Digital BW, The Print

Anyone planning to attend the PMA Trade Show in Orlando Feb 24-27, please
stop be our booth #4289. I will be displaying several BW prints done of our
Merlin coated paper and our new Harrier - gelatin coated handmade cotton
sheet - paper.

Diana York
Hawk Mountain Art Papers www.hawkmtnartpapers.com
100% cotton digital fine art inkjet print papers

Like most people, I'm searching.  I'm searching for
that thicker version of EAM (and no watermarks, of
course)...a paper not as flimsy and cold as Legion
Photo Matte...a paper that doesn't cost more than a
buck a sheet (letter size)...a paper where the blacks
don't scuff so easily...a paper somewhat like Eclipse
Soft White, but the weight somewhere between 190 and
300 ( I have to raise my print head to the plus
position to print with Eclipse 300, and, even after
aligning the heads, my usual micro banding turns into
macro banding)...I haven't found that paper, yet.

Having been on the Hawk Mountain site yesterday,
browsing through their alternatives, I came across
Goshawk - nice price, nice weight - does anybody have
any experience with this paper?  I have a few sheets
of their Peregrine which printed well with Lyson
quads, but not so well with MIS FS (bad blacks). 
Anyway, I'll see if I can order some samples on Monday
and eventually report back my findings.

Thom

I haven't used Goshawk, but on another list Hawk Mountain reps were
saying that Goshawk is really only good for printing bright colors,
and that for BW or subtle color work it isn't a good choice. I don't
really understand why this would be, but I figure they probably
wouldn't pass up a chance to sell us paper so there's probably some
truth to it.

Might be worth giving them a call and asking about it.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Thom McGraw <thom@t...> wrote:

> Like most people, I'm searching.  I'm searching for
> that thicker version of EAM (and no watermarks, of
> course)...a paper not as flimsy and cold as Legion
> Photo Matte...a paper that doesn't cost more than a
> buck a sheet (letter size)...a paper where the blacks
> don't scuff so easily...a paper somewhat like Eclipse
> Soft White, but the weight somewhere between 190 and
> 300 ( I have to raise my print head to the plus
> position to print with Eclipse 300, and, even after
> aligning the heads, my usual micro banding turns into
> macro banding)...I haven't found that paper, yet.
> 
> Having been on the Hawk Mountain site yesterday,
> browsing through their alternatives, I came across
> Goshawk - nice price, nice weight - does anybody have
> any experience with this paper?  I have a few sheets
> of their Peregrine which printed well with Lyson
> quads, but not so well with MIS FS (bad blacks). 
> Anyway, I'll see if I can order some samples on Monday
> and eventually report back my findings.
> 
> Thom

On 5/5/02 7:17 AM, "Thom McGraw" <thom@...> wrote:

> ...a paper somewhat like Eclipse
> Soft White, but the weight somewhere between 190 and
> 300 ( I have to raise my print head to the plus
> position to print with Eclipse 300, and, even after
> aligning the heads, my usual micro banding turns into
> macro banding)...I haven't found that paper, yet.

Sounds like a bad printhead to me.  I have no problem printing on this paper
with any of my desktop prints (2 1160's and 2 1270's).  I've never seen a
microband.  Are you using a loupe to do the head alignment?  I use 300+gm
fine art papers all the time even with the piezo driver (which is more
sensitive than the Epson driver) and never have a problem.

Robert

Goshawk is being discontinued...besides it has poor blacks.  Nature jet
might also be worth a look.  Its 100% rag but is loaded up with brighteners.
It is cheap and has a similar hand to Goshawk (and poor blacks).

What workflow are you using...piezo, epson or imageprint driver?  For the
epson driver there is nothing that beats the Eclipse Satine Soft White for
price and performance for a 100% rag and OB free paper...its two sided (one
smooth side and one medium rough side) as well.  Unfortunately Cone doesn't
have a piezo profile that works for this paper.  For maximal dmax you have
to go Hahnmuhle and their papers are expensive.  If you buy in quantity you
may be able to get them under $1/sheet...but their surfaces are delicate
compared to Eclipse in my experience.

Robert

On 5/5/02 7:50 AM, "charles_bandes" <byronbulb@...> wrote:

> I haven't used Goshawk, but on another list Hawk Mountain reps were
> saying that Goshawk is really only good for printing bright colors,
> and that for BW or subtle color work it isn't a good choice. I don't
> really understand why this would be, but I figure they probably
> wouldn't pass up a chance to sell us paper so there's probably some
> truth to it.
> 
> Might be worth giving them a call and asking about it.

Doesn't surprise me given my flat prints with
Peregrine.  Thank you.

Thom
--- charles_bandes <byronbulb@...> wrote:

> I haven't used Goshawk, but on another list Hawk
> Mountain reps were
> saying that Goshawk is really only good for printing
> bright colors,
> and that for BW or subtle color work it isn't a good
> choice.

--- Robert Morrison <rmorrison@...> wrote:


> Sounds like a bad printhead to me.  I have no
> problem printing on this paper
> with any of my desktop prints (2 1160's and 2
> 1270's).  I've never seen a
> microband.  Are you using a loupe to do the head
> alignment?

Yes.  I think I just got one of those bad 1160's. 
Never really noticed it until the warranty was over.

Thom

--- Robert Morrison <rmorrison@...> wrote:

> 
> What workflow are you using...piezo, epson or
> imageprint driver?

Epson driver with Paul Roark curve.

  For the
> epson driver there is nothing that beats the Eclipse
> Satine Soft White for
> price and performance for a 100% rag and OB free
> paper...its two sided (one
> smooth side and one medium rough side) as well. 

I agree, I think it's a great paper.  After reading
your reply, I gave the 300 weight another go and it
printed fine.  Must have had a piece of lint or
something in the heads.  But, alas, I still have that
darned microbanding.  At an arm's lenght I can't
notice it, so I don't let it bother me too much.  That
is until I put my reading glassed on.

Thank you,
Thom