Doepfer

for these purposes i'd really recommend going with at least one
interesting cv controlled digital processing module. the doepfer a112
can be very interesting, both for the effects when they're pushed to
digital limits and artefacts appear, and also for grabbing a snippet
of sound and using it as a wave, or moving through the snippet. truly
underrated.

i also have the harvestman's malgorithm, and that is magnificent.

http://www.theharvestman.org/2012.htm

doepfer have a similar looking bitcrusher (a-189 i think) coming some
time this year, which will be interesting to hear, but for the moment
i really cannot recommend the harvestman stuff highly enough. his
poliviks filter clone is excellent, but the malgorithm is probably my
favourite module right now. 

you might also swap out your vc wave module for an a-137, i guess? 


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Korhan Erel" <listekutusu@...>
wrote:

>
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a small Doepfer system consisting of the following modules:
> 
> A-116 Waveform Processor
> A-119 Ext Input/Env Follower
> A-124 Wasp Filter
> A-132-1 Dual linear VCA
> A-143-3 Quad LFO
> A-172 Max-Min Selector
> 
> I use these modules to process instruments as well as for sound design
> (using the LFOs as oscillators). I have been planning to expand this
> system to process acoustic instruments during live performance, and I
> consider the following modules:
> 
> A-106 Xtreme Filter
> A-110 VCO
> A-114 Ring Mod
> A-118 Noise/Random
> A-125 Phaser
> A-127 VC Triple Res. Filter
> A-175 Dual Inverter
> A-188-1 BBD (1024)
> A-196 PLL
> 
> Since I am after a small, portable system - I have my current modules
> in a self-constructed wooden box (50 HP) - I will not buy all these
> modules.
> 
> I am absolutely sure about getting the A-114 and the A-175 (this one
> to use primarily with A-132-1)
> 
> From what I have been reading in the list and the doepfer site, I see
> A-196 and A-106 to be good additions to a processing system. Please
> feel free to offer any replacements for A-106, one of which may be the
> A-127. It is too big for my purposes but looks interesting.
> 
> I am quite confused about the BBD. Can you go really radical with this
> module, other than voltage controlled flangers or delays? What can it
> do to a bass clarinet plugged into it?
> 
> I plan to get the VCO as a modulateable sound source to feed other
> modules (ring modulator, PLL)
> 
> The modules I'm really not sure about are the A-125 and A-118. Yeah, a
> VC phaser would be nice but it would only be a phaser at the end of
> the day and that's boring for my purposes.
> 
> What do you make out of all this? I want a small box 50-60 HP wide and
> modules that can run on the small power supply (MNT-100 I think is its
> code). Do you use Doepfer modules to process acoustic signals? Which
> modules? Any modules to vary control voltages drastically? Let's
> assume I have 600 Euros for this max.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Korhan
>

Hi all,

I have a small Doepfer system consisting of the following modules:

A-116 Waveform Processor
A-119 Ext Input/Env Follower
A-124 Wasp Filter
A-132-1 Dual linear VCA
A-143-3 Quad LFO
A-172 Max-Min Selector

I use these modules to process instruments as well as for sound design
(using the LFOs as oscillators). I have been planning to expand this
system to process acoustic instruments during live performance, and I
consider the following modules:

A-106 Xtreme Filter
A-110 VCO
A-114 Ring Mod
A-118 Noise/Random
A-125 Phaser
A-127 VC Triple Res. Filter
A-175 Dual Inverter
A-188-1 BBD (1024)
A-196 PLL

Since I am after a small, portable system - I have my current modules
in a self-constructed wooden box (50 HP) - I will not buy all these
modules.

I am absolutely sure about getting the A-114 and the A-175 (this one
to use primarily with A-132-1)

From what I have been reading in the list and the doepfer site, I see
A-196 and A-106 to be good additions to a processing system. Please
feel free to offer any replacements for A-106, one of which may be the
A-127. It is too big for my purposes but looks interesting.

I am quite confused about the BBD. Can you go really radical with this
module, other than voltage controlled flangers or delays? What can it
do to a bass clarinet plugged into it?

I plan to get the VCO as a modulateable sound source to feed other
modules (ring modulator, PLL)

The modules I'm really not sure about are the A-125 and A-118. Yeah, a
VC phaser would be nice but it would only be a phaser at the end of
the day and that's boring for my purposes.

What do you make out of all this? I want a small box 50-60 HP wide and
modules that can run on the small power supply (MNT-100 I think is its
code). Do you use Doepfer modules to process acoustic signals? Which
modules? Any modules to vary control voltages drastically? Let's
assume I have 600 Euros for this max.

Thanks!

Korhan

hi korhan,

i can't speak for many of these modules, but those i know are:

a106 extreme filter. 
pretty flexible filter. lp, hp and if you abuse the feedback loop,
also bp.
feedback loop is pretty cool.
self oscillation is possible, but is not very integrated into the
sound overall.
frequency response is not 1v/oct, so you can't use it as a tempered
oscillator.
the asymmetric distortion is less spectacular than you may expect. 
no cv res, which may be an issue for you, since you won't have many
modules lying aroun to use in the feedback loop.
distorts at low levels! your whole patch will have to be half as loud
unless you want permanent distortion. this is my biggest problem when
working live - i often can't do a spontaneous swap of two filters.
possible alternative: a101-1 vactrol filter, which i only got
recently, but is proving itself very valuable and sounds round warm
cuddly and fantastic (except self oscillation, which is brutal). is
also lp,hp,bp.

a118 noise random.
does what it says on the box. coloured noise is great for drum sounds,
but that's probably of little interest in this case.

a188 bbd
this is my favourite module. i don't like flangers, but that's only a
microscopically small proportion of what you can do with these
things.the stuff that happens on stage with mine (i went for the 4096
stages) is the stuff that provokes the most reaction from bands and
audiences. if you ever felt the need to produce the sound of a wounded
and grieving dinosaur and then use it to play a melody that decomposes
while you're doing it, this is a module for you.

hth,

stu


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Korhan Erel" <listekutusu@...>
wrote:

>
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a small Doepfer system consisting of the following modules:
> 
> A-116 Waveform Processor
> A-119 Ext Input/Env Follower
> A-124 Wasp Filter
> A-132-1 Dual linear VCA
> A-143-3 Quad LFO
> A-172 Max-Min Selector
> 
> I use these modules to process instruments as well as for sound design
> (using the LFOs as oscillators). I have been planning to expand this
> system to process acoustic instruments during live performance, and I
> consider the following modules:
> 
> A-106 Xtreme Filter
> A-110 VCO
> A-114 Ring Mod
> A-118 Noise/Random
> A-125 Phaser
> A-127 VC Triple Res. Filter
> A-175 Dual Inverter
> A-188-1 BBD (1024)
> A-196 PLL
> 
> Since I am after a small, portable system - I have my current modules
> in a self-constructed wooden box (50 HP) - I will not buy all these
> modules.
> 
> I am absolutely sure about getting the A-114 and the A-175 (this one
> to use primarily with A-132-1)
> 
> From what I have been reading in the list and the doepfer site, I see
> A-196 and A-106 to be good additions to a processing system. Please
> feel free to offer any replacements for A-106, one of which may be the
> A-127. It is too big for my purposes but looks interesting.
> 
> I am quite confused about the BBD. Can you go really radical with this
> module, other than voltage controlled flangers or delays? What can it
> do to a bass clarinet plugged into it?
> 
> I plan to get the VCO as a modulateable sound source to feed other
> modules (ring modulator, PLL)
> 
> The modules I'm really not sure about are the A-125 and A-118. Yeah, a
> VC phaser would be nice but it would only be a phaser at the end of
> the day and that's boring for my purposes.
> 
> What do you make out of all this? I want a small box 50-60 HP wide and
> modules that can run on the small power supply (MNT-100 I think is its
> code). Do you use Doepfer modules to process acoustic signals? Which
> modules? Any modules to vary control voltages drastically? Let's
> assume I have 600 Euros for this max.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Korhan
>

Hi Korhan

> I use these modules to process instruments as well as for sound design
> (using the LFOs as oscillators). I have been planning to expand this
> system to process acoustic instruments during live performance, and I
> consider the following modules:
> 
> A-106 Xtreme Filter
> A-110 VCO
> A-114 Ring Mod
> A-118 Noise/Random
> A-125 Phaser
> A-127 VC Triple Res. Filter
> A-175 Dual Inverter
> A-188-1 BBD (1024)
> A-196 PLL

> What can it
> do to a bass clarinet plugged into it?
OK, I assume your instrument is woodwind (bass clarinet, but maybe 
others like saxophon).

So my definite recommendation is:
A-188 any BBD (which one is matter of taste) not for flanger, but for 
standing resonances, karplusstrong stuff...

A-137 Waveshaper. This is a MUST for a monophonic acoustic instrument. I 
do not know whether you work already with some kind of distortion, but 
this one goes far beyond all you could think until now about distortion. 
And while the most synth audio modules require very constant sound, the 
waveshaper shows its real pwoer with dynamic input material from ppp to fff.

A-114 as Ring modulator is very nice, but it is only one single sound, 
which could be achived very similar also by audiomodulation of a filter 
or VCA.

A-106 with a clearinet I'd go instead for the A-101-1.

The A-196 can(!) be very interesting with an clarinet, but don't be 
disappointed, if you find, that it is too extreme. If you want the 
original PLL usage (transpose frequencies), then a guitar stompbox or a 
Boss RPS10 might be interesting too.

A-110 is ok (but modify it so you can tune it through the full range 
witht he pot)

Cancel the A-127 you already have two filters, you don't need this.

Cancel the A-125, and get instead a used guitar stompbox.


instead: more CV sources which make your play vivid:
-> Get a Sample and Hold and a Slew Limiter, i think there is a AS combi 
module.

Some kind of analogue sequencer, not the A155, but maybe a A160/161 or a 
A151 plus a mixer.

Trigger them by the gate out from the 119, and each note will have a 
different sound.

finally: you will be in need of multiples. So don't forget them.




Florian

"The digital modules (A112 and the bitcrushers) are interesting, but
they are easily done within the computer"

although i have some sympathy with this view, the same could be said
of filters and all that, realistically. 

although there are endless debates to be had about sound quality, to
my mind the key difference between noddling on screen with plugins,
and noodling in the basement with boxes knobs and wires, is the
different way of working, the different varieties of serendipitous
discoveries, the different workflows which can be better or worse for
spontaneous playing around, and so on. 

so i would still say that digital modules are a good idea. remember
too that we are talking about high church hipster 8bit digital crud
modules, in the harvestman and a112 stuff. not waves plugins.



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Korhan Erel" <listekutusu@...>
wrote:
>
> Thank you very much partlydrone, stu and florian! The instrument I
have in
> mind is indeed a bass clarinet, which is played wonderfully by a
friend of
> mine. But I would like to use this setup with other instruments, such as
> electric guitar, tenor saxophone or even vocals. I play in a free
> improvisation group and would like to use the modules there (I
normally use
> Audiomulch to create sounds and process instruments)
> 
> I guess the BBD is definitely on the shopping list now. So is the
A-137 -
> I'll have to ask Schneidersbuero if they would go for a swap.
> 
> The digital modules (A112 and the bitcrushers) are interesting, but
they are
> easily done within the computer (including CV control with Pluggo by
Cycling
> 74). I would like to keep this process as analog as possible.
> 
> The phaser was only interesting for the CV input, but it's not on
the list
> anymore.
> 
> I wanted the noise/random module for the random part, but I am open
to other
> suggestions.
> 
> Florian, can you please elaborate on the use of A160,161 or the
A151. I am
> totally unfamiliar with these modules and cannot imagine how I could use
> them in my setup. An example that contains some of the modules mentioned
> here would be very useful.
> 
> What would happen if an instrument, a clarinet or tenor sax, is fed
directly
> into a PLL? You can assume that the instrumentalists are virtuosos
and can
> play whatever is required. I am looking for radical changes - I
would prefer
> terrible pitch tracking to very good pitch tracking.
> 
> I can already use the Quad LFO as an oscillator, but would like to
modulate
> the frequency and hence want the A-110. Envelope out from A-119
would be a
> nice modulation source for the A-110, I guess.
> 
> The S&H is the A-148.Slew limiters are 170 and 171. 170 has two, 171
has CV
> control. Which one should I get? I'm usually a numbers guy and
assume 2 is
> better than 1.
> 
> I do have one Multiplier.
> 
> Thanks once more! I have already a much better idea. I'll try to put all
> your suggestions together and see what comes out (in functionality
and in
> Euros)
> 
> Best,
> 
> Korhan
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/2/08, Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@...> wrote:
> >
> >   Hi Korhan
> >
> > > I use these modules to process instruments as well as for sound
design
> > > (using the LFOs as oscillators). I have been planning to expand this
> > > system to process acoustic instruments during live performance,
and I
> > > consider the following modules:
> > >
> > > A-106 Xtreme Filter
> > > A-110 VCO
> > > A-114 Ring Mod
> > > A-118 Noise/Random
> > > A-125 Phaser
> > > A-127 VC Triple Res. Filter
> > > A-175 Dual Inverter
> > > A-188-1 BBD (1024)
> > > A-196 PLL
> >
> > > What can it
> > > do to a bass clarinet plugged into it?
> > OK, I assume your instrument is woodwind (bass clarinet, but maybe
> > others like saxophon).
> >
> > So my definite recommendation is:
> > A-188 any BBD (which one is matter of taste) not for flanger, but for
> > standing resonances, karplusstrong stuff...
> >
> > A-137 Waveshaper. This is a MUST for a monophonic acoustic
instrument. I
> > do not know whether you work already with some kind of distortion, but
> > this one goes far beyond all you could think until now about
distortion.
> > And while the most synth audio modules require very constant
sound, the
> > waveshaper shows its real pwoer with dynamic input material from
ppp to
> > fff.
> >
> > A-114 as Ring modulator is very nice, but it is only one single sound,
> > which could be achived very similar also by audiomodulation of a
filter
> > or VCA.
> >
> > A-106 with a clearinet I'd go instead for the A-101-1.
> >
> > The A-196 can(!) be very interesting with an clarinet, but don't be
> > disappointed, if you find, that it is too extreme. If you want the
> > original PLL usage (transpose frequencies), then a guitar stompbox
or a
> > Boss RPS10 might be interesting too.
> >
> > A-110 is ok (but modify it so you can tune it through the full range
> > witht he pot)
> >
> > Cancel the A-127 you already have two filters, you don't need this.
> >
> > Cancel the A-125, and get instead a used guitar stompbox.
> >
> > instead: more CV sources which make your play vivid:
> > -> Get a Sample and Hold and a Slew Limiter, i think there is a AS
combi
> > module.
> >
> > Some kind of analogue sequencer, not the A155, but maybe a
A160/161 or a

> > A151 plus a mixer.
> >
> > Trigger them by the gate out from the 119, and each note will have a
> > different sound.
> >
> > finally: you will be in need of multiples. So don't forget them.
> >
> > Florian
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thank you very much partlydrone, stu and florian! The instrument I have in
mind is indeed a bass clarinet, which is played wonderfully by a friend of
mine. But I would like to use this setup with other instruments, such as
electric guitar, tenor saxophone or even vocals. I play in a free
improvisation group and would like to use the modules there (I normally use
Audiomulch to create sounds and process instruments)

I guess the BBD is definitely on the shopping list now. So is the A-137 -
I'll have to ask Schneidersbuero if they would go for a swap.

The digital modules (A112 and the bitcrushers) are interesting, but they are
easily done within the computer (including CV control with Pluggo by Cycling
74). I would like to keep this process as analog as possible.

The phaser was only interesting for the CV input, but it's not on the list
anymore.

I wanted the noise/random module for the random part, but I am open to other
suggestions.

Florian, can you please elaborate on the use of A160,161 or the A151. I am
totally unfamiliar with these modules and cannot imagine how I could use
them in my setup. An example that contains some of the modules mentioned
here would be very useful.

What would happen if an instrument, a clarinet or tenor sax, is fed directly
into a PLL? You can assume that the instrumentalists are virtuosos and can
play whatever is required. I am looking for radical changes - I would prefer
terrible pitch tracking to very good pitch tracking.

I can already use the Quad LFO as an oscillator, but would like to modulate
the frequency and hence want the A-110. Envelope out from A-119 would be a
nice modulation source for the A-110, I guess.

The S&H is the A-148.Slew limiters are 170 and 171. 170 has two, 171 has CV
control. Which one should I get? I'm usually a numbers guy and assume 2 is
better than 1.

I do have one Multiplier.

Thanks once more! I have already a much better idea. I'll try to put all
your suggestions together and see what comes out (in functionality and in
Euros)

Best,

Korhan



On 3/2/08, Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de> wrote:
>
>   Hi Korhan
>
> > I use these modules to process instruments as well as for sound design
> > (using the LFOs as oscillators). I have been planning to expand this
> > system to process acoustic instruments during live performance, and I
> > consider the following modules:
> >
> > A-106 Xtreme Filter
> > A-110 VCO
> > A-114 Ring Mod
> > A-118 Noise/Random
> > A-125 Phaser
> > A-127 VC Triple Res. Filter
> > A-175 Dual Inverter
> > A-188-1 BBD (1024)
> > A-196 PLL
>
> > What can it
> > do to a bass clarinet plugged into it?
> OK, I assume your instrument is woodwind (bass clarinet, but maybe
> others like saxophon).
>
> So my definite recommendation is:
> A-188 any BBD (which one is matter of taste) not for flanger, but for
> standing resonances, karplusstrong stuff...
>
> A-137 Waveshaper. This is a MUST for a monophonic acoustic instrument. I
> do not know whether you work already with some kind of distortion, but
> this one goes far beyond all you could think until now about distortion.
> And while the most synth audio modules require very constant sound, the
> waveshaper shows its real pwoer with dynamic input material from ppp to
> fff.
>
> A-114 as Ring modulator is very nice, but it is only one single sound,
> which could be achived very similar also by audiomodulation of a filter
> or VCA.
>
> A-106 with a clearinet I'd go instead for the A-101-1.
>
> The A-196 can(!) be very interesting with an clarinet, but don't be
> disappointed, if you find, that it is too extreme. If you want the
> original PLL usage (transpose frequencies), then a guitar stompbox or a
> Boss RPS10 might be interesting too.
>
> A-110 is ok (but modify it so you can tune it through the full range
> witht he pot)
>
> Cancel the A-127 you already have two filters, you don't need this.
>
> Cancel the A-125, and get instead a used guitar stompbox.
>
> instead: more CV sources which make your play vivid:
> -> Get a Sample and Hold and a Slew Limiter, i think there is a AS combi
> module.
>
> Some kind of analogue sequencer, not the A155, but maybe a A160/161 or a
> A151 plus a mixer.
>
> Trigger them by the gate out from the 119, and each note will have a
> different sound.
>
> finally: you will be in need of multiples. So don't forget them.
>
> Florian
> 
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi,

I agree that knobs rule over plugins (even though I control mine with knobs
:-), but I have a limited budget and space and would like to spend it on
"analog" stuff than bitcrushers. A-112 is definitely interesting, but I'd
like to see it in action first - which is impossible here in Turkey. I
should go to Berlin sometime.

Best,

Korhan

On 3/3/08, partlydrone <partlydrone@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   "The digital modules (A112 and the bitcrushers) are interesting, but
> they are easily done within the computer"
>
> although i have some sympathy with this view, the same could be said
> of filters and all that, realistically.
>
> although there are endless debates to be had about sound quality, to
> my mind the key difference between noddling on screen with plugins,
> and noodling in the basement with boxes knobs and wires, is the
> different way of working, the different varieties of serendipitous
> discoveries, the different workflows which can be better or worse for
> spontaneous playing around, and so on.
>
> so i would still say that digital modules are a good idea. remember
> too that we are talking about high church hipster 8bit digital crud
> modules, in the harvestman and a112 stuff. not waves plugins.
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Korhan Erel" <listekutusu@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much partlydrone, stu and florian! The instrument I
> have in
> > mind is indeed a bass clarinet, which is played wonderfully by a
> friend of
> > mine. But I would like to use this setup with other instruments, such as
> > electric guitar, tenor saxophone or even vocals. I play in a free
> > improvisation group and would like to use the modules there (I
> normally use
> > Audiomulch to create sounds and process instruments)
> >
> > I guess the BBD is definitely on the shopping list now. So is the
> A-137 -
> > I'll have to ask Schneidersbuero if they would go for a swap.
> >
> > The digital modules (A112 and the bitcrushers) are interesting, but
> they are
> > easily done within the computer (including CV control with Pluggo by
> Cycling
> > 74). I would like to keep this process as analog as possible.
> >
> > The phaser was only interesting for the CV input, but it's not on
> the list
> > anymore.
> >
> > I wanted the noise/random module for the random part, but I am open
> to other
> > suggestions.
> >
> > Florian, can you please elaborate on the use of A160,161 or the
> A151. I am
> > totally unfamiliar with these modules and cannot imagine how I could use
> > them in my setup. An example that contains some of the modules mentioned
> > here would be very useful.
> >
> > What would happen if an instrument, a clarinet or tenor sax, is fed
> directly
> > into a PLL? You can assume that the instrumentalists are virtuosos
> and can
> > play whatever is required. I am looking for radical changes - I
> would prefer
> > terrible pitch tracking to very good pitch tracking.
> >
> > I can already use the Quad LFO as an oscillator, but would like to
> modulate
> > the frequency and hence want the A-110. Envelope out from A-119
> would be a
> > nice modulation source for the A-110, I guess.
> >
> > The S&H is the A-148.Slew limiters are 170 and 171. 170 has two, 171
> has CV
> > control. Which one should I get? I'm usually a numbers guy and
> assume 2 is
> > better than 1.
> >
> > I do have one Multiplier.
> >
> > Thanks once more! I have already a much better idea. I'll try to put all
> > your suggestions together and see what comes out (in functionality
> and in
> > Euros)
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Korhan
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/2/08, Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Korhan
> > >
> > > > I use these modules to process instruments as well as for sound
> design
> > > > (using the LFOs as oscillators). I have been planning to expand this
> > > > system to process acoustic instruments during live performance,
> and I
> > > > consider the following modules:
> > > >
> > > > A-106 Xtreme Filter
> > > > A-110 VCO
> > > > A-114 Ring Mod
> > > > A-118 Noise/Random
> > > > A-125 Phaser
> > > > A-127 VC Triple Res. Filter
> > > > A-175 Dual Inverter
> > > > A-188-1 BBD (1024)
> > > > A-196 PLL
> > >
> > > > What can it
> > > > do to a bass clarinet plugged into it?
> > > OK, I assume your instrument is woodwind (bass clarinet, but maybe
> > > others like saxophon).
> > >
> > > So my definite recommendation is:
> > > A-188 any BBD (which one is matter of taste) not for flanger, but for
> > > standing resonances, karplusstrong stuff...
> > >
> > > A-137 Waveshaper. This is a MUST for a monophonic acoustic
> instrument. I
> > > do not know whether you work already with some kind of distortion, but
> > > this one goes far beyond all you could think until now about
> distortion.
> > > And while the most synth audio modules require very constant
> sound, the
> > > waveshaper shows its real pwoer with dynamic input material from
> ppp to
> > > fff.
> > >
> > > A-114 as Ring modulator is very nice, but it is only one single sound,
> > > which could be achived very similar also by audiomodulation of a
> filter
> > > or VCA.
> > >
> > > A-106 with a clearinet I'd go instead for the A-101-1.
> > >
> > > The A-196 can(!) be very interesting with an clarinet, but don't be
> > > disappointed, if you find, that it is too extreme. If you want the
> > > original PLL usage (transpose frequencies), then a guitar stompbox
> or a
> > > Boss RPS10 might be interesting too.
> > >
> > > A-110 is ok (but modify it so you can tune it through the full range
> > > witht he pot)
> > >
> > > Cancel the A-127 you already have two filters, you don't need this.
> > >
> > > Cancel the A-125, and get instead a used guitar stompbox.
> > >
> > > instead: more CV sources which make your play vivid:
> > > -> Get a Sample and Hold and a Slew Limiter, i think there is a AS
> combi
> > > module.
> > >
> > > Some kind of analogue sequencer, not the A155, but maybe a
> A160/161 or a
> > > A151 plus a mixer.
> > >
> > > Trigger them by the gate out from the 119, and each note will have a
> > > different sound.
> > >
> > > finally: you will be in need of multiples. So don't forget them.
> > >
> > > Florian
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> 
>


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yeah, it's annoying that there's a paucity of youtube vids of doepfer
modules, i'm coming to the end of a few projects so i might
procrastinate by bunging some up myself soon, will make sure to focus
on the magic of the a112. 

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Korhan Erel" <listekutusu@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
> I agree that knobs rule over plugins (even though I control mine
with knobs
> :-), but I have a limited budget and space and would like to spend it on
> "analog" stuff than bitcrushers. A-112 is definitely interesting,
but I'd
> like to see it in action first - which is impossible here in Turkey. I
> should go to Berlin sometime.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Korhan
> 
> On 3/3/08, partlydrone <partlydrone@...> wrote:
> >
> >   "The digital modules (A112 and the bitcrushers) are interesting, but
> > they are easily done within the computer"
> >
> > although i have some sympathy with this view, the same could be said
> > of filters and all that, realistically.
> >
> > although there are endless debates to be had about sound quality, to
> > my mind the key difference between noddling on screen with plugins,
> > and noodling in the basement with boxes knobs and wires, is the
> > different way of working, the different varieties of serendipitous
> > discoveries, the different workflows which can be better or worse for
> > spontaneous playing around, and so on.
> >
> > so i would still say that digital modules are a good idea. remember
> > too that we are talking about high church hipster 8bit digital crud
> > modules, in the harvestman and a112 stuff. not waves plugins.
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Korhan Erel" <listekutusu@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you very much partlydrone, stu and florian! The instrument I
> > have in
> > > mind is indeed a bass clarinet, which is played wonderfully by a
> > friend of
> > > mine. But I would like to use this setup with other instruments,
such as
> > > electric guitar, tenor saxophone or even vocals. I play in a free
> > > improvisation group and would like to use the modules there (I
> > normally use
> > > Audiomulch to create sounds and process instruments)
> > >
> > > I guess the BBD is definitely on the shopping list now. So is the
> > A-137 -
> > > I'll have to ask Schneidersbuero if they would go for a swap.
> > >
> > > The digital modules (A112 and the bitcrushers) are interesting, but
> > they are
> > > easily done within the computer (including CV control with Pluggo by
> > Cycling
> > > 74). I would like to keep this process as analog as possible.
> > >
> > > The phaser was only interesting for the CV input, but it's not on
> > the list
> > > anymore.
> > >
> > > I wanted the noise/random module for the random part, but I am open
> > to other
> > > suggestions.
> > >
> > > Florian, can you please elaborate on the use of A160,161 or the
> > A151. I am
> > > totally unfamiliar with these modules and cannot imagine how I
could use
> > > them in my setup. An example that contains some of the modules
mentioned
> > > here would be very useful.
> > >
> > > What would happen if an instrument, a clarinet or tenor sax, is fed
> > directly
> > > into a PLL? You can assume that the instrumentalists are virtuosos
> > and can
> > > play whatever is required. I am looking for radical changes - I
> > would prefer
> > > terrible pitch tracking to very good pitch tracking.
> > >
> > > I can already use the Quad LFO as an oscillator, but would like to
> > modulate
> > > the frequency and hence want the A-110. Envelope out from A-119
> > would be a
> > > nice modulation source for the A-110, I guess.
> > >
> > > The S&H is the A-148.Slew limiters are 170 and 171. 170 has two, 171
> > has CV
> > > control. Which one should I get? I'm usually a numbers guy and
> > assume 2 is
> > > better than 1.
> > >
> > > I do have one Multiplier.
> > >
> > > Thanks once more! I have already a much better idea. I'll try to
put all
> > > your suggestions together and see what comes out (in functionality
> > and in
> > > Euros)
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Korhan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/2/08, Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Korhan
> > > >
> > > > > I use these modules to process instruments as well as for sound
> > design
> > > > > (using the LFOs as oscillators). I have been planning to
expand this
> > > > > system to process acoustic instruments during live performance,
> > and I
> > > > > consider the following modules:
> > > > >
> > > > > A-106 Xtreme Filter
> > > > > A-110 VCO
> > > > > A-114 Ring Mod
> > > > > A-118 Noise/Random
> > > > > A-125 Phaser
> > > > > A-127 VC Triple Res. Filter
> > > > > A-175 Dual Inverter
> > > > > A-188-1 BBD (1024)
> > > > > A-196 PLL
> > > >
> > > > > What can it
> > > > > do to a bass clarinet plugged into it?
> > > > OK, I assume your instrument is woodwind (bass clarinet, but maybe
> > > > others like saxophon).
> > > >
> > > > So my definite recommendation is:
> > > > A-188 any BBD (which one is matter of taste) not for flanger,
but for
> > > > standing resonances, karplusstrong stuff...
> > > >
> > > > A-137 Waveshaper. This is a MUST for a monophonic acoustic
> > instrument. I
> > > > do not know whether you work already with some kind of
distortion, but
> > > > this one goes far beyond all you could think until now about
> > distortion.
> > > > And while the most synth audio modules require very constant
> > sound, the
> > > > waveshaper shows its real pwoer with dynamic input material from
> > ppp to
> > > > fff.
> > > >
> > > > A-114 as Ring modulator is very nice, but it is only one
single sound,
> > > > which could be achived very similar also by audiomodulation of a
> > filter
> > > > or VCA.
> > > >
> > > > A-106 with a clearinet I'd go instead for the A-101-1.
> > > >
> > > > The A-196 can(!) be very interesting with an clarinet, but
don't be
> > > > disappointed, if you find, that it is too extreme. If you want the
> > > > original PLL usage (transpose frequencies), then a guitar stompbox
> > or a
> > > > Boss RPS10 might be interesting too.
> > > >
> > > > A-110 is ok (but modify it so you can tune it through the full
range
> > > > witht he pot)
> > > >
> > > > Cancel the A-127 you already have two filters, you don't need
this.
> > > >
> > > > Cancel the A-125, and get instead a used guitar stompbox.
> > > >
> > > > instead: more CV sources which make your play vivid:
> > > > -> Get a Sample and Hold and a Slew Limiter, i think there is a AS
> > combi
> > > > module.
> > > >
> > > > Some kind of analogue sequencer, not the A155, but maybe a
> > A160/161 or a
> > > > A151 plus a mixer.
> > > >
> > > > Trigger them by the gate out from the 119, and each note will
have a

> > > > different sound.
> > > >
> > > > finally: you will be in need of multiples. So don't forget them.
> > > >
> > > > Florian
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hello Korhan

> Florian, can you please elaborate on the use of A160,161 or the A151. I am
> totally unfamiliar with these modules and cannot imagine how I could use
> them in my setup. An example that contains some of the modules mentioned
> here would be very useful.
Have alook at http://www.doepfer.de/a100_man/A161_man.pdf
Page 8 contains an example for the usage of A161 with A131 as a sequencer.

The A-151 would work similar, but to achieve the same effect you have to 
feed a constant voltage into the common i/o of the module. You will get 
more variations if this is not a constant voltage but a LFO or some 
quasi random stuff (like LFOs in the audio range or VCOs).



> What would happen if an instrument, a clarinet or tenor sax, is fed directly
> into a PLL? You can assume that the instrumentalists are virtuosos and can
> play whatever is required. I am looking for radical changes - 
> I would prefer terrible pitch tracking to very good pitch tracking.
Then the A-196 is the right choice: terrible pitch tracking at its best.


> the frequency and hence want the A-110. Envelope out from A-119 would be a
> nice modulation source for the A-110, I guess.
That is right. Especially if you use the VCO-out as modulation source 
for a high resonating VCF (can create some "talking" sounds).

> The S&H is the A-148.Slew limiters are 170 and 171. 170 has two, 171 has CV
> control. Which one should I get? I'm usually a numbers guy and assume 2 is
> better than 1.
ok, AS does not have a S&H + Slewlimiter as combimodule. But others that 
are interesting:
http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/modules/rs40.htm
http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/modules/rs380.htm

The A171 slewlimiter is definitely recommended over the A170, because of 
its usability in connection with the PLL A-196 (too complicated to 
explain now).

Florian

Thanks man. Let me know when you put them up.

The A-112's record/play mode cannot be toggled by CV, right? If this was
possible, I would get several of these units probably. Is there any
modification to achieve this?



On 3/3/08, Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de> wrote:
>
>   Hello Korhan
>
> > Florian, can you please elaborate on the use of A160,161 or the A151. I
> am
> > totally unfamiliar with these modules and cannot imagine how I could use
> > them in my setup. An example that contains some of the modules mentioned
> > here would be very useful.
> Have alook at http://www.doepfer.de/a100_man/A161_man.pdf
> Page 8 contains an example for the usage of A161 with A131 as a sequencer.
>
> The A-151 would work similar, but to achieve the same effect you have to
> feed a constant voltage into the common i/o of the module. You will get
> more variations if this is not a constant voltage but a LFO or some
> quasi random stuff (like LFOs in the audio range or VCOs).
>
> > What would happen if an instrument, a clarinet or tenor sax, is fed
> directly
> > into a PLL? You can assume that the instrumentalists are virtuosos and
> can
> > play whatever is required. I am looking for radical changes -
> > I would prefer terrible pitch tracking to very good pitch tracking.
> Then the A-196 is the right choice: terrible pitch tracking at its best.
>
> > the frequency and hence want the A-110. Envelope out from A-119 would be
> a
> > nice modulation source for the A-110, I guess.
> That is right. Especially if you use the VCO-out as modulation source
> for a high resonating VCF (can create some "talking" sounds).
>
> > The S&H is the A-148.Slew limiters are 170 and 171. 170 has two, 171 has
> CV
> > control. Which one should I get? I'm usually a numbers guy and assume 2
> is
> > better than 1.
> ok, AS does not have a S&H + Slewlimiter as combimodule. But others that
> are interesting:
> http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/modules/rs40.htm
> http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/modules/rs380.htm
>
> The A171 slewlimiter is definitely recommended over the A170, because of
> its usability in connection with the PLL A-196 (too complicated to
> explain now).
>
> Florian
> 
>


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Perhaps I just missed it, but I don't recall seeing an A-126 Voltage 
Controlled Frequency Shifter on your list.  This module can give you a 
lot of interesting modifications to external sounds.  Also, I was 
playing around with it last night, using the Quad LFO as an oscillator, 
and using the A-126 to change the overall oscillator pitch (modulated 
by an A-155 sequencer).

Hi,

Thanks for the suggestion. You did not see it on the initial list because
it's one of the modules that has a high price tag for what it does. However,
if I had a higher budget, it would be on the list. :-)


On 3/3/08, deastman2 <deastman2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   Perhaps I just missed it, but I don't recall seeing an A-126 Voltage
> Controlled Frequency Shifter on your list. This module can give you a
> lot of interesting modifications to external sounds. Also, I was
> playing around with it last night, using the Quad LFO as an oscillator,
> and using the A-126 to change the overall oscillator pitch (modulated
> by an A-155 sequencer).
>
> 
>


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Guess Korhan had refered to how to trigger the A160!? You can use 
your LFO's square out for this. (Even some of the other outs will
*probably* work fine for the.) Regards, Ingo

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander
<Florian.Anwander@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Korhan,
> 
> > Florian, thanks for the eloboration on the 160-161-151, but I'm
still not
> > clear how I can use these, since they are basically gate
sequencers and I
> > have nothing to trigger in my setup (yet). Or am I missing something?
> Yes you are missing something ;-) The sentence of the day is: A gate is 
> nothing than a voltage too!
> 
> A gate is 5Volts. If you send this gate into the channel a mixer, and 
> turn down the "volume" of this channel the half, then the mixer will 
> output 2.5 Volts.
> 
> Ok, now you take the first four outputs of a A-161. Step by step each 
> output will have 5 Volts. Now every output is connected to the input of 
> the mixer. At the mixer you adjust each channel with another "volume". 
> Lets say, the first is half, the second is fully counterclockwise, the 
> third is at quarter position and the fourth at 3/4 position.
> So the Mixer will output 2.5 Volts with the first step of the gate 
> sequence;  0 Volts with the second step; 1.25 Volts with the third step 
> and 3.75 Volts with the fourth step.
> 
> As you see the Mixer "converts" the gatesequence into a voltage
sequence.

> 
> Florian
>

Here's the current list after your valuable advice:

A-137 Wave Multiplier
A-148 Dual S&H / T&H
A-171 VC Slew Limiter
A-175 Dual Inverter
A-188-1 BBD (1024)
A-196 PLL

Substitutes:

(A-101-1 Steiner Filter) - this seems like a very nice filter, but I'll
leave this out for financial reasons.
(A-114 Ring Mod)
(A-112 Sampler) - once someone demonstrates me the real benefit - I would
definitely buy one or more if it were possible to switch between play/record
via trigger inputs - an idea for a future module perhaps?

Florian, thanks for the eloboration on the 160-161-151, but I'm still not
clear how I can use these, since they are basically gate sequencers and I
have nothing to trigger in my setup (yet). Or am I missing something?

Some of you have kindly recommended modules by other manufacturers but
Doepfer modules are the most reasonable priced ones, so I'll stick with
Dieter's merchandise for the time being :-)

Thanks again!

Korhan


On 3/3/08, Korhan Erel <listekutusu@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the suggestion. You did not see it on the initial list because
> it's one of the modules that has a high price tag for what it does. However,
> if I had a higher budget, it would be on the list. :-)
>
>
>  On 3/3/08, deastman2 <deastman2@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >   Perhaps I just missed it, but I don't recall seeing an A-126 Voltage
> > Controlled Frequency Shifter on your list. This module can give you a
> > lot of interesting modifications to external sounds. Also, I was
> > playing around with it last night, using the Quad LFO as an oscillator,
> > and using the A-126 to change the overall oscillator pitch (modulated
> > by an A-155 sequencer).
> >
> > 
> >
>
>


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Hi Korhan,

> Florian, thanks for the eloboration on the 160-161-151, but I'm still not
> clear how I can use these, since they are basically gate sequencers and I
> have nothing to trigger in my setup (yet). Or am I missing something?
Yes you are missing something ;-) The sentence of the day is: A gate is 
nothing than a voltage too!

A gate is 5Volts. If you send this gate into the channel a mixer, and 
turn down the "volume" of this channel the half, then the mixer will 
output 2.5 Volts.

Ok, now you take the first four outputs of a A-161. Step by step each 
output will have 5 Volts. Now every output is connected to the input of 
the mixer. At the mixer you adjust each channel with another "volume". 
Lets say, the first is half, the second is fully counterclockwise, the 
third is at quarter position and the fourth at 3/4 position.
So the Mixer will output 2.5 Volts with the first step of the gate 
sequence;  0 Volts with the second step; 1.25 Volts with the third step 
and 3.75 Volts with the fourth step.

As you see the Mixer "converts" the gatesequence into a voltage sequence.

Florian

Hi Ingo

> Guess Korhan had refered to how to trigger the A160!? You can use 
> your LFO's square out for this. (Even some of the other outs will
> *probably* work fine for the.) Regards, Ingo
Thats at least a necessary additional explanation too!

Thanks, Florian

Hi!

Thanks for the responses. I was kind of clear on how to trigger the 160, but
thanks for confirming it Ingo. I saw the example in the A161 manual about
using the mixer to turn it into a sequencer, but since a mixer is not on my
list (and will not be for a while), I didn't see the connection to my case.
I guess this setup would work best with the CV controlled mixer, but then
instead of buying 4 modules (two mixers for 8 steps), I'd go buy the A-155
right? The 155 costs more than the total of those 4 modules but it offers a
lot more. Right?

Best,

Korhan


On 3/4/08, Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de> wrote:
>
>   Hi Ingo
>
> > Guess Korhan had refered to how to trigger the A160!? You can use
> > your LFO's square out for this. (Even some of the other outs will
> > *probably* work fine for the.) Regards, Ingo
> Thats at least a necessary additional explanation too!
>
> Thanks, Florian
> 
>


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> (A-112 Sampler) - once someone demonstrates me the real benefit - I would
> definitely buy one or more if it were possible to switch between
play/record
> via trigger inputs - an idea for a future module perhaps?

Please refer the corresponding messages about one month ago (~ Feb. 05,
2008). Here a CV control of the parameters controlled by the switches has
been described.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Hi Korhan,

> instead of buying 4 modules (two mixers for 8 steps), I'd go buy the A-155
> right? The 155 costs more than the total of those 4 modules but it offers a
> lot more. Right?
Yes and no. The mixers still also can be used as mixers, and the A-161 
still can be a nice trigger generator (e.g for miniature beatboxes with 
resonant filters), whilest the A155 will stay always a sequencer.

Nevertheless the A-155 (especially in coopertation with the A-154) is a 
very recommendable tool, if you want to go in the direction of 
electronic music.

Florian

it's here:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Doepfer_a100/message/14388?threaded=1&p=3



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <hardware@...> wrote:
>
> > (A-112 Sampler) - once someone demonstrates me the real benefit -
I would
> > definitely buy one or more if it were possible to switch between
> play/record
> > via trigger inputs - an idea for a future module perhaps?
> 
> Please refer the corresponding messages about one month ago (~ Feb. 05,
> 2008). Here a CV control of the parameters controlled by the
switches has

> been described.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

Hi Florian,

My biggest concern is portability. I want to keep things small and portable.
Getting the 154-155 combo in addition to the processing modules would give
me a big system that's difficult to carry around, which also happens to cost
a lot (I need money to replace my laptop, too).

I think I'll drop the idea of a sequencer for the time being, but thank you
very much for all your input on this, as it was quite illuminating for me.

Best,

Korhan


On 3/5/08, partlydrone <partlydrone@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   it's here:
>
>
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Doepfer_a100/message/14388?threaded=1&p=3
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> <hardware@...> wrote:
> >
> > > (A-112 Sampler) - once someone demonstrates me the real benefit -
> I would
> > > definitely buy one or more if it were possible to switch between
> > play/record
> > > via trigger inputs - an idea for a future module perhaps?
> >
> > Please refer the corresponding messages about one month ago (~ Feb. 05,
> > 2008). Here a CV control of the parameters controlled by the
> switches has
> > been described.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
>
> 
>


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