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touch keys

2002-07-18 by ringmod45

wow!!!!! i couldn't believe what i read, today. i am shocked that 
doepfer would even consider switching to normal mechanical keys. like 
david salter said i already use an sh-101 to control my A100, i use 
my 101 to do arpeggios and use its sequencer with my A100. why re- 
invent the wheel here, please design something creative.

please don't make the mistake of using normal keys. people pay 
enormous amounts to have touch plates be they made by buchla or 
serge. why ? because they unique controllers, that's why! by reading 
that post, i believe we are in for a major let down guys. it seems 
like the project is directionless by judging on the comments made. 

now we have to vote in a last minute poll to make sure it has touch 
plates. honestly, can you believe this? i made a pretty comprehensive 
poll a few months back. 9 people out of all the members from this 
group bothered to vote. but now we have have to rush out and vote to 
have the main feature of this project included!?!?!!! doepfer has 
never discussed the poll with any of the members from this group, 
judging from the results of such a small group, certain trends were 
definitely wanted by the pollsters. again , has doepfer even 
discussed any of these features with the group? the answer is NO. 
what a shame. 

i had a feeling this was going to happen back then, which is the main 
reason i took the time to write the poll, in order to avoid the 
precise type of comments laid out in mr. doepfer's post. the more 
things change, the more they stay the same. now my thoughts are 
reality. another reason i wrote those ideas down is from my personal 
experiences with touch plate keyboards, i guess customer related 
experiences are not so valauble at doepfer.

i want to enlighten a few of you as to how a company should react and 
use its group members for input on its new and upcoming designs.

THE GROUP IN QUESTION IS MOTM. please go to the group and read how 
the designers and customers work together in order to release a 
product. layout and design features are planned and discussed to 
avoid any screw ups or lack of features.

oh well, here goes another half baked, half realised product coming 
down the pipe. hmmm, reminds me of the schaltwerk and regelwerk.
i won't be buying this pipe dream this time, i'll just go on using my 
SH101, like i have since i got my A100. 

DISAPPOINTED, YOU BET !!!! i hope someone at doepfer realizes that we 
the group and paid customers should be asked to have input in the 
design process and features to avoid serious errors. i feel like i 
just had a shot of battery acid. i am still dumbfounded.

praying some intelligent ideas will prevail,
RM

Re: touch keys

2002-07-22 by its_peake

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45" <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
<snip>
> i want to enlighten a few of you as to how a company should react and 
> use its group members for input on its new and upcoming designs.
> 
> THE GROUP IN QUESTION IS MOTM. please go to the group and read how 
> the designers and customers work together in order to release a 
> product. layout and design features are planned and discussed to 
> avoid any screw ups or lack of features.

Are you referring to this discovery:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/message/15562

This conclusion:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/message/15617

And this response:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/message/15619

(Sorry, no  money-back guarantee like Synthesizers.com)


These classic responses to new feature requests:

> - VC ADSR,

ZZZzzzzzzzzz.........

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Subject: Re: [AH] 2002 preview / MOTM
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:17:50 -0600

24dB Highpass filters:

> > Later, this is probably the least useful of any filter.
>
> Strongly disagree. I consider my Doepfer -24 dB filter one of the
coolest sound-sculpting
tools
> I've ever used.

If you like frying bacon sounds :)

Subject: Re: [AH] 2002 preview / MOTM
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:46:37 -0600

Or the fact that the MO*M forum is censored?

http://www.the-gas-station.com/messages.cfm?Type=normal&thread_id=
46823&#323780

http://www.the-gas-station.com/messages.cfm?Type=normal&thread_id=
46823&#323534

Oh yeah, he doesn't care for Doepfer as well:

The product lines matching most closely the alternative version of
"best"? The beastly Serge and
the vile Doepfer. Man, you can patch things out of those dreadful
toads that would give you bad
dreams for a week.

Subject: Re: [AH] 2002 preview / MOTM
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:19:49 -0500

(At least Doepfer offer a VC ADSR as well as
other envelopes that actually work per expected
envelope behaviour as exhibited over the last
30 or so years...)

In my opinion, keep Doepfer exactly the way it is...
That's all I have to say on this; it speaks for
itself. Just please retain the voltage addressing
of stages on the touch keyboard/sequencer :-D

Easier,

-Mike

Re: touch keys

2002-07-22 by ringmod45

hi mike, i concurrently agree with you on almost all of the points 
you mention. the plus side to the motm is the way modules, functions 
and layouts are discussed with its customers before they go to 
production. that's what i was referring to and not the other stuff.

 i read the posts you mention below, they do not endear me to motm. i 
don't like the trashing everyone gets from motm. i just like the 
fact, that at least there is some communication involved. with 
doepfer you are always in the dark. this is the best market research 
group doepfer could ever have and they constantly ignore certain 
requests for info or upgrades that are desperately needed. 

i am not an motm user and don't think i will buying any of their 
products soon. i am not trying to influence doepfer customers to 
switch their way. i just wish doepfer was a little more involved with 
the group. i should have mentioned Synthesisers.Com as well. please 
check out this group.

i am not trying to bring back the old stuff of the past, but instead 
look to the future where Doepfer can be a little more open with its 
customers and this group. it would be nice if doepfer did discuss 
with the group on the polls and keep us in the loop. from the sounds 
of mr. doepfer's email, maybe a legitimate poll from doepfer would be 
the answer to their "problem child" . maybe a little market research 
with this group will help in the design process to avoid 
disappointments from all sides.

hope it is easier :)
RM

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "its_peake" <its_peake@y...> wrote:
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45" <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> <snip>
> > i want to enlighten a few of you as to how a company should react 
and 
> > use its group members for input on its new and upcoming designs.
> > 
> > THE GROUP IN QUESTION IS MOTM. please go to the group and read 
how

Show quoted textHide quoted text

> > the designers and customers work together in order to release a 
> > product. layout and design features are planned and discussed to 
> > avoid any screw ups or lack of features.
> 
> Are you referring to this discovery:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/message/15562
> 
> This conclusion:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/message/15617
> 
> And this response:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/message/15619
> 
> (Sorry, no  money-back guarantee like Synthesizers.com)
> 
> 
> These classic responses to new feature requests:
> 
> > - VC ADSR,
> 
> ZZZzzzzzzzzz.........
> 
> Subject: Re: [AH] 2002 preview / MOTM
> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:17:50 -0600
> 
> 
> 24dB Highpass filters:
> 
> > > Later, this is probably the least useful of any filter.
> >
> > Strongly disagree. I consider my Doepfer -24 dB filter one of the
> coolest sound-sculpting
> tools
> > I've ever used.
> 
> If you like frying bacon sounds :)
> 
> Subject: Re: [AH] 2002 preview / MOTM
> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:46:37 -0600
> 
> 
> Or the fact that the MO*M forum is censored?
> 
> http://www.the-gas-station.com/messages.cfm?Type=normal&thread_id=
> 46823&#323780
> 
> http://www.the-gas-station.com/messages.cfm?Type=normal&thread_id=
> 46823&#323534
> 
> 
> Oh yeah, he doesn't care for Doepfer as well:
> 
> The product lines matching most closely the alternative version of
> "best"? The beastly Serge and
> the vile Doepfer. Man, you can patch things out of those dreadful
> toads that would give you bad
> dreams for a week.
> 
> Subject: Re: [AH] 2002 preview / MOTM
> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:19:49 -0500
> 
> (At least Doepfer offer a VC ADSR as well as
> other envelopes that actually work per expected
> envelope behaviour as exhibited over the last
> 30 or so years...)
> 
> 
> In my opinion, keep Doepfer exactly the way it is...
> That's all I have to say on this; it speaks for
> itself. Just please retain the voltage addressing
> of stages on the touch keyboard/sequencer :-D
> 
> Easier,
> 
> -Mike

PR relations

2002-07-22 by Andreas Lindholm

Indeed a serious discussion about problems and seems like synt...com take
their pr seriously. Perhaps this has a bit to do with the fact that users
sometimes also build their modular from kits. It is more of an indepth
relation with their machine. I asked mr D about some help replacing my power
supply and he tried very hard to convince me not to even try it. I got a
most kind note that they wanted to keep me as an alive and satisfied
customer. So I got good service from Doepfer, but it reflects a disbelief in
their customer stock. They treat us a bit like john does buying a VCR, as
for MOTM treating their users more like technicians. I feel that Doepfers
position is the right here actually - more people are techno-morons that
skilled.

None the less I am getting a better and better feeling about the motm, so
don't be surpriced if you did steer me into getting some one day... but not
now - now I am looking for a good home cinema setup.


----- Original Message -----

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From: "ringmod45" <ringmod45@yahoo.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 7:55 PM
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: touch keys


> hi mike, i concurrently agree with you on almost all of the points
> you mention. the plus side to the motm is the way modules, functions
> and layouts are discussed with its customers before they go to
> production. that's what i was referring to and not the other stuff.
>
>  i read the posts you mention below, they do not endear me to motm. i
> don't like the trashing everyone gets from motm. i just like the
> fact, that at least there is some communication involved. with
> doepfer you are always in the dark. this is the best market research
> group doepfer could ever have and they constantly ignore certain
> requests for info or upgrades that are desperately needed.
>
>
> i am not an motm user and don't think i will buying any of their
> products soon. i am not trying to influence doepfer customers to
> switch their way. i just wish doepfer was a little more involved with
> the group. i should have mentioned Synthesisers.Com as well. please
> check out this group.
>
> i am not trying to bring back the old stuff of the past, but instead
> look to the future where Doepfer can be a little more open with its
> customers and this group. it would be nice if doepfer did discuss
> with the group on the polls and keep us in the loop. from the sounds
> of mr. doepfer's email, maybe a legitimate poll from doepfer would be
> the answer to their "problem child" . maybe a little market research
> with this group will help in the design process to avoid
> disappointments from all sides.
>
> hope it is easier :)
> RM
>
>
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "its_peake" <its_peake@y...> wrote:
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45" <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > i want to enlighten a few of you as to how a company should react
> and
> > > use its group members for input on its new and upcoming designs.
> > >
> > > THE GROUP IN QUESTION IS MOTM. please go to the group and read
> how
> > > the designers and customers work together in order to release a
> > > product. layout and design features are planned and discussed to
> > > avoid any screw ups or lack of features.
> >
> > Are you referring to this discovery:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/message/15562
> >
> > This conclusion:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/message/15617
> >
> > And this response:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/message/15619
> >
> > (Sorry, no  money-back guarantee like Synthesizers.com)
> >
> >
> > These classic responses to new feature requests:
> >
> > > - VC ADSR,
> >
> > ZZZzzzzzzzzz.........
> >
> > Subject: Re: [AH] 2002 preview / MOTM
> > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:17:50 -0600
> >
> >
> > 24dB Highpass filters:
> >
> > > > Later, this is probably the least useful of any filter.
> > >
> > > Strongly disagree. I consider my Doepfer -24 dB filter one of the
> > coolest sound-sculpting
> > tools
> > > I've ever used.
> >
> > If you like frying bacon sounds :)
> >
> > Subject: Re: [AH] 2002 preview / MOTM
> > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:46:37 -0600
> >
> >
> > Or the fact that the MO*M forum is censored?
> >
> > http://www.the-gas-station.com/messages.cfm?Type=normal&thread_id=
> > 46823&#323780
> >
> > http://www.the-gas-station.com/messages.cfm?Type=normal&thread_id=
> > 46823&#323534
> >
> >
> > Oh yeah, he doesn't care for Doepfer as well:
> >
> > The product lines matching most closely the alternative version of
> > "best"? The beastly Serge and
> > the vile Doepfer. Man, you can patch things out of those dreadful
> > toads that would give you bad
> > dreams for a week.
> >
> > Subject: Re: [AH] 2002 preview / MOTM
> > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:19:49 -0500
> >
> > (At least Doepfer offer a VC ADSR as well as
> > other envelopes that actually work per expected
> > envelope behaviour as exhibited over the last
> > 30 or so years...)
> >
> >
> > In my opinion, keep Doepfer exactly the way it is...
> > That's all I have to say on this; it speaks for
> > itself. Just please retain the voltage addressing
> > of stages on the touch keyboard/sequencer :-D
> >
> > Easier,
> >
> > -Mike
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Re: touch keys

2002-07-23 by its_peake

Or even some nifty, inexpensive, CV'd DOEPFER ENVELOPES! :-D

Easier,

-Mike

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
> Jesus, that Elhardt/Schreiber exchange is hilarious and just piquantly
> deranged and nasty.  Paul just goes off the deep end on the thing.  And
> all his talk about his perfect analog electronics ...  Indeed, what a
> perfectionist.  Elhardt needs a poorly-designed Moog envelope to kick
> the crap out of his MOTM.  Or maybe one of those zippy "overpriced"
> Technosauri.
> 
> 
> its_peake wrote:
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45" <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > i want to enlighten a few of you as to how a company should react and
> > > use its group members for input on its new and upcoming designs.
> > >
> > > THE GROUP IN QUESTION IS MOTM. please go to the group and read how
> > > the designers and customers work together in order to release a
> > > product. layout and design features are planned and discussed to
> > > avoid any screw ups or lack of features.
> > 
> > Are you referring to this discovery:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/message/15562
> > 
> > This conclusion:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/message/15617
> > 
> > And this response:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/message/15619
> > 
> > (Sorry, no  money-back guarantee like Synthesizers.com)
> > 
> > These classic responses to new feature requests:
> > 
> > > - VC ADSR,
> > 
> > ZZZzzzzzzzzz.........
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [AH] 2002 preview / MOTM
> > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:17:50 -0600
> > 
> > 24dB Highpass filters:
> > 
> > > > Later, this is probably the least useful of any filter.
> > >
> > > Strongly disagree. I consider my Doepfer -24 dB filter one of the
> > coolest sound-sculpting
> > tools
> > > I've ever used.
> > 
> > If you like frying bacon sounds :)
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [AH] 2002 preview / MOTM
> > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:46:37 -0600
> > 
> > Or the fact that the MO*M forum is censored?
> > 
> > http://www.the-gas-station.com/messages.cfm?Type=normal&thread_id=
> > 46823&#323780
> > 
> > http://www.the-gas-station.com/messages.cfm?Type=normal&thread_id=
> > 46823&#323534
> > 
> > Oh yeah, he doesn't care for Doepfer as well:
> > 
> > The product lines matching most closely the alternative version of
> > "best"? The beastly Serge and
> > the vile Doepfer. Man, you can patch things out of those dreadful
> > toads that would give you bad
> > dreams for a week.
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [AH] 2002 preview / MOTM
> > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:19:49 -0500
> > 
> > (At least Doepfer offer a VC ADSR as well as
> > other envelopes that actually work per expected
> > envelope behaviour as exhibited over the last
> > 30 or so years...)
> > 
> > In my opinion, keep Doepfer exactly the way it is...
> > That's all I have to say on this; it speaks for
> > itself. Just please retain the voltage addressing
> > of stages on the touch keyboard/sequencer :-D
> > 
> > Easier,
> > 
> > -Mike
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@y...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/
terms/

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: touch keys

2002-07-23 by unknown freak

Jesus, that Elhardt/Schreiber exchange is hilarious and just piquantly
deranged and nasty.  Paul just goes off the deep end on the thing.  And
all his talk about his perfect analog electronics ...  Indeed, what a
perfectionist.  Elhardt needs a poorly-designed Moog envelope to kick
the crap out of his MOTM.  Or maybe one of those zippy "overpriced"
Technosauri.


its_peake wrote:

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> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45" <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> <snip>
> > i want to enlighten a few of you as to how a company should react and
> > use its group members for input on its new and upcoming designs.
> >
> > THE GROUP IN QUESTION IS MOTM. please go to the group and read how
> > the designers and customers work together in order to release a
> > product. layout and design features are planned and discussed to
> > avoid any screw ups or lack of features.
> 
> Are you referring to this discovery:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/message/15562
> 
> This conclusion:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/message/15617
> 
> And this response:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motm/message/15619
> 
> (Sorry, no  money-back guarantee like Synthesizers.com)
> 
> These classic responses to new feature requests:
> 
> > - VC ADSR,
> 
> ZZZzzzzzzzzz.........
> 
> Subject: Re: [AH] 2002 preview / MOTM
> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:17:50 -0600
> 
> 24dB Highpass filters:
> 
> > > Later, this is probably the least useful of any filter.
> >
> > Strongly disagree. I consider my Doepfer -24 dB filter one of the
> coolest sound-sculpting
> tools
> > I've ever used.
> 
> If you like frying bacon sounds :)
> 
> Subject: Re: [AH] 2002 preview / MOTM
> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:46:37 -0600
> 
> Or the fact that the MO*M forum is censored?
> 
> http://www.the-gas-station.com/messages.cfm?Type=normal&thread_id=
> 46823&#323780
> 
> http://www.the-gas-station.com/messages.cfm?Type=normal&thread_id=
> 46823&#323534
> 
> Oh yeah, he doesn't care for Doepfer as well:
> 
> The product lines matching most closely the alternative version of
> "best"? The beastly Serge and
> the vile Doepfer. Man, you can patch things out of those dreadful
> toads that would give you bad
> dreams for a week.
> 
> Subject: Re: [AH] 2002 preview / MOTM
> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:19:49 -0500
> 
> (At least Doepfer offer a VC ADSR as well as
> other envelopes that actually work per expected
> envelope behaviour as exhibited over the last
> 30 or so years...)
> 
> In my opinion, keep Doepfer exactly the way it is...
> That's all I have to say on this; it speaks for
> itself. Just please retain the voltage addressing
> of stages on the touch keyboard/sequencer :-D
> 
> Easier,
> 
> -Mike
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/