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1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-04 by andrevallejo

So, Epson 1400,1800 and 1900 are all 1.5 picoliters, 6 inks colors,right? Means
UT14 can be used in any of them,is that so? I ask because on MIS web site, UT14
checkmark is only for the 1400. And 1800/1900 are easier to get here in
Brazil,though more expensive...
I also understand that UT 14 does not produce the most detailed prints for it
uses only one black. So currently what would be the best inkset for the
1400/1800/1900 considering the most smooth/detailed print is to be achieved? 
Does the UT14C plays any role here?
Oh, and I love to print on Ilford Gold Fibre Silk...
Gonna have an aspirine...

Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-04 by pr_roark

"andrevallejo" <vallejodasilva@...> wrote:

> So, Epson 1400,1800 and 1900 are all 1.5 picoliters,

Correct.

> 6 inks colors,right?

The 1400 is a standard hextone -- 6 inks: C, LC, M, LM, Y, K.

The 1800 and 1900 have 8 inks.  These include the usual CMYK, but they have no light inks.  There are also spots for PK as well as 2 colors that differ between the models (blue and red in the 1800), and gloss optimizer ("glop").

So, the printers are not the same in terms of drivers or ink setup.

> Means UT14 can be used in any of them,is that so?

Not easily with the Epson driver.  The UT14 Epson driver setup assumes standard Epson cross-overs in the driver between the C and LC, and M and LM.

With QTR, I think UT14 could be set up in either the 1800 or 1900, but you'd have to be familiar with making profiles.

> I also understand that UT 14 does not produce the most 
> detailed prints for it uses only one black.

It uses K plus the midtone inks.  So, there is plenty of detail.  It can be used in a black-only mode, but that is not mainly what the UT14 inkset was designed for.

> So currently what would be the best inkset for the
> 1400/1800/1900 considering the most smooth/detailed print 
> is to be achieved? 

The UT14 inkset was made to print easily on matte and glossy, from neutral to warm tones without changing inks.  It also includes Glop to control gloss differential and bronzing.  So, flexibility with very good smoothness and detail can be achieved.

A monotone inkset that is dedicated to only one tone and paper can be a bit smoother, but I'm not sure many could see the difference.  Also, one can put a lighter ink in the UT14 Y position in place of the glop and make it a hair smoother.  Recall, however, that the UT14 already has light inks, which Epson doesn't even bother with in the 1800 and 1900.  For my brochures, I use PK black only in a 1400, and they look good.  So, the light inks that are in the UT14 inkset are generally smooth enough that I don't hear many wanting lighter ones.

> Does the UT14C plays any role here?

It is used in most profiles.

> Oh, and I love to print on Ilford Gold Fibre Silk...

So, you might want to leave the glop in there.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-04 by andrevallejo

Humm...seems good enough for me...now I have to find a 1400 and set it up.I do have a PrintFix, so I guess I can make all the profiles I need with it, and as as surely like matte and some luster/baryta papers, it looks like it's the way to go.
Thanks one more time Paul, you been helping me to set up since a long time ago...I don't know how many years have passed since you sent me the first BW samples from a 1160, but I do remember to have a lot of hair by then! (8-)
André

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> A monotone inkset that is dedicated to only one tone and paper can be a bit smoother, but I'm not sure many could see the difference.  Also, one can put a lighter ink in the UT14 Y position in place of the glop and make it a hair smoother.  Recall, however, that the UT14 already has light inks, which Epson doesn't even bother with in the 1800 and 1900.  For my brochures, I use PK black only in a 1400, and they look good.  So, the light inks that are in the UT14 inkset are generally smooth enough that I don't hear many wanting lighter ones.
> 
> > Does the UT14C plays any role here?
> 
> It is used in most profiles.
> 
> > Oh, and I love to print on Ilford Gold Fibre Silk...
> 
> So, you might want to leave the glop in there.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-04 by Cdtobie

If you have PrintFIX PRO, you should go to the Datacolor website and  
download the Spyder3Print SR software to use with it.

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@Datacolor.com

On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:08 PM, "andrevallejo" <vallejodasilva@gmail.com>  
wrote:
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> Humm...seems good enough for me...now I have to find a 1400 and set  
> it up.I do have a PrintFix, so I guess I can make all the profiles I  
> need with it, and as as surely like matte and some luster/baryta  
> papers, it looks like it's the way to go.
> Thanks one more time Paul, you been helping me to set up since a  
> long time ago...I don't know how many years have passed since you  
> sent me the first BW samples from a 1160, but I do remember to have  
> a lot of hair by then! (8-)
> André
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark"  
> <pr_roark@...> wrote:
>
>>
>> A monotone inkset that is dedicated to only one tone and paper can  
>> be a bit smoother, but I'm not sure many could see the difference.   
>> Also, one can put a lighter ink in the UT14 Y position in place of  
>> the glop and make it a hair smoother.  Recall, however, that the  
>> UT14 already has light inks, which Epson doesn't even bother with  
>> in the 1800 and 1900.  For my brochures, I use PK black only in a  
>> 1400, and they look good.  So, the light inks that are in the UT14  
>> inkset are generally smooth enough that I don't hear many wanting  
>> lighter ones.
>>
>>> Does the UT14C plays any role here?
>>
>> It is used in most profiles.
>>
>>> Oh, and I love to print on Ilford Gold Fibre Silk...
>>
>> So, you might want to leave the glop in there.
>>
>> Paul
>> www.PaulRoark.com
>>
>
>
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Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-04 by peter_desmidt

Do the 1.5 pl printers get more detail on the prints than printers with larger drops?  How do the 1.5 pl printers do regarding banding?

Re: [Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-04 by Michael King

So I haven't done any direct comparisons (though keep meaning too, but would
have to do an black ink switch), but it was seeing the sharpness of a 1400
print of Tyler's that persuaded me to give 1.5pl a go. Epson claims double
the horizontal? resolution for R1900 (5760 x 1440-dpi)  vs LF. Interestingly
the R1900 has 1440 nozzles (180 per "colour") just like the 7880.

They will band at the start and end of the paper when the papers not engaged
with both front and back rollers. Though its often hard to see the banding
after a couple cm. I avoid this by simply printing on longer paper for my
final prints, where I don't have a big enough border.

Outside of this issue my 1900s are banding free and very smoooooth. I have
to struggle to see any drops with the 10x loupe and its easy to see
the drops from the 7880.

Mike

2009/9/5 peter_desmidt <pdesmidt@...>

>
>
> Do the 1.5 pl printers get more detail on the prints than printers with
> larger drops? How do the 1.5 pl printers do regarding banding?
>
> 
>


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[Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-05 by pr_roark

Michael King <drmrking@...> wrote:
>... 
> They will band at the start and end of the paper when the 
> papers not engaged with both front and back rollers. ...

> Outside of this issue my 1900s are banding free and very 
> smoooooth. ...

Aside from the ends of the paper, as noted above, my 1400 is relatively banding free.  My 1800 bands unless multiple inks are used (thus the 3-MK).

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

[Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-05 by deanwork2003

What are you guys using for refillable ink carts on the 1400 for carbon inks?

john




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <pr_roark@...> wrote:
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> Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> >... 
> > They will band at the start and end of the paper when the 
> > papers not engaged with both front and back rollers. ...
> 
> > Outside of this issue my 1900s are banding free and very 
> > smoooooth. ...
> 
> Aside from the ends of the paper, as noted above, my 1400 is relatively banding free.  My 1800 bands unless multiple inks are used (thus the 3-MK).
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

[Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-05 by andrevallejo

I did the day it was out!

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>
> If you have PrintFIX PRO, you should go to the Datacolor website and  
> download the Spyder3Print SR software to use with it.
> 
> C. D. Tobie
> Global Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor.com
> CDTobie@...
> 
> On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:08 PM, "andrevallejo" <vallejodasilva@...>  
> wrote:
> 
> > Humm...seems good enough for me...now I have to find a 1400 and set  
> > it up.I do have a PrintFix, so I guess I can make all the profiles I  
> > need with it, and as as surely like matte and some luster/baryta  
> > papers, it looks like it's the way to go.
> > Thanks one more time Paul, you been helping me to set up since a  
> > long time ago...I don't know how many years have passed since you  
> > sent me the first BW samples from a 1160, but I do remember to have  
> > a lot of hair by then! (8-)
> > André
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark"  
> > <pr_roark@> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> A monotone inkset that is dedicated to only one tone and paper can  
> >> be a bit smoother, but I'm not sure many could see the difference.   
> >> Also, one can put a lighter ink in the UT14 Y position in place of  
> >> the glop and make it a hair smoother.  Recall, however, that the  
> >> UT14 already has light inks, which Epson doesn't even bother with  
> >> in the 1800 and 1900.  For my brochures, I use PK black only in a  
> >> 1400, and they look good.  So, the light inks that are in the UT14  
> >> inkset are generally smooth enough that I don't hear many wanting  
> >> lighter ones.
> >>
> >>> Does the UT14C plays any role here?
> >>
> >> It is used in most profiles.
> >>
> >>> Oh, and I love to print on Ilford Gold Fibre Silk...
> >>
> >> So, you might want to leave the glop in there.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >> www.PaulRoark.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-05 by tboleyyh

John, I got mine from MIS. There may be some "always full" chipped carts now, mine are a pain as it's hard to make more than a few prints before another needs a reset. To reset you have to pretend you're replacing an empty, after which it runs another clean cycle.
Unless you are playing with your mix (which I can't seem to stop), I'd quickly move to a CIS.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "deanwork2003" <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
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> What are you guys using for refillable ink carts on the 1400 for carbon inks?
> 
> john
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <pr_roark@> wrote:
> >
> > Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > >... 
> > > They will band at the start and end of the paper when the 
> > > papers not engaged with both front and back rollers. ...
> > 
> > > Outside of this issue my 1900s are banding free and very 
> > > smoooooth. ...
> > 
> > Aside from the ends of the paper, as noted above, my 1400 is relatively banding free.  My 1800 bands unless multiple inks are used (thus the 3-MK).
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
>

[Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-05 by pr_roark

"deanwork2003" <deanwork2003@...> wrote:

> What are you guys using for refillable ink carts on the 1400 for carbon inks?

MIS 1400 carts are good.  See http://www.inksupply.com/inkjet_cartridges.cfm?search_getmodel=512 


They are similar to carts I've bought from Inkjetcarts.us.  See http://www.inkjetcarts.us/-strse-149/T079120-T079220-T079320-T079420/Detail.bok 

MIS also sells a set per-filled with Eboni-6.  See http://www.inksupply.com/partnumber.cfm?action=search&search_part_number=EB6-1400-SET
They don't make it easy to find, however.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-05 by Eddie Wiseman

I've been using MIS "UT14" inkset since 11/08 with great results and no issues whatsoever, whether I'm using Paul's ACV curves, or QTR..I have their re-fillable spongeless carts..I do have an extra set of empty carts to get me going in case of a chip/cart failure..

Eddie Wiseman
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing


    What are you guys using for refillable ink carts on the 1400 for carbon inks?

  john

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <pr_roark@...> wrote:
  >
  > Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
  > >... 
  > > They will band at the start and end of the paper when the 
  > > papers not engaged with both front and back rollers. ...
  > 
  > > Outside of this issue my 1900s are banding free and very 
  > > smoooooth. ...
  > 
  > Aside from the ends of the paper, as noted above, my 1400 is relatively banding free. My 1800 bands unless multiple inks are used (thus the 3-MK).
  > 
  > Paul
  > www.PaulRoark.com
  >



  

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[Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-06 by deanwork2003

Great, that is a good price. When you use these chipped carts do they work until refilling before having to reset the chip?

john



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> "deanwork2003" <deanwork2003@> wrote:
> 
> > What are you guys using for refillable ink carts on the 1400 for carbon inks?
> 
> MIS 1400 carts are good.  See http://www.inksupply.com/inkjet_cartridges.cfm?search_getmodel=512 
> 
> 
> They are similar to carts I've bought from Inkjetcarts.us.  See http://www.inkjetcarts.us/-strse-149/T079120-T079220-T079320-T079420/Detail.bok 
> 
> MIS also sells a set per-filled with Eboni-6.  See http://www.inksupply.com/partnumber.cfm?action=search&search_part_number=EB6-1400-SET
> They don't make it easy to find, however.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

[Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-06 by pr_roark

"deanwork2003" <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
>
>  When you use these chipped carts do they work until 
> refilling before having to reset the chip?

There may be different types of auto-reset chips.  The ones I have either reset themselves as a matter of course when they get too low, or at most require me to push the ink change button or turn the printer on and off.  It sounds like Tyler has some that are more of a nuisance.

I personally don't like the auto-reset chips except on a CIS.  As a practical matte, they don't seem to accurately tell me when the carts are low (or force me to refill). So, I often just ignore them and do nozzle checks or, if one appears low I check the ink levels visually off all the carts (pulling them) before an important printing job.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-06 by Michael King

Paul,

There have been various revisions of the ARCs to try and keep up with
Epson's efforts to thwart ARCs.

The latest versions of the latest printers i.e R1900 can only be auto reset
by removing the cartridges and then only when they are noted as in need of
changing. Doesn't work until then. I've heard rumours that the early
versions of the R1900 would allow reset without removing the cartridges, but
Epson changed the firmware on later versions to combat this. That's my
experience, if anyone has R1900 ARC chips that behave differently then I'd
be interested in knowing more.

With K7 and R1900 the cartridges are usually 25 - 50% full when the printer
says they are empty.

Mike




2009/9/6 pr_roark <pr_roark@...>

>
>
> "deanwork2003" <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
> >
> > When you use these chipped carts do they work until
> > refilling before having to reset the chip?
>
> There may be different types of auto-reset chips. The ones I have either
> reset themselves as a matter of course when they get too low, or at most
> require me to push the ink change button or turn the printer on and off. It
> sounds like Tyler has some that are more of a nuisance.
>
> I personally don't like the auto-reset chips except on a CIS. As a
> practical matte, they don't seem to accurately tell me when the carts are
> low (or force me to refill). So, I often just ignore them and do nozzle
> checks or, if one appears low I check the ink levels visually off all the
> carts (pulling them) before an important printing job.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>
>
> 
>


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[Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-06 by pr_roark

Michael King <drmrking@...> wrote:
>
> There have been various revisions of the ARCs ...
> The latest versions of the latest printers i.e R1900 can 
> only be auto reset by removing the cartridges and then 
> only when they are noted as in need of changing.

That could be an improvement.

> With K7 and R1900 the cartridges are usually 25 - 50% full 
> when the printer says they are empty.

That's the part of the old ones I found irritating.  So, I've tended to ignore them, which, of course, leads to other problems.

(By the way, I just downloaded Google Chrome to replace my hopelessly buggy, slow, and annoying MS Explorer on my old XP desktop.  I should have done this years ago -- very fast and so far no bugs.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

[Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-06 by tboleyyh

I'd better correct my post... it was in reply to John's questions about 1400 carts, and my comments were directed at the behavior of my 1900 carts, which I did not mention. Michael has clarified that the 1900 behavior may be unique. I had 2 sets of 1400 carts from 2 sources, and honestly don't recall the specifics of their reset characteristics, other than mixing up the sets does not work...
Tyler


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> Paul,
> 
> There have been various revisions of the ARCs to try and keep up with
> Epson's efforts to thwart ARCs.
> 
> The latest versions of the latest printers i.e R1900 can only be auto reset
> by removing the cartridges and then only when they are noted as in need of
> changing. Doesn't work until then. I've heard rumours that the early
> versions of the R1900 would allow reset without removing the cartridges, but
> Epson changed the firmware on later versions to combat this. That's my
> experience, if anyone has R1900 ARC chips that behave differently then I'd
> be interested in knowing more.
> 
> With K7 and R1900 the cartridges are usually 25 - 50% full when the printer
> says they are empty.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/9/6 pr_roark <pr_roark@...>
> 
> >
> >
> > "deanwork2003" <deanwork2003@> wrote:
> > >
> > > When you use these chipped carts do they work until
> > > refilling before having to reset the chip?
> >
> > There may be different types of auto-reset chips. The ones I have either
> > reset themselves as a matter of course when they get too low, or at most
> > require me to push the ink change button or turn the printer on and off. It
> > sounds like Tyler has some that are more of a nuisance.
> >
> > I personally don't like the auto-reset chips except on a CIS. As a
> > practical matte, they don't seem to accurately tell me when the carts are
> > low (or force me to refill). So, I often just ignore them and do nozzle
> > checks or, if one appears low I check the ink levels visually off all the
> > carts (pulling them) before an important printing job.
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-06 by deanwork2003

Man. This all sounds like a big headache, removing carts when they are half full ( exactly what Epson wants of course). And I assume you have different carts going off at different times right in the middle of a project.

What about these 13" printers with a CFS? Are any of them working more smoothly? I want to suggest a trouble free printer of this size to students to use for 6 or 7 channel black and white and I'm still confused if any procedure is worth the trouble.

John



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> I'd better correct my post... it was in reply to John's questions about 1400 carts, and my comments were directed at the behavior of my 1900 carts, which I did not mention. Michael has clarified that the 1900 behavior may be unique. I had 2 sets of 1400 carts from 2 sources, and honestly don't recall the specifics of their reset characteristics, other than mixing up the sets does not work...
> Tyler
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> >
> > Paul,
> > 
> > There have been various revisions of the ARCs to try and keep up with
> > Epson's efforts to thwart ARCs.
> > 
> > The latest versions of the latest printers i.e R1900 can only be auto reset
> > by removing the cartridges and then only when they are noted as in need of
> > changing. Doesn't work until then. I've heard rumours that the early
> > versions of the R1900 would allow reset without removing the cartridges, but
> > Epson changed the firmware on later versions to combat this. That's my
> > experience, if anyone has R1900 ARC chips that behave differently then I'd
> > be interested in knowing more.
> > 
> > With K7 and R1900 the cartridges are usually 25 - 50% full when the printer
> > says they are empty.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 2009/9/6 pr_roark <pr_roark@>
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > "deanwork2003" <deanwork2003@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > When you use these chipped carts do they work until
> > > > refilling before having to reset the chip?
> > >
> > > There may be different types of auto-reset chips. The ones I have either
> > > reset themselves as a matter of course when they get too low, or at most
> > > require me to push the ink change button or turn the printer on and off. It
> > > sounds like Tyler has some that are more of a nuisance.
> > >
> > > I personally don't like the auto-reset chips except on a CIS. As a
> > > practical matte, they don't seem to accurately tell me when the carts are
> > > low (or force me to refill). So, I often just ignore them and do nozzle
> > > checks or, if one appears low I check the ink levels visually off all the
> > > carts (pulling them) before an important printing job.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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[Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-07 by pr_roark

"deanwork2003" <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
> ...
> What about these 13" printers with a CFS? Are any of them 
> working more smoothly? ...

I've used the cheap (about $50 empty) SuperJetUSA (on eBay) CISs on 2 printers for 9 months for each one without trouble.  It's fairly obvious how to prime the carts (pull the air out or the outlets with them upside-down).  The ink level should be just above the heads.  So, I generally have the tanks sitting on a 2" box next to the printer.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

[Digital BW] Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-07 by tboleyyh

Yeah, John get a CIS. I haven't only because I'm playing with the ink, and rarely use the setup except for testing stuff. If it got regular use I'd have a CIS tomorrow.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <pr_roark@...> wrote:
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> "deanwork2003" <deanwork2003@> wrote:
> > ...
> > What about these 13" printers with a CFS? Are any of them 
> > working more smoothly? ...
> 
> I've used the cheap (about $50 empty) SuperJetUSA (on eBay) CISs on 2 printers for 9 months for each one without trouble.  It's fairly obvious how to prime the carts (pull the air out or the outlets with them upside-down).  The ink level should be just above the heads.  So, I generally have the tanks sitting on a 2" box next to the printer.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-07 by peter_desmidt

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tboleyyh" <tyler@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, John get a CIS. I haven't only because I'm playing with the ink, and rarely use the setup except for testing stuff. If it got regular use I'd have a CIS tomorrow.
> Tyler
> 

Tyler, have you printed any digital negatives with your 1400?

Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-07 by tboleyyh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "peter_desmidt" <pdesmidt@...> wrote:
> 
> Tyler, have you printed any digital negatives with your 1400?
>
no I haven't, I committed to ink prints all the way some time ago. Actually I sold the 1400  and moved to the 1900. But no, not with either.
T

Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-07 by andrevallejo

Good point.What are the advantages of the 1900 over the 1400 in your opinion?
Andre


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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "peter_desmidt" <pdesmidt@> wrote:
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> > Tyler, have you printed any digital negatives with your 1400?
> >
> no I haven't, I committed to ink prints all the way some time ago. Actually I sold the 1400  and moved to the 1900. But no, not with either.
> T
>

Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-07 by peter_desmidt

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "andrevallejo" <vallejodasilva@...> wrote:
>
> Good point.What are the advantages of the 1900 over the 1400?

More inks?

Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-07 by deanwork2003

Thanks guys.

john





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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "andrevallejo" <vallejodasilva@> wrote:
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> > Good point.What are the advantages of the 1900 over the 1400?
> 
> More inks?
>

Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-07 by tboleyyh

yup.
I thought perhaps due the the higher price that the paper feed may be a bit more robust, but I'm not sure that's the case. I never had them right next to each other, but they appear to be the same chassis, or nearly identical.
Tyler


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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "andrevallejo" <vallejodasilva@> wrote:
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> > Good point.What are the advantages of the 1900 over the 1400?
> 
> More inks?
>

Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-07 by deanwork2003

If you want to work with gloss fiber papers you'll need the extra channels for the glop and also have room for a PK . But I think for what I want to do the cheaper the better, especially if you need a cfs unit.

john




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> yup.
> I thought perhaps due the the higher price that the paper feed may be a bit more robust, but I'm not sure that's the case. I never had them right next to each other, but they appear to be the same chassis, or nearly identical.
> Tyler
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "peter_desmidt" <pdesmidt@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "andrevallejo" <vallejodasilva@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Good point.What are the advantages of the 1900 over the 1400?
> > 
> > More inks?
> >
>

Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-07 by tboleyyh

the 1400 will be fine for what you originally asked about. THe paper feed is worth paying attention to, if fine art papers start mis feeding or being passed on through, clean the feed path.
The easiest way for me was to preload a sheet of something cheap and absorbant, then spray the sheet you can still get to above the printer with windex or whatever, then feed it on through. Do that maybe twice.
Much quicker and easier than poking around in there with qtips. There are also Epson adhesive cleaning sheets you can buy.
The printer starts having problems with lots of thick coated fine art papers run through one after another.
T

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> If you want to work with gloss fiber papers you'll need the extra channels for the glop and also have room for a PK . But I think for what I want to do the cheaper the better, especially if you need a cfs unit.
> 
> john
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tboleyyh" <tyler@> wrote:
> >
> > yup.
> > I thought perhaps due the the higher price that the paper feed may be a bit more robust, but I'm not sure that's the case. I never had them right next to each other, but they appear to be the same chassis, or nearly identical.
> > Tyler
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "peter_desmidt" <pdesmidt@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "andrevallejo" <vallejodasilva@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Good point.What are the advantages of the 1900 over the 1400?
> > > 
> > > More inks?
> > >
> >
>

Re: 1400/1800/1900 printing

2009-09-08 by deanwork2003

That's a real good tip. Brings me back to my old 1270 days. 

Guess the idea is to buy flat sheets of thinner paper of the same thing I've been using.

j



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> the 1400 will be fine for what you originally asked about. THe paper feed is worth paying attention to, if fine art papers start mis feeding or being passed on through, clean the feed path.
> The easiest way for me was to preload a sheet of something cheap and absorbant, then spray the sheet you can still get to above the printer with windex or whatever, then feed it on through. Do that maybe twice.
> Much quicker and easier than poking around in there with qtips. There are also Epson adhesive cleaning sheets you can buy.
> The printer starts having problems with lots of thick coated fine art papers run through one after another.
> T
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "deanwork2003" <deanwork2003@> wrote:
> >
> > If you want to work with gloss fiber papers you'll need the extra channels for the glop and also have room for a PK . But I think for what I want to do the cheaper the better, especially if you need a cfs unit.
> > 
> > john
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tboleyyh" <tyler@> wrote:
> > >
> > > yup.
> > > I thought perhaps due the the higher price that the paper feed may be a bit more robust, but I'm not sure that's the case. I never had them right next to each other, but they appear to be the same chassis, or nearly identical.
> > > Tyler
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "peter_desmidt" <pdesmidt@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "andrevallejo" <vallejodasilva@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Good point.What are the advantages of the 1900 over the 1400?
> > > > 
> > > > More inks?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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