Doepfer

Hi Ethan

> The high pitched woodblock sounding voice
> 2x A110 -> A131 -> A120. 
> [...]
> The mid/frech-hornish voice is a single 
> A110 -> A131 -> A121 with

Why do you put the VCF after the VCA instead of the usual VCO>VCF>VCA?

Florian
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I often use this technique.  Think about additive synthesis with a 
VCF at the end... only you're not locked into using only sine waves.  
Kind of cool, actually.

Regards,
Kevin

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander 
<Florian.Anwander@c...> wrote:
> Hi Ethan
> 
> > The high pitched woodblock sounding voice
> > 2x A110 -> A131 -> A120. 
> > [...]
> > The mid/frech-hornish voice is a single 
> > A110 -> A131 -> A121 with
> 
> Why do you put the VCF after the VCA instead of the usual 
VCO>VCF>VCA?
> 
> Florian
> -- 
> Florian Anwander                  |ConSol*  HP-Support
> Tel.   +49.89.45841-133           |Consulting&Solutions Software 
GmbH
> Fax    +49.89.45841-139           |Franziskanerstr. 38, D-81669 
München
> email: florian.anwander@c... |http://www.consol.de

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander 
<Florian.Anwander@c...> wrote:
> 
> Why do you put the VCF after 
> the VCA instead of the usual 
> VCO>VCF>VCA?
> 

The usual according to whom? :^)
Modular synthesis is, in part, 
about experimentation, no?

Seriously, though I like the way
it sounds. I like using the filter 
to modify the timbre after the 
envelope is applied. This approach 
is critical if you set the Q high. If 
the filter is approaching oscillation 
you want that ringing sound to carry 
after the envelope. To do that, you have 
to place the VCF after the VCA. It 
doesn't make much sense in a dry patch, 
however, when using tons of reverb or 
delay, the difference can be experienced 
in ambient effects. 

Cheers!

Ethan
> email: florian.anwander@c... |http://www.consol.de

Indeed, the VCO>VCA>VCF chain works without any problems as long as you 
don´t crank up the resonance too much.
I was working for a long time with this chain when my system was very 
small and I didn´t have a mixer module. The 2VCOs were patched to 
AudioIn 1 & 2 of the VCA and then sent to the filter.

best,
P.


ethanzer0 wrote:

> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander
> <Florian.Anwander@c...> wrote:
> >
> > Why do you put the VCF after
> > the VCA instead of the usual
> > VCO>VCF>VCA?
> >
>
> The usual according to whom? :^)
> Modular synthesis is, in part,
> about experimentation, no?
>
> Seriously, though I like the way
> it sounds. I like using the filter
> to modify the timbre after the
> envelope is applied. This approach
> is critical if you set the Q high. If
> the filter is approaching oscillation
> you want that ringing sound to carry
> after the envelope. To do that, you have
> to place the VCF after the VCA. It
> doesn't make much sense in a dry patch,
> however, when using tons of reverb or
> delay, the difference can be experienced
> in ambient effects.
>

Hi,

I got a trautonium a few days ago and I´m very happy with it. I 
have yust two problems with it and I hope someone can help 
me.
1) When I release the finger from the ribbon controller, there is a 
click which is very annoying. You can hear it in the first and the 
last audio sample on the doepfer homepage at the description 
of the ribbon controller (free scales +  scales gliss) but not in the 
second one (salas theme). I connected the cv of the A-198 with 
the VCO (110) and the gate of the A-198 with the ADSR which I 
connected with the VCA (A-131). Increasing the release time of 
the ADSR would possibly help, but it´s not possible because the 
VCO would not remain at the last played pitch.
So, what shall I do to get rid of this click???
2) Any pressure on the ribbon controller lowers the pitch of the 
VCO a little bit. To avoid this I should make a short glissando, 
which is very uncomfortable. Is there something wrong with my 
controller??
Please help me!!! I´m very desperate about this because it 
blocks my music.
THX!!!
Danko

Hi Danko

> So, what shall I do to get rid of this click???
The solution _is_ the release/attack. To avoid that the VCO "falls down"
after releasing the ribbon, you might try to feed the CV-Out of the ribbon
through a Sample and Hold, that is triggered by a pulse which is created
from the the inverted Gate.


A198 CV-------------------> A-148 -------> VCO
                             ^
A198 Gate -> A-165 -> A-162 -/

The A-165 inverts
The A-162 has to be set to minimal values and creates the trigger


> 2) Any pressure on the ribbon controller lowers the pitch of the
> VCO a little bit. To avoid this I should make a short glissando,
> which is very uncomfortable. Is there something wrong with my
> controller??
I think it is a mechanical cause. I think this is as uncomfortable, as it
is uncomfortable playing a violine. ;-) This is no longer an electronic
keyboard, it is a mechanical musical instrument.

Florian

Hi Florian,

thank you for your quick response!! I don´t have the needed 
modules yet, but I´ll order them today... 
Thanks a lot!

Danko

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander 
<Florian.Anwander@c...> wrote:
> Hi Danko
> 
> > So, what shall I do to get rid of this click???
> The solution _is_ the release/attack. To avoid that the VCO 
"falls down"
> after releasing the ribbon, you might try to feed the CV-Out of 
the ribbon
> through a Sample and Hold, that is triggered by a pulse which 
is created
> from the the inverted Gate.
> 
> 
> A198 CV-------------------> A-148 -------> VCO
>                              ^
> A198 Gate -> A-165 -> A-162 -/
> 
> The A-165 inverts
> The A-162 has to be set to minimal values and creates the 
trigger
> 
> 
> > 2) Any pressure on the ribbon controller lowers the pitch of 
the
> > VCO a little bit. To avoid this I should make a short 
glissando,
> > which is very uncomfortable. Is there something wrong with 
my
> > controller??
> I think it is a mechanical cause. I think this is as 
uncomfortable, as it
> is uncomfortable playing a violine. ;-) This is no longer an 
electronic

> keyboard, it is a mechanical musical instrument.
> 
> Florian

Hi Danko/Florian,

> > So, what shall I do to get rid of this click???
> The solution _is_ the release/attack. To avoid that the VCO "falls 
down"
> after releasing the ribbon, you might try to feed the CV-Out of the 
ribbon
> through a Sample and Hold, that is triggered by a pulse which is 
created
> from the the inverted Gate.
> 
> 
> A198 CV-------------------> A-148 -------> VCO
>                              ^
> A198 Gate -> A-165 -> A-162 -/
> 
> The A-165 inverts
> The A-162 has to be set to minimal values and creates the trigger

I was going to suggest pretty much the same thing, but I have doubts 
as to how effective this would be. The basic problem is that you need 
to gate the EG driving the VCA with a shorter gate than 
the 'Gate_pos' from the 198. Nothing external to the 198 is going to 
know before hand that the Gate_pos is about to end, so as I see it 
there are two options: use the 'Gate_pres' from the 198, as I suspect 
this gate is likely to be shorter than Gate_pos - have you tried 
this? (or indeed a gate generated in some other way from 
the 'CV_pres': I don't think a 119 will respond fast enough, but a 
150 could possibly be rigged to do it); or, try and hold the 'CV_pos' 
for long enough so that the VCA drops off before the pitch does, 
which is what the patch above is attempting to do. My concerns with 
it are that for it to work, the inverted gate has got to be sensed by 
the 148 _before_ the CV_pos has dropped to zero: there are 
undoubtedly various 'lags' in the chain of modules in the patch, and 
so I would say it is in the lap of the gods as to whether it will 
work or not (trying it is surely the only way to find out!). (Also I 
think the 162 may not be needed (not totally sure?)- without it (if 
it works!) the 148 will hold the same CV until the next time the 198 
is touched, and as long as there is _some_ attack on the EG 
controlling the VCA, hopefully the 148 will have let go of the old 
note and be 'following' again before you hear anything...).

Another possibility may be to introduce a small lag into the CV_pos 
using, say, one of the slew limiters, but I fear that to be effective 
this might have to be so much that it interferes with the 
whole 'playing' process (i.e. what you hear would be too far behind 
when you touched the ribbon to be workable).

(I don't have a 198, so this is just my understanding gleaned from 
the manual!)

> > 2) Any pressure on the ribbon controller lowers the pitch of the
> > VCO a little bit. To avoid this I should make a short glissando,
> > which is very uncomfortable. Is there something wrong with my
> > controller??
> I think it is a mechanical cause. I think this is as uncomfortable, 
as it
> is uncomfortable playing a violine. ;-) This is no longer an 
electronic
> keyboard, it is a mechanical musical instrument.

I agree: the position is sensed via resistance, and small changes in 
pressure on the ribbon are likely to increase/decrease the 
resistance, and hence the CV_pos signal - such a feature is just the 
nature of the beast!

Good luck,
Tim

> think the 162 may not be needed (not totally sure?)

Ooops! Had more of think about this, and realised I was confusing the 
148 with the freeze/follow of the 129/5...

- without it (if 
> it works!) the 148 will hold the same CV until the next time the 
198 
> is touched, and as long as there is _some_ attack on the EG 
> controlling the VCA, hopefully the 148 will have let go of the old 
> note and be 'following' again before you hear anything...).

... but since the 148 just samples when triggered, and then holds, 
the patch needs modifying so that the held 148 signal is replaced 
with the new, varying CV_pos from the 198 next time it is 
touched/gated... (someone help me out here, feels like I'm digging 
myself into a hole...!)

Tim

> Ooops! Had more of think about this, and realised I was confusing 
the 
> 148 with the freeze/follow of the 129/5...

No, no, no, bad boy! 129/_3_ of course... (oh dear, one of those 
days). So maybe there is a solution with a 129/4 and 129/3? I'll 
experiment and see how 'laggy' the signal is out of the 129/3.

Tim

Hi Danko/Florian/anybody else still listening...

> > Ooops! Had more of think about this, and realised I was confusing 
> the 
> > 148 with the freeze/follow of the 129/5...
> 
> No, no, no, bad boy! 129/_3_ of course... (oh dear, one of those 
> days). So maybe there is a solution with a 129/4 and 129/3? I'll 
> experiment and see how 'laggy' the signal is out of the 129/3.

Sorry, but this is turning into a bit of a monologue..., but here are 
some more ramblings and 'results' of my experimentation:

Using an A-179 light controlled voltage source in lieu of the 198, 
since this also gives a variable CV and gate signal. I took the CV 
through a 138 and added a constant voltage of a few volts, so that 
when 'gated' the CV varied about some greater-than-zero point. This 
then went through an A-150 which was controlled by the gate, so that 
the 150 output was then a CV which dropped immediately to zero when 
the gate was closed. I don't have a 165 trigger inverter, so I 
subtracted 5V from the gate (129/3 -> 175 -> 138) and inverted that 
through the second half of the 175. I checked that the rising edge on 
this _was_ sufficient to trigger the 148 S&H. So, output of first 150 
goes to input of second half of 150 and input of S&H (triggered by 
inverted gate), then to second input of 150: second VC switch also 
controlled by the original gate signal. Then from second 150 to A-110 
whose output went through VCA (131) controlled by 140 (also gated by 
original gate). Much to my astonishment the S&H *is* able to capture 
the voltage coming out of the first half of the 150 *before* it has 
fallen down to zero: hence I could dial in some release on the 140 to 
lose the 'tock' made as the VCA shuts off violently without it, and 
you don't hear the pitch dropping all the way to zero.

This is so far removed from a 198 being fed into a 148 (gated by a 
165 inverted gate) and thence into a 150 before onto the 110 that I 
still wouldn't bet on *that* combination working in the same way!

I also tried replacing the 148 and second 150 switch by just using 
the 129/3. It's quite clear that the 129/3 does add a little slew 
onto the CV (even when set to 'follow': it is basically a low pass 
filter), but it does nicely capture the CV before it drops to zero 
again if 'frozen' by the gate (into the freeze input of a 129/4, 
feeding the slew in on the 129/3). (It was also possible to take the 
129/4 out of the equation completely by feeding the offset gate 
signal direct into the 129/3 slew input to freeze it that way.) 
However when it comes out of 'freeze', because of the inherent slew 
action in the 129/3, it was sometimes possible to hear the signal 
slewing in order to catch up to where it now was.

My conclusion is: I can't really recommend a way to do it, but I 
think it probably is possible given enough modules (and patience, and 
experimentation)! (It certainly gets you thinking, even if I wasn't 
initially.)

Cheers,

Tim

Tim,

Go get yourself a pint.

Kevin



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Stinchcombe" <timothy@t...> 
wrote:
> Hi Danko/Florian/anybody else still listening...
> 
> > > Ooops! Had more of think about this, and realised I was 
confusing 
> > the 
> > > 148 with the freeze/follow of the 129/5...
> > 
> > No, no, no, bad boy! 129/_3_ of course... (oh dear, one of those 
> > days). So maybe there is a solution with a 129/4 and 129/3? I'll 
> > experiment and see how 'laggy' the signal is out of the 129/3.
> 
> Sorry, but this is turning into a bit of a monologue..., but here 
are 
> some more ramblings and 'results' of my experimentation:
> 
> Using an A-179 light controlled voltage source in lieu of the 198, 
> since this also gives a variable CV and gate signal. I took the CV 
> through a 138 and added a constant voltage of a few volts, so that 
> when 'gated' the CV varied about some greater-than-zero point. This 
> then went through an A-150 which was controlled by the gate, so 
that 
> the 150 output was then a CV which dropped immediately to zero when 
> the gate was closed. I don't have a 165 trigger inverter, so I 
> subtracted 5V from the gate (129/3 -> 175 -> 138) and inverted that 
> through the second half of the 175. I checked that the rising edge 
on 
> this _was_ sufficient to trigger the 148 S&H. So, output of first 
150 
> goes to input of second half of 150 and input of S&H (triggered by 
> inverted gate), then to second input of 150: second VC switch also 
> controlled by the original gate signal. Then from second 150 to A-
110 
> whose output went through VCA (131) controlled by 140 (also gated 
by 
> original gate). Much to my astonishment the S&H *is* able to 
capture 
> the voltage coming out of the first half of the 150 *before* it has 
> fallen down to zero: hence I could dial in some release on the 140 
to 
> lose the 'tock' made as the VCA shuts off violently without it, and 
> you don't hear the pitch dropping all the way to zero.
> 
> This is so far removed from a 198 being fed into a 148 (gated by a 
> 165 inverted gate) and thence into a 150 before onto the 110 that I 
> still wouldn't bet on *that* combination working in the same way!
> 
> I also tried replacing the 148 and second 150 switch by just using 
> the 129/3. It's quite clear that the 129/3 does add a little slew 
> onto the CV (even when set to 'follow': it is basically a low pass 
> filter), but it does nicely capture the CV before it drops to zero 
> again if 'frozen' by the gate (into the freeze input of a 129/4, 
> feeding the slew in on the 129/3). (It was also possible to take 
the 
> 129/4 out of the equation completely by feeding the offset gate 
> signal direct into the 129/3 slew input to freeze it that way.) 
> However when it comes out of 'freeze', because of the inherent slew 
> action in the 129/3, it was sometimes possible to hear the signal 
> slewing in order to catch up to where it now was.
> 
> My conclusion is: I can't really recommend a way to do it, but I 
> think it probably is possible given enough modules (and patience, 
and 

> experimentation)! (It certainly gets you thinking, even if I wasn't 
> initially.)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tim

Hi all

I was at the Frankfurter Messe this week, which was again a great show with
quite some interesting and new stuff
of course there was the Super Booth with a lot of analog gear, including EMC
(Moog), Technosaurus and the Doepfer A100

there was also a delegate and a huge impressive modular system, including
the EMS filter and trapezoid generator from Analog Systems from the UK and
Ken McBeth from McBeth systems (M3X) but it was presented in the Touched by
Sound (germany) booth. I was also able to play a little with the Arturia
Sofware Modular Moog, which sounded more impressing and authentic than I
expected

Back to the A100: Dieter Doepfer showed me some of the new modules and
products, including the new multi-mode filter based on a CEM chip with all
kind of usual filter models, but also really exotic filter models, and the
ability to morph between the models, great !

Also the Sequencer Controller A154 was there and of course I asked how long
it would take to have it finished
but it seems Doepfer is waiting for the results of the discussion on this
list.
I thought that all the discussions about features on the A154 were already
closed, but now I noticed there is still a poll pending

Maybe I am a little impatient, but can anyone tell about the current status
and what we are waiting for to give Doepfer the final 'Go' for this great
sequencer enhancement ?

By the way: I filmed some minutes of Dieter Doepfer patching and fiddling
his blue-led demo A100 system creating a weird vocoder patch, if you are
interested I could make an MPEG of this movie (hope I am able to make it an
acceptable size...) and post it to the A100 group, please let me know if you
think this is might be of interest to this group

Regards

Eric

hello,
as fas as i know, doepfer wants to make another a154
poll with some additional possible features(probably
in the doepfer website...)...when this is done he will
release the final product.
also,if you want you can post the movie in the files
section(if it fits,that is....)
bakis.


--- Quantum Productions <quantumproductions@planet.nl>
wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I was at the Frankfurter Messe this week, which was
> again a great show with
> quite some interesting and new stuff
> of course there was the Super Booth with a lot of
> analog gear, including EMC
> (Moog), Technosaurus and the Doepfer A100
> 
> there was also a delegate and a huge impressive
> modular system, including
> the EMS filter and trapezoid generator from Analog
> Systems from the UK and
> Ken McBeth from McBeth systems (M3X) but it was
> presented in the Touched by
> Sound (germany) booth. I was also able to play a
> little with the Arturia
> Sofware Modular Moog, which sounded more impressing
> and authentic than I
> expected
> 
> Back to the A100: Dieter Doepfer showed me some of
> the new modules and
> products, including the new multi-mode filter based
> on a CEM chip with all
> kind of usual filter models, but also really exotic
> filter models, and the
> ability to morph between the models, great !
> 
> Also the Sequencer Controller A154 was there and of
> course I asked how long
> it would take to have it finished
> but it seems Doepfer is waiting for the results of
> the discussion on this
> list.
> I thought that all the discussions about features on
> the A154 were already
> closed, but now I noticed there is still a poll
> pending
> 
> Maybe I am a little impatient, but can anyone tell
> about the current status
> and what we are waiting for to give Doepfer the
> final 'Go' for this great
> sequencer enhancement ?
> 
> By the way: I filmed some minutes of Dieter Doepfer
> patching and fiddling
> his blue-led demo A100 system creating a weird
> vocoder patch, if you are
> interested I could make an MPEG of this movie (hope
> I am able to make it an
> acceptable size...) and post it to the A100 group,
> please let me know if you
> think this is might be of interest to this group
> 
> Regards
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
> 


=====
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Hi Tim 

> you need
> to gate the EG driving the VCA with a shorter gate than
> the 'Gate_pos' from the 198. 
Why? 

Florian

Hi Florian,

> > you need
> > to gate the EG driving the VCA with a shorter gate than
> > the 'Gate_pos' from the 198. 
> Why? 

According to the 198 manual entry (page 3), with 'hold' set to off, 
as soon as you release pressure on the ribbon, 'CV_pos' will drop to 
zero, and 'Gate_pos' goes low too. If you are gating the EG with 
this, you'll hear the drop in pitch unless you set the release to 
zero (assuming _some_ sustain is dialled in), but in this case you 
then get the annoying 'tock' as the VCA closes off abruptly. 
Therefore to rid the 'tock' you need some release, so in order not to 
hear the drop in pitch, you need the gate driving the EG to close 
slightly ahead of the gate driving the VCO. (Well at least that's my 
current understanding - I'm in Bristol for a meeting tomorrow, so I 
may just swing by EMIS, the UK distributor, and buy a 198, then I can 
experiment properly...)

Cheers,
Tim

P.S. And if that fails, I may just have a beer or two as Kevin 
suggested - smart idea!

hey 
im interested in the mpeg movie...
stefan
am 09.03.2003 21:14 Uhr schrieb Quantum Productions unter
quantumproductions@planet.nl:

Hi all

I was at the Frankfurter Messe this week, which was again a great show with
quite some interesting and new stuff
of course there was the Super Booth with a lot of analog gear, including EMC
(Moog), Technosaurus and the Doepfer A100

there was also a delegate and a huge impressive modular system, including
the EMS filter and trapezoid generator from Analog Systems from the UK and
Ken McBeth from McBeth systems (M3X) but it was presented in the Touched by
Sound (germany) booth. I was also able to play a little with the Arturia
Sofware Modular Moog, which sounded more impressing and authentic than I
expected

Back to the A100: Dieter Doepfer showed me some of the new modules and
products, including the new multi-mode filter based on a CEM chip with all
kind of usual filter models, but also really exotic filter models, and the
ability to morph between the models, great !

Also the Sequencer Controller A154 was there and of course I asked how long
it would take to have it finished
but it seems Doepfer is waiting for the results of the discussion on this
list.
I thought that all the discussions about features on the A154 were already
closed, but now I noticed there is still a poll pending

Maybe I am a little impatient, but can anyone tell about the current status
and what we are waiting for to give Doepfer the final 'Go' for this great
sequencer enhancement ?

By the way: I filmed some minutes of Dieter Doepfer patching and fiddling
his blue-led demo A100 system creating a weird vocoder patch, if you are
interested I could make an MPEG of this movie (hope I am able to make it an
acceptable size...) and post it to the A100 group, please let me know if you
think this is might be of interest to this group

Regards

Eric



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> > > So, what shall I do to get rid of this click???
> > The solution _is_ the release/attack. To avoid that the 
VCO "falls 
> down"
> > after releasing the ribbon, you might try to feed the CV-Out of 
the 
> ribbon
> > through a Sample and Hold, that is triggered by a pulse which is 
> created
> > from the the inverted Gate.
> > 
> > 
> > A198 CV-------------------> A-148 -------> VCO
> >                              ^
> > A198 Gate -> A-165 -> A-162 -/
> > 
> > The A-165 inverts
> > The A-162 has to be set to minimal values and creates the trigger
> 
> I was going to suggest pretty much the same thing, but I have 
doubts 
> as to how effective this would be. The basic problem is that you 

... and I can now report that this method definitely doesn't work! 
The 'gate_pos' signal is basically based on whether the 'CV_pos' 
signal is greater than zero or not - thus the gate stays open for 
quite a while after pressure is released from the ribbon, whilst the 
voltage falls back to zero. Any attempt to invert the gate and sample 
the CV is futile because the CV is by now back to zero anyhow! 
Viewing the CV and gate signals on a scope and this is quite clear, 
even though it happens in just handfuls of milliseconds.

And I found trying to use the 'gate_pres' was too clumsy - I need to 
press pretty hard to get that to gate at all.

The ribbon controller's great, for like, 'air-guitar' - I'm sure my 
yound nephew is going to love it when he visits in a few weeks!

Tim

Hi all

I am about to upload the movie that I made of the Doepfer booth and Dieter
Doepfer fiddling around with his demo A100, but now I see that the movie
becomes quite large.
What is the maximum (acceptable) size for a file to upload to the A100
groups page ?
I have the option of rendering the movie into an wmv, avi or mpg file. But
until now the size turned out to be varying between 3,2 and 14,0 MB ....
Any preferences or suggestions are welcome. I will then let the list know
when the file is uploaded

Regards

Eric

----- Original Message -----

From: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Frankfurter Messe


> hello,
> as fas as i know, doepfer wants to make another a154
> poll with some additional possible features(probably
> in the doepfer website...)...when this is done he will
> release the final product.
> also,if you want you can post the movie in the files
> section(if it fits,that is....)
> bakis.
>
>
> --- Quantum Productions <quantumproductions@planet.nl>
> wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > I was at the Frankfurter Messe this week, which was
> > again a great show with
> > quite some interesting and new stuff
> > of course there was the Super Booth with a lot of
> > analog gear, including EMC
> > (Moog), Technosaurus and the Doepfer A100
> >
> > there was also a delegate and a huge impressive
> > modular system, including
> > the EMS filter and trapezoid generator from Analog
> > Systems from the UK and
> > Ken McBeth from McBeth systems (M3X) but it was
> > presented in the Touched by
> > Sound (germany) booth. I was also able to play a
> > little with the Arturia
> > Sofware Modular Moog, which sounded more impressing
> > and authentic than I
> > expected
> >
> > Back to the A100: Dieter Doepfer showed me some of
> > the new modules and
> > products, including the new multi-mode filter based
> > on a CEM chip with all
> > kind of usual filter models, but also really exotic
> > filter models, and the
> > ability to morph between the models, great !
> >
> > Also the Sequencer Controller A154 was there and of
> > course I asked how long
> > it would take to have it finished
> > but it seems Doepfer is waiting for the results of
> > the discussion on this
> > list.
> > I thought that all the discussions about features on
> > the A154 were already
> > closed, but now I noticed there is still a poll
> > pending
> >
> > Maybe I am a little impatient, but can anyone tell
> > about the current status
> > and what we are waiting for to give Doepfer the
> > final 'Go' for this great
> > sequencer enhancement ?
> >
> > By the way: I filmed some minutes of Dieter Doepfer
> > patching and fiddling
> > his blue-led demo A100 system creating a weird
> > vocoder patch, if you are
> > interested I could make an MPEG of this movie (hope
> > I am able to make it an
> > acceptable size...) and post it to the A100 group,
> > please let me know if you
> > think this is might be of interest to this group
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Bakis,

I took down the stuf I had in the photo and files sections.  There is 
almost 12 meg up there now.

I can put it in the other group's space (there is almost 30 meg 
there), and supply a link to this group if that is easier.

Regards,
Kevin


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:

> hi eric,
> i don't know what is the maximum,but i see that we
> have about 10 MB's of free space in the files section
> of the group...
> bakis.
> 
> 
> --- Quantum Productions <quantumproductions@p...>
> wrote:
> > Hi all
> > 
> > I am about to upload the movie that I made of the
> > Doepfer booth and Dieter
> > Doepfer fiddling around with his demo A100, but now
> > I see that the movie
> > becomes quite large.
> > What is the maximum (acceptable) size for a file to
> > upload to the A100
> > groups page ?
> > I have the option of rendering the movie into an
> > wmv, avi or mpg file. But
> > until now the size turned out to be varying between
> > 3,2 and 14,0 MB ....
> > Any preferences or suggestions are welcome. I will
> > then let the list know
> > when the file is uploaded
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Eric
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Frankfurter Messe
> > 
> > 
> > > hello,
> > > as fas as i know, doepfer wants to make another
> > a154
> > > poll with some additional possible
> > features(probably
> > > in the doepfer website...)...when this is done he
> > will
> > > release the final product.
> > > also,if you want you can post the movie in the
> > files
> > > section(if it fits,that is....)
> > > bakis.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Quantum Productions
> > <quantumproductions@p...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi all
> > > >
> > > > I was at the Frankfurter Messe this week, which
> > was
> > > > again a great show with
> > > > quite some interesting and new stuff
> > > > of course there was the Super Booth with a lot
> > of
> > > > analog gear, including EMC
> > > > (Moog), Technosaurus and the Doepfer A100
> > > >
> > > > there was also a delegate and a huge impressive
> > > > modular system, including
> > > > the EMS filter and trapezoid generator from
> > Analog
> > > > Systems from the UK and
> > > > Ken McBeth from McBeth systems (M3X) but it was
> > > > presented in the Touched by
> > > > Sound (germany) booth. I was also able to play a
> > > > little with the Arturia
> > > > Sofware Modular Moog, which sounded more
> > impressing
> > > > and authentic than I
> > > > expected
> > > >
> > > > Back to the A100: Dieter Doepfer showed me some
> > of
> > > > the new modules and
> > > > products, including the new multi-mode filter
> > based
> > > > on a CEM chip with all
> > > > kind of usual filter models, but also really
> > exotic
> > > > filter models, and the
> > > > ability to morph between the models, great !
> > > >
> > > > Also the Sequencer Controller A154 was there and
> > of
> > > > course I asked how long
> > > > it would take to have it finished
> > > > but it seems Doepfer is waiting for the results
> > of
> > > > the discussion on this
> > > > list.
> > > > I thought that all the discussions about
> > features on
> > > > the A154 were already
> > > > closed, but now I noticed there is still a poll
> > > > pending
> > > >
> > > > Maybe I am a little impatient, but can anyone
> > tell
> > > > about the current status
> > > > and what we are waiting for to give Doepfer the
> > > > final 'Go' for this great
> > > > sequencer enhancement ?
> > > >
> > > > By the way: I filmed some minutes of Dieter
> > Doepfer
> > > > patching and fiddling
> > > > his blue-led demo A100 system creating a weird
> > > > vocoder patch, if you are
> > > > interested I could make an MPEG of this movie
> > (hope
> > > > I am able to make it an
> > > > acceptable size...) and post it to the A100
> > group,
> > > > please let me know if you
> > > > think this is might be of interest to this group
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Eric
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > > athens-greece
> > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> > >
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> > 
> > 
> 
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hi eric,
i don't know what is the maximum,but i see that we
have about 10 MB's of free space in the files section
of the group...
bakis.


--- Quantum Productions <quantumproductions@planet.nl>
wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I am about to upload the movie that I made of the
> Doepfer booth and Dieter
> Doepfer fiddling around with his demo A100, but now
> I see that the movie
> becomes quite large.
> What is the maximum (acceptable) size for a file to
> upload to the A100
> groups page ?
> I have the option of rendering the movie into an
> wmv, avi or mpg file. But
> until now the size turned out to be varying between
> 3,2 and 14,0 MB ....
> Any preferences or suggestions are welcome. I will
> then let the list know
> when the file is uploaded
> 
> Regards
> 
> Eric
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Frankfurter Messe
> 
> 
> > hello,
> > as fas as i know, doepfer wants to make another
> a154
> > poll with some additional possible
> features(probably
> > in the doepfer website...)...when this is done he
> will
> > release the final product.
> > also,if you want you can post the movie in the
> files
> > section(if it fits,that is....)
> > bakis.
> >
> >
> > --- Quantum Productions
> <quantumproductions@planet.nl>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > I was at the Frankfurter Messe this week, which
> was
> > > again a great show with
> > > quite some interesting and new stuff
> > > of course there was the Super Booth with a lot
> of
> > > analog gear, including EMC
> > > (Moog), Technosaurus and the Doepfer A100
> > >
> > > there was also a delegate and a huge impressive
> > > modular system, including
> > > the EMS filter and trapezoid generator from
> Analog
> > > Systems from the UK and
> > > Ken McBeth from McBeth systems (M3X) but it was
> > > presented in the Touched by
> > > Sound (germany) booth. I was also able to play a
> > > little with the Arturia
> > > Sofware Modular Moog, which sounded more
> impressing
> > > and authentic than I
> > > expected
> > >
> > > Back to the A100: Dieter Doepfer showed me some
> of
> > > the new modules and
> > > products, including the new multi-mode filter
> based
> > > on a CEM chip with all
> > > kind of usual filter models, but also really
> exotic
> > > filter models, and the
> > > ability to morph between the models, great !
> > >
> > > Also the Sequencer Controller A154 was there and
> of
> > > course I asked how long
> > > it would take to have it finished
> > > but it seems Doepfer is waiting for the results
> of
> > > the discussion on this
> > > list.
> > > I thought that all the discussions about
> features on
> > > the A154 were already
> > > closed, but now I noticed there is still a poll
> > > pending
> > >
> > > Maybe I am a little impatient, but can anyone
> tell
> > > about the current status
> > > and what we are waiting for to give Doepfer the
> > > final 'Go' for this great
> > > sequencer enhancement ?
> > >
> > > By the way: I filmed some minutes of Dieter
> Doepfer
> > > patching and fiddling
> > > his blue-led demo A100 system creating a weird
> > > vocoder patch, if you are
> > > interested I could make an MPEG of this movie
> (hope
> > > I am able to make it an
> > > acceptable size...) and post it to the A100
> group,
> > > please let me know if you
> > > think this is might be of interest to this group
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > athens-greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
> > http://taxes.yahoo.com/
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 


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Hi Bakis 

> i don't know what is the maximum,but i see that we
> have about 10 MB's of free space in the files section
> of the group...
If there is some space problem: I have a lot of Webspace on my pages (it is
a machine at our company - if I need more space I'll plug in a new disk). I
could place stuff there, that is no longer needed on the yahoo site.

Florian

Hi all

I have just oploaded a movie piece of Doepfer at the Frankfurter Messe, to
the files section at the Yahoo A100 page. Unfortunately I could not upload a
larger file (it is limited to 5 MB) and I had to do some concessions to the
movie quality

If anyone is interested in the movie that lasts little longer and is of
higher quality, please let me know

About what you see and hear: Dieter Doepfer is fiddling with his A100, he is
creating a vocoder patch with the sampler/wavetable and the vocoder system
(and many more A100 modules).
You hear the vocoder patch burping with regular intervals. The sequence that
you hear on the background comes from the Technosaurus system that was in
the opposite of Doepfer and the noises come from a diversity of analog
systems and machines from other parts of the Super Booth. Unfortunately the
rest of the demonstrations in the Super Booth were making such a noise that
sometimes the Doepfer System was pushed to the background.

Have fun with it,

Eric

ok,thanks florian!
when we have a space problem i'll let you know!(i
assume that ,then, i'll only have to supply the link
to your pages in the links section of the a100
group,right?
also kevin suggested something for shaving space in
the a100 group,but i haven't understanded really....
bakis.


--- Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
wrote:
> Hi Bakis 
> 
> > i don't know what is the maximum,but i see that we
> > have about 10 MB's of free space in the files
> section
> > of the group...
> If there is some space problem: I have a lot of
> Webspace on my pages (it is
> a machine at our company - if I need more space I'll
> plug in a new disk). I
> could place stuff there, that is no longer needed on
> the yahoo site.
> 
> Florian
> 


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hello.

Such an event is hardly held in Japan.
I saw a movie happily and This movie wants to introduce even A100
Japan User Group.

Are you permitted UpLoad to me at A100 Japan User Group?

Thanks.


modular303j from Japan

that's fine with me
eric

----- Original Message -----

From: "Misugi" <unyo@www91.sakura.ne.jp>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:54 AM
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Movie of Doepfer at Frankfurter Messe


> hello.
>
> Such an event is hardly held in Japan.
> I saw a movie happily and This movie wants to introduce even A100
> Japan User Group.
>
> Are you permitted UpLoad to me at A100 Japan User Group?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> modular303j from Japan
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
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>
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--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Quantum Productions
<quantumproductions@p...> wrote:
> that's fine with me
> eric
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Misugi" <unyo@w...>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:54 AM
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Movie of Doepfer at Frankfurter Messe

Hello, eric.
Thank youllo very much!

maker : EJ Snelders
Copyright : Quantum Productions

I writes it in A100 Japan User Group as mentioned above.
And I uploads a movie.

P.S.
I added A100JapanUserGroup to Links.

Misugi

Hi all

Just wanted to let you know that I just finished one of my do it yourself
modules for the A-100
this one is a 'Manual Trigger / Thru' module

This module has 6 sections, of which 4 are a manual trigger/thru (top
section) and 2 are a manual trigger only (bottom section)

** Manual Trigger/thru
has a INput, a manual momentary pushbutton and an OUTput
if nothing is connected to the input, the output gives a +5V trigger each
time the manual button is pushed (and as long as it is pushed, so it can
operate as a gate as well)
if there is something connected to the input, the output gets the throughput
of this each time (and as long as) the manual button is pushed

** Manual Trigger
this only has the push button and the OUTput, as soon as you press the
button the output gives a +5V trigger

usually you connect another trigger/gate/clock source to the INput of the
Manual trigger/thru, to enable this to be throughput with the button

what do I do with this module?
well, it is not a revolutionary design or high risk DIY project, but for me
it is quite an invaluable tool
because I can produce (max) 6 triggers manually, with which I can start
Envelopes, start/stop or clock the sequencer, switch a VC-Switch or
Sequential Clock, trigger a next sample/hold, reset an LFO, switch from one
sequencer to another (by means of a VCS or Seq switch) etc etc
this means that I can start, change or stop all kind of sound effects and
patterns with only a couple of pushes on buttons, and I don't need any
keyboard (which I would like to keep for the usual playing)

at this moment it can only be mounted in a rack with the +5V power source
(such as the basic system with midi) I do take the +5V from the bus directly
but I will expand the module with a simple circuit to create a +5V source
from the standard +12 V power

at the yahoo A100 site, I have put a couple of pictures of this module, in
the Photo Albums section in the album called Manual Trig/Thru
you can identify the Manual Trig/Thru sections (IN-red pushbutton-OUT) and
the Manual Trig sections (black pushbutton-OUT) easily

if you want to know more about this project, please don't hesitate to ask
more projects are in preparation

Eric

Very nice. This is very similar to a DIY module that I've been 
thinking about, and posted about several months ago. The one I was 
envisioning had two additional features for each switch:

1) An attenuator, operating on either the input or the normalled 
voltage, similar to the A155 external inputs jacks and the bottom row 
of A155 knobs.

2) A toggle switch, so that each "switch channel" could be used in 
either momentary or toggle mode - or even both, as the toggle switch 
would  reverse the NO/NC operation of the momentary pushbutton (2-way 
switch).

This would obviously be a much wider module, with the "switch 
channels" arranged as columns. I think it would be a bit more useful, 
but of course yours has the BIG advantage of having actually been 
built, rather than being a vapor-module.

Good work

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Quantum Productions 
<quantumproductions@p...> wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that I just finished one of my do it 
yourself
> modules for the A-100
> this one is a 'Manual Trigger / Thru' module
> 
> This module has 6 sections, of which 4 are a manual trigger/thru 
(top
> section) and 2 are a manual trigger only (bottom section)
> 
> ** Manual Trigger/thru
> has a INput, a manual momentary pushbutton and an OUTput
> if nothing is connected to the input, the output gives a +5V trigger 
each
> time the manual button is pushed (and as long as it is pushed, so it 
can
> operate as a gate as well)
> if there is something connected to the input, the output gets the 
throughput
> of this each time (and as long as) the manual button is pushed
> 
> ** Manual Trigger
> this only has the push button and the OUTput, as soon as you press 
the
> button the output gives a +5V trigger
> 
> usually you connect another trigger/gate/clock source to the INput 
of the
> Manual trigger/thru, to enable this to be throughput with the button
> 
> what do I do with this module?
> well, it is not a revolutionary design or high risk DIY project, but 
for me
> it is quite an invaluable tool
> because I can produce (max) 6 triggers manually, with which I can 
start
> Envelopes, start/stop or clock the sequencer, switch a VC-Switch or
> Sequential Clock, trigger a next sample/hold, reset an LFO, switch 
from one
> sequencer to another (by means of a VCS or Seq switch) etc etc
> this means that I can start, change or stop all kind of sound 
effects and
> patterns with only a couple of pushes on buttons, and I don't need 
any
> keyboard (which I would like to keep for the usual playing)
> 
> at this moment it can only be mounted in a rack with the +5V power 
source
> (such as the basic system with midi) I do take the +5V from the bus 
directly
> but I will expand the module with a simple circuit to create a +5V 
source
> from the standard +12 V power
> 
> at the yahoo A100 site, I have put a couple of pictures of this 
module, in
> the Photo Albums section in the album called Manual Trig/Thru
> you can identify the Manual Trig/Thru sections (IN-red 
pushbutton-OUT) and
> the Manual Trig sections (black pushbutton-OUT) easily
> 
> if you want to know more about this project, please don't hesitate 
to ask

> more projects are in preparation
> 
> Eric