Doepfer

> 
>> I still prefer the idea of the VC divider on the clock input side, 
and 

>you could place the A160/161 right beside the A154 to sastify 
function.

the only problem is, you would have to patch the clock division you 
wanted. A vc divider could be interesting. 

how about using the A163 as well?

also having divide down clocks from the out outputs could be useful,
i.e. 2 to, 1 to 1, 1 to 2, 1 to 4 etc.

regards,
RM

I guess I was just remarking to myself that a VCO could be used in 
the same way as the proposed A154 clock source. It hadn't occurred 
to me to patch an A110 to the A155 clock input to get PWM. I tried 
it this morning.

Nonetheless, the proposed A154 clock source has the same issues as you 
have when using the A147 (or VCO) to clock the A155 - no quantization 
and no midi sync.

I guess what I want in the A154, instead of a clock source, is a VC 
divider with PWM. Is that feasible?

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45" <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> >> I still prefer the idea of the VC divider on the clock input 
side, 

> and 
> 
> >you could place the A160/161 right beside the A154 to sastify 
> function.
> 
> the only problem is, you would have to patch the clock division you 
> wanted. A vc divider could be interesting. 
> 
> how about using the A163 as well?
> 
> also having divide down clocks from the out outputs could be useful,
> i.e. 2 to, 1 to 1, 1 to 2, 1 to 4 etc.
> 
> regards,
> RM

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Joe Buechler" <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> I guess I was just remarking to myself that a VCO could be used in 
> the same way as the proposed A154 clock source. It hadn't occurred 
> to me to patch an A110 to the A155 clock input to get PWM. I tried 
> it this morning.
> 
> Nonetheless, the proposed A154 clock source has the same issues as 
you 
> have when using the A147 (or VCO) to clock the A155 - no 
quantization 
> and no midi sync.

hi joe,

if you use the A190 clock out as the source for the A154 shouldn't 
this give midi sync.

here is one issue i would like to know further about. if you are 
using a midi sequencer as you master and you use the A190 to drive 
the A154 or A155, how would it start the A154 and or A155's? in sync?

the reason i ask is that i use a TR909 rimshot trigger out as a 
source to drive the A155. the plus side to this is you could the 
rimshot trigger out as a quantizer as well, program all 16 steps and 
drives the A155 in time, etc..it also starts and stops the A155 in 
sync.

will this be the same, if you use the A190 start and stop the A155?

> 
> I guess what I want in the A154, instead of a clock source, is a VC 
> divider with PWM. Is that feasible?
> 
> Joe

i hear you, that would be a nice feature to have. it would be nice to 
have Mr.Doepfer input and ideas this one, as well other members on 
the list.

RM

> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45" <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > >> I still prefer the idea of the VC divider on the clock input 
> side, 
> > and 
> > 
> > >you could place the A160/161 right beside the A154 to sastify 
> > function.
> > 
> > the only problem is, you would have to patch the clock division 
you 
> > wanted. A vc divider could be interesting. 
> > 
> > how about using the A163 as well?
> > 
> > also having divide down clocks from the out outputs could be 
useful,

> > i.e. 2 to, 1 to 1, 1 to 2, 1 to 4 etc.
> > 
> > regards,
> > RM

> if you use the A190 clock out as the source for the A154 shouldn't 
> this give midi sync.

My understanding of the proposed A154 is that the clock generator has 
two CV inputs, to control the clock rate and PW. I didn't see a clock 
input socket. So its the same as using an A147 as a clock generator 
for variable step length, or an A110 for PWM as well. Neither allow 
you to connect the A190 clock out as a source.
 
> here is one issue i would like to know further about. if you are 
> using a midi sequencer as you master and you use the A190 to drive 
> the A154 or A155, how would it start the A154 and or A155's? in 
sync?

According to the description on the Doepfer hidden page, the control 
sockets on the A155 will continue to work as usual. So, you patch the 
RESET output of the A190 to the RESET jack on the A155, as currently.


Joe

hi joe,
the a154 HAS midi sync!all you have to do is to
connect the a190 reset out to the reset in of the a154
and the a190 clock out to the a154 step in.
bakis.



--- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> I guess I was just remarking to myself that a VCO
> could be used in 
> the same way as the proposed A154 clock source. It
> hadn't occurred 
> to me to patch an A110 to the A155 clock input to
> get PWM. I tried 
> it this morning.
> 
> Nonetheless, the proposed A154 clock source has the
> same issues as you 
> have when using the A147 (or VCO) to clock the A155
> - no quantization 
> and no midi sync.
> 
> I guess what I want in the A154, instead of a clock
> source, is a VC 
> divider with PWM. Is that feasible?
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "ringmod45"
> <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > >> I still prefer the idea of the VC divider on
> the clock input 
> side, 
> > and 
> > 
> > >you could place the A160/161 right beside the
> A154 to sastify 
> > function.
> > 
> > the only problem is, you would have to patch the
> clock division you 
> > wanted. A vc divider could be interesting. 
> > 
> > how about using the A163 as well?
> > 
> > also having divide down clocks from the out
> outputs could be useful,
> > i.e. 2 to, 1 to 1, 1 to 2, 1 to 4 etc.
> > 
> > regards,
> > RM
> 
> 


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nope wrong,joe...
the control section of the a155 is disambled when you
use the a154 to control the a155.also,you HAVE a clock
input on the a154.just take a better look.
bakis.



--- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> > if you use the A190 clock out as the source for
> the A154 shouldn't 
> > this give midi sync.
> 
> My understanding of the proposed A154 is that the
> clock generator has 
> two CV inputs, to control the clock rate and PW. I
> didn't see a clock 
> input socket. So its the same as using an A147 as a
> clock generator 
> for variable step length, or an A110 for PWM as
> well. Neither allow 
> you to connect the A190 clock out as a source.
>  
> > here is one issue i would like to know further
> about. if you are 
> > using a midi sequencer as you master and you use
> the A190 to drive 
> > the A154 or A155, how would it start the A154 and
> or A155's? in 
> sync?
> 
> According to the description on the Doepfer hidden
> page, the control 
> sockets on the A155 will continue to work as usual.
> So, you patch the 
> RESET output of the A190 to the RESET jack on the
> A155, as currently.
> 
> 
> Joe
> 
> 


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Hmmm, right you are.

So if I understand you correctly, an A190 can be connected to both 
step in and reset. In that case, what effect does the clock out jack 
have? 

Do the two CV inputs and pots still work? That is, do I still have 
variable step length and variable pulse width when the A190 clock is 
patched to the Step In jack? That's what I want.

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:

> nope wrong,joe...
> the control section of the a155 is disambled when you
> use the a154 to control the a155.also,you HAVE a clock
> input on the a154.just take a better look.
> bakis.
> 
> 
> 
> --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > if you use the A190 clock out as the source for
> > the A154 shouldn't 
> > > this give midi sync.
> > 
> > My understanding of the proposed A154 is that the
> > clock generator has 
> > two CV inputs, to control the clock rate and PW. I
> > didn't see a clock 
> > input socket. So its the same as using an A147 as a
> > clock generator 
> > for variable step length, or an A110 for PWM as
> > well. Neither allow 
> > you to connect the A190 clock out as a source.
> >  
> > > here is one issue i would like to know further
> > about. if you are 
> > > using a midi sequencer as you master and you use
> > the A190 to drive 
> > > the A154 or A155, how would it start the A154 and
> > or A155's? in 
> > sync?
> > 
> > According to the description on the Doepfer hidden
> > page, the control 
> > sockets on the A155 will continue to work as usual.
> > So, you patch the 
> > RESET output of the A190 to the RESET jack on the
> > A155, as currently.
> > 
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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hi joe,
when you connect the a154 to the a190,all the
functions/controls of the a154 work(vc/manual running
mode selection,vc/manual step adressing),except the
on-board vc clock.the on-board vc clock still works
but as an individual clock source,that you can use to
clock anything else...........another sequencer,a s/h
module,etc.this is where you use the clock out
jack.the on-board vc clock is internally connected to
the step input of the control section of the a154,but
when you connect anything to the a154 step in,this
connection is broken.so,when you clock the a1564
control section from the midiclock via the a190,you
DON'T have pwm  nor vc speed of the clock.that would
be crazy,anyway,wouldn't it be?
AM I RIGHT ON ALL THESE,DIETER?
bakis.




--- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmm, right you are.
> 
> So if I understand you correctly, an A190 can be
> connected to both 
> step in and reset. In that case, what effect does
> the clock out jack 
> have? 
> 
> Do the two CV inputs and pots still work? That is,
> do I still have 
> variable step length and variable pulse width when
> the A190 clock is 
> patched to the Step In jack? That's what I want.
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > nope wrong,joe...
> > the control section of the a155 is disambled when
> you
> > use the a154 to control the a155.also,you HAVE a
> clock
> > input on the a154.just take a better look.
> > bakis.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > > if you use the A190 clock out as the source
> for
> > > the A154 shouldn't 
> > > > this give midi sync.
> > > 
> > > My understanding of the proposed A154 is that
> the
> > > clock generator has 
> > > two CV inputs, to control the clock rate and PW.
> I
> > > didn't see a clock 
> > > input socket. So its the same as using an A147
> as a
> > > clock generator 
> > > for variable step length, or an A110 for PWM as
> > > well. Neither allow 
> > > you to connect the A190 clock out as a source.
> > >  
> > > > here is one issue i would like to know further
> > > about. if you are 
> > > > using a midi sequencer as you master and you
> use
> > > the A190 to drive 
> > > > the A154 or A155, how would it start the A154
> and
> > > or A155's? in 
> > > sync?
> > > 
> > > According to the description on the Doepfer
> hidden
> > > page, the control 
> > > sockets on the A155 will continue to work as
> usual.
> > > So, you patch the 
> > > RESET output of the A190 to the RESET jack on
> the
> > > A155, as currently.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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