Doepfer

You have asked for new ideas for modules, what about new ideas for 
cases?  One of the roadblocks that many people (including myself) have 
for purchasing a modular system is access to a low-cost case option.  I 
would propose two ideas for cases:  1) The "Ikea" type where you 
purchase a black covered wood case that is in pieces along with the 
power supply and mounting rails in a relatively flat box.  The customer 
would be responsible for assembly.  and 2) Having a metal rackmount 
frame that is designed to be mounted into an existing rack case, such 
as an SKB case.  A power supply would be provided that the customer 
attaches to one of the inside walls of the rack case.

I do not know if these have been suggested before, I do apologize if 
they have already been considered.

You are in luck!

Doepfer already makes those cases.
1) The "Ikea" type
http://www.doepfer.de/a100_DIY_kits.htm
You'll have to order the wood yourself but that makes it even cheaper.

 2) a metal rackmount frame
http://www.doepfer.de/a100z_e.htm
It is called the basic frame.

I hope those are indeed the cases you were looking for.

regards,
Christophe

--- On Fri, 11/7/08, henfieldj <HenfieldJ@aol.com> wrote:

From: henfieldj <HenfieldJ@aol.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Lower Cost Case Ideas
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 5:56 PM










    
            You have asked for new ideas for modules, what about new ideas for 

cases?  One of the roadblocks that many people (including myself) have 

for purchasing a modular system is access to a low-cost case option.  I 

would propose two ideas for cases:  1) The "Ikea" type where you 

purchase a black covered wood case that is in pieces along with the 

power supply and mounting rails in a relatively flat box.  The customer 

would be responsible for assembly.  and 2) Having a metal rackmount 

frame that is designed to be mounted into an existing rack case, such 

as an SKB case.  A power supply would be provided that the customer 

attaches to one of the inside walls of the rack case.



I do not know if these have been suggested before, I do apologize if 

they have already been considered.  




      

    
    
	
	 
	
	








	


	
	


      

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I think the point was that while an A-100G6 costs $530 the Frac Rack
equivalent is only $260. That's a big difference. 

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Christophe Stoelinga
<crashbikedummy@...> wrote:
>
> You are in luck!
> 
> Doepfer already makes those cases.
> 1) The "Ikea" type
> http://www.doepfer.de/a100_DIY_kits.htm
> You'll have to order the wood yourself but that makes it even cheaper.
> 
>  2) a metal rackmount frame
> http://www.doepfer.de/a100z_e.htm
> It is called the basic frame.
> 
> I hope those are indeed the cases you were looking for.
> 
> regards,
> Christophe
> 
> --- On Fri, 11/7/08, henfieldj <HenfieldJ@...> wrote:
> From: henfieldj <HenfieldJ@...>
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Lower Cost Case Ideas
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 5:56 PM

>     
>             You have asked for new ideas for modules, what about new
ideas for 

> 
> cases?  One of the roadblocks that many people (including myself) have 
> 
> for purchasing a modular system is access to a low-cost case option.  I 
> 
> would propose two ideas for cases:  1) The "Ikea" type where you 
> 
> purchase a black covered wood case that is in pieces along with the 
> 
> power supply and mounting rails in a relatively flat box.  The customer 
> 
> would be responsible for assembly.  and 2) Having a metal rackmount 
> 
> frame that is designed to be mounted into an existing rack case...

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "evetsterueb" <synth@...> wrote:
>
> I think the point was that while an A-100G6 costs $530 the Frac Rack
> equivalent is only $260. That's a big difference. 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Christophe Stoelinga
> <crashbikedummy@> wrote:

Exactly, but even more basic than that, yes I know that Doepfer gives 
you plans with the DIY kits to build your own cases, for those who do 
not possess great woodworking skills or do not have access to the 
tools necessary to cut and drill the wood, these DIY kits are not 
very useful.  Plus if you already offered these as melamine or 
plastic veneer covered pieces, they would be very attractive (at 
least better looking than the compressed sawdust board in the Doepfer 
instructions).  As far as the rack case, what I am looking for is 
more akin just to the front mounting frame (not a complete box like 
the G3 or G6) along with a power supply.  Synthesizers.com has 
something like this available(QCR8 for $65)  along with a power 
supply that has a wire harness with connectors for 8 modules (QPS2 
for $95).  If you have a rack case lying around, it makes the initial 
case / mounting rail / Power supply investment at only $160 (US), 
much lower than the Doepfer G3 price of $460. 

So no, Doepfer does not already make these cases.

> > You are in luck!
> > 
> > Doepfer already makes those cases.
> > 1) The "Ikea" type
> > http://www.doepfer.de/a100_DIY_kits.htm
> > You'll have to order the wood yourself but that makes it even 
cheaper.
> > 
> >  2) a metal rackmount frame
> > http://www.doepfer.de/a100z_e.htm
> > It is called the basic frame.
> > 
> > I hope those are indeed the cases you were looking for.
> > 
> > regards,
> > Christophe
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 11/7/08, henfieldj <HenfieldJ@> wrote:
> > From: henfieldj <HenfieldJ@>
> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Lower Cost Case Ideas
> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 5:56 PM
> 
> >     
> >             You have asked for new ideas for modules, what about 
new
> ideas for 
> > 
> > cases?  One of the roadblocks that many people (including myself) 
have 
> > 
> > for purchasing a modular system is access to a low-cost case 
option.  I 
> > 
> > would propose two ideas for cases:  1) The "Ikea" type where you 
> > 
> > purchase a black covered wood case that is in pieces along with 
the 
> > 
> > power supply and mounting rails in a relatively flat box.  The 
customer 
> > 
> > would be responsible for assembly.  and 2) Having a metal 
rackmount 

> > 
> > frame that is designed to be mounted into an existing rack case...
>

e: Lower Cost Case Ideas
> 
> I think the point was that while an A-100G6 costs $530 the Frac Rack
> equivalent is only $260. That's a big difference. 

Not quite. In order to achieve something along the lines of the A-100G6 you would need the following:

2x PS500A 500mA power supplies (to achieve close to the power of the G6) $99.00 each
2x BR50K-0 sub rackmounting systems $79.00 each
1x PSCONN2 Power Distribution 9 modules $29.00 
1x PSCONNcable (to connect the PSCONN2) $6.00

That is a total of $391.00

Without the PSCONN 2 you may only connect 7 modules to power. With only a single PS500A supply you limit the number and type of modules you may install.

Tony


> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Christophe Stoelinga
> <crashbikedummy@...> wrote:
> >
> > You are in luck!
> > 
> > Doepfer already makes those cases.
> > 1) The "Ikea" type
> > http://www.doepfer.de/a100_DIY_kits.htm
> > You'll have to order the wood yourself but that makes it even cheaper.
> > 
> >  2) a metal rackmount frame
> > http://www.doepfer.de/a100z_e.htm
> > It is called the basic frame.
> > 
> > I hope those are indeed the cases you were looking for.
> > 
> > regards,
> > Christophe
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 11/7/08, henfieldj <HenfieldJ@...> wrote:
> > From: henfieldj <HenfieldJ@...>
> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Lower Cost Case Ideas
> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 5:56 PM
> 
> >     
> >             You have asked for new ideas for modules, what about new
> ideas for 
> > 
> > cases?  One of the roadblocks that many people (including myself) have 
> > 
> > for purchasing a modular system is access to a low-cost case option.  I 
> > 
> > would propose two ideas for cases:  1) The "Ikea" type where you 
> > 
> > purchase a black covered wood case that is in pieces along with the 
> > 
> > power supply and mounting rails in a relatively flat box.  The customer 
> > 
> > would be responsible for assembly.  and 2) Having a metal rackmount 
> > 
> > frame that is designed to be mounted into an existing rack case...
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
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> 
> 
> 

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I know it's not an official Dopfer solution but you can always get a
cheap eurorack frame or two off of ebay and install the PSU and bus
boards of a DIY kit in that. At €120 + the price of the eurorack
frames you can have two rows of modules mounted and powered for less
than €200.

On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:03 PM, henfieldj <HenfieldJ@aol.com> wrote:
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "evetsterueb" <synth@...> wrote:
>>
>> I think the point was that while an A-100G6 costs $530 the Frac Rack
>> equivalent is only $260. That's a big difference.
>>
>> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Christophe Stoelinga
>> <crashbikedummy@> wrote:
>
> Exactly, but even more basic than that, yes I know that Doepfer gives
> you plans with the DIY kits to build your own cases, for those who do
> not possess great woodworking skills or do not have access to the
> tools necessary to cut and drill the wood, these DIY kits are not
> very useful. Plus if you already offered these as melamine or
> plastic veneer covered pieces, they would be very attractive (at
> least better looking than the compressed sawdust board in the Doepfer
> instructions). As far as the rack case, what I am looking for is
> more akin just to the front mounting frame (not a complete box like
> the G3 or G6) along with a power supply. Synthesizers.com has
> something like this available(QCR8 for $65) along with a power
> supply that has a wire harness with connectors for 8 modules (QPS2
> for $95). If you have a rack case lying around, it makes the initial
> case / mounting rail / Power supply investment at only $160 (US),
> much lower than the Doepfer G3 price of $460.
>
> So no, Doepfer does not already make these cases.
>
>> > You are in luck!
>> >
>> > Doepfer already makes those cases.
>> > 1) The "Ikea" type
>> > http://www.doepfer.de/a100_DIY_kits.htm
>> > You'll have to order the wood yourself but that makes it even
> cheaper.
>> >
>> > 2) a metal rackmount frame
>> > http://www.doepfer.de/a100z_e.htm
>> > It is called the basic frame.
>> >
>> > I hope those are indeed the cases you were looking for.
>> >
>> > regards,
>> > Christophe
>> >
>> > --- On Fri, 11/7/08, henfieldj <HenfieldJ@> wrote:
>> > From: henfieldj <HenfieldJ@>
>> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Lower Cost Case Ideas
>> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>> > Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 5:56 PM
>>
>> >
>> > You have asked for new ideas for modules, what about
> new
>> ideas for
>> >
>> > cases? One of the roadblocks that many people (including myself)
> have
>> >
>> > for purchasing a modular system is access to a low-cost case
> option. I
>> >
>> > would propose two ideas for cases: 1) The "Ikea" type where you
>> >
>> > purchase a black covered wood case that is in pieces along with
> the
>> >
>> > power supply and mounting rails in a relatively flat box. The
> customer
>> >
>> > would be responsible for assembly. and 2) Having a metal
> rackmount
>> >
>> > frame that is designed to be mounted into an existing rack case...
>>
>
>

Tony's got a point but two PS500As is overkill for someone just
getting started. As a quick rule of thumb, figure 10 modules per
PS500. The power supply has some power jacks on it so one PSCONN2
would be enough for that. Ten standard sized modules would fill two
Frac Racks. 

Note that you can fit more modules into the Doepfer rack because the
modules tend to be more compact. Still from the perspective getting
asystem started on a budget it still looks like about a $200 difference. 

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Rolando <goldenechos@...>
wrote:
>
> 
> e: Lower Cost Case Ideas
> > 
> > I think the point was that while an A-100G6 costs $530 the Frac Rack
> > equivalent is only $260. That's a big difference. 
> 
> Not quite. In order to achieve something along the lines of the
A-100G6 you would need the following:
> 
> 2x PS500A 500mA power supplies (to achieve close to the power of the
G6) $99.00 each
> 2x BR50K-0 sub rackmounting systems $79.00 each
> 1x PSCONN2 Power Distribution 9 modules $29.00 
> 1x PSCONNcable (to connect the PSCONN2) $6.00
> 
> That is a total of $391.00
> 
> Without the PSCONN 2 you may only connect 7 modules to power. With
only a single PS500A supply you limit the number and type of modules
you may install.
> 
> Tony

I like this idea - im getting into modular synthesis and the case price is killing me..

Im going to get a wooden mini case but that it limited, then after i have a few more 
modules i want to have a rack case.. ideally that i can put in a suitcase / flightcase to gig 
with.

I have had a look at the DIY Kit and i don't get it. there are two versions and they seem to 
use little jacks, with an external PSU rather than just plugging in a kettle lead, which is 
what i want to do.

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "henfieldj" <HenfieldJ@...> wrote:

>
> You have asked for new ideas for modules, what about new ideas for 
> cases?  One of the roadblocks that many people (including myself) have 
> for purchasing a modular system is access to a low-cost case option.  I 
> would propose two ideas for cases:  1) The "Ikea" type where you 
> purchase a black covered wood case that is in pieces along with the 
> power supply and mounting rails in a relatively flat box.  The customer 
> would be responsible for assembly.  and 2) Having a metal rackmount 
> frame that is designed to be mounted into an existing rack case, such 
> as an SKB case.  A power supply would be provided that the customer 
> attaches to one of the inside walls of the rack case.
> 
> I do not know if these have been suggested before, I do apologize if 
> they have already been considered.
>

> 
> I have had a look at the DIY Kit and i don't get it. there are two versions and they seem to 
> use little jacks, with an external PSU rather than just plugging in a kettle lead, which is 
> what i want to do.

I believe this to be necessary in order to avoid possible end user death. Many people have the not the proper experience to work with lethal AC levels.

Tony



> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "henfieldj" <HenfieldJ@...> wrote:
> >
> > You have asked for new ideas for modules, what about new ideas for 
> > cases?  One of the roadblocks that many people (including myself) have 
> > for purchasing a modular system is access to a low-cost case option.  I 
> > would propose two ideas for cases:  1) The "Ikea" type where you 
> > purchase a black covered wood case that is in pieces along with the 
> > power supply and mounting rails in a relatively flat box.  The customer 
> > would be responsible for assembly.  and 2) Having a metal rackmount 
> > frame that is designed to be mounted into an existing rack case, such 
> > as an SKB case.  A power supply would be provided that the customer 
> > attaches to one of the inside walls of the rack case.
> > 
> > I do not know if these have been suggested before, I do apologize if 
> > they have already been considered.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

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> I believe this to be necessary in order to avoid possible end
> user death. Many people have the not the proper experience to
> work with lethal AC levels.
>
> Tony

Exactly. We will not offer kits where the user has to deal with mains
voltages as we do not want to be responsible for any injuries or even the
death of a customer - apart from legal aspects if such an accident may
happen. This is why the DIY kits use external adapters with small voltages
only.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> > I believe this to be necessary in order to avoid possible end
> > user death. Many people have the not the proper experience to
> > work with lethal AC levels.
> >
> > Tony
> 
> Exactly. We will not offer kits where the user has to deal with mains
> voltages as we do not want to be responsible for any injuries or even the
> death of a customer - apart from legal aspects if such an accident may
> happen. This is why the DIY kits use external adapters with small voltages
> only.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
Ahh all makes sense now.. Im looking again at the DIY Kit #1 - I have just found the PDF 
about making your own case, and I was wrong - i was under the impression that the PSU was 
attached to the board, but you can change that as in the PDF, this looks to be the way to go.