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synchronization.. slaving a IIx .. how does it go again?

Re: synchronization.. slaving a IIx .. how does it go again?

2012-05-11 by elanb

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "elanb" <lobit12@...> wrote:
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> I'm pretty sure there is no midi clock in on the interface box
> 
> so I have to use sync from my asq 10 but.. where does it go?  into the interface box or on the back of the IIx?
>

actually, I was wrong, the asq doesnt sent 384 pulses, only 96..  or fsk 24 which im not familiar with..

It does seem to generate smpte though.. that should work right?

Re: synchronization.. slaving a IIx .. how does it go again?

2012-05-11 by elanb

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, WT <waveterm@...> wrote:
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> Nope,
> 
> You need 384 ppq to do it correctly
> 
> WT
> 
> 
> 11 maj 2012 kl. 22:05 skrev "elanb" <lobit12@...>:
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> > 
> > 
> > --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "elanb" <lobit12@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > I'm pretty sure there is no midi clock in on the interface box
> > > 
> > > so I have to use sync from my asq 10 but.. where does it go? into the interface box or on the back of the IIx?
> > >
> > 
> > actually, I was wrong, the asq doesnt sent 384 pulses, only 96.. or fsk 24 which im not familiar with..
> > 
> > It does seem to generate smpte though.. that should work right?
> > 
> >
>
any idea what kind of box or device might work to generate 384 ppq?

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: synchronization.. slaving a IIx .. how does it go again?

2012-05-11 by WT

Nope,

You need 384 ppq to do it correctly

WT


11 maj 2012 kl. 22:05 skrev "elanb" <lobit12@yahoo.com>:
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> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "elanb" <lobit12@...> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure there is no midi clock in on the interface box
> > 
> > so I have to use sync from my asq 10 but.. where does it go? into the interface box or on the back of the IIx?
> >
> 
> actually, I was wrong, the asq doesnt sent 384 pulses, only 96.. or fsk 24 which im not familiar with..
> 
> It does seem to generate smpte though.. that should work right?
> 
>

Re: synchronization.. slaving a IIx .. how does it go again?

2012-05-11 by elanb

all of the options i've googled (garfield, src) are almost as hard to find as the fairlight itself!

motu volta seems like an option although I would prefer to keep the computer out of the equation if possible.

any way to 'multiply' a 96ppq signal? or would that not be accurate enough. 

what does everyone else on here use for sync?

Re: synchronization.. slaving a IIx .. how does it go again?

2012-05-12 by horiprod

Hi All. You don't mention what you're trying to sync to, but I assume it's a recorded track. Why not use SMPTE code? - that what it was designed for. In the old days, we "striped" (recorded) code on track 24 on the 2" tape, (which the IIX can generate). Then you just set up the RS page to chase sync SMPTE. For younger persons reading, the "chase" allowed you to drop in anywhere in the song, and within a few milliseconds the CMI would know where it was. Previous to this, you had to run from the top of the song everytime - even if you were working on the  4 outro bars!

Hope this helps,

Peter Wielk

Horizontal Productions in sunny Sydney

(where it's sunny, even in winter)

Re: synchronization.. slaving a IIx .. how does it go again?

2012-05-14 by elanb

oh hey Peter, Elan here, I bought the fairlight from you..

yes well that's what I was thinking, Im trying to slave the machine from my midi sequencer (akai ASQ 10) and it does have smpte out. I guess Ill just try it and see.  so what you are saying is it will sync but it won't receive a start signal from my sequencer if I have to restart it? 




--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "horiprod" <horizontal_productions@...> wrote:
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> Hi All. You don't mention what you're trying to sync to, but I assume it's a recorded track. Why not use SMPTE code? - that what it was designed for. In the old days, we "striped" (recorded) code on track 24 on the 2" tape, (which the IIX can generate). Then you just set up the RS page to chase sync SMPTE. For younger persons reading, the "chase" allowed you to drop in anywhere in the song, and within a few milliseconds the CMI would know where it was. Previous to this, you had to run from the top of the song everytime - even if you were working on the  4 outro bars!
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Peter Wielk
> 
> Horizontal Productions in sunny Sydney
> 
> (where it's sunny, even in winter)
>

Re: synchronization.. slaving a IIx .. how does it go again?

2012-05-16 by horiprod

Hi Elan. The IIX will start and sync from SMPTE. Just define the start point on (for example) RS, preferably a few seconds in, so the CMI has time to lock up. If you select "chase", RS will pick up where ever you drop in, so for example half way through a song it will find itself. 

Hope this helps, regards,

Peter   



--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "elanb" <synthy55@...> wrote:
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> oh hey Peter, Elan here, I bought the fairlight from you..
> 
> yes well that's what I was thinking, Im trying to slave the machine from my midi sequencer (akai ASQ 10) and it does have smpte out. I guess Ill just try it and see.  so what you are saying is it will sync but it won't receive a start signal from my sequencer if I have to restart it? 
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> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "horiprod" <horizontal_productions@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All. You don't mention what you're trying to sync to, but I assume it's a recorded track. Why not use SMPTE code? - that what it was designed for. In the old days, we "striped" (recorded) code on track 24 on the 2" tape, (which the IIX can generate). Then you just set up the RS page to chase sync SMPTE. For younger persons reading, the "chase" allowed you to drop in anywhere in the song, and within a few milliseconds the CMI would know where it was. Previous to this, you had to run from the top of the song everytime - even if you were working on the  4 outro bars!
> > 
> > Hope this helps,
> > 
> > Peter Wielk
> > 
> > Horizontal Productions in sunny Sydney
> > 
> > (where it's sunny, even in winter)
> >
>

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: synchronization.. slaving a IIx .. how does it go again?

2012-06-06 by WT

Coming back to this topic a bit late. Massive amounts of work and a computer crash to boot....
Syncing to a SMPTE-track will only work properly when you use the CMI as the masterclock for everything else. Just splitting the SMPTE-track into both the CMI and ASQ will introduce slight jitter and possible drift as you go further into track. The best way is to use an intelligent Masterclock with CUE/drop-in options.
SMPTE-track > Masterclock SMPTE IN
Masterclock 384ppq out > CMI Clock input
This will not allow you to work in Song Mode as the CMI will not chase to the correct position. Instead you need to be in Pattern mode and set the Masterclock to start at the measure of your choice.
Since you´re not into using a computer/DAW there isn´t much options. If you go the DAW-route, I would suggest that you look into the Innerclock Systems Sync-Gen II Pro for a stable clock solution.
I use the Friendchip SRC´s to convert DIN-sync from the SYNC-Gen to 384 PPQ. I also have a Masterbeat but will possibly sell it.
WT
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Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Re: synchronization.. slaving a IIx .. how does it go again?

oh hey Peter, Elan here, I bought the fairlight from you..

yes well that's what I was thinking, Im trying to slave the machine from my midi sequencer (akai ASQ 10) and it does have smpte out. I guess Ill just try it and see. so what you are saying is it will sync but it won't receive a start signal from my sequencer if I have to restart it?

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "horiprod" wrote:
>
> Hi All. You don't mention what you're trying to sync to, but I assume it's a recorded track. Why not use SMPTE code? - that what it was designed for. In the old days, we "striped" (recorded) code on track 24 on the 2" tape, (which the IIX can generate). Then you just set up the RS page to chase sync SMPTE. For younger persons reading, the "chase" allowed you to drop in anywhere in the song, and within a few milliseconds the CMI would know where it was. Previous to this, you had to run from the top of the song everytime - even if you were working on the 4 outro bars!
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Peter Wielk
>
> Horizontal Productions in sunny Sydney
>
> (where it's sunny, even in winter)
>

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