Doepfer

>
> Hi there
> 
> I'm new here so hello all. I've had a search and read up on the EMS
> filters and the like but i'm trying to put together my first system,
> and i'd like to get the closest to the EMS VCO's that i can. Its more
> the sound than any of the specific features so any suggestions are
> very welcome. What's out there at the moment?
> 
> thanks
>

> > the sound than any of the specific features so any suggestions are
> > very welcome. What's out there at the moment?
> > 
> > thanks
> >
>

>
> Hi there
>
> I'm new here so hello all. I've had a search and read up on the EMS
> filters and the like but i'm trying to put together my first system,
> and i'd like to get the closest to the EMS VCO's that i can. Its more
> the sound than any of the specific features so any suggestions are
> very welcome. What's out there at the moment?
>
> thanks
>
>

>
> Hi,
> with the RS95e Oscs you will be as near as possible to the EMS sound source,
> but without the RS500e you will have no chance to build the basics for 
> the typical sound.
> Further I recommend the RS510e Trapezoid Generator and a Plan B Model 14 
> Dual
> Control Processor.
> 
> best regards
> Axel
> 
> johnppp2 schrieb:
> >
> > Hi there
> >
> > I'm new here so hello all. I've had a search and read up on the EMS
> > filters and the like but i'm trying to put together my first system,
> > and i'd like to get the closest to the EMS VCO's that i can. Its more
> > the sound than any of the specific features so any suggestions are
> > very welcome. What's out there at the moment?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
>

On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:03 AM, michaeltritter wrote:

>
> i have a synthi A and the RS500 and 510. i know that the 500 filter  
> is supposed to be an
> exact rebuild of the synthi filters -- i don't think it quite  
> matches the behavior, but it's
> still pretty good -- but since much of the charm of the synthi for  
> me is its essential
> nastiness, i found that half of getting the synthi vibe out of the  
> 500 filter module lies less
> in what oscillator i ran into it than in overdriving the input (and  
> output) to distort. the
> trapezoid module and a joystick (AS or doepfer) go a long way  
> toward a nice simulation
> (yes also the model 14).
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Axel Jungkunst <phaedra@...>  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> with the RS95e Oscs you will be as near as possible to the EMS  
>> sound source,
>> but without the RS500e you will have no chance to build the basics  
>> for
>> the typical sound.
>> Further I recommend the RS510e Trapezoid Generator and a Plan B  
>> Model 14
>> Dual
>> Control Processor.
>>
>> best regards
>> Axel
>>
>> johnppp2 schrieb:
>>>
>>> Hi there
>>>
>>> I'm new here so hello all. I've had a search and read up on the EMS
>>> filters and the like but i'm trying to put together my first system,
>>> and i'd like to get the closest to the EMS VCO's that i can. Its  
>>> more
>>> the sound than any of the specific features so any suggestions are
>>> very welcome. What's out there at the moment?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

>
> I used to own two Synthi AKS and a VCS3 - the biggest mistake in my
> synth buying/selling history was selling them. I have since tried to
> get the same feeling and function from similar modulars from the
> different eurorack manufacturers (+40 modules and growing). The main
> thing I have discovered that made the difference to my patches
> (mainly raygun-from-mars type sounds) is the large difference in
> control voltage sensitivity between the EMS and current modules. The
> EMS's VCO .32V/Oct response makes a ton of difference when a LFO or
> other CV is modulating. The joystick or LFO can easily sweep the VCO
> from sub-to-super audio on a AKS for instance. For me the sound of
> the VCO and VCF can probably be matched closely (at least as closely
> as AKSs match each other), but as Michael says it is a lot harder to
> match the way the modules behave together. I'm sure with some
> modification current offerings would get closer, but straight from
> the factory they don't match for me. On the other hand current
> modules stay in tune and work well with each other when all use the
> same 1 V/Oct so that is a huge benefit.
>
> -James
>
> On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:03 AM, michaeltritter wrote:
>
> >
> > i have a synthi A and the RS500 and 510. i know that the 500 filter
> > is supposed to be an
> > exact rebuild of the synthi filters -- i don't think it quite
> > matches the behavior, but it's
> > still pretty good -- but since much of the charm of the synthi for
> > me is its essential
> > nastiness, i found that half of getting the synthi vibe out of the
> > 500 filter module lies less
> > in what oscillator i ran into it than in overdriving the input (and
> > output) to distort. the
> > trapezoid module and a joystick (AS or doepfer) go a long way
> > toward a nice simulation
> > (yes also the model 14).
> >
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>, Axel Jungkunst <phaedra@...>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> with the RS95e Oscs you will be as near as possible to the EMS
> >> sound source,
> >> but without the RS500e you will have no chance to build the basics
> >> for
> >> the typical sound.
> >> Further I recommend the RS510e Trapezoid Generator and a Plan B
> >> Model 14
> >> Dual
> >> Control Processor.
> >>
> >> best regards
> >> Axel
> >>
> >> johnppp2 schrieb:
> >>>
> >>> Hi there
> >>>
> >>> I'm new here so hello all. I've had a search and read up on the EMS
> >>> filters and the like but i'm trying to put together my first system,
> >>> and i'd like to get the closest to the EMS VCO's that i can. Its
> >>> more
> >>> the sound than any of the specific features so any suggestions are
> >>> very welcome. What's out there at the moment?
> >>>
> >>> thanks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Husted 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Closest module to an EMS Synthi / VCS3 VCO ?


  Axel-
  I have two Doepfer portable cabinets and one is devoted to being a 
  AKS clone. It is a mix of AS and Doepfer. I have gotten really close 
  to the old AKS sound - in fact it has been so long that the memories 
  I have of my AKS's sound may be better in my head than the really 
  were! Anyway I am happy with my setup - it is not as fast as the 
  matrix on the EMS, and not as clean looking, but there are so many 
  more modules to choose from that I won't be tired of it very soon. I 
  selling my Nord G3 to buy more modules soon. I will be looking into 
  Plan-B soon and a few more AS joysticks will be cool to. The portable 
  Doepfer cases are VERY sweet and seem more road worthy than the old AKS.
  -James

  On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Axel Jungkunst wrote:

  > Hi James,
  > years ago I used two AKS and one VCS3 with DK1 Keyboards, Octave 
  > Filter
  > Bank,
  > Octave Divider, Pitch To Voltage Converter and so on....and now I
  > apologize to
  > have nothing from that all. ;-)
  > A simple Synthi A ist too expensive meanwhile.
  > But the "EMS" soundscenes I want to build are possible with
  > some of my ASys, Doepfer and Plan B modules.
  > Not quite 100 %, but for my impression it is near enough to me.
  > all the best
  > Axel
  >
  > James Husted schrieb:
  >>
  >> I used to own two Synthi AKS and a VCS3 - the biggest mistake in my
  >> synth buying/selling history was selling them. I have since tried to
  >> get the same feeling and function from similar modulars from the
  >> different eurorack manufacturers (+40 modules and growing). The main
  >> thing I have discovered that made the difference to my patches
  >> (mainly raygun-from-mars type sounds) is the large difference in
  >> control voltage sensitivity between the EMS and current modules. The
  >> EMS's VCO .32V/Oct response makes a ton of difference when a LFO or
  >> other CV is modulating. The joystick or LFO can easily sweep the VCO
  >> from sub-to-super audio on a AKS for instance. For me the sound of
  >> the VCO and VCF can probably be matched closely (at least as closely
  >> as AKSs match each other), but as Michael says it is a lot harder to
  >> match the way the modules behave together. I'm sure with some
  >> modification current offerings would get closer, but straight from
  >> the factory they don't match for me. On the other hand current
  >> modules stay in tune and work well with each other when all use the
  >> same 1 V/Oct so that is a huge benefit.
  >>
  >> -James
  >>
  >> On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:03 AM, michaeltritter wrote:
  >>
  >>>
  >>> i have a synthi A and the RS500 and 510. i know that the 500 filter
  >>> is supposed to be an
  >>> exact rebuild of the synthi filters -- i don't think it quite
  >>> matches the behavior, but it's
  >>> still pretty good -- but since much of the charm of the synthi for
  >>> me is its essential
  >>> nastiness, i found that half of getting the synthi vibe out of the
  >>> 500 filter module lies less
  >>> in what oscillator i ran into it than in overdriving the input (and
  >>> output) to distort. the
  >>> trapezoid module and a joystick (AS or doepfer) go a long way
  >>> toward a nice simulation
  >>> (yes also the model 14).
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
  >> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>, Axel Jungkunst <phaedra@...>
  >>> wrote:
  >>>>
  >>>> Hi,
  >>>> with the RS95e Oscs you will be as near as possible to the EMS
  >>>> sound source,
  >>>> but without the RS500e you will have no chance to build the basics
  >>>> for
  >>>> the typical sound.
  >>>> Further I recommend the RS510e Trapezoid Generator and a Plan B
  >>>> Model 14
  >>>> Dual
  >>>> Control Processor.
  >>>>
  >>>> best regards
  >>>> Axel
  >>>>
  >>>> johnppp2 schrieb:
  >>>>>
  >>>>> Hi there
  >>>>>
  >>>>> I'm new here so hello all. I've had a search and read up on the 
  >>>>> EMS
  >>>>> filters and the like but i'm trying to put together my first 
  >>>>> system,
  >>>>> and i'd like to get the closest to the EMS VCO's that i can. Its
  >>>>> more
  >>>>> the sound than any of the specific features so any suggestions are
  >>>>> very welcome. What's out there at the moment?
  >>>>>
  >>>>> thanks
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>
  >>
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Husted 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 7:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Closest module to an EMS Synthi / VCS3 VCO ?


  LOL - Yes I meant G2 of course!
  -J

  On Jan 30, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Richard Scott wrote:

  > "I selling my Nord G3"
  >
  > you will get good money for that! Its not even on the market yet :)
  >
  > R
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: James Husted
  > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:43 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Closest module to an EMS Synthi / 
  > VCS3 VCO ?
  >
  >
  > Axel-
  > I have two Doepfer portable cabinets and one is devoted to being a
  > AKS clone. It is a mix of AS and Doepfer. I have gotten really close
  > to the old AKS sound - in fact it has been so long that the memories
  > I have of my AKS's sound may be better in my head than the really
  > were! Anyway I am happy with my setup - it is not as fast as the
  > matrix on the EMS, and not as clean looking, but there are so many
  > more modules to choose from that I won't be tired of it very soon. I
  > selling my Nord G3 to buy more modules soon. I will be looking into
  > Plan-B soon and a few more AS joysticks will be cool to. The 
  > portable
  > Doepfer cases are VERY sweet and seem more road worthy than the 
  > old AKS.
  > -James
  >
  > On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Axel Jungkunst wrote:
  >
  >> Hi James,
  >> years ago I used two AKS and one VCS3 with DK1 Keyboards, Octave
  >> Filter
  >> Bank,
  >> Octave Divider, Pitch To Voltage Converter and so on....and now I
  >> apologize to
  >> have nothing from that all. ;-)
  >> A simple Synthi A ist too expensive meanwhile.
  >> But the "EMS" soundscenes I want to build are possible with
  >> some of my ASys, Doepfer and Plan B modules.
  >> Not quite 100 %, but for my impression it is near enough to me.
  >> all the best
  >> Axel
  >>
  >> James Husted schrieb:
  >>>
  >>> I used to own two Synthi AKS and a VCS3 - the biggest mistake in my
  >>> synth buying/selling history was selling them. I have since tried to
  >>> get the same feeling and function from similar modulars from the
  >>> different eurorack manufacturers (+40 modules and growing). The main
  >>> thing I have discovered that made the difference to my patches
  >>> (mainly raygun-from-mars type sounds) is the large difference in
  >>> control voltage sensitivity between the EMS and current modules. The
  >>> EMS's VCO .32V/Oct response makes a ton of difference when a LFO or
  >>> other CV is modulating. The joystick or LFO can easily sweep the VCO
  >>> from sub-to-super audio on a AKS for instance. For me the sound of
  >>> the VCO and VCF can probably be matched closely (at least as closely
  >>> as AKSs match each other), but as Michael says it is a lot harder to
  >>> match the way the modules behave together. I'm sure with some
  >>> modification current offerings would get closer, but straight from
  >>> the factory they don't match for me. On the other hand current
  >>> modules stay in tune and work well with each other when all use the
  >>> same 1 V/Oct so that is a huge benefit.
  >>>
  >>> -James
  >>>
  >>> On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:03 AM, michaeltritter wrote:
  >>>
  >>>>
  >>>> i have a synthi A and the RS500 and 510. i know that the 500 filter
  >>>> is supposed to be an
  >>>> exact rebuild of the synthi filters -- i don't think it quite
  >>>> matches the behavior, but it's
  >>>> still pretty good -- but since much of the charm of the synthi for
  >>>> me is its essential
  >>>> nastiness, i found that half of getting the synthi vibe out of the
  >>>> 500 filter module lies less
  >>>> in what oscillator i ran into it than in overdriving the input (and
  >>>> output) to distort. the
  >>>> trapezoid module and a joystick (AS or doepfer) go a long way
  >>>> toward a nice simulation
  >>>> (yes also the model 14).
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
  >>> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>, Axel Jungkunst 
  >>> <phaedra@...>
  >>>> wrote:
  >>>>>
  >>>>> Hi,
  >>>>> with the RS95e Oscs you will be as near as possible to the EMS
  >>>>> sound source,
  >>>>> but without the RS500e you will have no chance to build the basics
  >>>>> for
  >>>>> the typical sound.
  >>>>> Further I recommend the RS510e Trapezoid Generator and a Plan B
  >>>>> Model 14
  >>>>> Dual
  >>>>> Control Processor.
  >>>>>
  >>>>> best regards
  >>>>> Axel
  >>>>>
  >>>>> johnppp2 schrieb:
  >>>>>>
  >>>>>> Hi there
  >>>>>>
  >>>>>> I'm new here so hello all. I've had a search and read up on the
  >>>>>> EMS
  >>>>>> filters and the like but i'm trying to put together my first
  >>>>>> system,
  >>>>>> and i'd like to get the closest to the EMS VCO's that i can. Its
  >>>>>> more
  >>>>>> the sound than any of the specific features so any suggestions 
  >>>>>> are
  >>>>>> very welcome. What's out there at the moment?
  >>>>>>
  >>>>>> thanks
  >>>>>>
  >>>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>
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On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Axel Jungkunst wrote:

> Hi James,
> years ago I used two AKS and one VCS3 with DK1 Keyboards, Octave  
> Filter
> Bank,
> Octave Divider, Pitch To Voltage Converter and so on....and now I
> apologize to
> have nothing from that all. ;-)
> A simple Synthi A ist too expensive meanwhile.
> But the "EMS" soundscenes I want to build are possible with
> some of my ASys, Doepfer and Plan B modules.
> Not quite 100 %, but for my impression it is near enough to me.
> all the best
> Axel
>
> James Husted schrieb:
>>
>> I used to own two Synthi AKS and a VCS3 - the biggest mistake in my
>> synth buying/selling history was selling them. I have since tried to
>> get the same feeling and function from similar modulars from the
>> different eurorack manufacturers (+40 modules and growing). The main
>> thing I have discovered that made the difference to my patches
>> (mainly raygun-from-mars type sounds) is the large difference in
>> control voltage sensitivity between the EMS and current modules. The
>> EMS's VCO .32V/Oct response makes a ton of difference when a LFO or
>> other CV is modulating. The joystick or LFO can easily sweep the VCO
>> from sub-to-super audio on a AKS for instance. For me the sound of
>> the VCO and VCF can probably be matched closely (at least as closely
>> as AKSs match each other), but as Michael says it is a lot harder to
>> match the way the modules behave together. I'm sure with some
>> modification current offerings would get closer, but straight from
>> the factory they don't match for me. On the other hand current
>> modules stay in tune and work well with each other when all use the
>> same 1 V/Oct so that is a huge benefit.
>>
>> -James
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:03 AM, michaeltritter wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> i have a synthi A and the RS500 and 510. i know that the 500 filter
>>> is supposed to be an
>>> exact rebuild of the synthi filters -- i don't think it quite
>>> matches the behavior, but it's
>>> still pretty good -- but since much of the charm of the synthi for
>>> me is its essential
>>> nastiness, i found that half of getting the synthi vibe out of the
>>> 500 filter module lies less
>>> in what oscillator i ran into it than in overdriving the input (and
>>> output) to distort. the
>>> trapezoid module and a joystick (AS or doepfer) go a long way
>>> toward a nice simulation
>>> (yes also the model 14).
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>, Axel Jungkunst <phaedra@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> with the RS95e Oscs you will be as near as possible to the EMS
>>>> sound source,
>>>> but without the RS500e you will have no chance to build the basics
>>>> for
>>>> the typical sound.
>>>> Further I recommend the RS510e Trapezoid Generator and a Plan B
>>>> Model 14
>>>> Dual
>>>> Control Processor.
>>>>
>>>> best regards
>>>> Axel
>>>>
>>>> johnppp2 schrieb:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi there
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm new here so hello all. I've had a search and read up on the  
>>>>> EMS
>>>>> filters and the like but i'm trying to put together my first  
>>>>> system,
>>>>> and i'd like to get the closest to the EMS VCO's that i can. Its
>>>>> more
>>>>> the sound than any of the specific features so any suggestions are
>>>>> very welcome. What's out there at the moment?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

On Jan 30, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Richard Scott wrote:

> "I selling my Nord G3"
>
> you will get good money for that! Its not even on the market yet :)
>
> R
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: James Husted
>   To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:43 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Closest module to an EMS Synthi /  
> VCS3 VCO ?
>
>
>   Axel-
>   I have two Doepfer portable cabinets and one is devoted to being a
>   AKS clone. It is a mix of AS and Doepfer. I have gotten really close
>   to the old AKS sound - in fact it has been so long that the memories
>   I have of my AKS's sound may be better in my head than the really
>   were! Anyway I am happy with my setup - it is not as fast as the
>   matrix on the EMS, and not as clean looking, but there are so many
>   more modules to choose from that I won't be tired of it very soon. I
>   selling my Nord G3 to buy more modules soon. I will be looking into
>   Plan-B soon and a few more AS joysticks will be cool to. The  
> portable
>   Doepfer cases are VERY sweet and seem more road worthy than the  
> old AKS.
>   -James
>
>   On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Axel Jungkunst wrote:
>
>> Hi James,
>> years ago I used two AKS and one VCS3 with DK1 Keyboards, Octave
>> Filter
>> Bank,
>> Octave Divider, Pitch To Voltage Converter and so on....and now I
>> apologize to
>> have nothing from that all. ;-)
>> A simple Synthi A ist too expensive meanwhile.
>> But the "EMS" soundscenes I want to build are possible with
>> some of my ASys, Doepfer and Plan B modules.
>> Not quite 100 %, but for my impression it is near enough to me.
>> all the best
>> Axel
>>
>> James Husted schrieb:
>>>
>>> I used to own two Synthi AKS and a VCS3 - the biggest mistake in my
>>> synth buying/selling history was selling them. I have since tried to
>>> get the same feeling and function from similar modulars from the
>>> different eurorack manufacturers (+40 modules and growing). The main
>>> thing I have discovered that made the difference to my patches
>>> (mainly raygun-from-mars type sounds) is the large difference in
>>> control voltage sensitivity between the EMS and current modules. The
>>> EMS's VCO .32V/Oct response makes a ton of difference when a LFO or
>>> other CV is modulating. The joystick or LFO can easily sweep the VCO
>>> from sub-to-super audio on a AKS for instance. For me the sound of
>>> the VCO and VCF can probably be matched closely (at least as closely
>>> as AKSs match each other), but as Michael says it is a lot harder to
>>> match the way the modules behave together. I'm sure with some
>>> modification current offerings would get closer, but straight from
>>> the factory they don't match for me. On the other hand current
>>> modules stay in tune and work well with each other when all use the
>>> same 1 V/Oct so that is a huge benefit.
>>>
>>> -James
>>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:03 AM, michaeltritter wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> i have a synthi A and the RS500 and 510. i know that the 500 filter
>>>> is supposed to be an
>>>> exact rebuild of the synthi filters -- i don't think it quite
>>>> matches the behavior, but it's
>>>> still pretty good -- but since much of the charm of the synthi for
>>>> me is its essential
>>>> nastiness, i found that half of getting the synthi vibe out of the
>>>> 500 filter module lies less
>>>> in what oscillator i ran into it than in overdriving the input (and
>>>> output) to distort. the
>>>> trapezoid module and a joystick (AS or doepfer) go a long way
>>>> toward a nice simulation
>>>> (yes also the model 14).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>>> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>, Axel Jungkunst  
>>> <phaedra@...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> with the RS95e Oscs you will be as near as possible to the EMS
>>>>> sound source,
>>>>> but without the RS500e you will have no chance to build the basics
>>>>> for
>>>>> the typical sound.
>>>>> Further I recommend the RS510e Trapezoid Generator and a Plan B
>>>>> Model 14
>>>>> Dual
>>>>> Control Processor.
>>>>>
>>>>> best regards
>>>>> Axel
>>>>>
>>>>> johnppp2 schrieb:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi there
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm new here so hello all. I've had a search and read up on the
>>>>>> EMS
>>>>>> filters and the like but i'm trying to put together my first
>>>>>> system,
>>>>>> and i'd like to get the closest to the EMS VCO's that i can. Its
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> the sound than any of the specific features so any suggestions  
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> very welcome. What's out there at the moment?
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> Axel-
> I have two Doepfer portable cabinets and one is devoted to being a
> AKS clone. It is a mix of AS and Doepfer. I have gotten really close
> to the old AKS sound - in fact it has been so long that the memories
> I have of my AKS's sound may be better in my head than the really
> were! Anyway I am happy with my setup - it is not as fast as the
> matrix on the EMS, and not as clean looking, but there are so many
> more modules to choose from that I won't be tired of it very soon. I
> selling my Nord G3 to buy more modules soon. I will be looking into
> Plan-B soon and a few more AS joysticks will be cool to. The portable
> Doepfer cases are VERY sweet and seem more road worthy than the old AKS.
> -James
>
> On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Axel Jungkunst wrote:
>
> > Hi James,
> > years ago I used two AKS and one VCS3 with DK1 Keyboards, Octave
> > Filter
> > Bank,
> > Octave Divider, Pitch To Voltage Converter and so on....and now I
> > apologize to
> > have nothing from that all. ;-)
> > A simple Synthi A ist too expensive meanwhile.
> > But the "EMS" soundscenes I want to build are possible with
> > some of my ASys, Doepfer and Plan B modules.
> > Not quite 100 %, but for my impression it is near enough to me.
> > all the best
> > Axel
> >
> > James Husted schrieb:
> >>
> >> I used to own two Synthi AKS and a VCS3 - the biggest mistake in my
> >> synth buying/selling history was selling them. I have since tried to
> >> get the same feeling and function from similar modulars from the
> >> different eurorack manufacturers (+40 modules and growing). The main
> >> thing I have discovered that made the difference to my patches
> >> (mainly raygun-from-mars type sounds) is the large difference in
> >> control voltage sensitivity between the EMS and current modules. The
> >> EMS's VCO .32V/Oct response makes a ton of difference when a LFO or
> >> other CV is modulating. The joystick or LFO can easily sweep the VCO
> >> from sub-to-super audio on a AKS for instance. For me the sound of
> >> the VCO and VCF can probably be matched closely (at least as closely
> >> as AKSs match each other), but as Michael says it is a lot harder to
> >> match the way the modules behave together. I'm sure with some
> >> modification current offerings would get closer, but straight from
> >> the factory they don't match for me. On the other hand current
> >> modules stay in tune and work well with each other when all use the
> >> same 1 V/Oct so that is a huge benefit.
> >>
> >> -James
> >>
> >> On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:03 AM, michaeltritter wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> i have a synthi A and the RS500 and 510. i know that the 500 filter
> >>> is supposed to be an
> >>> exact rebuild of the synthi filters -- i don't think it quite
> >>> matches the behavior, but it's
> >>> still pretty good -- but since much of the charm of the synthi for
> >>> me is its essential
> >>> nastiness, i found that half of getting the synthi vibe out of the
> >>> 500 filter module lies less
> >>> in what oscillator i ran into it than in overdriving the input (and
> >>> output) to distort. the
> >>> trapezoid module and a joystick (AS or doepfer) go a long way
> >>> toward a nice simulation
> >>> (yes also the model 14).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>, Axel Jungkunst <phaedra@...>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> with the RS95e Oscs you will be as near as possible to the EMS
> >>>> sound source,
> >>>> but without the RS500e you will have no chance to build the basics
> >>>> for
> >>>> the typical sound.
> >>>> Further I recommend the RS510e Trapezoid Generator and a Plan B
> >>>> Model 14
> >>>> Dual
> >>>> Control Processor.
> >>>>
> >>>> best regards
> >>>> Axel
> >>>>
> >>>> johnppp2 schrieb:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi there
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm new here so hello all. I've had a search and read up on the
> >>>>> EMS
> >>>>> filters and the like but i'm trying to put together my first
> >>>>> system,
> >>>>> and i'd like to get the closest to the EMS VCO's that i can. Its
> >>>>> more
> >>>>> the sound than any of the specific features so any suggestions are
> >>>>> very welcome. What's out there at the moment?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>

>
> Axel-
>   I have two Doepfer portable cabinets and one is devoted to being a  
> AKS clone. It is a mix of AS and Doepfer. I have gotten really close  
> to the old AKS sound - in fact it has been so long that the memories  
> I have of my AKS's sound may be better in my head than the really  
> were! Anyway I am happy with my setup - it is not as fast as the  
> matrix on the EMS, and not as clean looking, but there are so many  
> more modules to choose from that I won't be tired of it very soon. I  
> selling my Nord G3 to buy more modules soon. I will be looking into  
> Plan-B soon and a few more AS joysticks will be cool to. The portable  
> Doepfer cases are VERY sweet and seem more road worthy than the old AKS.
> -James
> 
> 
> On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Axel Jungkunst wrote:
> 
> > Hi James,
> > years ago I used two AKS and one VCS3 with DK1 Keyboards, Octave  
> > Filter
> > Bank,
> > Octave Divider, Pitch To Voltage Converter and so on....and now I
> > apologize to
> > have nothing from that all. ;-)
> > A simple Synthi A ist too expensive meanwhile.
> > But the "EMS" soundscenes I want to build are possible with
> > some of my ASys, Doepfer and Plan B modules.
> > Not quite 100 %, but for my impression it is near enough to me.
> > all the best
> > Axel
> >
> > James Husted schrieb:
> >>
> >> I used to own two Synthi AKS and a VCS3 - the biggest mistake in my
> >> synth buying/selling history was selling them. I have since tried to
> >> get the same feeling and function from similar modulars from the
> >> different eurorack manufacturers (+40 modules and growing). The main
> >> thing I have discovered that made the difference to my patches
> >> (mainly raygun-from-mars type sounds) is the large difference in
> >> control voltage sensitivity between the EMS and current modules. The
> >> EMS's VCO .32V/Oct response makes a ton of difference when a LFO or
> >> other CV is modulating. The joystick or LFO can easily sweep the VCO
> >> from sub-to-super audio on a AKS for instance. For me the sound of
> >> the VCO and VCF can probably be matched closely (at least as closely
> >> as AKSs match each other), but as Michael says it is a lot harder to
> >> match the way the modules behave together. I'm sure with some
> >> modification current offerings would get closer, but straight from
> >> the factory they don't match for me. On the other hand current
> >> modules stay in tune and work well with each other when all use the
> >> same 1 V/Oct so that is a huge benefit.
> >>
> >> -James
> >>
> >> On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:03 AM, michaeltritter wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> i have a synthi A and the RS500 and 510. i know that the 500 filter
> >>> is supposed to be an
> >>> exact rebuild of the synthi filters -- i don't think it quite
> >>> matches the behavior, but it's
> >>> still pretty good -- but since much of the charm of the synthi for
> >>> me is its essential
> >>> nastiness, i found that half of getting the synthi vibe out of the
> >>> 500 filter module lies less
> >>> in what oscillator i ran into it than in overdriving the input (and
> >>> output) to distort. the
> >>> trapezoid module and a joystick (AS or doepfer) go a long way
> >>> toward a nice simulation
> >>> (yes also the model 14).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>, Axel Jungkunst <phaedra@>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> with the RS95e Oscs you will be as near as possible to the EMS
> >>>> sound source,
> >>>> but without the RS500e you will have no chance to build the basics
> >>>> for
> >>>> the typical sound.
> >>>> Further I recommend the RS510e Trapezoid Generator and a Plan B
> >>>> Model 14
> >>>> Dual
> >>>> Control Processor.
> >>>>
> >>>> best regards
> >>>> Axel
> >>>>
> >>>> johnppp2 schrieb:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi there
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm new here so hello all. I've had a search and read up on the  
> >>>>> EMS
> >>>>> filters and the like but i'm trying to put together my first  
> >>>>> system,
> >>>>> and i'd like to get the closest to the EMS VCO's that i can. Its
> >>>>> more
> >>>>> the sound than any of the specific features so any suggestions are
> >>>>> very welcome. What's out there at the moment?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> hello Axel,
>
> i agree that, with the new euro rack and frac rac
> formats, you can really do everything and much more
> than what any older (modular or not) machine would
> allow you to do.
> i too have two ems vcs3's and like them much, but, i
> get TOTAL flexibility and huge sound pallete from my
> new modulars, not from the VCS3's (which are great for
> certain kind of sounds).
> if you're a collector, you "need" the VCS3 for
> showing-off mostly, i guess...
> but, if you really want to use your analogue modulars
> to make creative music, nothing can beat the new
> modulars (euro and frac formats being the most
> flexible and giving you the most capabilities), IMHO.
>
> best regards,
> Bakis.
>
> --- Axel Jungkunst <phaedra@t-online.de 
> <mailto:phaedra%40t-online.de>> wrote:
>
> > Hi James,
> > I'm also glad about my modular and it still grows.
> > I remember my AKS/VCS3-Synths as noise machines,
> > hard to tune
> > and not really able to produce very good playable
> > sounds.
> > With my choice to sell them und to build up a more
> > flexible modular system
> > I am very happy. Leading is Doepfer, followed by
> > ASys (just bought the RS215
> > and waiting for a RS95e and a RS430) and in addition
> > Plan B, Cwejman
> > and Cyndustries.
> > I don't really need an EMS, the wanted soundscapes
> > are patchable and
> > they are sounding as good as the original does,
> > leaving the last 2 percents
> > of puristic sounds behind :-)
> > Lets do it with our modules!
> > Axel
> >
> > James Husted schrieb:
> > >
> > > Axel-
> > > I have two Doepfer portable cabinets and one is
> > devoted to being a
> > > AKS clone. It is a mix of AS and Doepfer. I have
> > gotten really close
> > > to the old AKS sound - in fact it has been so long
> > that the memories
> > > I have of my AKS's sound may be better in my head
> > than the really
> > > were! Anyway I am happy with my setup - it is not
> > as fast as the
> > > matrix on the EMS, and not as clean looking, but
> > there are so many
> > > more modules to choose from that I won't be tired
> > of it very soon. I
> > > selling my Nord G3 to buy more modules soon. I
> > will be looking into
> > > Plan-B soon and a few more AS joysticks will be
> > cool to. The portable
> > > Doepfer cases are VERY sweet and seem more road
> > worthy than the old AKS.
> > > -James
> > >
> > > On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Axel Jungkunst wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi James,
> > > > years ago I used two AKS and one VCS3 with DK1
> > Keyboards, Octave
> > > > Filter
> > > > Bank,
> > > > Octave Divider, Pitch To Voltage Converter and
> > so on....and now I
> > > > apologize to
> > > > have nothing from that all. ;-)
> > > > A simple Synthi A ist too expensive meanwhile.
> > > > But the "EMS" soundscenes I want to build are
> > possible with
> > > > some of my ASys, Doepfer and Plan B modules.
> > > > Not quite 100 %, but for my impression it is
> > near enough to me.
> > > > all the best
> > > > Axel
> > > >
> > > > James Husted schrieb:
> > > >>
> > > >> I used to own two Synthi AKS and a VCS3 - the
> > biggest mistake in my
> > > >> synth buying/selling history was selling them.
> > I have since tried to
> > > >> get the same feeling and function from similar
> > modulars from the
> > > >> different eurorack manufacturers (+40 modules
> > and growing). The main
> > > >> thing I have discovered that made the
> > difference to my patches
> > > >> (mainly raygun-from-mars type sounds) is the
> > large difference in
> > > >> control voltage sensitivity between the EMS and
> > current modules. The
> > > >> EMS's VCO .32V/Oct response makes a ton of
> > difference when a LFO or
> > > >> other CV is modulating. The joystick or LFO can
> > easily sweep the VCO
> > > >> from sub-to-super audio on a AKS for instance.
> > For me the sound of
> > > >> the VCO and VCF can probably be matched closely
> > (at least as closely
> > > >> as AKSs match each other), but as Michael says
> > it is a lot harder to
> > > >> match the way the modules behave together. I'm
> > sure with some
> > > >> modification current offerings would get
> > closer, but straight from
> > > >> the factory they don't match for me. On the
> > other hand current
> > > >> modules stay in tune and work well with each
> > other when all use the
> > > >> same 1 V/Oct so that is a huge benefit.
> > > >>
> > > >> -James
> > > >>
> > > >> On Jan 30, 2008, at 8:03 AM, michaeltritter
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> i have a synthi A and the RS500 and 510. i
> > know that the 500 filter
> > > >>> is supposed to be an
> > > >>> exact rebuild of the synthi filters -- i don't
> > think it quite
> > > >>> matches the behavior, but it's
> > > >>> still pretty good -- but since much of the
> > charm of the synthi for
> > > >>> me is its essential
> > > >>> nastiness, i found that half of getting the
> > synthi vibe out of the
> > > >>> 500 filter module lies less
> > > >>> in what oscillator i ran into it than in
> > overdriving the input (and
> > > >>> output) to distort. the
> > > >>> trapezoid module and a joystick (AS or
> > doepfer) go a long way
> > > >>> toward a nice simulation
> > > >>> (yes also the model 14).
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>, Axel
> > Jungkunst <phaedra@...>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Hi,
> > > >>>> with the RS95e Oscs you will be as near as
> > possible to the EMS
> > > >>>> sound source,
> > > >>>> but without the RS500e you will have no
> > chance to build the basics
> > > >>>> for
> > > >>>> the typical sound.
> > > >>>> Further I recommend the RS510e Trapezoid
> > Generator and a Plan B
> > > >>>> Model 14
> > > >>>> Dual
> > > >>>> Control Processor.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> best regards
> > > >>>> Axel
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> johnppp2 schrieb:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Hi there
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I'm new here so hello all. I've had a search
> > and read up on the
> > > >>>>> EMS
> > > >>>>> filters and the like but i'm trying to put
> > together my first
> > > >>>>> system,
> > > >>>>> and i'd like to get the closest to the EMS
> > VCO's that i can. Its
> > > >>>>> more
> > > >>>>> the sound than any of the specific features
> > so any suggestions are
> > > >>>>> very welcome. What's out there at the
> > moment?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> thanks
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
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On Jan 30, 2008, at 2:28 PM, johnppp2 wrote:

> Great stuff everyone, very helpful. james, could i ask specifically
> what is in your AKS emulating rack?
>
>
>

> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 
> 
> > I have one Doepfer portable rack configured with AS and Doepfer
> > modules that are similar to the AKSs layout. I don't have all of the
> > modules in a AKS of course - no meter or KS keyboard or fixed output
> > filters for instance. I also haven't bought the trapezoid clones or
> > EMS filter so it is not a real close clone - close enough for me to
> > re-create the patches I commonly made on the Synthi A. I'm at work
> > now so I can't give you the exact module list but mainly it is mostly
> > Doepfer with 2 AS VCOs (the no longer made RS90 - it had the wave-
> > shaping I wanted) and the AS joystick (modified to be mounted upside
> > down - cables get in the way otherwise) and a custom made dual manual
> > gate panel. The things it has that are different than the Synthi are
> > dual Ring modulator, VC envelope generator, MIDI, mixer and VC
> > panner, and some more. I have re-arranged it a few times and there is
> > allot you can fit in that case. The main thing for me is to find or
> > make a joystick module that feels and acts like you want. It is the
> > main interface to play on the rig for me. A inverter module and lots
> > of multiples are needed too. Having a inverter is great - the way you
> > had to do inversion on the Synthi was a drag - I often have the
> > joystick's axis used in both regular and inverted at the same time.
> > The EMS matrix will spoil you totally and you will need to make or
> > buy lots of mults. If I ever find a source for the jacks used in the
> > Doepfer/AS modules in the US - I would love to make a matrix patcher
> > - lots of jacks needed though! To make one cheaply you would have to
> > hardwire it to the modules and there goes the flexibility of a
> > modular placement. At that point you might as well make a large
> > custom panel, take the panels off AS and D modules and mount them to
> > it - hardwired to the matrix. I always wanted to make a SEM-like
> > voice module that way with AS and Doepfer modules packed closely in
> > one panel and normalized to a standard patch. Oh well - now I'm
> > rambling - slow day here today.
> > -James
>

> I have one Doepfer portable rack configured with AS and Doepfer
> modules that are similar to the AKSs layout. I don't have all of the
> modules in a AKS of course - no meter or KS keyboard or fixed output
> filters for instance. I also haven't bought the trapezoid clones or
> EMS filter so it is not a real close clone - close enough for me to
> re-create the patches I commonly made on the Synthi A. I'm at work
> now so I can't give you the exact module list but mainly it is mostly
> Doepfer with 2 AS VCOs (the no longer made RS90 - it had the wave-
> shaping I wanted) and the AS joystick (modified to be mounted upside
> down - cables get in the way otherwise) and a custom made dual manual
> gate panel. The things it has that are different than the Synthi are
> dual Ring modulator, VC envelope generator, MIDI, mixer and VC
> panner, and some more. I have re-arranged it a few times and there is
> allot you can fit in that case. The main thing for me is to find or
> make a joystick module that feels and acts like you want. It is the
> main interface to play on the rig for me. A inverter module and lots
> of multiples are needed too. Having a inverter is great - the way you
> had to do inversion on the Synthi was a drag - I often have the
> joystick's axis used in both regular and inverted at the same time.
> The EMS matrix will spoil you totally and you will need to make or
> buy lots of mults. If I ever find a source for the jacks used in the
> Doepfer/AS modules in the US - I would love to make a matrix patcher
> - lots of jacks needed though! To make one cheaply you would have to
> hardwire it to the modules and there goes the flexibility of a
> modular placement. At that point you might as well make a large
> custom panel, take the panels off AS and D modules and mount them to
> it - hardwired to the matrix. I always wanted to make a SEM-like
> voice module that way with AS and Doepfer modules packed closely in
> one panel and normalized to a standard patch. Oh well - now I'm
> rambling - slow day here today.
> -James

> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 
> 
> > I have one Doepfer portable rack configured with AS and Doepfer
> > modules that are similar to the AKSs layout. I don't have all of the
> > modules in a AKS of course - no meter or KS keyboard or fixed output
> > filters for instance. I also haven't bought the trapezoid clones or
> > EMS filter so it is not a real close clone - close enough for me to
> > re-create the patches I commonly made on the Synthi A. I'm at work
> > now so I can't give you the exact module list but mainly it is mostly
> > Doepfer with 2 AS VCOs (the no longer made RS90 - it had the wave-
> > shaping I wanted) and the AS joystick (modified to be mounted upside
> > down - cables get in the way otherwise) and a custom made dual manual
> > gate panel. The things it has that are different than the Synthi are
> > dual Ring modulator, VC envelope generator, MIDI, mixer and VC
> > panner, and some more. I have re-arranged it a few times and there is
> > allot you can fit in that case. The main thing for me is to find or
> > make a joystick module that feels and acts like you want. It is the
> > main interface to play on the rig for me. A inverter module and lots
> > of multiples are needed too. Having a inverter is great - the way you
> > had to do inversion on the Synthi was a drag - I often have the
> > joystick's axis used in both regular and inverted at the same time.
> > The EMS matrix will spoil you totally and you will need to make or
> > buy lots of mults. If I ever find a source for the jacks used in the
> > Doepfer/AS modules in the US - I would love to make a matrix patcher
> > - lots of jacks needed though! To make one cheaply you would have to
> > hardwire it to the modules and there goes the flexibility of a
> > modular placement. At that point you might as well make a large
> > custom panel, take the panels off AS and D modules and mount them to
> > it - hardwired to the matrix. I always wanted to make a SEM-like
> > voice module that way with AS and Doepfer modules packed closely in
> > one panel and normalized to a standard patch. Oh well - now I'm
> > rambling - slow day here today.
> > -James
>

>
> I have one Doepfer portable rack configured with AS and Doepfer  
> modules that are similar to the AKSs layout. I don't have all of the  
> modules in a AKS of course - no meter or KS keyboard or fixed output  
> filters for instance. I also haven't bought the trapezoid clones or  
> EMS filter so it is not a real close clone - close enough for me to  
> re-create the patches I commonly made on the Synthi A. I'm at work  
> now so I can't give you the exact module list but mainly it is mostly  
> Doepfer with 2 AS VCOs (the no longer made RS90 - it had the wave- 
> shaping I wanted) and the AS joystick (modified to be mounted upside  
> down - cables get in the way otherwise) and a custom made dual manual  
> gate panel. The things it has that are different than the Synthi are  
> dual Ring modulator, VC envelope generator, MIDI, mixer and VC  
> panner, and some more. I have re-arranged it a few times and there is  
> allot you can fit in that case. The main thing for me is to find or  
> make a joystick module that feels and acts like you want. It is the  
> main interface to play on the rig for me. A inverter module and lots  
> of multiples are needed too. Having a inverter is great - the way you  
> had to do inversion on the Synthi was a drag - I often have the  
> joystick's axis used in both regular and inverted at the same time.  
> The EMS matrix will spoil you totally and you will need to make or  
> buy lots of mults. If I ever find a source for the jacks used in the  
> Doepfer/AS modules in the US - I would love to make a matrix patcher  
> - lots of jacks needed though! To make one cheaply you would have to  
> hardwire it to the modules and there goes the flexibility of a  
> modular placement. At that point you might as well make a large  
> custom panel, take the panels off AS and D modules and mount them to  
> it - hardwired to the matrix. I always wanted to make a SEM-like  
> voice module that way with AS and Doepfer modules packed closely in  
> one panel and normalized to a standard patch. Oh well - now I'm  
> rambling - slow day here today.
> -James
> 
> 
> On Jan 30, 2008, at 2:28 PM, johnppp2 wrote:
> 
> > Great stuff everyone, very helpful. james, could i ask specifically
> > what is in your AKS emulating rack?
> >
> >
> >
>

On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:52 AM, hardware@doepfer.de wrote:

> I just wanted to inform you that we are working on a 8x8 matrix made  
> with
> 3.5 mm jack sockets. The reason is that we found a manufacturer that
> produces a horizontal version of the 3.5 mm sockets at a much better  
> price
> compared to the vertical Cliff sockets used so far. Some of you may  
> have
> noticed these sockets in new modules (e.g. the Manual Gate A-164-1,  
> Switched
> Multiples A-182-1, A-186-1 Gate/Trigger combiner and the new version  
> of
> A-180 Multiples I). With these sockets it should be possible to  
> built a 8x8
> matrix at affordable costs. We are still looking for a manufacturer of
> shortening 3.5 mm jack plugs (or with diodes or resistors).
>
> I hope the matrix will be in the Euro 100-120 range but I still have  
> to wait
> for the quotations of our front panel manufacturer and our assembly  
> company.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>
>> I have one Doepfer portable rack configured with AS and Doepfer
>> modules that are similar to the AKSs layout. I don't have all of the
>> modules in a AKS of course - no meter or KS keyboard or fixed output
>> filters for instance. I also haven't bought the trapezoid clones or
>> EMS filter so it is not a real close clone - close enough for me to
>> re-create the patches I commonly made on the Synthi A. I'm at work
>> now so I can't give you the exact module list but mainly it is mostly
>> Doepfer with 2 AS VCOs (the no longer made RS90 - it had the wave-
>> shaping I wanted) and the AS joystick (modified to be mounted upside
>> down - cables get in the way otherwise) and a custom made dual manual
>> gate panel. The things it has that are different than the Synthi are
>> dual Ring modulator, VC envelope generator, MIDI, mixer and VC
>> panner, and some more. I have re-arranged it a few times and there is
>> allot you can fit in that case. The main thing for me is to find or
>> make a joystick module that feels and acts like you want. It is the
>> main interface to play on the rig for me. A inverter module and lots
>> of multiples are needed too. Having a inverter is great - the way you
>> had to do inversion on the Synthi was a drag - I often have the
>> joystick's axis used in both regular and inverted at the same time.
>> The EMS matrix will spoil you totally and you will need to make or
>> buy lots of mults. If I ever find a source for the jacks used in the
>> Doepfer/AS modules in the US - I would love to make a matrix patcher
>> - lots of jacks needed though! To make one cheaply you would have to
>> hardwire it to the modules and there goes the flexibility of a
>> modular placement. At that point you might as well make a large
>> custom panel, take the panels off AS and D modules and mount them to
>> it - hardwired to the matrix. I always wanted to make a SEM-like
>> voice module that way with AS and Doepfer modules packed closely in
>> one panel and normalized to a standard patch. Oh well - now I'm
>> rambling - slow day here today.
>> -James
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

>
> Dieter-
> I planned at one time to make a matrix with !/4" switchcraft High  
> density stereo jacks (I worked at a company that used them and I could  
> get them cheap - and I had a bunch of SEM modules). The plan was to  
> run the output lines on the tip's and the input lines on the Rings -  
> ground as ground. That way you could put trimmers in the plugs and use  
> them to have different levels at different patch points. This setup  
> also allowed any crosspoint  to be used as insert jack to other  
> external equipment when a stereo plug "Y-cord" was used. This way you  
> could insert a VCA at a crosspoint for instance - very handy. if a  
> mono plug is inserted all the way it would work as a patch out (but  
> would short that row input - not a bad thing for a SEM) but if only  
> inserted half way would act as a input on that buss. I would also  
> suggest bringing the rows/columns out to a multi-pin header in the pcb  
> so that multiple matrixes could be chained together. Can't wait to see  
> this module. How wide a panel is planned?
> 
> BTW loved the NAMM video. A short video on each just-released module  
> would be a great selling tool. No expensive production needed - the  
> camera aimed at the module and a hand and voice added. Ship me the  
> modules and let me keep them and I will do the videos for free! (like  
> everyone on this list with a camera would do also!).
> 
> -James
> 
> On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:52 AM, hardware@... wrote:
> 
> > I just wanted to inform you that we are working on a 8x8 matrix made  
> > with
> > 3.5 mm jack sockets. The reason is that we found a manufacturer that
> > produces a horizontal version of the 3.5 mm sockets at a much better  
> > price
> > compared to the vertical Cliff sockets used so far. Some of you may  
> > have
> > noticed these sockets in new modules (e.g. the Manual Gate A-164-1,  
> > Switched
> > Multiples A-182-1, A-186-1 Gate/Trigger combiner and the new version  
> > of
> > A-180 Multiples I). With these sockets it should be possible to  
> > built a 8x8
> > matrix at affordable costs. We are still looking for a manufacturer of
> > shortening 3.5 mm jack plugs (or with diodes or resistors).
> >
> > I hope the matrix will be in the Euro 100-120 range but I still have  
> > to wait
> > for the quotations of our front panel manufacturer and our assembly  
> > company.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
> >
> >> I have one Doepfer portable rack configured with AS and Doepfer
> >> modules that are similar to the AKSs layout. I don't have all of the
> >> modules in a AKS of course - no meter or KS keyboard or fixed output
> >> filters for instance. I also haven't bought the trapezoid clones or
> >> EMS filter so it is not a real close clone - close enough for me to
> >> re-create the patches I commonly made on the Synthi A. I'm at work
> >> now so I can't give you the exact module list but mainly it is mostly
> >> Doepfer with 2 AS VCOs (the no longer made RS90 - it had the wave-
> >> shaping I wanted) and the AS joystick (modified to be mounted upside
> >> down - cables get in the way otherwise) and a custom made dual manual
> >> gate panel. The things it has that are different than the Synthi are
> >> dual Ring modulator, VC envelope generator, MIDI, mixer and VC
> >> panner, and some more. I have re-arranged it a few times and there is
> >> allot you can fit in that case. The main thing for me is to find or
> >> make a joystick module that feels and acts like you want. It is the
> >> main interface to play on the rig for me. A inverter module and lots
> >> of multiples are needed too. Having a inverter is great - the way you
> >> had to do inversion on the Synthi was a drag - I often have the
> >> joystick's axis used in both regular and inverted at the same time.
> >> The EMS matrix will spoil you totally and you will need to make or
> >> buy lots of mults. If I ever find a source for the jacks used in the
> >> Doepfer/AS modules in the US - I would love to make a matrix patcher
> >> - lots of jacks needed though! To make one cheaply you would have to
> >> hardwire it to the modules and there goes the flexibility of a
> >> modular placement. At that point you might as well make a large
> >> custom panel, take the panels off AS and D modules and mount them to
> >> it - hardwired to the matrix. I always wanted to make a SEM-like
> >> voice module that way with AS and Doepfer modules packed closely in
> >> one panel and normalized to a standard patch. Oh well - now I'm
> >> rambling - slow day here today.
> >> -James
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Bulog 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 7:43 PM
  Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Closest module to an EMS Synthi / VCS3 VCO ?


  > Just imagine a A100P suitcase with two 8 x8 matrix and a DIY 
  > keyboard about the same size----this will be incredible
  >

  > The 8 x 8 Matrix is a major coup---this is huge and it would not 
  > surprise me if Doepfers market share increases many times because 
  > of this one module.
  >

  >

  Dave

  > On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:52 AM, hardware@doepfer.de wrote:
  >
  > > I just wanted to inform you that we are working on a 8x8 matrix made
  > > with
  > > 3.5 mm jack sockets. The reason is that we found a manufacturer that
  > > produces a horizontal version of the 3.5 mm sockets at a much better
  > > price
  > > compared to the vertical Cliff sockets used so far. Some of you may
  > > have
  > > noticed these sockets in new modules (e.g. the Manual Gate A-164-1,
  > > Switched
  > > Multiples A-182-1, A-186-1 Gate/Trigger combiner and the new version
  > > of
  > > A-180 Multiples I). With these sockets it should be possible to
  > > built a 8x8
  > > matrix at affordable costs. We are still looking for a 
  > manufacturer of
  > > shortening 3.5 mm jack plugs (or with diodes or resistors).
  > >
  > > I hope the matrix will be in the Euro 100-120 range but I still have
  > > to wait
  > > for the quotations of our front panel manufacturer and our assembly
  > > company.
  > >
  > > Best wishes
  > > Dieter Doepfer
  > >
  >
  >
  > 

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: bruce thedekaa 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 10:05 PM
  Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Closest module to an EMS Synthi / VCS3 VCO ?


  But once it's in your modular you get the same wire's
  hanging everywhere (at least i have that)... With this
  i can control the modular from a distance. I guess it
  depends on the way you make music.

  grtz Bruce

  --- David Bulog <d2ba@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

  > I dont like it at all---standalone = messy messy
  > messy
  > I think Doepfer looks and a Eurorack format will be
  > much better
  > 
  > Dave
  > On 3/02/2008, at 10:47 AM, bruce thedekaa wrote:
  > 
  > > Hi,
  > >
  > > This looks good. Just posted the link to some
  > other
  > > forums..
  > >
  > > grtz Bruce
  > >
  > > --- Richard Scott <richard_scott@rwnc.co.uk>
  > wrote:
  > >
  > > > Schneiders Beuro are planning something similar
  > but
  > > > as a standalone: i hope this links works
  > > >
  > > >
  > > http://www.schneidersbuero.de/index.php? 
  > > sect=products&lang=en&product=Steckbox%208x8%20V1%
  > 
  > >
  >
  20Verbindungsmatrix&hersteller=SchneidersBuero&kategorie=hersteller&cu
  > 
  > > rrency=EURO_BRUTTO
  > > >
  > > > maybe a joint venture could be interesting?
  > > >
  > > > the interesting thing about these ideas is that
  > the
  > > > jack plug could be a potentiometer, on off
  > switch, a
  > > > pressure pad, a light sensor... which takes us
  > way
  > > > beyond the VCS3!
  > > >
  > > > I would buy one of these like a shot
  > > >
  > > > Richard
  > > >
  > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > From: David Bulog
  > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
  > > > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 7:43 PM
  > > > Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Closest
  > module
  > > > to an EMS Synthi / VCS3 VCO ?
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > > Just imagine a A100P suitcase with two 8 x8
  > > > matrix and a DIY
  > > > > keyboard about the same size----this will be
  > > > incredible
  > > > >
  > > >
  > > > > The 8 x 8 Matrix is a major coup---this is
  > huge
  > > > and it would not
  > > > > surprise me if Doepfers market share increases
  > > > many times because
  > > > > of this one module.
  > > > >
  > > >
  > > > >
  > > >
  > > > Dave
  > > >
  > > > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:52 AM,
  > hardware@doepfer.de
  > > > wrote:
  > > > >
  > > > > > I just wanted to inform you that we are
  > > > working on a 8x8 matrix made
  > > > > > with
  > > > > > 3.5 mm jack sockets. The reason is that we
  > > > found a manufacturer that
  > > > > > produces a horizontal version of the 3.5 mm
  > > > sockets at a much better
  > > > > > price
  > > > > > compared to the vertical Cliff sockets used
  > so
  > > > far. Some of you may
  > > > > > have
  > > > > > noticed these sockets in new modules (e.g.
  > the
  > > > Manual Gate A-164-1,
  > > > > > Switched
  > > > > > Multiples A-182-1, A-186-1 Gate/Trigger
  > > > combiner and the new version
  > > > > > of
  > > > > > A-180 Multiples I). With these sockets it
  > > > should be possible to
  > > > > > built a 8x8
  > > > > > matrix at affordable costs. We are still
  > > > looking for a
  > > > > manufacturer of
  > > > > > shortening 3.5 mm jack plugs (or with diodes
  > > > or resistors).
  > > > > >
  > > > > > I hope the matrix will be in the Euro
  > 100-120
  > > > range but I still have
  > > > > > to wait
  > > > > > for the quotations of our front panel
  > > > manufacturer and our assembly
  > > > > > company.
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Best wishes
  > > > > > Dieter Doepfer
  > > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Bulog 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 10:00 PM
  Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Closest module to an EMS Synthi / VCS3 VCO ?


  I dont like it at all---standalone = messy messy messy
  I think Doepfer looks and a Eurorack format will be much better

  Dave
  On 3/02/2008, at 10:47 AM, bruce thedekaa wrote:

  > Hi,
  >
  > This looks good. Just posted the link to some other
  > forums..
  >
  > grtz Bruce
  >
  > --- Richard Scott <richard_scott@rwnc.co.uk> wrote:
  >
  > > Schneiders Beuro are planning something similar but
  > > as a standalone: i hope this links works
  > >
  > >
  > http://www.schneidersbuero.de/index.php? 
  > sect=products&lang=en&product=Steckbox%208x8%20V1% 
  > 20Verbindungsmatrix&hersteller=SchneidersBuero&kategorie=hersteller&cu 
  > rrency=EURO_BRUTTO
  > >
  > > maybe a joint venture could be interesting?
  > >
  > > the interesting thing about these ideas is that the
  > > jack plug could be a potentiometer, on off switch, a
  > > pressure pad, a light sensor... which takes us way
  > > beyond the VCS3!
  > >
  > > I would buy one of these like a shot
  > >
  > > Richard
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: David Bulog
  > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
  > > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 7:43 PM
  > > Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Closest module
  > > to an EMS Synthi / VCS3 VCO ?
  > >
  > >
  > > > Just imagine a A100P suitcase with two 8 x8
  > > matrix and a DIY
  > > > keyboard about the same size----this will be
  > > incredible
  > > >
  > >
  > > > The 8 x 8 Matrix is a major coup---this is huge
  > > and it would not
  > > > surprise me if Doepfers market share increases
  > > many times because
  > > > of this one module.
  > > >
  > >
  > > >
  > >
  > > Dave
  > >
  > > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:52 AM, hardware@doepfer.de
  > > wrote:
  > > >
  > > > > I just wanted to inform you that we are
  > > working on a 8x8 matrix made
  > > > > with
  > > > > 3.5 mm jack sockets. The reason is that we
  > > found a manufacturer that
  > > > > produces a horizontal version of the 3.5 mm
  > > sockets at a much better
  > > > > price
  > > > > compared to the vertical Cliff sockets used so
  > > far. Some of you may
  > > > > have
  > > > > noticed these sockets in new modules (e.g. the
  > > Manual Gate A-164-1,
  > > > > Switched
  > > > > Multiples A-182-1, A-186-1 Gate/Trigger
  > > combiner and the new version
  > > > > of
  > > > > A-180 Multiples I). With these sockets it
  > > should be possible to
  > > > > built a 8x8
  > > > > matrix at affordable costs. We are still
  > > looking for a
  > > > manufacturer of
  > > > > shortening 3.5 mm jack plugs (or with diodes
  > > or resistors).
  > > > >
  > > > > I hope the matrix will be in the Euro 100-120
  > > range but I still have
  > > > > to wait
  > > > > for the quotations of our front panel
  > > manufacturer and our assembly
  > > > > company.
  > > > >
  > > > > Best wishes
  > > > > Dieter Doepfer
  > > > >
  > > >
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From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of hardware@doepfer.de
Sent: 04 February 2008 15:59
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] patch matrix



> i agree with florian that the 8 outputs should be on
> the bottom or top of the matrix (even if the matrix
> should become 7x7 or 8x7).
> otherwise you loose much of the instant visual
> feedback, and gets quite confusing...

Look at the revised preliminary info page of the A-183-1. We added a
second
version with smaller distance between the sockets to obtain an 8x8
matrix
with outputs at the bottom. But for this version not all sockets can be
mounted with nuts. We will have to built a second prototype to find out
if
the stability is sufficient. It may work if the holes for the sockets in
the
panel have exactly the same diameter as the threads of the sockets (i.e.
no
gaps).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer



 


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On Feb 4, 2008, at 7:58 AM, hardware@doepfer.de wrote:

>> i agree with florian that the 8 outputs should be on
>> the bottom or top of the matrix (even if the matrix
>> should become 7x7 or 8x7).
>> otherwise you loose much of the instant visual
>> feedback, and gets quite confusing...
>
> Look at the revised preliminary info page of the A-183-1. We added  
> a second
> version with smaller distance between the sockets to obtain an 8x8  
> matrix
> with outputs at the bottom. But for this version not all sockets  
> can be
> mounted with nuts. We will have to built a second prototype to find  
> out if
> the stability is sufficient. It may work if the holes for the  
> sockets in the
> panel have exactly the same diameter as the threads of the sockets  
> (i.e. no
> gaps).
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Florian Anwander
Sent: 04 February 2008 16:16
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] patch matrix



Hi David,

> The second version looks good - if a little odd, but I feel that it
> could make pulling the plugs out difficult if they are too close.
I own a Ghielmetti matrix (same as in the EMS), and even there it is not

easy to set or pull the plugs. If you have a look at broadcast stations 
you will find, that they have wide matrices which have only two rows per

inch. Same for the EMS Synthi 100 
(http://www.synthtopia.com/news/06_05/images/ems_synthi_100.jpg
<http://www.synthtopia.com/news/06_05/images/ems_synthi_100.jpg> ). It
all 
is a question of space and costs.

Florian


 


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On Feb 4, 2008 6:28 PM, Stu Grimshaw <grimshaw@stugrimshaw.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> dieter,
>
>  if you were to produce a panel that is equally long/wide, the module
>  could be rotated anticlockwise by 90 degrees (to allow inputs on the
>  bottom, outputs right) 180 degrees (inputs on top, outputs right) etc.
>  there would be little point in retaining the 1-8 and a-h labelling,
>  but i would be happy to lose that in favour of the flexible mount option.
>
>  and here's my vote for slightly fewer rows to gain space between them.
>  although having eight rows is very tempting for those with clock
>  dividers and sequencers :)
>
>  stu
>
>

On Feb 4, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Stu Grimshaw wrote:
>
> i think i'd have to think seriously about devoting that much space to
> a patchbay. i use my stuff mostly on stage, putting various sound
> sources thru the doepfer, and i've thought about building a patchbay
> before. but how often will i need 8 inputs? on the other hand,
> swapping destinations with a patchbay is much less of a headache. i'd
> certainly buy a 8x4 matrix.
>

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: hardware@doepfer.de 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 10:44 AM
  Subject: [Doepfer_a100] again: A-100 patch matrix


  Dear members,

  after some discussions with Musikmesse visitors and my own experience I
  doubt if the patch matrix is really a useful tool within a modular system.
  From my point of view such a matrix is very useful in a semi-modular unit
  with fixed assignments of the inputs and outputs. But in a modular system
  one has to patch even the ins and outs, i.e. you have to remember which
  modules are connected to the patch matrix. I think this additonial
  "openness" nullifies to a considerable degree as one could do most of the
  patches also without the need of a patch matrix.

  Maybe I missed something. Anyway, as I do not really stand by this module we
  will manufacture it only if there are a reasonable amount of pre-orders.

  In addition a poll would be useful for us to find out if other members have
  different opinions. I'll ask Bakis to start the corresponding poll.

  Best wishes
  Dieter Doepfer



   

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Florian Anwander 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] again: A-100 patch matrix


  Hi Korhan,

  this is already available from Schneiders Buero (looooong URL follows):
  (http://www.schneidersbuero.de/index.php?lang=en&sect=products&kategorie=hersteller&hersteller=Schneidersbuero&product=Steckbox%208x8%20V1%20Verbindungsmatrix&currency=EURO_BRUTTO)

  All the best, Florian

  Korhan Erel wrote:
  > Hi Dieter, perhaps you could manufacture this as a standalone unit?


   

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From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Florian Anwander
Sent: 20 March 2008 14:41
To: A100
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] again: A-100 patch matrix



uuups,
>
(http://www.schneidersbuero.de/index.php?lang=en&sect=products&kategorie
=hersteller&hersteller=Schneidersbuero&product=Steckbox%208x8%20V1%20Ver
bindungsmatrix&currency=EURO_BRUTTO
<http://www.schneidersbuero.de/index.php?lang=en&sect=products&kategorie
=hersteller&hersteller=Schneidersbuero&product=Steckbox%208x8%20V1%20Ver
bindungsmatrix&currency=EURO_BRUTTO> ) 
unfortunately this does not work:
Get to http://www.schneidersbuero.de <http://www.schneidersbuero.de> 
select your language
select "manufacturer" in drop down list(1)
select "schneidersbuero" in drop down list (2)
select "stecjbox" in drop down list (3)

Picture is:
http://www.schneidersbuero.de/images/full/sb_sb1.jpg
<http://www.schneidersbuero.de/images/full/sb_sb1.jpg> 

Florian


 


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On Mar 20, 2008, at 4:54 AM, hardware@doepfer.de wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> hardware@doepfer.de wrote:
>>> From my point of view such a matrix is very useful in a
>> semi-modular unit
>>> with fixed assignments of the inputs and outputs.
>> This leads me to another topic. I really would appreciate a kind of
>> "standard hardware interface" for pre-patched connections.
>>
>> I could imagine something like a jumper-pin (I only know the  
>> german word
>> "Steckerstifte" - similar to wire-wrap contacts) connected to the  
>> switch
>> contact of each input socket, or connected to the fix contact of each
>> output socket. Now one could patch those contacts with cables with  
>> the
>> corresponding crimped push-on sockets (german "Steckhülse").
>>
>> So you could build a prepatched system, but would be able to break  
>> those
>> patches by external cables.
>>
>> Florian
>
> For all new modules the switching contact of each socket (provided  
> that it
> is unused) is connected to a solder point next to the socket. We  
> will modify
> even the pcb's of older modules little by little and add these solder
> points.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

On Mar 20, 2008, at 2:44 AM, hardware@doepfer.de wrote:
> Dear members,
>
> after some discussions with Musikmesse visitors and my own  
> experience I
> doubt if the patch matrix is really a useful tool within a modular  
> system.
> From my point of view such a matrix is very useful in a semi- 
> modular unit
> with fixed assignments of the inputs and outputs. But in a modular  
> system
> one has to patch even the ins and outs, i.e. you have to remember  
> which
> modules are connected to the patch matrix. I think this additonial
> "openness" nullifies to a considerable degree as one could do most  
> of the
> patches also without the need of a patch matrix.
>
> Maybe I missed something. Anyway, as I do not really stand by this  
> module we
> will manufacture it only if there are a reasonable amount of pre- 
> orders.
>
> In addition a poll would be useful for us to find out if other  
> members have
> different opinions. I'll ask Bakis to start the corresponding poll.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

On Mar 20, 2008, at 11:15 AM, hardware@doepfer.de wrote:
> Dear members,
>
> I have to recover from the Musikmesse for a couple of days. I'm not  
> in the
> office from March 20 to 27 but skiing in Italy :-)
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

On Mar 20, 2008, at 11:15 AM, hardware@doepfer.de wrote:
> Dear members,
>
> I have to recover from the Musikmesse for a couple of days. I'm not  
> in the
> office from March 20 to 27 but skiing in Italy :-)
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

>
> On the modular I see this module's usefulness only in live  
> situations, with "pins" half-way plugged in waiting to change the  
> patch. Depending on how much needed to be changed, the switched  
> multiples and Crossfader/Panning modules would do the trick for me.
> I think it would be a interesting DIY project though to take an array  
> of Doepfer modules and remove them from their panels, remove the  
> jacks, and mount and hardwire them to a single panel with a matrix of  
> jacks like this - sort of a DIY VCS3. That assumes that the PCBs can  
> be mounted without jacks which is not always the case. Fun to think  
> about though. Maybe someday I will PhotoShop something up to see what  
> it would look like.
> 
> -James
> 
> On Mar 20, 2008, at 2:44 AM, hardware@... wrote:
> > Dear members,
> >
> > after some discussions with Musikmesse visitors and my own  
> > experience I
> > doubt if the patch matrix is really a useful tool within a modular  
> > system.
> > From my point of view such a matrix is very useful in a semi- 
> > modular unit
> > with fixed assignments of the inputs and outputs. But in a modular  
> > system
> > one has to patch even the ins and outs, i.e. you have to remember  
> > which
> > modules are connected to the patch matrix. I think this additonial
> > "openness" nullifies to a considerable degree as one could do most  
> > of the
> > patches also without the need of a patch matrix.
> >
> > Maybe I missed something. Anyway, as I do not really stand by this  
> > module we
> > will manufacture it only if there are a reasonable amount of pre- 
> > orders.
> >
> > In addition a poll would be useful for us to find out if other  
> > members have
> > different opinions. I'll ask Bakis to start the corresponding poll.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: laryn91 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:33 AM
  Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: again: A-100 patch matrix


  I remember seeing pictures of old analogue computers that had removable patch panels. 
  This way engineers could preserve and reuse their previous simulations without having to 
  always re-patch everything from scratch. 

  I always thought the same thing would be useful for modular synths. The matrix program 
  panels could be swapped in and out to for live patch changes. Also in the studio, you 
  could keep some of your favorite configuration panels as starting points.

  --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, James Husted <the_ersatz_planet@...> wrote:
  >
  > On the modular I see this module's usefulness only in live 
  > situations, with "pins" half-way plugged in waiting to change the 
  > patch. Depending on how much needed to be changed, the switched 
  > multiples and Crossfader/Panning modules would do the trick for me.
  > I think it would be a interesting DIY project though to take an array 
  > of Doepfer modules and remove them from their panels, remove the 
  > jacks, and mount and hardwire them to a single panel with a matrix of 
  > jacks like this - sort of a DIY VCS3. That assumes that the PCBs can 
  > be mounted without jacks which is not always the case. Fun to think 
  > about though. Maybe someday I will PhotoShop something up to see what 
  > it would look like.
  > 
  > -James
  > 
  > On Mar 20, 2008, at 2:44 AM, hardware@... wrote:
  > > Dear members,
  > >
  > > after some discussions with Musikmesse visitors and my own 
  > > experience I
  > > doubt if the patch matrix is really a useful tool within a modular 
  > > system.
  > > From my point of view such a matrix is very useful in a semi- 
  > > modular unit
  > > with fixed assignments of the inputs and outputs. But in a modular 
  > > system
  > > one has to patch even the ins and outs, i.e. you have to remember 
  > > which
  > > modules are connected to the patch matrix. I think this additonial
  > > "openness" nullifies to a considerable degree as one could do most 
  > > of the
  > > patches also without the need of a patch matrix.
  > >
  > > Maybe I missed something. Anyway, as I do not really stand by this 
  > > module we
  > > will manufacture it only if there are a reasonable amount of pre- 
  > > orders.
  > >
  > > In addition a poll would be useful for us to find out if other 
  > > members have
  > > different opinions. I'll ask Bakis to start the corresponding poll.
  > >
  > > Best wishes
  > > Dieter Doepfer
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > ------------------------------------
  > >
  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
  > >
  > >
  > >
  >



   

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