CV Bus question
2015-02-20 by Neil Kagan
Hello to you all (Dieter in particular!) Does anyone know if the upcoming A-110-4 will read from the CV bus? Also, I’m looking to get an A-112 and wanted to know if that can read from the bus as well. Neil
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CV Bus question
Re: CV Bus question
2015-02-22 by karelvanbezooijen@yahoo.com
When I look at the pcb they both are equipped with a 2 * 8 connector so reading from the bus is most likely but of course I may be wrong.
Karel.
Karel.
AW: [Doepfer_a100] CV Bus question
2015-02-23 by yahoo@doepfer.de
> Hello to you all (Dieter in particular!) > > Does anyone know if the upcoming A-110-4 will read from the CV bus? Also, I’m looking to get an A-112 and wanted to know > if that can read from the bus as well. > > Neil Sorry - neither A-112 nor A-110-4 read CV from the bus. But you can add this feature for all modules as a DIY project (for details please refer to the A-100 DIY page). Best wishes Dieter Doepfer
Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] CV Bus question
2015-02-23 by Neil Kagan
Any chance it could be added before the 110-4 is released? Sent from my iPhone
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On 23 Feb 2015, at 10:46, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> Hello to you all (Dieter in particular!) >> >> Does anyone know if the upcoming A-110-4 will read from the CV bus? Also, I’m looking to get an A-112 and wanted to know >> if that can read from the bus as well. >> >> Neil > > Sorry - neither A-112 nor A-110-4 read CV from the bus. But you can add this feature for all modules as a DIY project (for details > please refer to the A-100 DIY page). > > Best wishes > Dieter Doepfer > > > > ------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo Groups Links > > >
AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] CV Bus question
2015-02-24 by yahoo@doepfer.de
> Any chance it could be added before the 110-4 is released? I'll see if it's possible as the A-110-4 production should start end of February. Best wishes Dieter Doepfer
Re: AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] CV Bus question
2015-02-24 by Neil Kagan
That would be excellent Dieter, Danke schon :) Sent from my iPhone
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On 24 Feb 2015, at 09:48, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> Any chance it could be added before the 110-4 is released? > > I'll see if it's possible as the A-110-4 production should start end of February. > > Best wishes > Dieter Doepfer > > > > ------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo Groups Links > > >
Re: [Doepfer_a100] CV Bus question
2015-02-24 by james.husted@mac.com
I am amazed the CV and Gate busses have not been adopted by more Eurorack makers. Almost ALL of the CV and Gate producing modules that we make have jumpers inside to select its use or not. The ones that don’t are because of size constraints (the 16-pin header is hard to fit on a 4HP module). I personally have made the mods that Dieter mentioned wherever possible in my rig. In some cases with other companies modules, I had to replace a jack with a normalized one but in the case of Doepfer modules, all the jacks seem normalized. Dieter - one thing that can be annoying when making the mod on some of the older modules you make, on many modules the unused normalized pins on the jacks are connected to the regular pins and can be a problem to cut. If they happen to be under the jack it is even harder. I wish that when normalized jacks are used as input jacks (which I would love to see in all input uses) that makers would just make that PCB pad bigger or go to a blank square or something to make soldering to it easier. Back in the day I used to sell E-Mu modulars from a store in Seattle and one thing I remembered form them is that every input and output jack was normalized and the switching pin of the jack went to a molex pin on the PCB so yo could make custom normalization any way you wanted. This was a added expense that would be a burden to many makers, but a un-drilled pad on the PCB cost nothing and the DIY crowd would LOVE you for it. -James James Husted, Designer, Synthwerks LLC • www.synthwerks.com • james@synthwerks.com • info@synthwerks.com
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> On Feb 24, 2015, at 4:18 AM, Neil Kagan blinkenlicht@yahoo.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > That would be excellent Dieter, > > Danke schon :) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 24 Feb 2015, at 09:48, yahoo@doepfer.de <mailto:yahoo@doepfer.de> [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > >>> Any chance it could be added before the 110-4 is released? >> >> I'll see if it's possible as the A-110-4 production should start end of February. >> >> Best wishes >> Dieter Doepfer >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo Groups Links >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: Neil Kagan <blinkenlicht@yahoo.com <mailto:blinkenlicht@yahoo.com>> > ------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo Groups Links > > >
AW: [Doepfer_a100] CV Bus question
2015-02-25 by yahoo@doepfer.de
> I am amazed the CV and Gate busses have not been adopted by more Eurorack makers. Almost ALL of the CV and Gate producing > modules that we make have jumpers inside to select its use or not. The ones that don’t are because of size constraints > (the 16-pin header is hard to fit on a 4HP module). I personally have made the mods that Dieter mentioned wherever > possible in my rig. In some cases with other companies modules, I had to replace a jack with a normalized one but in the > case of Doepfer modules, all the jacks seem normalized. > > > Dieter - one thing that can be annoying when making the mod on some of the older modules you make, on many modules the > unused normalized pins on the jacks are connected to the regular pins and can be a problem to cut. If they happen to be > under the jack it is even harder. I wish that when normalized jacks are used as input jacks (which I would love to see in > all input uses) that makers would just make that PCB pad bigger or go to a blank square or something to make soldering to > it easier. Back in the day I used to sell E-Mu modulars from a store in Seattle and one thing I remembered form them is > that every input and output jack was normalized and the switching pin of the jack went to a molex pin on the PCB so yo > could make custom normalization any way you wanted. This was a added expense that would be a burden to many makers, but a > un-drilled pad on the PCB cost nothing and the DIY crowd would LOVE you for it. > -James That's valid only for older modules which were designed on the old ATARI system. For all new modules and whenever we redesign a module the two terminals are no longer connected and in some cases the switching contacts are even wired to a separate pin next to the socket in case that a customer wants to normalize the socket (e.g. A-138, A-132-2). Best wishes Dieter Doepfer
Re: [Doepfer_a100] CV Bus question
2015-02-25 by james.husted@mac.com
LOL - That shows you how old my Doepfer system is! I think almost all of my modules are Cliff jack older ones. Glad to hear it. I’s still amazed more other companies are not using the CV/GATE busses.
-James
James Husted, Designer, Synthwerks LLC • www.synthwerks.com • james@synthwerks.com • info@synthwerks.com
On Feb 25, 2015, at 3:30 AM, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:I am amazed the CV and Gate busses have not been adopted by more Eurorack makers. Almost ALL of the CV and Gate producing
modules that we make have jumpers inside to select its use or not. The ones that don’t are because of size constraints
(the 16-pin header is hard to fit on a 4HP module). I personally have made the mods that Dieter mentioned wherever
possible in my rig. In some cases with other companies modules, I had to replace a jack with a normalized one but in the
case of Doepfer modules, all the jacks seem normalized.
Dieter - one thing that can be annoying when making the mod on some of the older modules you make, on many modules the
unused normalized pins on the jacks are connected to the regular pins and can be a problem to cut. If they happen to be
under the jack it is even harder. I wish that when normalized jacks are used as input jacks (which I would love to see in
all input uses) that makers would just make that PCB pad bigger or go to a blank square or something to make soldering to
it easier. Back in the day I used to sell E-Mu modulars from a store in Seattle and one thing I remembered form them is
that every input and output jack was normalized and the switching pin of the jack went to a molex pin on the PCB so yo
could make custom normalization any way you wanted. This was a added expense that would be a burden to many makers, but a
un-drilled pad on the PCB cost nothing and the DIY crowd would LOVE you for it.
-James
That's valid only for older modules which were designed on the old ATARI system. For all new modules and whenever we redesign a
module the two terminals are no longer connected and in some cases the switching contacts are even wired to a separate pin next to
the socket in case that a customer wants to normalize the socket (e.g. A-138, A-132-2).
Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer
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AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] CV Bus question
2015-05-07 by yahoo@doepfer.de
Hello Neil, just wanted to mention that it was possible to add this feature (additional jumper for CV from bus). Currently the A-110-4 are in production and should be available end of May. Best wishes Dieter Doepfer
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> Any chance it could be added before the 110-4 is released? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 23 Feb 2015, at 10:46, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > >> Hello to you all (Dieter in particular!) > >> > >> Does anyone know if the upcoming A-110-4 will read from the CV bus? Also, I’m looking to get an A-112 and wanted to know > >> if that can read from the bus as well. > >> > >> Neil
Re: AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] CV Bus question
2015-05-07 by Neil Kagan
Dieter, you absolute genius!!! Thank you so much, that's one less patch cable! Neil Sent from my iPhone
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> On 7 May 2015, at 14:49, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Hello Neil, > > just wanted to mention that it was possible to add this feature (additional jumper for CV from bus). Currently the A-110-4 are in > production and should be available end of May. > > Best wishes > Dieter Doepfer > >> Any chance it could be added before the 110-4 is released? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 23 Feb 2015, at 10:46, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >>>> Hello to you all (Dieter in particular!) >>>> >>>> Does anyone know if the upcoming A-110-4 will read from the CV bus? Also, I’m looking to get an A-112 and wanted to know >>>> if that can read from the bus as well. >>>> >>>> Neil > > > > ------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo Groups Links > > >
Re: [Doepfer_a100] CV Bus question
2015-05-07 by james.husted@mac.com
Still to this day, I just don’t understand why more modules don’t connect to the CV and Gate bus. It doesn’t add that much to put a 16-pin header on the PCB (space is the only problem for some) and a header to enable the function. Almost every Synthwerks product we make that produces a CV or Gate connects to this bus. I have converted every other makers modules in my rig that don’t to use it. With a A-185 the system is perfect.
-James
James Husted, Designer, Synthwerks LLC • www.synthwerks.com • james@synthwerks.com • info@synthwerks.com
On May 7, 2015, at 6:49 AM, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>; wrote:Hello Neil,
just wanted to mention that it was possible to add this feature (additional jumper for CV from bus). Currently the A-110-4 are in
production and should be available end of May.
Best wishes
Dieter DoepferAny chance it could be added before the 110-4 is released?
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On 23 Feb 2015, at 10:46, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Hello to you all (Dieter in particular!)
Does anyone know if the upcoming A-110-4 will read from the CV bus? Also, I’m looking to get an A-112 and wanted to know
if that can read from the bus as well.
Neil
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] CV Bus question
2015-05-07 by christian ienni
just my irrelevant 2 cents, but yes, i absolutely agree, and have thought so since the first time years ago i got a third-party euro mod & was disappointed that it didn't do that. having cv & gate on the bus is one of those little touches, something so obvious most people probably wouldn't even think of it, that makes Eurorack such a great and flexible format. almost by accident Euro has become a de facto standard modular format, and a completely open one at that, so yeah, more mod makers should be taking every advantage of all the possibilities Dieter's system is capable of. if a mod of any kind responds to 1v/oct or gates it should have the option to use the bus or not (a couple jumpers to select, or like the 110s & 140s it uses the bus unless you plug a cable in the front jack). "But that's just, y'know, like, uh, my opinion, man..." ;-)
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Still to this day, I just don’t understand why more modules don’t connect to the CV and Gate bus. It doesn’t add that much to put a 16-pin header on the PCB (space is the only problem for some) and a header to enable the function. Almost every Synthwerks product we make that produces a CV or Gate connects to this bus. I have converted every other makers modules in my rig that don’t to use it. With a A-185 the system is perfect.-James
James Husted, Designer, Synthwerks LLC • www.synthwerks.com • james@synthwerks.com • info@synthwerks.com
On May 7, 2015, at 6:49 AM, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hello Neil,
just wanted to mention that it was possible to add this feature (additional jumper for CV from bus). Currently the A-110-4 are in
production and should be available end of May.
Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer
Any chance it could be added before the 110-4 is released?
Sent from my iPhone
On 23 Feb 2015, at 10:46, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hello to you all (Dieter in particular!)
Does anyone know if the upcoming A-110-4 will read from the CV bus? Also, I’m looking to get an A-112 and wanted to know
if that can read from the bus as well.
Neil
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2015-05-07 by christian ienni
and a quick footnote on this particular bit - often i see on mods they DO have the 16-pin headers, but they only use an 8 or 10-lead ribbon cable (whatever minimum was necessary for the mod to work), so a lot of the time it's not even a space issue, just a laziness or "it never occurred to me in the first place" issue. oh well... :-)
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It doesn’t add that much to put a 16-pin header on the PCB (space is the only problem for some) and a header to enable the function.
Re: [Doepfer_a100] CV Bus question
2015-05-08 by achtung_999
I totally disagree on the use of the busses. I never use them, I find the idea not fitting in a modular system.
My thought behind this:
It's a modular, every signal should be visible and easily re-patchable on the front.
/my 2 kroner
My thought behind this:
It's a modular, every signal should be visible and easily re-patchable on the front.
/my 2 kroner
On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:59 PM, christian ienni ienni23@yahoo.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
and a quick footnote on this particular bit - often i see on mods they DO have the 16-pin headers, but they only use an 8 or 10-lead ribbon cable (whatever minimum was necessary for the mod to work), so a lot of the time it's not even a space issue, just a laziness or "it never occurred to me in the first place" issue. oh well... :-)
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It doesn’t add that much to put a 16-pin header on the PCB (space is the only problem for some) and a header to enable the function.
Re: [Doepfer_a100] CV Bus question
2015-05-08 by james.husted@mac.com
The usage of the bus in no way stops from using the front panel jacks. The connections all go to the normalization on the input side and only one module can send to it so it doesn’t get in the way, it is just there if you want to use it. It is VERY useful in the standard voice configuration. Wi. th the A-185 you get the ability ot patch into and from the bus so it is even more flexible. The A-185 has the buffering needed and provides 2 spare buffered outputs for both the gate and CV. I guess it is all in your style of patching. To me it is just like normalizing but it is normalizing to more than one module. I just wish more modules were enabled for it’s use. I use it often but don’t expect everyone to use it and if the module is designed like all the ones that do use it, the module will have a header allowing you to not use it if you want to. To me this is the modular ethos. To mre this is ADDING a feature and flexibility that is the hallmark of the modular system. -James
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> On May 7, 2015, at 5:12 PM, achtung_999 heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > I totally disagree on the use of the busses. I never use them, I find the idea not fitting in a modular system. > My thought behind this: > It's a modular, every signal should be visible and easily re-patchable on the front. > > /my 2 kroner > > > On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:59 PM, christian ienni ienni23@yahoo.com <mailto:ienni23@yahoo.com> [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > > > and a quick footnote on this particular bit - often i see on mods they DO have the 16-pin headers, but they only use an 8 or 10-lead ribbon cable (whatever minimum was necessary for the mod to work), so a lot of the time it's not even a space issue, just a laziness or "it never occurred to me in the first place" issue. oh well... :-) > > From: "james.husted@mac.com <mailto:james.husted@mac.com> [Doepfer_a100]" <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] CV Bus question > > It doesn’t add that much to put a 16-pin header on the PCB (space is the only problem for some) and a header to enable the function. > > > > > >
Re: [Doepfer_a100] CV Bus question
2015-05-08 by Neil Kagan
I know James, it's crazy as its so useful! Neil Sent from my iPhone
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> On 7 May 2015, at 19:44, james.husted@mac.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Still to this day, I just don’t understand why more modules don’t connect to the CV and Gate bus. It doesn’t add that much to put a 16-pin header on the PCB (space is the only problem for some) and a header to enable the function. Almost every Synthwerks product we make that produces a CV or Gate connects to this bus. I have converted every other makers modules in my rig that don’t to use it. With a A-185 the system is perfect. > -James > > James Husted, Designer, Synthwerks LLC • www.synthwerks.com • james@synthwerks.com • info@synthwerks.com > >> On May 7, 2015, at 6:49 AM, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> Hello Neil, >> >> just wanted to mention that it was possible to add this feature (additional jumper for CV from bus). Currently the A-110-4 are in >> production and should be available end of May. >> >> Best wishes >> Dieter Doepfer >> >>> Any chance it could be added before the 110-4 is released? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 23 Feb 2015, at 10:46, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> Hello to you all (Dieter in particular!) >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know if the upcoming A-110-4 will read from the CV bus? Also, I’m looking to get an A-112 and wanted to know >>>>> if that can read from the bus as well. >>>>> >>>>> Neil >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo Groups Links >> >> >> >
Re: [Doepfer_a100] CV Bus question
2015-05-08 by achtung_999
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 7:09 AM, james.husted@mac.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
There you have it, not my patching style... That hits it on the head.
Normalisation is cool for patchbays just not in my modular :D
The usage of the bus in no way stops from using the front panel jacks. The connections all go to the normalization on the input side and only one module can send to it so it doesn’t get in the way, it is just there if you want to use it.
I do understand how it works, please, I just am saying it's not for me.
Hence the "/my 2 kroner" at the end of my post...
Hence the "/my 2 kroner" at the end of my post...
It is VERY useful in the standard voice configuration. Wi. th the A-185 you get the ability ot patch into and from the bus so it is even more flexible. The A-185 has the buffering needed and provides 2 spare buffered outputs for both the gate and CV. I guess it is all in your style of patching.
There you have it, not my patching style... That hits it on the head.
Normalisation is cool for patchbays just not in my modular :D