleased with the results.
> However I am considering to try some of the fine art papers that can
> be used with the Quadtones.
> My problem is that in my country(Poland) it is virtually impossible
> to get any of these papers. I will have to order them just like my
> inks from the US.(or maybe there are some readers in Germany? Any
> links where I can order these papers there? Is much closer)
> My question therefore is; what would You recommend as very good thick
> fine art paper for MIS VM? I'd rather order one or two different
> papers than spent money on shipping of samplepacks(I am sure the
> costs will be more than the samplepack itself)
> So, let's say I would like to order 2 or maybe even 3 different type
> of papers?( I hope my wife doesn't read this.)
>  What would be Your choice??
> Any advice on that will be appreciated.
>
> Another question.
> I know it is not a fine art paper, but I just got the Kodak Ultima
> Satin. It feels like a RC, which I personally don't like but
> sometimes people ask me if I could print something for them on that
> kind of paper.
> What paper settings do You use? Is spraying essential?
> I read some time ago on the list that people had positive comments on
> that paper. I tried the Epson Semigloss and that was a disaster.
> (bronzing)
>
> Greeting to everybody
>
> Piotr Janowski
> piotr.janowski@...

Dzen  Dobri Piotr, 

I have opinions for you....but remember they are just one persons opinions, but based on testing many different fine art papers (but using PiezoBW inks!) so here you go...

1.  If I had to pick only one paper to use for fine art prints....Hahnemuhle PhotoRag 308gsm

2.  If I had a second to go with it...Hahnemuhle German Etching or William Turner (about 310gsm). 
Difference?  William Turner is 100% rag cotton while the German Etching (also known as Orwell in Inkjetmall.com) is alpha cellulose (also acid free). 

3. If I wanted a texture to show in my fine art prints....Hahnemuhle Torchon (about 285gsm?)

I have tried many other papers made by other manufacturers, but so far the best results for me using the PiezoBW inks have been on the above three papers. 


I also bought the Kodak Ultima Satin when everyone first noticed it.  I  tried many sheets (I bought several packs) and gave up as the results do not look as good (to me) as the other papers available (see above).  

Hahnemuhle is located in Germany.  Perhaps they have a Polish distributor and outlets.  They are a large paper company.  Search the net for (now I can't remember the name of the parent company...S&S initials stands for ??  Steichler & Strund or something like that...??)  and send an email asking for local sources.  The have global distribution.  

Good luck and clean nozzles, 
Steadman

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: piotrjanowski 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 3:40 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] fine art papers


  Hello,
  Firs of all I feel bad for only asking questions on this great forum. 
  It seems that I only want to find something out and don't want to 
  contribute myself.
  Well, the main problem behind this, is that I myself am struggling 
  with the basics still.(last night was sleepless again. Many,many 
  testprints) 
  I have been using now the MIs VM set on the EAM paper for quiete a 
  while. I am very pleased with the results. 
  However I am considering to try some of the fine art papers that can 
  be used with the Quadtones.
  My problem is that in my country(Poland) it is virtually impossible 
  to get any of these papers. I will have to order them just like my 
  inks from the US.(or maybe there are some readers in Germany? Any 
  links where I can order these papers there? Is much closer)
  My question therefore is; what would You recommend as very good thick 
  fine art paper for MIS VM? I'd rather order one or two different 
  papers than spent money on shipping of samplepacks(I am sure the 
  costs will be more than the samplepack itself)
  So, let's say I would like to order 2 or maybe even 3 different type 
  of papers?( I hope my wife doesn't read this.)
  What would be Your choice??
  Any advice on that will be appreciated.

  Another question.
  I know it is not a fine art paper, but I just got the Kodak Ultima 
  Satin. It feels like a RC, which I personally don't like but 
  sometimes people ask me if I could print something for them on that 
  kind of paper.
  What paper settings do You use? Is spraying essential?
  I read some time ago on the list that people had positive comments on 
  that paper. I tried the Epson Semigloss and that was a disaster.
  (bronzing)

  Greeting to everybody

  Piotr Janowski
  piotr.janowski@...




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Piotr,

I agree with Steadman's choice of papers.  I would add some of the 
Schollershammer papers, such as Velvet and Linen (a good alternative 
to canvas that takes MIS archival inks).  I am using MIS VM-HEX also. 
I am supprised that you are unable to get Hahnemühle and 
Schollershammer papers locally since they are both old established 
German paper manufacturers.  Write to Karen at Digital Art Supplies 
<mailto:Karen@...>Karen@... and 
see what she can do for you.

Jim Respess
-- 
James G. Respess
Green Flash Photography
858-272-1926   
See my art at:  http://www.greenflashphotography.com and at 
http://www.upstage.com/pw/browse2.cgi?query_content_type=Digital+Artist&userid=jimr
Gallery at:  http://offtrackgallery.com/gallery/respess.htm or 
http://offtrackgallery.com

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Piotr,

I am glad to see you on our list. I hope we can be of help. 

First, I have to say I agree with Steadman's recommendations. These are 
pretty safe bets for starting out and those of us who have been printing 
piezoBW have been using these for some time now. 

Here is info on Hahnemuelle:
Hahnemuhle
Unit 11, Brunswick Park Industrial Estate,
London N11 1JL, 
Tel: (020)8 368 5577 
Fax: (020)8 368 1331 

Of course, if you end up buying from the UK, by all means talk to Nij. But I am 
posting this in case they can point you to Polish outlets, more convenient for 
you. Their web address is simply:

http://www.hahnemuhle.com/

Parent company is Schleicher & Schuell.

We also have a "list friend" in Germany, Bernd Langmack who knows 
Hahnemuehle quite well. You may contact him at:  ruhrfoto@...

Good luck

Antonis




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "piotrjanowski" 
<piotr.janowski@a...> wrote:
 However I am considering to try some of the fine art papers that can 

> be used with the Quadtones.
> My problem is that in my country(Poland) it is virtually impossible 
> to get any of these papers.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
>  Dzen  Dobri Piotr, 
> 
> I have opinions for you....but remember they are just one 
persons opinions, but based on testing many different fine art 
papers (but using PiezoBW inks!) so here you go...
> 
> 1.  If I had to pick only one paper to use for fine art 
prints....Hahnemuhle PhotoRag 308gsm
> 

> Hahnemuhle is located in Germany.  Perhaps they have a 
Polish distributor and outlets.  They are a large paper company.  
Search the net for (now I can't remember the name of the parent 
company...S&S initials stands for ??  Steichler & Strund or 
something like that...??)  and send an email asking for local 
sources.  The have global distribution.  
> 
> Good luck and clean nozzles, 
> Steadman



Pjotr,
I second everything Steadman told you.
I myself use MIS VM with Hahnemühle Photo Rag.
There are several alternatives which are cheaper - but not better, 
as far as I know.
For a distributor in Poland contact: 
feinpapiere@...  (www.s-und-s.de)
S&S stands for Schleicher and Schuell, which is the mother of 
Hahnemuhle.
A German distributor is:
www.photolux.de
Send me your street address and I send you a sample pack of 
Hahnemühle papers.
Bernd

Hi Piotr,

you should contact  Mrs. Frederique Biel-Galloyer - person 
responsible to Digital Fine Art papers (DFA) in Hahnemuehle.

Schleicher & Schuell GmbH
Ms. Frédérique Biel-Galloyer
Export Manager

Phone: ++49 5561 791 292
Fax:      ++49 5561 791 340
e-mail:   frederique_galloyer@...
Internet: www.s-und-s.de

I'm sending copy of your message to her.

BTW - S&S initials stands for Schleicher&Schuell

Martin Sluka
Hahnemuehle papers & Piezography in Czech Republic

>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: piotrjanowski [mailto:piotr.janowski@...]
>  Sent: 15 February 2002 09:40
>  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: [Digital BW] fine art papers
>
>
>  Hello,
>  Firs of all I feel bad for only asking questions on this great forum.
>  It seems that I only want to find something out and don't want to
>  contribute myself.
>  Well, the main problem behind this, is that I myself am struggling
>  with the basics still.(last night was sleepless again. Many,many
>  testprints)
>  I have been using now the MIs VM set on the EAM paper for quiete a
>  while. I am very pleased with the results.
>  However I am considering to try some of the fine art papers that can
>  be used with the Quadtones.
>  My problem is that in my country(Poland) it is virtually impossible
>  to get any of these papers. I will have to order them just like my
>  inks from the US.(or maybe there are some readers in Germany? Any
>  links where I can order these papers there? Is much closer)
>  My question therefore is; what would You recommend as very good thick
>  fine art paper for MIS VM? I'd rather order one or two different
>  papers than spent money on shipping of samplepacks(I am sure the
>  costs will be more than the samplepack itself)
>  So, let's say I would like to order 2 or maybe even 3 different type
>  of papers?( I hope my wife doesn't read this.)
>  What would be Your choice??
>  Any advice on that will be appreciated.
>
>  Another question.
>  I know it is not a fine art paper, but I just got the Kodak Ultima
>  Satin. It feels like a RC, which I personally don't like but
>  sometimes people ask me if I could print something for them on that
>  kind of paper.
>  What paper settings do You use? Is spraying essential?
>  I read some time ago on the list that people had positive comments on
>  that paper. I tried the Epson Semigloss and that was a disaster.
>  (bronzing)
>
>  Greeting to everybody
>
>  Piotr Janowski
>  piotr.janowski@...

--

I would like to Thank
Nij, Steadman, Jim, Antonis, Martin, Roger and Bernd for all their 
advice on fine art paper.
And guess what: You guys helped me to track down a dealer of 
Hahnemuhle in Poland!!!!!
I finally found a company which distributes products of Schleicher 
and Schuell. I was looking for Hahnemuhle, because I had no idea that 
S&S is the mother company and that I should rather look for them.
I also ordered a pack of Photo Rag 308 right away. Now I can't wait 
to get my hands on that paper.!!
Many Greetings,
 Piotr Janowski
piotr.janowski@...