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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-04 by Bakis Sirros

hi list,
isn't it sad to try to figure out what's going on
inside the a100 by watching the a170 or a185 or
a175...little leds???(btw,i do the same...).that's why
i have always proposed that we need a vu-meter
module.so,if you think you need one(like i do)vote in
the vu-meter poll....
bakis.


--- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> Timothy, you're not the only one who needs to
> correct himself five 
> minutes after posting :-)
> 
> That's how long it took me, adjusting the voltage
> from an A176 CV 
> Source, and watching the LEDs on an A170, to
> convince myself that the 
> A136 does indeed process the A, +A, and -A paths
> independently, and 
> then sums the result. My A132 suggestion was all
> wet.
> 
> If nothing else, I've learned a little bit more
> about the A136 today.
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Buechler"
> <buechlerjoe@t...> 
> wrote:
> > Timothy, the A136 User's manual says that the
> signal is split into 
> > three parts, but no signal flow diagram is
> provided. (This is only 
> > the least of the problems with the A136
> documentation). The 
> > signal diagram on the module front panel suggests
> that the "A" gain 
> > is applied BEFORE the signal is fed to the
> positive and negative 
> > clipping circuits. That's why I made the
> suggestion that I did.
> > 
> > I suppose I could spend some time experimenting to
> determine the 
> > actual signal path, but it's a tedious business
> without a scope. I 
> > wish bakis would nudge Dieter to describe the A136
> signal path, and 
> > correct all the errors in the User's Guide while
> he's at it.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tim
> Stinchcombe" 
> <timothy@t...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Joe,
> > > 
> > > > If the positive/negative gain isn't an issue,
> couldn't you just 
> > > route 
> > > > the audio thru an A132 VCA and get voltage
> control of the gain 
> > that 
> > > > way?
> > > 
> > > Internally in the A-136 the signal is split into
> three paths, and 
> > > the 'A' gain knob affects just one of these, and
> it's the 
> > interaction 
> > > of this path with the other two that produces
> all the interesting 
> > > waveshaping effects. I suspect that doing what
> you suggest just 
> > > probably wouldn't be so interesting.
> > > 
> > > Tim
> 
> 


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RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-04 by unknown freak

Have you considered getting Analogue Solutions' VU module?  It would blend
right into your rack.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bakis Sirros [mailto:synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56 PM
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question
>
>
> hi list,
> isn't it sad to try to figure out what's going on
> inside the a100 by watching the a170 or a185 or
> a175...little leds???(btw,i do the same...).that's why
> i have always proposed that we need a vu-meter
> module.so,if you think you need one(like i do)vote in
> the vu-meter poll....
> bakis.
>
>
> --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> > Timothy, you're not the only one who needs to
> > correct himself five
> > minutes after posting :-)
> >
> > That's how long it took me, adjusting the voltage
> > from an A176 CV
> > Source, and watching the LEDs on an A170, to
> > convince myself that the
> > A136 does indeed process the A, +A, and -A paths
> > independently, and
> > then sums the result. My A132 suggestion was all
> > wet.
> >
> > If nothing else, I've learned a little bit more
> > about the A136 today.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Buechler"
> > <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > wrote:
> > > Timothy, the A136 User's manual says that the
> > signal is split into
> > > three parts, but no signal flow diagram is
> > provided. (This is only
> > > the least of the problems with the A136
> > documentation). The
> > > signal diagram on the module front panel suggests
> > that the "A" gain
> > > is applied BEFORE the signal is fed to the
> > positive and negative
> > > clipping circuits. That's why I made the
> > suggestion that I did.
> > >
> > > I suppose I could spend some time experimenting to
> > determine the
> > > actual signal path, but it's a tedious business
> > without a scope. I
> > > wish bakis would nudge Dieter to describe the A136
> > signal path, and
> > > correct all the errors in the User's Guide while
> > he's at it.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tim
> > Stinchcombe"
> > <timothy@t...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi Joe,
> > > >
> > > > > If the positive/negative gain isn't an issue,
> > couldn't you just
> > > > route
> > > > > the audio thru an A132 VCA and get voltage
> > control of the gain
> > > that
> > > > > way?
> > > >
> > > > Internally in the A-136 the signal is split into
> > three paths, and
> > > > the 'A' gain knob affects just one of these, and
> > it's the
> > > interaction
> > > > of this path with the other two that produces
> > all the interesting
> > > > waveshaping effects. I suspect that doing what
> > you suggest just
> > > > probably wouldn't be so interesting.
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> athens-greece
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
>
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RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-04 by Bakis Sirros

hello,
i have it but i would much prefer a doepfer one.the
an.sol. module is in my concussor system...
also,it is a very,very cheap vu-meter.it has a dark
green color that is really difficult to see.i would
prefer something like the AS vu-meter (or the vcs3
meter)that's white,more presice and have a bigger
display.
but,as i said,i would prefer a doepfer module,anyway!
bakis.


--- unknown freak <cgraef@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> Have you considered getting Analogue Solutions' VU
> module?  It would blend
> right into your rack.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bakis Sirros
> [mailto:synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56 PM
> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question
> >
> >
> > hi list,
> > isn't it sad to try to figure out what's going on
> > inside the a100 by watching the a170 or a185 or
> > a175...little leds???(btw,i do the same...).that's
> why
> > i have always proposed that we need a vu-meter
> > module.so,if you think you need one(like i do)vote
> in
> > the vu-meter poll....
> > bakis.
> >
> >
> > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> > > Timothy, you're not the only one who needs to
> > > correct himself five
> > > minutes after posting :-)
> > >
> > > That's how long it took me, adjusting the
> voltage
> > > from an A176 CV
> > > Source, and watching the LEDs on an A170, to
> > > convince myself that the
> > > A136 does indeed process the A, +A, and -A paths
> > > independently, and
> > > then sums the result. My A132 suggestion was all
> > > wet.
> > >
> > > If nothing else, I've learned a little bit more
> > > about the A136 today.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe
> Buechler"
> > > <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Timothy, the A136 User's manual says that the
> > > signal is split into
> > > > three parts, but no signal flow diagram is
> > > provided. (This is only
> > > > the least of the problems with the A136
> > > documentation). The
> > > > signal diagram on the module front panel
> suggests
> > > that the "A" gain
> > > > is applied BEFORE the signal is fed to the
> > > positive and negative
> > > > clipping circuits. That's why I made the
> > > suggestion that I did.
> > > >
> > > > I suppose I could spend some time
> experimenting to
> > > determine the
> > > > actual signal path, but it's a tedious
> business
> > > without a scope. I
> > > > wish bakis would nudge Dieter to describe the
> A136
> > > signal path, and
> > > > correct all the errors in the User's Guide
> while
> > > he's at it.
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tim
> > > Stinchcombe"
> > > <timothy@t...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hi Joe,
> > > > >
> > > > > > If the positive/negative gain isn't an
> issue,
> > > couldn't you just
> > > > > route
> > > > > > the audio thru an A132 VCA and get voltage
> > > control of the gain
> > > > that
> > > > > > way?
> > > > >
> > > > > Internally in the A-136 the signal is split
> into
> > > three paths, and
> > > > > the 'A' gain knob affects just one of these,
> and
> > > it's the
> > > > interaction
> > > > > of this path with the other two that
> produces
> > > all the interesting
> > > > > waveshaping effects. I suspect that doing
> what
> > > you suggest just
> > > > > probably wouldn't be so interesting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > athens-greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> >
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> 
> 
> 


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Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-05 by selfoscillate

the analogue solutions vu-meter isn't available anymore.
the analogue systems vu-meter should be a better choice.

best wishes

self oscillate


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "unknown freak" <cgraef@n...> 
wrote:
> Have you considered getting Analogue Solutions' VU module?  It 
would blend
> right into your rack.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bakis Sirros [mailto:synth_freak_2000@y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56 PM
> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question
> >
> >
> > hi list,
> > isn't it sad to try to figure out what's going on
> > inside the a100 by watching the a170 or a185 or
> > a175...little leds???(btw,i do the same...).that's why
> > i have always proposed that we need a vu-meter
> > module.so,if you think you need one(like i do)vote in
> > the vu-meter poll....
> > bakis.
> >
> >
> > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > Timothy, you're not the only one who needs to
> > > correct himself five
> > > minutes after posting :-)
> > >
> > > That's how long it took me, adjusting the voltage
> > > from an A176 CV
> > > Source, and watching the LEDs on an A170, to
> > > convince myself that the
> > > A136 does indeed process the A, +A, and -A paths
> > > independently, and
> > > then sums the result. My A132 suggestion was all
> > > wet.
> > >
> > > If nothing else, I've learned a little bit more
> > > about the A136 today.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Buechler"
> > > <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Timothy, the A136 User's manual says that the
> > > signal is split into
> > > > three parts, but no signal flow diagram is
> > > provided. (This is only
> > > > the least of the problems with the A136
> > > documentation). The
> > > > signal diagram on the module front panel suggests
> > > that the "A" gain
> > > > is applied BEFORE the signal is fed to the
> > > positive and negative
> > > > clipping circuits. That's why I made the
> > > suggestion that I did.
> > > >
> > > > I suppose I could spend some time experimenting to
> > > determine the
> > > > actual signal path, but it's a tedious business
> > > without a scope. I
> > > > wish bakis would nudge Dieter to describe the A136
> > > signal path, and
> > > > correct all the errors in the User's Guide while
> > > he's at it.
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tim
> > > Stinchcombe"
> > > <timothy@t...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hi Joe,
> > > > >
> > > > > > If the positive/negative gain isn't an issue,
> > > couldn't you just
> > > > > route
> > > > > > the audio thru an A132 VCA and get voltage
> > > control of the gain
> > > > that
> > > > > > way?
> > > > >
> > > > > Internally in the A-136 the signal is split into
> > > three paths, and
> > > > > the 'A' gain knob affects just one of these, and
> > > it's the
> > > > interaction
> > > > > of this path with the other two that produces
> > > all the interesting
> > > > > waveshaping effects. I suspect that doing what
> > > you suggest just
> > > > > probably wouldn't be so interesting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > athens-greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> >
> > __________________________________
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-05 by Bakis Sirros

hi self-osc,
no!.the doepfer A1?? vu-meter should be the best
choise ;-)
bakis.


--- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> the analogue solutions vu-meter isn't available
> anymore.
> the analogue systems vu-meter should be a better
> choice.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> self oscillate
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "unknown freak"
> <cgraef@n...> 
> wrote:
> > Have you considered getting Analogue Solutions' VU
> module?  It 
> would blend
> > right into your rack.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bakis Sirros
> [mailto:synth_freak_2000@y...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56 PM
> > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV
> question
> > >
> > >
> > > hi list,
> > > isn't it sad to try to figure out what's going
> on
> > > inside the a100 by watching the a170 or a185 or
> > > a175...little leds???(btw,i do the
> same...).that's why
> > > i have always proposed that we need a vu-meter
> > > module.so,if you think you need one(like i
> do)vote in
> > > the vu-meter poll....
> > > bakis.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > > Timothy, you're not the only one who needs to
> > > > correct himself five
> > > > minutes after posting :-)
> > > >
> > > > That's how long it took me, adjusting the
> voltage
> > > > from an A176 CV
> > > > Source, and watching the LEDs on an A170, to
> > > > convince myself that the
> > > > A136 does indeed process the A, +A, and -A
> paths
> > > > independently, and
> > > > then sums the result. My A132 suggestion was
> all
> > > > wet.
> > > >
> > > > If nothing else, I've learned a little bit
> more
> > > > about the A136 today.
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe
> Buechler"
> > > > <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Timothy, the A136 User's manual says that
> the
> > > > signal is split into
> > > > > three parts, but no signal flow diagram is
> > > > provided. (This is only
> > > > > the least of the problems with the A136
> > > > documentation). The
> > > > > signal diagram on the module front panel
> suggests
> > > > that the "A" gain
> > > > > is applied BEFORE the signal is fed to the
> > > > positive and negative
> > > > > clipping circuits. That's why I made the
> > > > suggestion that I did.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suppose I could spend some time
> experimenting to
> > > > determine the
> > > > > actual signal path, but it's a tedious
> business
> > > > without a scope. I
> > > > > wish bakis would nudge Dieter to describe
> the A136
> > > > signal path, and
> > > > > correct all the errors in the User's Guide
> while
> > > > he's at it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tim
> > > > Stinchcombe"
> > > > <timothy@t...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Joe,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > If the positive/negative gain isn't an
> issue,
> > > > couldn't you just
> > > > > > route
> > > > > > > the audio thru an A132 VCA and get
> voltage
> > > > control of the gain
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > way?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Internally in the A-136 the signal is
> split into
> > > > three paths, and
> > > > > > the 'A' gain knob affects just one of
> these, and
> > > > it's the
> > > > > interaction
> > > > > > of this path with the other two that
> produces
> > > > all the interesting
> > > > > > waveshaping effects. I suspect that doing
> what
> > > > you suggest just
> > > > > > probably wouldn't be so interesting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tim
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > > athens-greece
> > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > >
> > > __________________________________
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> > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
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> 


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Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-05 by selfoscillate

hello bakis,

yes, you are right ;-)
i would also prefer a doepfer-meter.

best wishes

self oscillate

p.s. by the way, how do you like the technosaurus?
     does it really sound that good compared to other modulars?
     i never gave it a try because i find it is too expensive.



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> hi self-osc,
> no!.the doepfer A1?? vu-meter should be the best
> choise ;-)
> bakis.
> 
> 
> --- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > the analogue solutions vu-meter isn't available
> > anymore.
> > the analogue systems vu-meter should be a better
> > choice.
> > 
> > best wishes
> > 
> > self oscillate
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "unknown freak"
> > <cgraef@n...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Have you considered getting Analogue Solutions' VU
> > module?  It 
> > would blend
> > > right into your rack.
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Bakis Sirros
> > [mailto:synth_freak_2000@y...]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56 PM
> > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV
> > question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > hi list,
> > > > isn't it sad to try to figure out what's going
> > on
> > > > inside the a100 by watching the a170 or a185 or
> > > > a175...little leds???(btw,i do the
> > same...).that's why
> > > > i have always proposed that we need a vu-meter
> > > > module.so,if you think you need one(like i
> > do)vote in
> > > > the vu-meter poll....
> > > > bakis.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > > > Timothy, you're not the only one who needs to
> > > > > correct himself five
> > > > > minutes after posting :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > That's how long it took me, adjusting the
> > voltage
> > > > > from an A176 CV
> > > > > Source, and watching the LEDs on an A170, to
> > > > > convince myself that the
> > > > > A136 does indeed process the A, +A, and -A
> > paths
> > > > > independently, and
> > > > > then sums the result. My A132 suggestion was
> > all
> > > > > wet.
> > > > >
> > > > > If nothing else, I've learned a little bit
> > more
> > > > > about the A136 today.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe
> > Buechler"
> > > > > <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Timothy, the A136 User's manual says that
> > the
> > > > > signal is split into
> > > > > > three parts, but no signal flow diagram is
> > > > > provided. (This is only
> > > > > > the least of the problems with the A136
> > > > > documentation). The
> > > > > > signal diagram on the module front panel
> > suggests
> > > > > that the "A" gain
> > > > > > is applied BEFORE the signal is fed to the
> > > > > positive and negative
> > > > > > clipping circuits. That's why I made the
> > > > > suggestion that I did.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I suppose I could spend some time
> > experimenting to
> > > > > determine the
> > > > > > actual signal path, but it's a tedious
> > business
> > > > > without a scope. I
> > > > > > wish bakis would nudge Dieter to describe
> > the A136
> > > > > signal path, and
> > > > > > correct all the errors in the User's Guide
> > while
> > > > > he's at it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tim
> > > > > Stinchcombe"
> > > > > <timothy@t...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Joe,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If the positive/negative gain isn't an
> > issue,
> > > > > couldn't you just
> > > > > > > route
> > > > > > > > the audio thru an A132 VCA and get
> > voltage
> > > > > control of the gain
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > way?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Internally in the A-136 the signal is
> > split into
> > > > > three paths, and
> > > > > > > the 'A' gain knob affects just one of
> > these, and
> > > > > it's the
> > > > > > interaction
> > > > > > > of this path with the other two that
> > produces
> > > > > all the interesting
> > > > > > > waveshaping effects. I suspect that doing
> > what
> > > > > you suggest just
> > > > > > > probably wouldn't be so interesting.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-05 by Bakis Sirros

hi selfosc,
the selector sounds excellent!especially the vca
overdrive function makes some awesome sounds!BUT,i
really cannot tell that is sounds better than
my(cheaper)a100...just different.ok,it sounds fat,but
instead of three selector vco's,you can use four a110
in your a100.i think the result will have the same
fatness!what you are paying in the selector is
the(expensive)woodencase,the expensive bigjacks and
the bigger frontplates.together with better
pontetiometers,etc...BUT!,it still sounds as good as
my doepfer and integrator!you have many,many cv inputs
and outputs in the selector modules(that's why you
don't need mixer modules and multiples(well,most of
the times...).so,if you think about it ,the selector
modules are not that much expensive compared to
doepfer and AS.
btw,i love the way it looks!!!!:-)
i intend to expand it further now that jurg oldani
will be releasing a new 10U version of the selector
modules with a much cheaper metal 10U cabinet!
that's all.
bottom line:if i want a FAT sounding low sound i will,
probably, go to my selector,but if i want more
experimental stuff i will run to my a100 and my(now
12U)integrator for help!
bakis.


--- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> hello bakis,
> 
> yes, you are right ;-)
> i would also prefer a doepfer-meter.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> self oscillate
> 
> p.s. by the way, how do you like the technosaurus?
>      does it really sound that good compared to
> other modulars?
>      i never gave it a try because i find it is too
> expensive.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > hi self-osc,
> > no!.the doepfer A1?? vu-meter should be the best
> > choise ;-)
> > bakis.
> > 
> > 
> > --- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > the analogue solutions vu-meter isn't available
> > > anymore.
> > > the analogue systems vu-meter should be a better
> > > choice.
> > > 
> > > best wishes
> > > 
> > > self oscillate
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "unknown
> freak"
> > > <cgraef@n...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Have you considered getting Analogue
> Solutions' VU
> > > module?  It 
> > > would blend
> > > > right into your rack.
> > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Bakis Sirros
> > > [mailto:synth_freak_2000@y...]
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56 PM
> > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV
> > > question
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > hi list,
> > > > > isn't it sad to try to figure out what's
> going
> > > on
> > > > > inside the a100 by watching the a170 or a185
> or
> > > > > a175...little leds???(btw,i do the
> > > same...).that's why
> > > > > i have always proposed that we need a
> vu-meter
> > > > > module.so,if you think you need one(like i
> > > do)vote in
> > > > > the vu-meter poll....
> > > > > bakis.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > > > > Timothy, you're not the only one who needs
> to
> > > > > > correct himself five
> > > > > > minutes after posting :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's how long it took me, adjusting the
> > > voltage
> > > > > > from an A176 CV
> > > > > > Source, and watching the LEDs on an A170,
> to
> > > > > > convince myself that the
> > > > > > A136 does indeed process the A, +A, and -A
> > > paths
> > > > > > independently, and
> > > > > > then sums the result. My A132 suggestion
> was
> > > all
> > > > > > wet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If nothing else, I've learned a little bit
> > > more
> > > > > > about the A136 today.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe
> > > Buechler"
> > > > > > <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Timothy, the A136 User's manual says
> that
> > > the
> > > > > > signal is split into
> > > > > > > three parts, but no signal flow diagram
> is
> > > > > > provided. (This is only
> > > > > > > the least of the problems with the A136
> > > > > > documentation). The
> > > > > > > signal diagram on the module front panel
> > > suggests
> > > > > > that the "A" gain
> > > > > > > is applied BEFORE the signal is fed to
> the
> > > > > > positive and negative
> > > > > > > clipping circuits. That's why I made the
> > > > > > suggestion that I did.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I suppose I could spend some time
> > > experimenting to
> > > > > > determine the
> > > > > > > actual signal path, but it's a tedious
> > > business
> > > > > > without a scope. I
> > > > > > > wish bakis would nudge Dieter to
> describe
> > > the A136
> > > > > > signal path, and
> > > > > > > correct all the errors in the User's
> Guide
> > > while
> > > > > > he's at it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> "Tim
> > > > > > Stinchcombe"
> > > > > > <timothy@t...>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Joe,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If the positive/negative gain isn't
> an
> > > issue,
> > > > > > couldn't you just
> > > > > > > > route
> > > > > > > > > the audio thru an A132 VCA and get
> > > voltage
> > > > > > control of the gain
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > way?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Internally in the A-136 the signal is
> > > split into
> > > > > > three paths, and
> > > > > > > > the 'A' gain knob affects just one of
> > > these, and
> > > > > > it's the
> > > > > > > interaction
> > > > > > > > of this path with the other two that
> > > produces
> > > > > > all the interesting
> > > > > > > > waveshaping effects. I suspect that
> doing
> > > what
> > > > > > you suggest just
> > > > > > > > probably wouldn't be so interesting.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > =====
> > > > > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > > > > athens-greece
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Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-05 by klamb000

Me too.  I'd like that's backlit.  I think one shoud have at least 2.

Regards,
Kevin

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "selfoscillate" 
<synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
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> 
> hello bakis,
> 
> yes, you are right ;-)
> i would also prefer a doepfer-meter.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> self oscillate
> 
> p.s. by the way, how do you like the technosaurus?
>      does it really sound that good compared to other modulars?
>      i never gave it a try because i find it is too expensive.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > hi self-osc,
> > no!.the doepfer A1?? vu-meter should be the best
> > choise ;-)
> > bakis.
> > 
> > 
> > --- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > the analogue solutions vu-meter isn't available
> > > anymore.
> > > the analogue systems vu-meter should be a better
> > > choice.
> > > 
> > > best wishes
> > > 
> > > self oscillate
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "unknown freak"
> > > <cgraef@n...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Have you considered getting Analogue Solutions' VU
> > > module?  It 
> > > would blend
> > > > right into your rack.
> > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Bakis Sirros
> > > [mailto:synth_freak_2000@y...]
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56 PM
> > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV
> > > question
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > hi list,
> > > > > isn't it sad to try to figure out what's going
> > > on
> > > > > inside the a100 by watching the a170 or a185 or
> > > > > a175...little leds???(btw,i do the
> > > same...).that's why
> > > > > i have always proposed that we need a vu-meter
> > > > > module.so,if you think you need one(like i
> > > do)vote in
> > > > > the vu-meter poll....
> > > > > bakis.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > > > > Timothy, you're not the only one who needs to
> > > > > > correct himself five
> > > > > > minutes after posting :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's how long it took me, adjusting the
> > > voltage
> > > > > > from an A176 CV
> > > > > > Source, and watching the LEDs on an A170, to
> > > > > > convince myself that the
> > > > > > A136 does indeed process the A, +A, and -A
> > > paths
> > > > > > independently, and
> > > > > > then sums the result. My A132 suggestion was
> > > all
> > > > > > wet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If nothing else, I've learned a little bit
> > > more
> > > > > > about the A136 today.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe
> > > Buechler"
> > > > > > <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Timothy, the A136 User's manual says that
> > > the
> > > > > > signal is split into
> > > > > > > three parts, but no signal flow diagram is
> > > > > > provided. (This is only
> > > > > > > the least of the problems with the A136
> > > > > > documentation). The
> > > > > > > signal diagram on the module front panel
> > > suggests
> > > > > > that the "A" gain
> > > > > > > is applied BEFORE the signal is fed to the
> > > > > > positive and negative
> > > > > > > clipping circuits. That's why I made the
> > > > > > suggestion that I did.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I suppose I could spend some time
> > > experimenting to
> > > > > > determine the
> > > > > > > actual signal path, but it's a tedious
> > > business
> > > > > > without a scope. I
> > > > > > > wish bakis would nudge Dieter to describe
> > > the A136
> > > > > > signal path, and
> > > > > > > correct all the errors in the User's Guide
> > > while
> > > > > > he's at it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tim
> > > > > > Stinchcombe"
> > > > > > <timothy@t...>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Joe,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If the positive/negative gain isn't an
> > > issue,
> > > > > > couldn't you just
> > > > > > > > route
> > > > > > > > > the audio thru an A132 VCA and get
> > > voltage
> > > > > > control of the gain
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > way?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Internally in the A-136 the signal is
> > > split into
> > > > > > three paths, and
> > > > > > > > the 'A' gain knob affects just one of
> > > these, and
> > > > > > it's the
> > > > > > > interaction
> > > > > > > > of this path with the other two that
> > > produces
> > > > > > all the interesting
> > > > > > > > waveshaping effects. I suspect that doing
> > > what
> > > > > > you suggest just
> > > > > > > > probably wouldn't be so interesting.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > =====
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> > > > > athens-greece
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Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-05 by Joe Buechler

I'd like it to be a moving coil analog meter, and illuminated. I'd 
probably use it most for monitoring control voltages, so I'd like it 
to be DC-coupled, linear, with a positive/negative display. It would 
be ideal if it could also be switched to an audio scale, AC-coupled 
exponential with a positive-only DB scale.

As far as having two, maybe it could be a dual meter module.

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "klamb000" <lamb@c...> wrote:
> Me too.  I'd like that's backlit.  I think one shoud have at least 
2.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> Regards,
> Kevin
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "selfoscillate" 
> <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > hello bakis,
> > 
> > yes, you are right ;-)
> > i would also prefer a doepfer-meter.
> > 
> > best wishes
> > 
> > self oscillate
> > 
> > p.s. by the way, how do you like the technosaurus?
> >      does it really sound that good compared to other modulars?
> >      i never gave it a try because i find it is too expensive.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > hi self-osc,
> > > no!.the doepfer A1?? vu-meter should be the best
> > > choise ;-)
> > > bakis.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > the analogue solutions vu-meter isn't available
> > > > anymore.
> > > > the analogue systems vu-meter should be a better
> > > > choice.
> > > > 
> > > > best wishes
> > > > 
> > > > self oscillate
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "unknown freak"
> > > > <cgraef@n...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Have you considered getting Analogue Solutions' VU
> > > > module?  It 
> > > > would blend
> > > > > right into your rack.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Bakis Sirros
> > > > [mailto:synth_freak_2000@y...]
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56 PM
> > > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV
> > > > question
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hi list,
> > > > > > isn't it sad to try to figure out what's going
> > > > on
> > > > > > inside the a100 by watching the a170 or a185 or
> > > > > > a175...little leds???(btw,i do the
> > > > same...).that's why
> > > > > > i have always proposed that we need a vu-meter
> > > > > > module.so,if you think you need one(like i
> > > > do)vote in
> > > > > > the vu-meter poll....
> > > > > > bakis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Timothy, you're not the only one who needs to
> > > > > > > correct himself five
> > > > > > > minutes after posting :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's how long it took me, adjusting the
> > > > voltage
> > > > > > > from an A176 CV
> > > > > > > Source, and watching the LEDs on an A170, to
> > > > > > > convince myself that the
> > > > > > > A136 does indeed process the A, +A, and -A
> > > > paths
> > > > > > > independently, and
> > > > > > > then sums the result. My A132 suggestion was
> > > > all
> > > > > > > wet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If nothing else, I've learned a little bit
> > > > more
> > > > > > > about the A136 today.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe
> > > > Buechler"
> > > > > > > <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Timothy, the A136 User's manual says that
> > > > the
> > > > > > > signal is split into
> > > > > > > > three parts, but no signal flow diagram is
> > > > > > > provided. (This is only
> > > > > > > > the least of the problems with the A136
> > > > > > > documentation). The
> > > > > > > > signal diagram on the module front panel
> > > > suggests
> > > > > > > that the "A" gain
> > > > > > > > is applied BEFORE the signal is fed to the
> > > > > > > positive and negative
> > > > > > > > clipping circuits. That's why I made the
> > > > > > > suggestion that I did.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I suppose I could spend some time
> > > > experimenting to
> > > > > > > determine the
> > > > > > > > actual signal path, but it's a tedious
> > > > business
> > > > > > > without a scope. I
> > > > > > > > wish bakis would nudge Dieter to describe
> > > > the A136
> > > > > > > signal path, and
> > > > > > > > correct all the errors in the User's Guide
> > > > while
> > > > > > > he's at it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tim
> > > > > > > Stinchcombe"
> > > > > > > <timothy@t...>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi Joe,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If the positive/negative gain isn't an
> > > > issue,
> > > > > > > couldn't you just
> > > > > > > > > route
> > > > > > > > > > the audio thru an A132 VCA and get
> > > > voltage
> > > > > > > control of the gain
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > way?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Internally in the A-136 the signal is
> > > > split into
> > > > > > > three paths, and
> > > > > > > > > the 'A' gain knob affects just one of
> > > > these, and
> > > > > > > it's the
> > > > > > > > interaction
> > > > > > > > > of this path with the other two that
> > > > produces
> > > > > > > all the interesting
> > > > > > > > > waveshaping effects. I suspect that doing
> > > > what
> > > > > > > you suggest just
> > > > > > > > > probably wouldn't be so interesting.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =====
> > > > > > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > > > > > athens-greece
> > > > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > > > > >
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Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-05 by klamb000

Count me in again.  Joe's idea wins so far.

Regards,
Kevin
 

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> hey joe,
> i want one like yours,too:-)
> bakis.
> 
> 
> --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > I'd like it to be a moving coil analog meter, and
> > illuminated. I'd 
> > probably use it most for monitoring control
> > voltages, so I'd like it 
> > to be DC-coupled, linear, with a positive/negative
> > display. It would 
> > be ideal if it could also be switched to an audio
> > scale, AC-coupled 
> > exponential with a positive-only DB scale.
> > 
> > As far as having two, maybe it could be a dual meter
> > module.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "klamb000"
> > <lamb@c...> wrote:
> > > Me too.  I'd like that's backlit.  I think one
> > shoud have at least 
> > 2.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Kevin
> > > 
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > "selfoscillate" 
> > > <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > hello bakis,
> > > > 
> > > > yes, you are right ;-)
> > > > i would also prefer a doepfer-meter.
> > > > 
> > > > best wishes
> > > > 
> > > > self oscillate
> > > > 
> > > > p.s. by the way, how do you like the
> > technosaurus?
> > > >      does it really sound that good compared to
> > other modulars?
> > > >      i never gave it a try because i find it is
> > too expensive.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis
> > Sirros 
> > > > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > > hi self-osc,
> > > > > no!.the doepfer A1?? vu-meter should be the
> > best
> > > > > choise ;-)
> > > > > bakis.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > the analogue solutions vu-meter isn't
> > available
> > > > > > anymore.
> > > > > > the analogue systems vu-meter should be a
> > better
> > > > > > choice.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > best wishes
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > self oscillate
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > "unknown freak"
> > > > > > <cgraef@n...> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Have you considered getting Analogue
> > Solutions' VU
> > > > > > module?  It 
> > > > > > would blend
> > > > > > > right into your rack.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Bakis Sirros
> > > > > > [mailto:synth_freak_2000@y...]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56 PM
> > > > > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV
> > > > > > question
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > hi list,
> > > > > > > > isn't it sad to try to figure out what's
> > going
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > inside the a100 by watching the a170 or
> > a185 or
> > > > > > > > a175...little leds???(btw,i do the
> > > > > > same...).that's why
> > > > > > > > i have always proposed that we need a
> > vu-meter
> > > > > > > > module.so,if you think you need one(like
> > i
> > > > > > do)vote in
> > > > > > > > the vu-meter poll....
> > > > > > > > bakis.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Timothy, you're not the only one who
> > needs to
> > > > > > > > > correct himself five
> > > > > > > > > minutes after posting :-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That's how long it took me, adjusting
> > the
> > > > > > voltage
> > > > > > > > > from an A176 CV
> > > > > > > > > Source, and watching the LEDs on an
> > A170, to
> > > > > > > > > convince myself that the
> > > > > > > > > A136 does indeed process the A, +A,
> > and -A
> > > > > > paths
> > > > > > > > > independently, and
> > > > > > > > > then sums the result. My A132
> > suggestion was
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > wet.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If nothing else, I've learned a little
> > bit
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > about the A136 today.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Joe
> > > > > > Buechler"
> > > > > > > > > <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Timothy, the A136 User's manual says
> > that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > signal is split into
> > > > > > > > > > three parts, but no signal flow
> > diagram is
> > > > > > > > > provided. (This is only
> > > > > > > > > > the least of the problems with the
> > A136
> > > > > > > > > documentation). The
> > > > > > > > > > signal diagram on the module front
> > panel
> > > > > > suggests
> > > > > > > > > that the "A" gain
> > > > > > > > > > is applied BEFORE the signal is fed
> > to the
> > > > > > > > > positive and negative
> > > > > > > > > > clipping circuits. That's why I made
> > the
> > > > > > > > > suggestion that I did.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I suppose I could spend some time
> > > > > > experimenting to
> > > > > > > > > determine the
> > > > > > > > > > actual signal path, but it's a
> > tedious
> > > > > > business
> > > > > > > > > without a scope. I
> > > > > > > > > > wish bakis would nudge Dieter to
> > describe
> > > > > > the A136
> > > > > > > > > signal path, and
> > > > > > > > > > correct all the errors in the User's
> > Guide
> > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > > he's at it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Tim
> > > > > > > > > Stinchcombe"
> > > > > > > > > <timothy@t...>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Joe,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If the positive/negative gain
> > isn't an
> > > > > > issue,
> > > > > > > > > couldn't you just
> > > > > > > > > > > route
> > > > > > > > > > > > the audio thru an A132 VCA and
> > get
> > > > > > voltage
> > > > > > > > > control of the gain
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > way?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Internally in the A-136 the signal
> > is
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-05 by Bakis Sirros

hi kevin,
backlit would be great,indeed....
bakis.


--- klamb000 <lamb@charter.net> wrote:
> Me too.  I'd like that's backlit.  I think one shoud
> have at least 2.
> 
> Regards,
> Kevin
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "selfoscillate"
> 
> <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > hello bakis,
> > 
> > yes, you are right ;-)
> > i would also prefer a doepfer-meter.
> > 
> > best wishes
> > 
> > self oscillate
> > 
> > p.s. by the way, how do you like the technosaurus?
> >      does it really sound that good compared to
> other modulars?
> >      i never gave it a try because i find it is
> too expensive.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > hi self-osc,
> > > no!.the doepfer A1?? vu-meter should be the best
> > > choise ;-)
> > > bakis.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > the analogue solutions vu-meter isn't
> available
> > > > anymore.
> > > > the analogue systems vu-meter should be a
> better
> > > > choice.
> > > > 
> > > > best wishes
> > > > 
> > > > self oscillate
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "unknown
> freak"
> > > > <cgraef@n...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Have you considered getting Analogue
> Solutions' VU
> > > > module?  It 
> > > > would blend
> > > > > right into your rack.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Bakis Sirros
> > > > [mailto:synth_freak_2000@y...]
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56 PM
> > > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV
> > > > question
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hi list,
> > > > > > isn't it sad to try to figure out what's
> going
> > > > on
> > > > > > inside the a100 by watching the a170 or
> a185 or
> > > > > > a175...little leds???(btw,i do the
> > > > same...).that's why
> > > > > > i have always proposed that we need a
> vu-meter
> > > > > > module.so,if you think you need one(like i
> > > > do)vote in
> > > > > > the vu-meter poll....
> > > > > > bakis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Timothy, you're not the only one who
> needs to
> > > > > > > correct himself five
> > > > > > > minutes after posting :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's how long it took me, adjusting
> the
> > > > voltage
> > > > > > > from an A176 CV
> > > > > > > Source, and watching the LEDs on an
> A170, to
> > > > > > > convince myself that the
> > > > > > > A136 does indeed process the A, +A, and
> -A
> > > > paths
> > > > > > > independently, and
> > > > > > > then sums the result. My A132 suggestion
> was
> > > > all
> > > > > > > wet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If nothing else, I've learned a little
> bit
> > > > more
> > > > > > > about the A136 today.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> "Joe
> > > > Buechler"
> > > > > > > <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Timothy, the A136 User's manual says
> that
> > > > the
> > > > > > > signal is split into
> > > > > > > > three parts, but no signal flow
> diagram is
> > > > > > > provided. (This is only
> > > > > > > > the least of the problems with the
> A136
> > > > > > > documentation). The
> > > > > > > > signal diagram on the module front
> panel
> > > > suggests
> > > > > > > that the "A" gain
> > > > > > > > is applied BEFORE the signal is fed to
> the
> > > > > > > positive and negative
> > > > > > > > clipping circuits. That's why I made
> the
> > > > > > > suggestion that I did.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I suppose I could spend some time
> > > > experimenting to
> > > > > > > determine the
> > > > > > > > actual signal path, but it's a tedious
> > > > business
> > > > > > > without a scope. I
> > > > > > > > wish bakis would nudge Dieter to
> describe
> > > > the A136
> > > > > > > signal path, and
> > > > > > > > correct all the errors in the User's
> Guide
> > > > while
> > > > > > > he's at it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> "Tim
> > > > > > > Stinchcombe"
> > > > > > > <timothy@t...>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi Joe,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If the positive/negative gain
> isn't an
> > > > issue,
> > > > > > > couldn't you just
> > > > > > > > > route
> > > > > > > > > > the audio thru an A132 VCA and get
> > > > voltage
> > > > > > > control of the gain
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > way?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Internally in the A-136 the signal
> is
> > > > split into
> > > > > > > three paths, and
> > > > > > > > > the 'A' gain knob affects just one
> of
> > > > these, and
> > > > > > > it's the
> > > > > > > > interaction
> > > > > > > > > of this path with the other two that
> > > > produces
> > > > > > > all the interesting
> > > > > > > > > waveshaping effects. I suspect that
> doing
> > > > what
> > > > > > > you suggest just
> > > > > > > > > probably wouldn't be so interesting.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =====
> > > > > > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > > > > > athens-greece
> > > > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> 
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-05 by Bakis Sirros

hey joe,
i want one like yours,too:-)
bakis.


--- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like it to be a moving coil analog meter, and
> illuminated. I'd 
> probably use it most for monitoring control
> voltages, so I'd like it 
> to be DC-coupled, linear, with a positive/negative
> display. It would 
> be ideal if it could also be switched to an audio
> scale, AC-coupled 
> exponential with a positive-only DB scale.
> 
> As far as having two, maybe it could be a dual meter
> module.
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "klamb000"
> <lamb@c...> wrote:
> > Me too.  I'd like that's backlit.  I think one
> shoud have at least 
> 2.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Kevin
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> "selfoscillate" 
> > <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > hello bakis,
> > > 
> > > yes, you are right ;-)
> > > i would also prefer a doepfer-meter.
> > > 
> > > best wishes
> > > 
> > > self oscillate
> > > 
> > > p.s. by the way, how do you like the
> technosaurus?
> > >      does it really sound that good compared to
> other modulars?
> > >      i never gave it a try because i find it is
> too expensive.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis
> Sirros 
> > > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > hi self-osc,
> > > > no!.the doepfer A1?? vu-meter should be the
> best
> > > > choise ;-)
> > > > bakis.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > the analogue solutions vu-meter isn't
> available
> > > > > anymore.
> > > > > the analogue systems vu-meter should be a
> better
> > > > > choice.
> > > > > 
> > > > > best wishes
> > > > > 
> > > > > self oscillate
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> "unknown freak"
> > > > > <cgraef@n...> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Have you considered getting Analogue
> Solutions' VU
> > > > > module?  It 
> > > > > would blend
> > > > > > right into your rack.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Bakis Sirros
> > > > > [mailto:synth_freak_2000@y...]
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56 PM
> > > > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV
> > > > > question
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > hi list,
> > > > > > > isn't it sad to try to figure out what's
> going
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > inside the a100 by watching the a170 or
> a185 or
> > > > > > > a175...little leds???(btw,i do the
> > > > > same...).that's why
> > > > > > > i have always proposed that we need a
> vu-meter
> > > > > > > module.so,if you think you need one(like
> i
> > > > > do)vote in
> > > > > > > the vu-meter poll....
> > > > > > > bakis.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Timothy, you're not the only one who
> needs to
> > > > > > > > correct himself five
> > > > > > > > minutes after posting :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That's how long it took me, adjusting
> the
> > > > > voltage
> > > > > > > > from an A176 CV
> > > > > > > > Source, and watching the LEDs on an
> A170, to
> > > > > > > > convince myself that the
> > > > > > > > A136 does indeed process the A, +A,
> and -A
> > > > > paths
> > > > > > > > independently, and
> > > > > > > > then sums the result. My A132
> suggestion was
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > > wet.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If nothing else, I've learned a little
> bit
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > > about the A136 today.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> "Joe
> > > > > Buechler"
> > > > > > > > <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Timothy, the A136 User's manual says
> that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > signal is split into
> > > > > > > > > three parts, but no signal flow
> diagram is
> > > > > > > > provided. (This is only
> > > > > > > > > the least of the problems with the
> A136
> > > > > > > > documentation). The
> > > > > > > > > signal diagram on the module front
> panel
> > > > > suggests
> > > > > > > > that the "A" gain
> > > > > > > > > is applied BEFORE the signal is fed
> to the
> > > > > > > > positive and negative
> > > > > > > > > clipping circuits. That's why I made
> the
> > > > > > > > suggestion that I did.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I suppose I could spend some time
> > > > > experimenting to
> > > > > > > > determine the
> > > > > > > > > actual signal path, but it's a
> tedious
> > > > > business
> > > > > > > > without a scope. I
> > > > > > > > > wish bakis would nudge Dieter to
> describe
> > > > > the A136
> > > > > > > > signal path, and
> > > > > > > > > correct all the errors in the User's
> Guide
> > > > > while
> > > > > > > > he's at it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> "Tim
> > > > > > > > Stinchcombe"
> > > > > > > > <timothy@t...>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Joe,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If the positive/negative gain
> isn't an
> > > > > issue,
> > > > > > > > couldn't you just
> > > > > > > > > > route
> > > > > > > > > > > the audio thru an A132 VCA and
> get
> > > > > voltage
> > > > > > > > control of the gain
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > way?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Internally in the A-136 the signal
> is
> 
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-05 by Andreas Lindholm

The more technological aspects of this I don't really get, but audio capable
is also nice. But as I see it it makes for a nice "high-end "version. I
think that would make sense for doepfer to make a basic version and a high
end version (with attenuator as always ;)

/Andreas

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Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question


> Count me in again.  Joe's idea wins so far.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > hey joe,
> > i want one like yours,too:-)
> > bakis.
> >
> >
> > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > I'd like it to be a moving coil analog meter, and
> > > illuminated. I'd
> > > probably use it most for monitoring control
> > > voltages, so I'd like it
> > > to be DC-coupled, linear, with a positive/negative
> > > display. It would
> > > be ideal if it could also be switched to an audio
> > > scale, AC-coupled
> > > exponential with a positive-only DB scale.
> > >
> > > As far as having two, maybe it could be a dual meter
> > > module.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "klamb000"
> > > <lamb@c...> wrote:
> > > > Me too.  I'd like that's backlit.  I think one
> > > shoud have at least
> > > 2.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Kevin
> > > >
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "selfoscillate"
> > > > <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hello bakis,
> > > > >
> > > > > yes, you are right ;-)
> > > > > i would also prefer a doepfer-meter.
> > > > >
> > > > > best wishes
> > > > >
> > > > > self oscillate
> > > > >
> > > > > p.s. by the way, how do you like the
> > > technosaurus?
> > > > >      does it really sound that good compared to
> > > other modulars?
> > > > >      i never gave it a try because i find it is
> > > too expensive.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis
> > > Sirros
> > > > > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > hi self-osc,
> > > > > > no!.the doepfer A1?? vu-meter should be the
> > > best
> > > > > > choise ;-)
> > > > > > bakis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the analogue solutions vu-meter isn't
> > > available
> > > > > > > anymore.
> > > > > > > the analogue systems vu-meter should be a
> > > better
> > > > > > > choice.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > best wishes
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > self oscillate
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "unknown freak"
> > > > > > > <cgraef@n...>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Have you considered getting Analogue
> > > Solutions' VU
> > > > > > > module?  It
> > > > > > > would blend
> > > > > > > > right into your rack.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Bakis Sirros
> > > > > > > [mailto:synth_freak_2000@y...]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV
> > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > hi list,
> > > > > > > > > isn't it sad to try to figure out what's
> > > going
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > inside the a100 by watching the a170 or
> > > a185 or
> > > > > > > > > a175...little leds???(btw,i do the
> > > > > > > same...).that's why
> > > > > > > > > i have always proposed that we need a
> > > vu-meter
> > > > > > > > > module.so,if you think you need one(like
> > > i
> > > > > > > do)vote in
> > > > > > > > > the vu-meter poll....
> > > > > > > > > bakis.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Timothy, you're not the only one who
> > > needs to
> > > > > > > > > > correct himself five
> > > > > > > > > > minutes after posting :-)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > That's how long it took me, adjusting
> > > the
> > > > > > > voltage
> > > > > > > > > > from an A176 CV
> > > > > > > > > > Source, and watching the LEDs on an
> > > A170, to
> > > > > > > > > > convince myself that the
> > > > > > > > > > A136 does indeed process the A, +A,
> > > and -A
> > > > > > > paths
> > > > > > > > > > independently, and
> > > > > > > > > > then sums the result. My A132
> > > suggestion was
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > wet.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If nothing else, I've learned a little
> > > bit
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > about the A136 today.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "Joe
> > > > > > > Buechler"
> > > > > > > > > > <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Timothy, the A136 User's manual says
> > > that
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > signal is split into
> > > > > > > > > > > three parts, but no signal flow
> > > diagram is
> > > > > > > > > > provided. (This is only
> > > > > > > > > > > the least of the problems with the
> > > A136
> > > > > > > > > > documentation). The
> > > > > > > > > > > signal diagram on the module front
> > > panel
> > > > > > > suggests
> > > > > > > > > > that the "A" gain
> > > > > > > > > > > is applied BEFORE the signal is fed
> > > to the
> > > > > > > > > > positive and negative
> > > > > > > > > > > clipping circuits. That's why I made
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > > suggestion that I did.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I could spend some time
> > > > > > > experimenting to
> > > > > > > > > > determine the
> > > > > > > > > > > actual signal path, but it's a
> > > tedious
> > > > > > > business
> > > > > > > > > > without a scope. I
> > > > > > > > > > > wish bakis would nudge Dieter to
> > > describe
> > > > > > > the A136
> > > > > > > > > > signal path, and
> > > > > > > > > > > correct all the errors in the User's
> > > Guide
> > > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > > > he's at it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "Tim
> > > > > > > > > > Stinchcombe"
> > > > > > > > > > <timothy@t...>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Joe,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If the positive/negative gain
> > > isn't an
> > > > > > > issue,
> > > > > > > > > > couldn't you just
> > > > > > > > > > > > route
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the audio thru an A132 VCA and
> > > get
> > > > > > > voltage
> > > > > > > > > > control of the gain
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > way?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Internally in the A-136 the signal
> > > is
> > >
> > === message truncated ===
> >
> >
> > =====
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Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-06 by selfoscillate

same with me, but a single meter would be enough for me.
if there is a need for two meters, we can buy two
modules. this would save space and money, if only
one meter is needed.
buffered outputs would be nice too (2 normal outs and one
inverted out).

the moving coil meter is accurate enough i think.
for getting really precise information, you'll need a
digital voltmeter anyway.
the dc/ac switch is a must. i would mainly use it dc-coupled
with -/+ scale, but ac-coupling is important too.

the combination of attenuator and vu-meter is not a bad thing,
but i would prefer two separate modules for these tasks.

best wishes

self oscillate



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Buechler" 
<buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> I'd like it to be a moving coil analog meter, and illuminated. I'd 
> probably use it most for monitoring control voltages, so I'd like 
it 
> to be DC-coupled, linear, with a positive/negative display. It 
would 
> be ideal if it could also be switched to an audio scale, AC-coupled 
> exponential with a positive-only DB scale.
> 
> As far as having two, maybe it could be a dual meter module.
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "klamb000" <lamb@c...> wrote:
> > Me too.  I'd like that's backlit.  I think one shoud have at 
least 
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> 2.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Kevin
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "selfoscillate" 
> > <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > hello bakis,
> > > 
> > > yes, you are right ;-)
> > > i would also prefer a doepfer-meter.
> > > 
> > > best wishes
> > > 
> > > self oscillate
> > > 
> > > p.s. by the way, how do you like the technosaurus?
> > >      does it really sound that good compared to other modulars?
> > >      i never gave it a try because i find it is too expensive.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> > > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > hi self-osc,
> > > > no!.the doepfer A1?? vu-meter should be the best
> > > > choise ;-)
> > > > bakis.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > the analogue solutions vu-meter isn't available
> > > > > anymore.
> > > > > the analogue systems vu-meter should be a better
> > > > > choice.
> > > > > 
> > > > > best wishes
> > > > > 
> > > > > self oscillate
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "unknown freak"
> > > > > <cgraef@n...> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Have you considered getting Analogue Solutions' VU
> > > > > module?  It 
> > > > > would blend
> > > > > > right into your rack.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Bakis Sirros
> > > > > [mailto:synth_freak_2000@y...]
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56 PM
> > > > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV
> > > > > question
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > hi list,
> > > > > > > isn't it sad to try to figure out what's going
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > inside the a100 by watching the a170 or a185 or
> > > > > > > a175...little leds???(btw,i do the
> > > > > same...).that's why
> > > > > > > i have always proposed that we need a vu-meter
> > > > > > > module.so,if you think you need one(like i
> > > > > do)vote in
> > > > > > > the vu-meter poll....
> > > > > > > bakis.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Timothy, you're not the only one who needs to
> > > > > > > > correct himself five
> > > > > > > > minutes after posting :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That's how long it took me, adjusting the
> > > > > voltage
> > > > > > > > from an A176 CV
> > > > > > > > Source, and watching the LEDs on an A170, to
> > > > > > > > convince myself that the
> > > > > > > > A136 does indeed process the A, +A, and -A
> > > > > paths
> > > > > > > > independently, and
> > > > > > > > then sums the result. My A132 suggestion was
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > > wet.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If nothing else, I've learned a little bit
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > > about the A136 today.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe
> > > > > Buechler"
> > > > > > > > <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Timothy, the A136 User's manual says that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > signal is split into
> > > > > > > > > three parts, but no signal flow diagram is
> > > > > > > > provided. (This is only
> > > > > > > > > the least of the problems with the A136
> > > > > > > > documentation). The
> > > > > > > > > signal diagram on the module front panel
> > > > > suggests
> > > > > > > > that the "A" gain
> > > > > > > > > is applied BEFORE the signal is fed to the
> > > > > > > > positive and negative
> > > > > > > > > clipping circuits. That's why I made the
> > > > > > > > suggestion that I did.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I suppose I could spend some time
> > > > > experimenting to
> > > > > > > > determine the
> > > > > > > > > actual signal path, but it's a tedious
> > > > > business
> > > > > > > > without a scope. I
> > > > > > > > > wish bakis would nudge Dieter to describe
> > > > > the A136
> > > > > > > > signal path, and
> > > > > > > > > correct all the errors in the User's Guide
> > > > > while
> > > > > > > > he's at it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tim
> > > > > > > > Stinchcombe"
> > > > > > > > <timothy@t...>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Joe,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If the positive/negative gain isn't an
> > > > > issue,
> > > > > > > > couldn't you just
> > > > > > > > > > route
> > > > > > > > > > > the audio thru an A132 VCA and get
> > > > > voltage
> > > > > > > > control of the gain
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > way?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Internally in the A-136 the signal is
> > > > > split into
> > > > > > > > three paths, and
> > > > > > > > > > the 'A' gain knob affects just one of
> > > > > these, and
> > > > > > > > it's the
> > > > > > > > > interaction
> > > > > > > > > > of this path with the other two that
> > > > > produces
> > > > > > > > all the interesting
> > > > > > > > > > waveshaping effects. I suspect that doing
> > > > > what
> > > > > > > > you suggest just
> > > > > > > > > > probably wouldn't be so interesting.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > =====
> > > > > > > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > > > > > > athens-greece
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Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-06 by selfoscillate

i don't think that dieter wants to develop two
different vu-meters. the "high-end" version will
still be cheap enough.

best wishes

self oscillate


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Lindholm" 
<andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> The more technological aspects of this I don't really get, but 
audio capable
> is also nice. But as I see it it makes for a nice "high-
end "version. I
> think that would make sense for doepfer to make a basic version and 
a high
> end version (with attenuator as always ;)
> 
> /Andreas
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "klamb000" <lamb@c...>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:17 PM
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question
> 
> 
> > Count me in again.  Joe's idea wins so far.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > hey joe,
> > > i want one like yours,too:-)
> > > bakis.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > > I'd like it to be a moving coil analog meter, and
> > > > illuminated. I'd
> > > > probably use it most for monitoring control
> > > > voltages, so I'd like it
> > > > to be DC-coupled, linear, with a positive/negative
> > > > display. It would
> > > > be ideal if it could also be switched to an audio
> > > > scale, AC-coupled
> > > > exponential with a positive-only DB scale.
> > > >
> > > > As far as having two, maybe it could be a dual meter
> > > > module.
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "klamb000"
> > > > <lamb@c...> wrote:
> > > > > Me too.  I'd like that's backlit.  I think one
> > > > shoud have at least
> > > > 2.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Kevin
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > "selfoscillate"
> > > > > <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hello bakis,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > yes, you are right ;-)
> > > > > > i would also prefer a doepfer-meter.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > best wishes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > self oscillate
> > > > > >
> > > > > > p.s. by the way, how do you like the
> > > > technosaurus?
> > > > > >      does it really sound that good compared to
> > > > other modulars?
> > > > > >      i never gave it a try because i find it is
> > > > too expensive.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis
> > > > Sirros
> > > > > > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > hi self-osc,
> > > > > > > no!.the doepfer A1?? vu-meter should be the
> > > > best
> > > > > > > choise ;-)
> > > > > > > bakis.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the analogue solutions vu-meter isn't
> > > > available
> > > > > > > > anymore.
> > > > > > > > the analogue systems vu-meter should be a
> > > > better
> > > > > > > > choice.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > best wishes
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > self oscillate
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > "unknown freak"
> > > > > > > > <cgraef@n...>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Have you considered getting Analogue
> > > > Solutions' VU
> > > > > > > > module?  It
> > > > > > > > would blend
> > > > > > > > > right into your rack.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: Bakis Sirros
> > > > > > > > [mailto:synth_freak_2000@y...]
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56 PM
> > > > > > > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV
> > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > hi list,
> > > > > > > > > > isn't it sad to try to figure out what's
> > > > going
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > inside the a100 by watching the a170 or
> > > > a185 or
> > > > > > > > > > a175...little leds???(btw,i do the
> > > > > > > > same...).that's why
> > > > > > > > > > i have always proposed that we need a
> > > > vu-meter
> > > > > > > > > > module.so,if you think you need one(like
> > > > i
> > > > > > > > do)vote in
> > > > > > > > > > the vu-meter poll....
> > > > > > > > > > bakis.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Timothy, you're not the only one who
> > > > needs to
> > > > > > > > > > > correct himself five
> > > > > > > > > > > minutes after posting :-)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > That's how long it took me, adjusting
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > voltage
> > > > > > > > > > > from an A176 CV
> > > > > > > > > > > Source, and watching the LEDs on an
> > > > A170, to
> > > > > > > > > > > convince myself that the
> > > > > > > > > > > A136 does indeed process the A, +A,
> > > > and -A
> > > > > > > > paths
> > > > > > > > > > > independently, and
> > > > > > > > > > > then sums the result. My A132
> > > > suggestion was
> > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > > wet.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If nothing else, I've learned a little
> > > > bit
> > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > about the A136 today.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > "Joe
> > > > > > > > Buechler"
> > > > > > > > > > > <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Timothy, the A136 User's manual says
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > signal is split into
> > > > > > > > > > > > three parts, but no signal flow
> > > > diagram is
> > > > > > > > > > > provided. (This is only
> > > > > > > > > > > > the least of the problems with the
> > > > A136
> > > > > > > > > > > documentation). The
> > > > > > > > > > > > signal diagram on the module front
> > > > panel
> > > > > > > > suggests
> > > > > > > > > > > that the "A" gain
> > > > > > > > > > > > is applied BEFORE the signal is fed
> > > > to the
> > > > > > > > > > > positive and negative
> > > > > > > > > > > > clipping circuits. That's why I made
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > suggestion that I did.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose I could spend some time
> > > > > > > > experimenting to
> > > > > > > > > > > determine the
> > > > > > > > > > > > actual signal path, but it's a
> > > > tedious
> > > > > > > > business
> > > > > > > > > > > without a scope. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > wish bakis would nudge Dieter to
> > > > describe
> > > > > > > > the A136
> > > > > > > > > > > signal path, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > correct all the errors in the User's
> > > > Guide
> > > > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > > > > he's at it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > "Tim
> > > > > > > > > > > Stinchcombe"
> > > > > > > > > > > <timothy@t...>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Joe,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the positive/negative gain
> > > > isn't an
> > > > > > > > issue,
> > > > > > > > > > > couldn't you just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > route
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the audio thru an A132 VCA and
> > > > get
> > > > > > > > voltage
> > > > > > > > > > > control of the gain
> > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > way?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Internally in the A-136 the signal
> > > > is
> > > >
> > > === message truncated ===
> > >
> > >
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Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-06 by klamb000

I second that.

Regards,
Kevin

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
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> agree...
> bakis.
> 
> 
> --- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > i don't think that dieter wants to develop two
> > different vu-meters. the "high-end" version will
> > still be cheap enough.
> > 
> > best wishes
> > 
> > self oscillate
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas
> > Lindholm" 
> > <andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> > > The more technological aspects of this I don't
> > really get, but 
> > audio capable
> > > is also nice. But as I see it it makes for a nice
> > "high-
> > end "version. I
> > > think that would make sense for doepfer to make a
> > basic version and 
> > a high
> > > end version (with attenuator as always ;)
> > > 
> > > /Andreas
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "klamb000" <lamb@c...>
> > > To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:17 PM
> > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Count me in again.  Joe's idea wins so far.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Kevin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis
> > Sirros
> > > > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > > hey joe,
> > > > > i want one like yours,too:-)
> > > > > bakis.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > > > > I'd like it to be a moving coil analog
> > meter, and
> > > > > > illuminated. I'd
> > > > > > probably use it most for monitoring control
> > > > > > voltages, so I'd like it
> > > > > > to be DC-coupled, linear, with a
> > positive/negative
> > > > > > display. It would
> > > > > > be ideal if it could also be switched to an
> > audio
> > > > > > scale, AC-coupled
> > > > > > exponential with a positive-only DB scale.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As far as having two, maybe it could be a
> > dual meter
> > > > > > module.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > "klamb000"
> > > > > > <lamb@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Me too.  I'd like that's backlit.  I think
> > one
> > > > > > shoud have at least
> > > > > > 2.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Kevin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > "selfoscillate"
> > > > > > > <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > hello bakis,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > yes, you are right ;-)
> > > > > > > > i would also prefer a doepfer-meter.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > best wishes
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > self oscillate
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > p.s. by the way, how do you like the
> > > > > > technosaurus?
> > > > > > > >      does it really sound that good
> > compared to
> > > > > > other modulars?
> > > > > > > >      i never gave it a try because i
> > find it is
> > > > > > too expensive.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > Bakis
> > > > > > Sirros
> > > > > > > > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > hi self-osc,
> > > > > > > > > no!.the doepfer A1?? vu-meter should
> > be the
> > > > > > best
> > > > > > > > > choise ;-)
> > > > > > > > > bakis.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- selfoscillate
> > <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > the analogue solutions vu-meter
> > isn't
> > > > > > available
> > > > > > > > > > anymore.
> > > > > > > > > > the analogue systems vu-meter should
> > be a
> > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > > choice.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > best wishes
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > self oscillate
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > "unknown freak"
> > > > > > > > > > <cgraef@n...>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Have you considered getting
> > Analogue
> > > > > > Solutions' VU
> > > > > > > > > > module?  It
> > > > > > > > > > would blend
> > > > > > > > > > > right into your rack.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Bakis Sirros
> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:synth_freak_2000@y...]
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56
> > PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re:
> > A-136 CV
> > > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > hi list,
> > > > > > > > > > > > isn't it sad to try to figure
> > out what's
> > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > inside the a100 by watching the
> > a170 or
> > > > > > a185 or
> > > > > > > > > > > > a175...little leds???(btw,i do
> > the
> > > > > > > > > > same...).that's why
> > > > > > > > > > > > i have always proposed that we
> > need a
> > > > > > vu-meter
> > > > > > > > > > > > module.so,if you think you need
> > one(like
> > > > > > i
> > > > > > > > > > do)vote in
> > > > > > > > > > > > the vu-meter poll....
> > > > > > > > > > > > bakis.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- Joe Buechler
> > <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Timothy, you're not the only
> > one who
> > > > > > needs to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > correct himself five
> > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes after posting :-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > That's how long it took me,
> > adjusting
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > voltage
> > > > > > > > > > > > > from an A176 CV
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Source, and watching the LEDs
> > on an
> > > > > > A170, to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > convince myself that the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > A136 does indeed process the
> > A, +A,
> > > > > > and -A
> > > > > > > > > > paths
> > > > > > > > > > > > > independently, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > then sums the result. My A132
> > > > > > suggestion was
> > > > > > > > > > all
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
> 
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-06 by Bakis Sirros

agree...
bakis.


--- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> i don't think that dieter wants to develop two
> different vu-meters. the "high-end" version will
> still be cheap enough.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> self oscillate
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas
> Lindholm" 
> <andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> > The more technological aspects of this I don't
> really get, but 
> audio capable
> > is also nice. But as I see it it makes for a nice
> "high-
> end "version. I
> > think that would make sense for doepfer to make a
> basic version and 
> a high
> > end version (with attenuator as always ;)
> > 
> > /Andreas
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "klamb000" <lamb@c...>
> > To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:17 PM
> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question
> > 
> > 
> > > Count me in again.  Joe's idea wins so far.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis
> Sirros
> > > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > hey joe,
> > > > i want one like yours,too:-)
> > > > bakis.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > > > I'd like it to be a moving coil analog
> meter, and
> > > > > illuminated. I'd
> > > > > probably use it most for monitoring control
> > > > > voltages, so I'd like it
> > > > > to be DC-coupled, linear, with a
> positive/negative
> > > > > display. It would
> > > > > be ideal if it could also be switched to an
> audio
> > > > > scale, AC-coupled
> > > > > exponential with a positive-only DB scale.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as having two, maybe it could be a
> dual meter
> > > > > module.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> "klamb000"
> > > > > <lamb@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > Me too.  I'd like that's backlit.  I think
> one
> > > > > shoud have at least
> > > > > 2.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Kevin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > "selfoscillate"
> > > > > > <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > hello bakis,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > yes, you are right ;-)
> > > > > > > i would also prefer a doepfer-meter.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > best wishes
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > self oscillate
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > p.s. by the way, how do you like the
> > > > > technosaurus?
> > > > > > >      does it really sound that good
> compared to
> > > > > other modulars?
> > > > > > >      i never gave it a try because i
> find it is
> > > > > too expensive.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> Bakis
> > > > > Sirros
> > > > > > > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > hi self-osc,
> > > > > > > > no!.the doepfer A1?? vu-meter should
> be the
> > > > > best
> > > > > > > > choise ;-)
> > > > > > > > bakis.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- selfoscillate
> <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the analogue solutions vu-meter
> isn't
> > > > > available
> > > > > > > > > anymore.
> > > > > > > > > the analogue systems vu-meter should
> be a
> > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > choice.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > best wishes
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > self oscillate
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > "unknown freak"
> > > > > > > > > <cgraef@n...>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Have you considered getting
> Analogue
> > > > > Solutions' VU
> > > > > > > > > module?  It
> > > > > > > > > would blend
> > > > > > > > > > right into your rack.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: Bakis Sirros
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:synth_freak_2000@y...]
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56
> PM
> > > > > > > > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re:
> A-136 CV
> > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > hi list,
> > > > > > > > > > > isn't it sad to try to figure
> out what's
> > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > inside the a100 by watching the
> a170 or
> > > > > a185 or
> > > > > > > > > > > a175...little leds???(btw,i do
> the
> > > > > > > > > same...).that's why
> > > > > > > > > > > i have always proposed that we
> need a
> > > > > vu-meter
> > > > > > > > > > > module.so,if you think you need
> one(like
> > > > > i
> > > > > > > > > do)vote in
> > > > > > > > > > > the vu-meter poll....
> > > > > > > > > > > bakis.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- Joe Buechler
> <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Timothy, you're not the only
> one who
> > > > > needs to
> > > > > > > > > > > > correct himself five
> > > > > > > > > > > > minutes after posting :-)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > That's how long it took me,
> adjusting
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > voltage
> > > > > > > > > > > > from an A176 CV
> > > > > > > > > > > > Source, and watching the LEDs
> on an
> > > > > A170, to
> > > > > > > > > > > > convince myself that the
> > > > > > > > > > > > A136 does indeed process the
> A, +A,
> > > > > and -A
> > > > > > > > > paths
> > > > > > > > > > > > independently, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > then sums the result. My A132
> > > > > suggestion was
> > > > > > > > > all
> 
=== message truncated ===


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Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-06 by Joe Buechler

Hi se

> same with me, but a single meter would be enough for me.
> if there is a need for two meters, we can buy two
> modules. this would save space and money, if only
> one meter is needed.

Agree, but it might be possible to get two meters into an 8HP module 
at low cost. If so it would be fine that way, no?

> buffered outputs would be nice too (2 normal outs and one
> inverted out).

Definitely mini-multiple jacks like the voltage invertor at a minimum, 
but buffered would be much nicer.
> 
> the moving coil meter is accurate enough i think.

Hate to admit to this, but I think it would also look cooler :-)

> the dc/ac switch is a must. i would mainly use it dc-coupled
> with -/+ scale, but ac-coupling is important too.

Absolutely agree
 
> the combination of attenuator and vu-meter is not a bad thing,
> but i would prefer two separate modules for these tasks.

Agree again. You can always patch an attenuator to the meter, but you 
can't "un-patch" a combination module if you need the two functions to 
operate independently of each other.

Regards,

Joe

attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-06 by Andreas Lindholm

I quite honestly doesn't have a clue about how much more a VU meter with
attunuators would cost compared to one without, but it gotta cost more
simple cause it involves a few jacks and pots. look at the 180 which basicly
is nothing.

I totally agree with you lot that separate modules are better for
flexibility, but the way I see it the VUmeter display can't be 2 units wide
but rather something like 8 and I can't see how it should fill up the space
below and that is where I think it would be good to add the attunuator part.
It also makes sense economically cause rack-space is also a cost to consider
in a A100.

So I am all for separates if it doesn't mean a lot of empty blank areas in
the modules unused.


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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question


> Hi se
>
> > same with me, but a single meter would be enough for me.
> > if there is a need for two meters, we can buy two
> > modules. this would save space and money, if only
> > one meter is needed.
>
> Agree, but it might be possible to get two meters into an 8HP module
> at low cost. If so it would be fine that way, no?
>
> > buffered outputs would be nice too (2 normal outs and one
> > inverted out).
>
> Definitely mini-multiple jacks like the voltage invertor at a minimum,
> but buffered would be much nicer.
> >
> > the moving coil meter is accurate enough i think.
>
> Hate to admit to this, but I think it would also look cooler :-)
>
> > the dc/ac switch is a must. i would mainly use it dc-coupled
> > with -/+ scale, but ac-coupling is important too.
>
> Absolutely agree
>
> > the combination of attenuator and vu-meter is not a bad thing,
> > but i would prefer two separate modules for these tasks.
>
> Agree again. You can always patch an attenuator to the meter, but you
> can't "un-patch" a combination module if you need the two functions to
> operate independently of each other.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe
>
>
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-06 by Andreas Lindholm

Now I did that.. damn hit the button to fast thing.

To make it easier to understand what I am saying look at this
http://f3.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/ANy3Pgd9wYp_mJWdAvRRhZHn64_edIXVdwgMMXstl12r70E7WJfUD17YsmfoKQurCy5jDinSYNLPz-19/a137v2.gif

and picture it with any kind of VU meter on top. Without the bottom pots and
stuff wouldn't it be a bit empty? That's all, but perhaps there are things
to but in that I have missed(but they can perhaps be crammed in there too ;)





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andreas Lindholm" <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:31 PM
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] attenuators and vu-meters


> I quite honestly doesn't have a clue about how much more a VU meter with
> attunuators would cost compared to one without, but it gotta cost more
> simple cause it involves a few jacks and pots. look at the 180 which
basicly
> is nothing.
>
> I totally agree with you lot that separate modules are better for
> flexibility, but the way I see it the VUmeter display can't be 2 units
wide
> but rather something like 8 and I can't see how it should fill up the
space
> below and that is where I think it would be good to add the attunuator
part.
> It also makes sense economically cause rack-space is also a cost to
consider
> in a A100.
>
> So I am all for separates if it doesn't mean a lot of empty blank areas in
> the modules unused.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Buechler" <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:05 PM
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question
>
>
> > Hi se
> >
> > > same with me, but a single meter would be enough for me.
> > > if there is a need for two meters, we can buy two
> > > modules. this would save space and money, if only
> > > one meter is needed.
> >
> > Agree, but it might be possible to get two meters into an 8HP module
> > at low cost. If so it would be fine that way, no?
> >
> > > buffered outputs would be nice too (2 normal outs and one
> > > inverted out).
> >
> > Definitely mini-multiple jacks like the voltage invertor at a minimum,
> > but buffered would be much nicer.
> > >
> > > the moving coil meter is accurate enough i think.
> >
> > Hate to admit to this, but I think it would also look cooler :-)
> >
> > > the dc/ac switch is a must. i would mainly use it dc-coupled
> > > with -/+ scale, but ac-coupling is important too.
> >
> > Absolutely agree
> >
> > > the combination of attenuator and vu-meter is not a bad thing,
> > > but i would prefer two separate modules for these tasks.
> >
> > Agree again. You can always patch an attenuator to the meter, but you
> > can't "un-patch" a combination module if you need the two functions to
> > operate independently of each other.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-06 by Florian Anwander

Andreas 

one question: why do you ask for a quite expensive digital VU-Meter module,
when each electronic store sells a multi-meter much(!!) cheaper? And btw,
the multi meter is a very basic tool that should be owned by electronic
musician.

Florian

Re: [Doepfer_a100] attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-06 by Andreas Lindholm

Here you go Florian... my reasons for a digital display.

Simply because I don't manufacture devices - I use them, so I don't know if
a simple 8digit display is more expenisve than a analog display. I own a
mulitmeter but it doesn't handle minijacks and it is very fuzzy to measure
thing with it. You have to patch and unpatch and then fiddle around to find
the tip to measure against.

Also I feel a bit like Bakis does(mostly). If it can be made by Doepfer and
is useful I rather have a Doepfer module that a mix of stuff that doesn't
fit into the rack. It is more useful, looks better and it's Doepfer =)

I prefer digital displays cause then 0,52 is 0,52 and not somewhere between
to lines. But that is a personal taste that some may share and others not.
Anyway a module with analog or digital display beat any standard multimeter
to my needs.

It it will be much cheaper or not remains to be seen. Doepfer hasn't given
us a ballpark figure yet. I will wait for that before I judge.

Further more if it was purely about economics I would sell all my analog
gear and buy a cheap second hand novation or waldorf VA-synth. Sometimes we
just like things to be modules, don't we? =)

Sincerely
/Andreas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Florian Anwander" <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] attenuators and vu-meters


> Andreas
>
> one question: why do you ask for a quite expensive digital VU-Meter
module,
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> when each electronic store sells a multi-meter much(!!) cheaper? And btw,
> the multi meter is a very basic tool that should be owned by electronic
> musician.
>
> Florian
>
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Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-07 by selfoscillate

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Buechler" 
<buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> Hi se
> 
> > same with me, but a single meter would be enough for me.
> > if there is a need for two meters, we can buy two
> > modules. this would save space and money, if only
> > one meter is needed.
> 
> Agree, but it might be possible to get two meters into an 8HP 
module 
> at low cost. If so it would be fine that way, no?

hello joe,

yes right, that would be nice.
but there this is another interesting question. what size should
the meters have? what is the best compromise regarding
space requirement and readability? i think maybe 12hp is better than 
8hp, but i'm not sure. any suggestions?

best wishes

self oscillate

Re: attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-07 by selfoscillate

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Lindholm" 
<andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> Here you go Florian... my reasons for a digital display.
> 
> Simply because I don't manufacture devices - I use them, so I don't 
know if
> a simple 8digit display is more expenisve than a analog display. I 
own a
> mulitmeter but it doesn't handle minijacks and it is very fuzzy to 
measure
> thing with it. You have to patch and unpatch and then fiddle around 
to find
> the tip to measure against.

hello andreas,

regarding the multimeter measurement, i simply soldered a
jack connector to my multimeter-cable. now i can use it
like a normal module. this comes in very handy and i use
my multimeter all the time. i thought of making a diy-module
out of it, but my multimeter is a bit too big for the doepfer rack.

best wishes

self oscillate

Re: attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-07 by selfoscillate

> If I were an a**hole, I'd go to Conrad, buy the multimeter, get it 
out of
> the case, switch the selector to 0-20V, mount it behind a DOEPFER-
like
> front plate, connect the connectors with a jack in the frontplate 
and sell
> it for 200EUR (hey I am not Doepfer, for me its more costy to 
produce such
> a module)...
> 
> Florian

hello florian,

well you are not an a**hole, so you won't sell it to others.
but i can't help it, it is a pretty nice diy-idea and
very easy to do. my multimeter is tied to a rack with some
cable ties, it looks so ugly.

best wishes

self oscillate

Re: [Doepfer_a100] attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-07 by Florian Anwander

Hi Andreas 

> Here you go Florian... my reasons for a digital display.
> a simple 8digit display is more expenisve than a analog display. I own a
You misunderstood me: I asked why you want a meter at all. I did not ask
for analog or digital. To my humble opinion: if Dieter really would
construct and build the module on his own, it would cost around 150EUR
(this is my guess; as far as I know even the production, the transport and
the storing of a blind frontplate with an unpopulated pcb attached costs
over 25 EUR). If I go to the next shop, I will get 7 (in words: seven)
multimeters of the same quality.

Of course I want a digital meter, but why the heck shall I spend 150 Bucks
when I can get it for 20?

If I were an a**hole, I'd go to Conrad, buy the multimeter, get it out of
the case, switch the selector to 0-20V, mount it behind a DOEPFER-like
front plate, connect the connectors with a jack in the frontplate and sell
it for 200EUR (hey I am not Doepfer, for me its more costy to produce such
a module)...

Florian

Re: attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-07 by Joe Buechler

To me, the two main reasons for a meter module vs a multimeter (I own 
two multimeters).

The first is to be able to have bipolar scale. Remember, this whole 
discussion started when I mentioned using my A170 as a "meter module", 
which is useful because you can see when a CV goes positive and 
negative. The problem is, the A170 doesn't provide any calibrated 
voltage value information, just relative brightness of the LEDs. You 
can see the zero crossing precisely, but everything else is 
approximate.

To use the multimeter for the same purpose, I have to apply an offset 
voltage to the CV, so that 0 volts reads as +6V on my meter. That uses 
up two extra modules - a CV source and a linear mixer - and then I 
have to mentally translate the meter scale reading, pretending that 0V 
to 12V is really -6V to +6V. That range isn't really adequate for the 
A100 CVs either. The alternative is to switch to the 50V scale, but of 
course this range is too large to get a precise reading.

Even to build this as a DIY module, I'd have to buy a panel-mount 
meter, design and print a custom card with a -10V to +10V meter scale 
on it (there's no stock meters with this kind of scale that I've ever 
seen), and design and build am attenuator/offset circuit. Possible, 
but a big stretch given my capabilities.

Florian's argument about mounting a multimeter in a panel doesn't 
address this polarity issue. A Doepfer meter module could be 
specifically designed to be useful with an A100 and other modular 
systems.

The second arguement, let's admit it, is appearance. Doepfer has given 
us modules to re-create a Moog modular, a Theremin, a vocoder, a 
Trautonium, and many other classic electronic instruments. This is a 
principal feature of the A100 system. Many people want A100 modules to 
recreate a Buchla system. That's why there's so much interest in the 
SOU, and that's why there's so much interest in a meter module. We 
want it to look something like a Buchla.

Joe

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
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> hi florian,
> it's true that the analogue systems vu-meter costs
> about 150 euros(99 GBP).this module,also, has a
> built-in inverter.but i think that doepfer might make
> one that costs less(100 euros?).ok,i know that you can
> buy one in the shops for 20 euros,but,again,it won't
> be a beautiful part of the doepfer a100.so,that's why
> i want a doepfer one.it's easy to use,ready made with
> mini-jacks and looks like the rest of my a100...
> my opinion,anyway...
> bakis.
> 
> 
> 
> --- Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@c...>
> wrote:
> > Hi Andreas 
> > 
> > > Here you go Florian... my reasons for a digital
> > display.
> > > a simple 8digit display is more expenisve than a
> > analog display. I own a
> > You misunderstood me: I asked why you want a meter
> > at all. I did not ask
> > for analog or digital. To my humble opinion: if
> > Dieter really would
> > construct and build the module on his own, it would
> > cost around 150EUR
> > (this is my guess; as far as I know even the
> > production, the transport and
> > the storing of a blind frontplate with an
> > unpopulated pcb attached costs
> > over 25 EUR). If I go to the next shop, I will get 7
> > (in words: seven)
> > multimeters of the same quality.
> > 
> > Of course I want a digital meter, but why the heck
> > shall I spend 150 Bucks
> > when I can get it for 20?
> > 
> > If I were an a**hole, I'd go to Conrad, buy the
> > multimeter, get it out of
> > the case, switch the selector to 0-20V, mount it
> > behind a DOEPFER-like
> > front plate, connect the connectors with a jack in
> > the frontplate and sell
> > it for 200EUR (hey I am not Doepfer, for me its more
> > costy to produce such
> > a module)...
> > 
> > Florian
> > 
> 
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Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-07 by Joe Buechler

> but there this is another interesting question. what size should
> the meters have? what is the best compromise regarding
> space requirement and readability? i think maybe 12hp is better than 
> 8hp, but i'm not sure. any suggestions?

The VU meters on my Behringer EQ would fit in an 8HP module, two of 
them over-and-under. They're very readable, very attractive 
circular meters with a large black bevel or cowl, and I'm sure they're 
inexpensive (cheap!) if they're in a Behringer module. 

There must be many stock panel-mount meters available that would be 
similar in size and cost.

Not being an engineer, I don't know if this would provide adequate 
space in the back of the module for a PCB, but is seems do-able to me.

Joe

Re: attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-07 by selfoscillate

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Buechler" 
<buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> To me, the two main reasons for a meter module vs a multimeter (I 
own 
> two multimeters).
> 
> The first is to be able to have bipolar scale. Remember, this whole 
> discussion started when I mentioned using my A170 as a "meter 
module", 
> which is useful because you can see when a CV goes positive and 
> negative. The problem is, the A170 doesn't provide any calibrated 
> voltage value information, just relative brightness of the LEDs. 
You 
> can see the zero crossing precisely, but everything else is 
> approximate.
> 
> To use the multimeter for the same purpose, I have to apply an 
offset 
> voltage to the CV, so that 0 volts reads as +6V on my meter. That 
uses 
> up two extra modules - a CV source and a linear mixer - and then I 
> have to mentally translate the meter scale reading, pretending that 
0V 
> to 12V is really -6V to +6V. That range isn't really adequate for 
the 
> A100 CVs either. The alternative is to switch to the 50V scale, but 
of 
> course this range is too large to get a precise reading.

hello joe,

maybe i don't get it, but my multimeter reads negative values.

best wishes

ingo (my real name, easier than self oscillate, i think ;-)

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-07 by Bakis Sirros

hi selfosc,
i think 12-18hp would be nice!in order to fit a decent
sizd vu-meter you need 12hp for sure...
bakis.


--- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Buechler" 
> <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > Hi se
> > 
> > > same with me, but a single meter would be enough
> for me.
> > > if there is a need for two meters, we can buy
> two
> > > modules. this would save space and money, if
> only
> > > one meter is needed.
> > 
> > Agree, but it might be possible to get two meters
> into an 8HP 
> module 
> > at low cost. If so it would be fine that way, no?
> 
> hello joe,
> 
> yes right, that would be nice.
> but there this is another interesting question. what
> size should
> the meters have? what is the best compromise
> regarding
> space requirement and readability? i think maybe
> 12hp is better than 
> 8hp, but i'm not sure. any suggestions?
> 
> best wishes
> 
> self oscillate
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [Doepfer_a100] attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-07 by Bakis Sirros

hi florian,
it's true that the analogue systems vu-meter costs
about 150 euros(99 GBP).this module,also, has a
built-in inverter.but i think that doepfer might make
one that costs less(100 euros?).ok,i know that you can
buy one in the shops for 20 euros,but,again,it won't
be a beautiful part of the doepfer a100.so,that's why
i want a doepfer one.it's easy to use,ready made with
mini-jacks and looks like the rest of my a100...
my opinion,anyway...
bakis.



--- Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
wrote:
> Hi Andreas 
> 
> > Here you go Florian... my reasons for a digital
> display.
> > a simple 8digit display is more expenisve than a
> analog display. I own a
> You misunderstood me: I asked why you want a meter
> at all. I did not ask
> for analog or digital. To my humble opinion: if
> Dieter really would
> construct and build the module on his own, it would
> cost around 150EUR
> (this is my guess; as far as I know even the
> production, the transport and
> the storing of a blind frontplate with an
> unpopulated pcb attached costs
> over 25 EUR). If I go to the next shop, I will get 7
> (in words: seven)
> multimeters of the same quality.
> 
> Of course I want a digital meter, but why the heck
> shall I spend 150 Bucks
> when I can get it for 20?
> 
> If I were an a**hole, I'd go to Conrad, buy the
> multimeter, get it out of
> the case, switch the selector to 0-20V, mount it
> behind a DOEPFER-like
> front plate, connect the connectors with a jack in
> the frontplate and sell
> it for 200EUR (hey I am not Doepfer, for me its more
> costy to produce such
> a module)...
> 
> Florian
> 


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Re: attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-07 by Joe Buechler

Hi ingo
 
> maybe i don't get it, but my multimeter reads negative values.

Neither of mine do. What manufacturer, model, source?

Joe

Re: attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-07 by klamb000

My multimeter is digital, and hence, reads positive and negative 
voltages quite happily.

That said, I'd rather have a meter module from Doepfer than one of my 
own DIY hacks.  What I'd like is a 12HP module with an analog VU 
style meter (prerefably backlit), and a couple of passive 
attenuators.  The module would be fairly inexpensive and easy to 
manufacture, and would probably pay for its own development in no 
time.

Regards,
Kevin


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Buechler" 
<buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
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> Hi ingo
>  
> > maybe i don't get it, but my multimeter reads negative values.
> 
> Neither of mine do. What manufacturer, model, source?
> 
> Joe

Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-07 by Tim Stinchcombe

Hi All,
I'll throw in my thoughts on this one:

On the size issue, yes, small VU meters are available, but for 
reading a DC level, I would suggest a sizeable centre-zero meter 
movement would be better. VU meters generally monitor a rapidly 
changing level , and all you want/need from them is to make sure the 
level is not too big/small, and thus accuracy is not really a 
problem. On the other hand, trying to distinguish between 3.5V or 4V 
on something a few centimeters across isn't going to be easy, so 
going with a small meter will limit its accuracy and (I would say) 
appeal and usefulness.

I have made a meter for my A-100: it occupies 20hp (gulp!); the meter 
face itself is approx 8cm across; it is centre-zeroed, calibrated 100-
50-0-50-100 (with subdivisions); I made it range switchable +/-10V, 
+/-5V, +/-1V and also +/-10 semitones (+/-.833V); it has just a 
single 'in' socket. The meter movement is made by Sifam, and costs 
around 50 euro (a guess), i.e. the meter itself isn't cheap (go to 
www.rswww.com and search for 196-8418). I have to say that since I 
got the scope, I don't use it much, plus the fact I didn't rig it to 
be accurate enough (something I plan to change with an op amp or 
two), but it looks OK, and would look even better if it blended in 
properly, i.e. had a Doepfer faceplate!

And if you want the VU meters as well, it wouldn't be impossible to 
find the space to stick a couple of LED bargraph displays in there 
and two more jacks to have twin VU LED meters as well. So for a 
price, you could have the analogue movement so that you can watch 
your CV swings (both positive and negative without having to switch 
polarity) whilst you ponder what on earth your A-136 (etc. replace 
with your favourite mystery module) is doing, and have an indication 
on the sound level of the audio path too.

Well, thats my shot! Regards,

Tim


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
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> i would prefer a decent sized vu-meter!something like
> the AS vu-meter size.this would need 12-14hp!
> bakis.
> 
> 
> --- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > but there this is another interesting question.
> > what size should
> > > the meters have? what is the best compromise
> > regarding
> > > space requirement and readability? i think maybe
> > 12hp is better than 
> > > 8hp, but i'm not sure. any suggestions?
> > 
> > The VU meters on my Behringer EQ would fit in an 8HP
> > module, two of 
> > them over-and-under. They're very readable, very
> > attractive 
> > circular meters with a large black bevel or cowl,
> > and I'm sure they're 
> > inexpensive (cheap!) if they're in a Behringer
> > module. 
> > 
> > There must be many stock panel-mount meters
> > available that would be 
> > similar in size and cost.
> > 
> > Not being an engineer, I don't know if this would
> > provide adequate 
> > space in the back of the module for a PCB, but is
> > seems do-able to me.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-07 by Bakis Sirros

yes!a meter optimized for -10 to+10 volts with the
relevant printed scale and mini-jack inputs would be
the ideal doepfer modules vu-meter!and it will look
great on my a100!
bakis.


--- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> To me, the two main reasons for a meter module vs a
> multimeter (I own 
> two multimeters).
> 
> The first is to be able to have bipolar scale.
> Remember, this whole 
> discussion started when I mentioned using my A170 as
> a "meter module", 
> which is useful because you can see when a CV goes
> positive and 
> negative. The problem is, the A170 doesn't provide
> any calibrated 
> voltage value information, just relative brightness
> of the LEDs. You 
> can see the zero crossing precisely, but everything
> else is 
> approximate.
> 
> To use the multimeter for the same purpose, I have
> to apply an offset 
> voltage to the CV, so that 0 volts reads as +6V on
> my meter. That uses 
> up two extra modules - a CV source and a linear
> mixer - and then I 
> have to mentally translate the meter scale reading,
> pretending that 0V 
> to 12V is really -6V to +6V. That range isn't really
> adequate for the 
> A100 CVs either. The alternative is to switch to the
> 50V scale, but of 
> course this range is too large to get a precise
> reading.
> 
> Even to build this as a DIY module, I'd have to buy
> a panel-mount 
> meter, design and print a custom card with a -10V to
> +10V meter scale 
> on it (there's no stock meters with this kind of
> scale that I've ever 
> seen), and design and build am attenuator/offset
> circuit. Possible, 
> but a big stretch given my capabilities.
> 
> Florian's argument about mounting a multimeter in a
> panel doesn't 
> address this polarity issue. A Doepfer meter module
> could be 
> specifically designed to be useful with an A100 and
> other modular 
> systems.
> 
> The second arguement, let's admit it, is appearance.
> Doepfer has given 
> us modules to re-create a Moog modular, a Theremin,
> a vocoder, a 
> Trautonium, and many other classic electronic
> instruments. This is a 
> principal feature of the A100 system. Many people
> want A100 modules to 
> recreate a Buchla system. That's why there's so much
> interest in the 
> SOU, and that's why there's so much interest in a
> meter module. We 
> want it to look something like a Buchla.
> 
> Joe
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > hi florian,
> > it's true that the analogue systems vu-meter costs
> > about 150 euros(99 GBP).this module,also, has a
> > built-in inverter.but i think that doepfer might
> make
> > one that costs less(100 euros?).ok,i know that you
> can
> > buy one in the shops for 20 euros,but,again,it
> won't
> > be a beautiful part of the doepfer a100.so,that's
> why
> > i want a doepfer one.it's easy to use,ready made
> with
> > mini-jacks and looks like the rest of my a100...
> > my opinion,anyway...
> > bakis.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@c...>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Andreas 
> > > 
> > > > Here you go Florian... my reasons for a
> digital
> > > display.
> > > > a simple 8digit display is more expenisve than
> a
> > > analog display. I own a
> > > You misunderstood me: I asked why you want a
> meter
> > > at all. I did not ask
> > > for analog or digital. To my humble opinion: if
> > > Dieter really would
> > > construct and build the module on his own, it
> would
> > > cost around 150EUR
> > > (this is my guess; as far as I know even the
> > > production, the transport and
> > > the storing of a blind frontplate with an
> > > unpopulated pcb attached costs
> > > over 25 EUR). If I go to the next shop, I will
> get 7
> > > (in words: seven)
> > > multimeters of the same quality.
> > > 
> > > Of course I want a digital meter, but why the
> heck
> > > shall I spend 150 Bucks
> > > when I can get it for 20?
> > > 
> > > If I were an a**hole, I'd go to Conrad, buy the
> > > multimeter, get it out of
> > > the case, switch the selector to 0-20V, mount it
> > > behind a DOEPFER-like
> > > front plate, connect the connectors with a jack
> in
> > > the frontplate and sell
> > > it for 200EUR (hey I am not Doepfer, for me its
> more
> > > costy to produce such
> > > a module)...
> > > 
> > > Florian
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-07 by Bakis Sirros

i would prefer a decent sized vu-meter!something like
the AS vu-meter size.this would need 12-14hp!
bakis.


--- Joe Buechler <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> > but there this is another interesting question.
> what size should
> > the meters have? what is the best compromise
> regarding
> > space requirement and readability? i think maybe
> 12hp is better than 
> > 8hp, but i'm not sure. any suggestions?
> 
> The VU meters on my Behringer EQ would fit in an 8HP
> module, two of 
> them over-and-under. They're very readable, very
> attractive 
> circular meters with a large black bevel or cowl,
> and I'm sure they're 
> inexpensive (cheap!) if they're in a Behringer
> module. 
> 
> There must be many stock panel-mount meters
> available that would be 
> similar in size and cost.
> 
> Not being an engineer, I don't know if this would
> provide adequate 
> space in the back of the module for a PCB, but is
> seems do-able to me.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 


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Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-07 by ringmod45

Hi Tim, 

Great ideas and function set, I really like the dual bar graph idea. 
You could put the bargraphs on each side of the analogue meter to 
differenciate between the two.

RM



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Stinchcombe" <timothy@t...> 
wrote:
> I have made a meter for my A-100: it occupies 20hp (gulp!); the 
meter 
> face itself is approx 8cm across; it is centre-zeroed, calibrated 
100-
> 50-0-50-100 (with subdivisions); I made it range switchable +/-10V, 
> +/-5V, +/-1V and also +/-10 semitones (+/-.833V); it has just a 
> single 'in' socket. The meter movement is made by Sifam, and costs 
> around 50 euro (a guess), i.e. the meter itself isn't cheap (go to 
> www.rswww.com and search for 196-8418). I have to say that since I 
> got the scope, I don't use it much, plus the fact I didn't rig it 
to 
> be accurate enough (something I plan to change with an op amp or 
> two), but it looks OK, and would look even better if it blended in 
> properly, i.e. had a Doepfer faceplate!
> 
> And if you want the VU meters as well, it wouldn't be impossible to 
> find the space to stick a couple of LED bargraph displays in there 
> and two more jacks to have twin VU LED meters as well. So for a 
> price, you could have the analogue movement so that you can watch 
> your CV swings (both positive and negative without having to switch 
> polarity) whilst you ponder what on earth your A-136 (etc. replace 
> with your favourite mystery module) is doing, and have an 
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> on the sound level of the audio path too.
> 
> Well, thats my shot! Regards,
> 
> Tim
>

Re: attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-08 by selfoscillate

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Buechler" 
<buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> Hi ingo
>  
> > maybe i don't get it, but my multimeter reads negative values.
> 
> Neither of mine do. What manufacturer, model, source?
> 
> Joe

hello joe,

it's a pretty cheap digital one. i don't remember the company name
or model, have to take a look at it first.
i'll give you the info tomorrow.
maybe you have an analogue multimeter? the digital one's
should have no problem with nevative voltages, no matter
what manufacturer/model.

best wishes

ingo

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-08 by Florian Anwander

Hi Joe 

> The first is to be able to have bipolar scale. 
Every 3 1/2 digit Multimeter does this: The "half" digit is for displaying
the polarity (+/-)

> We want it to look something like a Buchla.
If this is someones need, let him be that way; taste is out of discussion.

Florian

Re: attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-08 by Joe Buechler

Hi Florian

> Every 3 1/2 digit Multimeter does this: The "half" digit is for 
> displaying the polarity (+/-)

Displaying my ignorance once again! :-)

On the other hand, my brain just isn't wired correctly for 
interpreting digital information. I need to see a geometrical 
presentation, I need to see which direction it's changing, and how 
fast it's changing.

I won't mention the appearance issue again if it bothers you, but I 
suspect that it's a big factor creating interest in a meter module.

As far as the size of the meter, I admit that I have a selfish reason 
for preferring a small one: it would be easier for me to swap out an 
8HP module to make room for it. But if the meter module appears, I'll 
accomodate it somehow, no matter if it's larger than that.

Joe

Looks matter Re: attenuators and vu-meters

2003-05-08 by Andreas Lindholm

Design and esthetics are for sure a matter of taste, but not irrelevant. I
prefer digital, but I can go with another display if it works and shows me
what is going on. The LED-bars isn't a bad idea since it reminds us of out
mixers, but terribly accurate it is not. I would like to know if the midi-cv
puts out a clean one volt per octave or 1.07 or anything else that makes
things go out of tune and such.

A do it youself ugly cheap mutlimetermod is not what I want in my nice A100
setup. But to each his own;)


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Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:59 PM
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: attenuators and vu-meters


> Hi Florian
>
> > Every 3 1/2 digit Multimeter does this: The "half" digit is for
> > displaying the polarity (+/-)
>
> Displaying my ignorance once again! :-)
>
> On the other hand, my brain just isn't wired correctly for
> interpreting digital information. I need to see a geometrical
> presentation, I need to see which direction it's changing, and how
> fast it's changing.
>
> I won't mention the appearance issue again if it bothers you, but I
> suspect that it's a big factor creating interest in a meter module.
>
> As far as the size of the meter, I admit that I have a selfish reason
> for preferring a small one: it would be easier for me to swap out an
> 8HP module to make room for it. But if the meter module appears, I'll
> accomodate it somehow, no matter if it's larger than that.
>
> Joe
>
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-136 CV question

2003-05-09 by p. hendricks

please just change the subject line on this one! I'm all for a vu module but
I also love the 136, but everything  with 136 in the sub line has bee about
the VU. Watch your replies...  or you may well e ignored by your supporters.
Please make sure the subject matches your message.
-pH

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