QTR-Quadtone RIP

>
> I'm just getting started and trying to find a source for QTR profiles used for creating digital negatives. In particular, I want to tackle silver gelatin first. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.
>

>
> I'm just getting started and trying to find a source for QTR profiles used for creating digital negatives. In particular, I want to tackle silver gelatin first. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.
>

>
> 
> While it might take you a bit longer compared to starting with someone else's profile...may I recommend learning how to make profiles from scratch? It's a bit more difficult with a Mac, because you have to wrestle with the syntax of the file compared to the GUI in Win.
> 
> I make this recommendation for a couple of reasons..1) you'll learn a lot about QTR and making digital negatives in the process, and 2) everyone has a different way of building profiles, and what another user did may not make sense to you, even if it works.
> 
> Additionally, another user's light source, chemistry, development method, etc. make the profile essentially unique to that process (IMO), so you'll likely have to do a lot of tweaking anyway.
> 
> The simplest curve to make uses only PK ink, and from that you can get used to using the ink limiting and curve controls, as well as linearization. Then you can tackle gray partitioning when you add the LK and LLK inks.
> 
> Keep in mind that since multigrade B&W papers have some color sensitivity, be careful in applying colored inks...you'll have to carefully balance M and Y inks and apply them in tandem if you want to use them, otherwise you'll be activating different emulsions depending on where the M and Y inks get laid down, kind of like printing a C41 negative on B&W multigrade paper.
> 
> With all that being said, if you'd prefer to use someone else's profile as a starting point, I've got a couple of profiles for B&W paper that aren't totally fleshed-out (not linearized), but should get you started. Contact me off-list and I'll send them to you.
> 
> Good luck...
> 
> --Greg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jthacker@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm just getting started and trying to find a source for QTR profiles used for creating digital negatives. In particular, I want to tackle silver gelatin first. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.
> >
>

>
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:37 AM, gmikol <gmikol@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > While it might take you a bit longer compared to starting with someone
> > else's profile...may I recommend learning how to make profiles from scratch?
> >
> 
> +1
> 
> 
> > It's a bit more difficult with a Mac, because you have to wrestle with the
> > syntax of the file compared to the GUI in Win.
> >
> 
> Is there a program that allows a simulation of windows well enough to run
> the QTR Windows GUI?  I'm totally unfamiliar with how Mac people make their
> profiles, but I take it from the discussions that it is less user friendly
> for those of us with very limited computer skills.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Paul,
> No computer expert myself, but when QTR is installed on a MAC, the printing interface is in Photoshop. The curves, which are called .quad files, are built from a text file which one manually enters the ink density, limits, etc. Also, you have to manually provide a path to the gray curve used to linearize the midtones. QRT provides tool to show the a graph of the ink and generate a quad file from the text file. It's not too bad. Printing while in Photoshop is a nice feature.
> John

>
> Greg,
> Points well taken. Regarding light source, I have heard that using low contrast filtration with digital negatives on Ag/gelatin seems to work best. Any thoughts on this?
> John

>
> I tried this. 
> However, there is also a problem. 
> It is the printing quality of QuadToneRIP.
> It seems that processing of micro weaving is not good. 
> 
> 
> Printer:EPSON R2880
> Paper:ILFORD MG 4 FB Gloss
> Light source:Focomat No Filter
> Film:Pictorico TPS-100
> 
> Print setting:
> Resolution:1440-1440 Super
> Uni-directional
> Adaptive-Hyblid
> 
> 
> see also (Japanese)
> http://www.digital-negatives.jp/bb/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35
> 
> 
> PRINTER=QuadR2880
> CURVE_NAME=Silver_4Sec_1440dpiS_AH_Linea
> GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> N_OF_INKS=8
> DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> BOOST_K=85
> LIMIT_K=
> LIMIT_C=2
> LIMIT_M=4
> LIMIT_Y=45
> LIMIT_LC=5
> LIMIT_LM=5
> LIMIT_LK=
> LIMIT_LLK=
> N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=3
> GRAY_INK_1=K
> GRAY_VAL_1=100
> GRAY_INK_2=LK
> GRAY_VAL_2=48
> GRAY_INK_3=LLK
> GRAY_VAL_3=11
> GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=6
> GRAY_SHADOW=6
> GRAY_OVERLAP=
> GRAY_GAMMA=1
> GRAY_CURVE=
> N_OF_TONER_PARTS=1
> TONER_INK_1=Y
> TONER_VAL_1=100
> TONER_HIGHLIGHT=0
> TONER_SHADOW=0
> TONER_GAMMA=1
> TONER_CURVE=
> N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> TONER_2_CURVE=
> N_OF_UNUSED=4
> UNUSED_INK_1=C
> UNUSED_INK_2=M
> UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> LINEARIZE="8.677668 9.799407 12.558486 15.964257 20.611595 25.829237 30.251215 34.221497 37.851635 42.421867 48.068001 53.247597 57.78688 63.395672 68.780212 73.346542 78.760872 84.385475 89.804161 93.293114 95.059952 "
>

>
> 
> There are some resources out there for persons just getting into the QTR-digigneg world. I highly recommend checking out Ron Reeder's site and purchasing his ebook on the subject. ( http://www.ronreeder.com ) . I also have a free and fairly detailed .pdf file on my site that you are more than welcome to download and peruse : ( http://www.clayharmon.com/download/downloads/QTR.pdf ).
> 
> I use a Mac, but run the QTRgui in a windows virtual machine (VMware Fusion) for designing my curves. 
> 
> Also check out http://www.dpug.org for many threads relating to digital negative creation.
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "kumagaikentaro" <homepage@> wrote:
> >
> > I tried this. 
> > However, there is also a problem. 
> > It is the printing quality of QuadToneRIP.
> > It seems that processing of micro weaving is not good. 
> > 
> > 
> > Printer:EPSON R2880
> > Paper:ILFORD MG 4 FB Gloss
> > Light source:Focomat No Filter
> > Film:Pictorico TPS-100
> > 
> > Print setting:
> > Resolution:1440-1440 Super
> > Uni-directional
> > Adaptive-Hyblid
> > 
> > 
> > see also (Japanese)
> > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/bb/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35
> > 
> > 
> > PRINTER=QuadR2880
> > CURVE_NAME=Silver_4Sec_1440dpiS_AH_Linea
> > GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> > N_OF_INKS=8
> > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> > BOOST_K=85
> > LIMIT_K=
> > LIMIT_C=2
> > LIMIT_M=4
> > LIMIT_Y=45
> > LIMIT_LC=5
> > LIMIT_LM=5
> > LIMIT_LK=
> > LIMIT_LLK=
> > N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=3
> > GRAY_INK_1=K
> > GRAY_VAL_1=100
> > GRAY_INK_2=LK
> > GRAY_VAL_2=48
> > GRAY_INK_3=LLK
> > GRAY_VAL_3=11
> > GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=6
> > GRAY_SHADOW=6
> > GRAY_OVERLAP=
> > GRAY_GAMMA=1
> > GRAY_CURVE=
> > N_OF_TONER_PARTS=1
> > TONER_INK_1=Y
> > TONER_VAL_1=100
> > TONER_HIGHLIGHT=0
> > TONER_SHADOW=0
> > TONER_GAMMA=1
> > TONER_CURVE=
> > N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> > TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> > TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> > TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> > TONER_2_CURVE=
> > N_OF_UNUSED=4
> > UNUSED_INK_1=C
> > UNUSED_INK_2=M
> > UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> > UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> > LINEARIZE="8.677668 9.799407 12.558486 15.964257 20.611595 25.829237 30.251215 34.221497 37.851635 42.421867 48.068001 53.247597 57.78688 63.395672 68.780212 73.346542 78.760872 84.385475 89.804161 93.293114 95.059952 "
> >
>

>
> I tried this. 
> However, there is also a problem. 
> It is the printing quality of QuadToneRIP.
> It seems that processing of micro weaving is not good. 
> 
> 
> Printer:EPSON R2880
> Paper:ILFORD MG 4 FB Gloss
> Light source:Focomat No Filter
> Film:Pictorico TPS-100
> 
> Print setting:
> Resolution:1440-1440 Super
> Uni-directional
> Adaptive-Hyblid
> 
> 
> see also (Japanese)
> http://www.digital-negatives.jp/bb/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35
> 
> 
> PRINTER=QuadR2880
> CURVE_NAME=Silver_4Sec_1440dpiS_AH_Linea
> GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> N_OF_INKS=8
> DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> BOOST_K=85
> LIMIT_K=
> LIMIT_C=2
> LIMIT_M=4
> LIMIT_Y=45
> LIMIT_LC=5
> LIMIT_LM=5
> LIMIT_LK=
> LIMIT_LLK=
> N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=3
> GRAY_INK_1=K
> GRAY_VAL_1=100
> GRAY_INK_2=LK
> GRAY_VAL_2=48
> GRAY_INK_3=LLK
> GRAY_VAL_3=11
> GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=6
> GRAY_SHADOW=6
> GRAY_OVERLAP=
> GRAY_GAMMA=1
> GRAY_CURVE=
> N_OF_TONER_PARTS=1
> TONER_INK_1=Y
> TONER_VAL_1=100
> TONER_HIGHLIGHT=0
> TONER_SHADOW=0
> TONER_GAMMA=1
> TONER_CURVE=
> N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> TONER_2_CURVE=
> N_OF_UNUSED=4
> UNUSED_INK_1=C
> UNUSED_INK_2=M
> UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> LINEARIZE="8.677668 9.799407 12.558486 15.964257 20.611595 25.829237 30.251215 34.221497 37.851635 42.421867 48.068001 53.247597 57.78688 63.395672 68.780212 73.346542 78.760872 84.385475 89.804161 93.293114 95.059952 "
>

>
> I just want to note that the profile included below does not work properly...QTRgui throws an error because the linearization data is in the wrong order (for L* data, it must be from highest to lowest values, i.e. paper white to dmax).
> 
> One must be careful when using the LINEARIZATION command with digital negatives. The measurement data has to be manipulated in order for QTR to use it properly. There is no way (that I have found) that using the straight measurement data will yield a linearized negative.
> 
> --Greg
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "kumagaikentaro" <homepage@> wrote:
> >
> > I tried this. 
> > However, there is also a problem. 
> > It is the printing quality of QuadToneRIP.
> > It seems that processing of micro weaving is not good. 
> > 
> > 
> > Printer:EPSON R2880
> > Paper:ILFORD MG 4 FB Gloss
> > Light source:Focomat No Filter
> > Film:Pictorico TPS-100
> > 
> > Print setting:
> > Resolution:1440-1440 Super
> > Uni-directional
> > Adaptive-Hyblid
> > 
> > 
> > see also (Japanese)
> > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/bb/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35
> > 
> > 
> > PRINTER=QuadR2880
> > CURVE_NAME=Silver_4Sec_1440dpiS_AH_Linea
> > GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> > N_OF_INKS=8
> > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> > BOOST_K=85
> > LIMIT_K=
> > LIMIT_C=2
> > LIMIT_M=4
> > LIMIT_Y=45
> > LIMIT_LC=5
> > LIMIT_LM=5
> > LIMIT_LK=
> > LIMIT_LLK=
> > N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=3
> > GRAY_INK_1=K
> > GRAY_VAL_1=100
> > GRAY_INK_2=LK
> > GRAY_VAL_2=48
> > GRAY_INK_3=LLK
> > GRAY_VAL_3=11
> > GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=6
> > GRAY_SHADOW=6
> > GRAY_OVERLAP=
> > GRAY_GAMMA=1
> > GRAY_CURVE=
> > N_OF_TONER_PARTS=1
> > TONER_INK_1=Y
> > TONER_VAL_1=100
> > TONER_HIGHLIGHT=0
> > TONER_SHADOW=0
> > TONER_GAMMA=1
> > TONER_CURVE=
> > N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> > TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> > TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> > TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> > TONER_2_CURVE=
> > N_OF_UNUSED=4
> > UNUSED_INK_1=C
> > UNUSED_INK_2=M
> > UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> > UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> > LINEARIZE="8.677668 9.799407 12.558486 15.964257 20.611595 25.829237 30.251215 34.221497 37.851635 42.421867 48.068001 53.247597 57.78688 63.395672 68.780212 73.346542 78.760872 84.385475 89.804161 93.293114 95.059952 "
> >
>

 From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 1:02 PM
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
 

  
Mr Greg

Are you using Windows QTR?
It is correspondence of only Mac QTR (Ver,2.72). 
I have fixed patch for Win QTR. It was given by Roy. 
Please download. And please overwrite. 

http://www.digital-negatives.jp/TEST/qdensity.zip

About Digital-Negatives Linearization

Step1:
Measurement the density of a print. 

Step2:
Please input in an order from a small numerical value. 
Example
LINEARIZE="8 9 12 ..."

Ron said that WinQTR Digital-Nega Linearization was also corrected by next program update.

Please try this. 

Kentaro Kumagai
http://www..digital-negatives.jp/

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gmikol" <gmikol@...> wrote:
>
> I just want to note that the profile included below does not work properly...QTRgui throws an error because the linearization data is in the wrong order (for L* data, it must be from highest to lowest values, i.e. paper white to dmax).
> 
> One must be careful when using the LINEARIZATION command with digital negatives. The measurement data has to be manipulated in order for QTR to use it properly. There is no way (that I have found) that using the straight measurement data will yield a linearized negative.
> 
> --Greg
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "kumagaikentaro" <homepage@> wrote:
> >
> > I tried this. 
> > However, there is also a problem. 
> > It is the printing quality of QuadToneRIP.
> > It seems that processing of micro weaving is not good. 
> > 
> > 
> > Printer:EPSON R2880
> > Paper:ILFORD MG 4 FB Gloss
> > Light source:Focomat No Filter
> > Film:Pictorico TPS-100
> > 
> > Print setting:
> > Resolution:1440-1440 Super
> > Uni-directional
> > Adaptive-Hyblid
> > 
> > 
> > see also (Japanese)
> > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/bb/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35
> > 
> > 
> > PRINTER=QuadR2880
> > CURVE_NAME=Silver_4Sec_1440dpiS_AH_Linea
> > GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> > N_OF_INKS=8
> > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> > BOOST_K=85
> > LIMIT_K=
> > LIMIT_C=2
> > LIMIT_M=4
> > LIMIT_Y=45
> > LIMIT_LC=5
> > LIMIT_LM=5
> > LIMIT_LK=
> > LIMIT_LLK=
> > N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=3
> > GRAY_INK_1=K
> > GRAY_VAL_1=100
> > GRAY_INK_2=LK
> > GRAY_VAL_2=48
> > GRAY_INK_3=LLK
> > GRAY_VAL_3=11
> > GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=6
> > GRAY_SHADOW=6
> > GRAY_OVERLAP=
> > GRAY_GAMMA=1
> > GRAY_CURVE=
> > N_OF_TONER_PARTS=1
> > TONER_INK_1=Y
> > TONER_VAL_1=100
> > TONER_HIGHLIGHT=0
> > TONER_SHADOW=0
> > TONER_GAMMA=1
> > TONER_CURVE=
> > N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> > TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> > TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> > TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> > TONER_2_CURVE=
> > N_OF_UNUSED=4
> > UNUSED_INK_1=C
> > UNUSED_INK_2=M
> > UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> > UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> > LINEARIZE="8.677668 9.799407 12.558486 15..964257 20.611595 25.829237 30.251215 34.221497 37.851635 42.421867 48.068001 53.247597 57.78688 63.395672 68.780212 73.346542 78.760872 84.385475 89.804161 93.293114 95.059952 "
> >
>


 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>
> Â I believe I got that file from Roy some time ago and also have upgraded to 2.7.2 but when I last pasted a set of L* measurements into the linearisation tab I still was getting an error message from viewing the ink curves. Anyway, the workaround is very simple, normalise them to % figures and turn them into negative values using Ron Reeders instructions for scanner data, then use them as a greycurve.
> 
> 
> Oneday it will all work, I am shure, and that will be fantastic because there is no simpler way of making digital negatives. Print a wedge, read with i1 and colour port, dump file on linearisation tab. Done.
> 
> Thanks
> David
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@...>
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 1:02 PM
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
>  
> 
> Â  
> Mr Greg
> 
> Are you using Windows QTR?
> It is correspondence of only Mac QTR (Ver,2.72). 
> I have fixed patch for Win QTR. It was given by Roy. 
> Please download. And please overwrite. 
> 
> http://www.digital-negatives.jp/TEST/qdensity.zip
> 
> About Digital-Negatives Linearization
> 
> Step1:
> Measurement the density of a print. 
> 
> Step2:
> Please input in an order from a small numerical value. 
> Example
> LINEARIZE="8 9 12 ..."
> 
> Ron said that WinQTR Digital-Nega Linearization was also corrected by next program update.
> 
> Please try this. 
> 
> Kentaro Kumagai
> http://www..digital-negatives.jp/
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gmikol" <gmikol@> wrote:
> >
> > I just want to note that the profile included below does not work properly...QTRgui throws an error because the linearization data is in the wrong order (for L* data, it must be from highest to lowest values, i.e. paper white to dmax).
> > 
> > One must be careful when using the LINEARIZATION command with digital negatives. The measurement data has to be manipulated in order for QTR to use it properly. There is no way (that I have found) that using the straight measurement data will yield a linearized negative.
> > 
> > --Greg
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "kumagaikentaro" <homepage@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I tried this. 
> > > However, there is also a problem. 
> > > It is the printing quality of QuadToneRIP.
> > > It seems that processing of micro weaving is not good. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Printer:EPSON R2880
> > > Paper:ILFORD MG 4 FB Gloss
> > > Light source:Focomat No Filter
> > > Film:Pictorico TPS-100
> > > 
> > > Print setting:
> > > Resolution:1440-1440 Super
> > > Uni-directional
> > > Adaptive-Hyblid
> > > 
> > > 
> > > see also (Japanese)
> > > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/bb/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35
> > > 
> > > 
> > > PRINTER=QuadR2880
> > > CURVE_NAME=Silver_4Sec_1440dpiS_AH_Linea
> > > GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> > > N_OF_INKS=8
> > > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> > > BOOST_K=85
> > > LIMIT_K=
> > > LIMIT_C=2
> > > LIMIT_M=4
> > > LIMIT_Y=45
> > > LIMIT_LC=5
> > > LIMIT_LM=5
> > > LIMIT_LK=
> > > LIMIT_LLK=
> > > N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=3
> > > GRAY_INK_1=K
> > > GRAY_VAL_1=100
> > > GRAY_INK_2=LK
> > > GRAY_VAL_2=48
> > > GRAY_INK_3=LLK
> > > GRAY_VAL_3=11
> > > GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=6
> > > GRAY_SHADOW=6
> > > GRAY_OVERLAP=
> > > GRAY_GAMMA=1
> > > GRAY_CURVE=
> > > N_OF_TONER_PARTS=1
> > > TONER_INK_1=Y
> > > TONER_VAL_1=100
> > > TONER_HIGHLIGHT=0
> > > TONER_SHADOW=0
> > > TONER_GAMMA=1
> > > TONER_CURVE=
> > > N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> > > TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> > > TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> > > TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> > > TONER_2_CURVE=
> > > N_OF_UNUSED=4
> > > UNUSED_INK_1=C
> > > UNUSED_INK_2=M
> > > UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> > > UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> > > LINEARIZE="8.677668 9.799407 12.558486 15..964257 20.611595 25.829237 30.251215 34.221497 37.851635 42.421867 48.068001 53.247597 57.78688 63.395672 68.780212 73.346542 78.760872 84.385475 89.804161 93.293114 95.059952 "
> > >
> >
> 
> 
>  
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 From: gmikol <gmikol@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 5:23 PM
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
 

  
I just tested the file that Kentaro Kumagai linked to, and it works as expected on QTR 2.7.2.

Mr. Kumagai...Thank you for providing this link...it eliminates one step in processing digital negative curves. I look forward to Roy making a general release.

David...you should try this again. It really does work. And the workaround is simpler than you describe...you can transform the measured L* data similar to how Ron describes, and paste it into QTR, and it works. That's what I had been doing.

--Greg

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@...> wrote:
>
> Â I believe I got that file from Roy some time ago and also have upgraded to 2.7.2 but when I last pasted a set of L* measurements into the linearisation tab I still was getting an error message from viewing the ink curves. Anyway, the workaround is very simple, normalise them to % figures and turn them into negative values using Ron Reeders instructions for scanner data, then use them as a greycurve.
> 
> 
> Oneday it will all work, I am shure, and that will be fantastic because there is no simpler way of making digital negatives. Print a wedge, read with i1 and colour port, dump file on linearisation tab. Done.
> 
> Thanks
> David
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@...>
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 1:02 PM
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> 
> 
> Â  
> Mr Greg
> 
> Are you using Windows QTR?
> It is correspondence of only Mac QTR (Ver,2.72). 
> I have fixed patch for Win QTR. It was given by Roy. 
> Please download. And please overwrite. 
> 
> http://www.digital-negatives.jp/TEST/qdensity.zip
> 
> About Digital-Negatives Linearization
> 
> Step1:
> Measurement the density of a print. 
> 
> Step2:
> Please input in an order from a small numerical value. 
> Example
> LINEARIZE="8 9 12 ..."
> 
> Ron said that WinQTR Digital-Nega Linearization was also corrected by next program update.
> 
> Please try this. 
> 
> Kentaro Kumagai
> http://www..digital-negatives.jp/
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gmikol" <gmikol@> wrote:
> >
> > I just want to note that the profile included below does not work properly...QTRgui throws an error because the linearization data is in the wrong order (for L* data, it must be from highest to lowest values, i.e. paper white to dmax).
> > 
> > One must be careful when using the LINEARIZATION command with digital negatives. The measurement data has to be manipulated in order for QTR to use it properly. There is no way (that I have found) that using the straight measurement data will yield a linearized negative.
> > 
> > --Greg
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "kumagaikentaro" <homepage@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I tried this. 
> > > However, there is also a problem. 
> > > It is the printing quality of QuadToneRIP.
> > > It seems that processing of micro weaving is not good. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Printer:EPSON R2880
> > > Paper:ILFORD MG 4 FB Gloss
> > > Light source:Focomat No Filter
> > > Film:Pictorico TPS-100
> > > 
> > > Print setting:
> > > Resolution:1440-1440 Super
> > > Uni-directional
> > > Adaptive-Hyblid
> > > 
> > > 
> > > see also (Japanese)
> > > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/bb/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35
> > > 
> > > 
> > > PRINTER=QuadR2880
> > > CURVE_NAME=Silver_4Sec_1440dpiS_AH_Linea
> > > GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> > > N_OF_INKS=8
> > > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> > > BOOST_K=85
> > > LIMIT_K=
> > > LIMIT_C=2
> > > LIMIT_M=4
> > > LIMIT_Y=45
> > > LIMIT_LC=5
> > > LIMIT_LM=5
> > > LIMIT_LK=
> > > LIMIT_LLK=
> > > N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=3
> > > GRAY_INK_1=K
> > > GRAY_VAL_1=100
> > > GRAY_INK_2=LK
> > > GRAY_VAL_2=48
> > > GRAY_INK_3=LLK
> > > GRAY_VAL_3=11
> > > GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=6
> > > GRAY_SHADOW=6
> > > GRAY_OVERLAP=
> > > GRAY_GAMMA=1
> > > GRAY_CURVE=
> > > N_OF_TONER_PARTS=1
> > > TONER_INK_1=Y
> > > TONER_VAL_1=100
> > > TONER_HIGHLIGHT=0
> > > TONER_SHADOW=0
> > > TONER_GAMMA=1
> > > TONER_CURVE=
> > > N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> > > TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> > > TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> > > TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> > > TONER_2_CURVE=
> > > N_OF_UNUSED=4
> > > UNUSED_INK_1=C
> > > UNUSED_INK_2=M
> > > UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> > > UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> > > LINEARIZE="8.677668 9.799407 12.558486 15..964257 20.611595 25.829237 30.251215 34.221497 37.851635 42.421867 48.068001 53.247597 57.78688 63.395672 68.780212 73.346542 78.760872 84.385475 89.804161 93.293114 95.059952 "
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


 

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>
> I am  still getting the same error message when I click the "show curve" tab. Invalid coordinates at quadprofile.pl line 41, Curve creation failed. I have reinstalled QTR, tried and then also replaced the qdensity file with the supplied file. Still same error.
> 
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: gmikol <gmikol@...>
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 5:23 PM
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
>  
> 
> Â  
> I just tested the file that Kentaro Kumagai linked to, and it works as expected on QTR 2.7.2.
> 
> Mr. Kumagai...Thank you for providing this link...it eliminates one step in processing digital negative curves. I look forward to Roy making a general release.
> 
> David...you should try this again. It really does work. And the workaround is simpler than you describe...you can transform the measured L* data similar to how Ron describes, and paste it into QTR, and it works. That's what I had been doing.
> 
> --Greg
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@> wrote:
> >
> >  I believe I got that file from Roy some time ago and also have upgraded to 2.7.2 but when I last pasted a set of L* measurements into the linearisation tab I still was getting an error message from viewing the ink curves. Anyway, the workaround is very simple, normalise them to % figures and turn them into negative values using Ron Reeders instructions for scanner data, then use them as a greycurve.
> > 
> > 
> > Oneday it will all work, I am shure, and that will be fantastic because there is no simpler way of making digital negatives. Print a wedge, read with i1 and colour port, dump file on linearisation tab. Done.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > David
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> >  From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@>
> > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 1:02 PM
> > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Mr Greg
> > 
> > Are you using Windows QTR?
> > It is correspondence of only Mac QTR (Ver,2.72). 
> > I have fixed patch for Win QTR. It was given by Roy. 
> > Please download. And please overwrite. 
> > 
> > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/TEST/qdensity.zip
> > 
> > About Digital-Negatives Linearization
> > 
> > Step1:
> > Measurement the density of a print. 
> > 
> > Step2:
> > Please input in an order from a small numerical value. 
> > Example
> > LINEARIZE="8 9 12 ..."
> > 
> > Ron said that WinQTR Digital-Nega Linearization was also corrected by next program update.
> > 
> > Please try this. 
> > 
> > Kentaro Kumagai
> > http://www..digital-negatives.jp/
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gmikol" <gmikol@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just want to note that the profile included below does not work properly...QTRgui throws an error because the linearization data is in the wrong order (for L* data, it must be from highest to lowest values, i.e. paper white to dmax).
> > > 
> > > One must be careful when using the LINEARIZATION command with digital negatives. The measurement data has to be manipulated in order for QTR to use it properly. There is no way (that I have found) that using the straight measurement data will yield a linearized negative.
> > > 
> > > --Greg
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "kumagaikentaro" <homepage@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I tried this. 
> > > > However, there is also a problem. 
> > > > It is the printing quality of QuadToneRIP.
> > > > It seems that processing of micro weaving is not good. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Printer:EPSON R2880
> > > > Paper:ILFORD MG 4 FB Gloss
> > > > Light source:Focomat No Filter
> > > > Film:Pictorico TPS-100
> > > > 
> > > > Print setting:
> > > > Resolution:1440-1440 Super
> > > > Uni-directional
> > > > Adaptive-Hyblid
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > see also (Japanese)
> > > > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/bb/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > PRINTER=QuadR2880
> > > > CURVE_NAME=Silver_4Sec_1440dpiS_AH_Linea
> > > > GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> > > > N_OF_INKS=8
> > > > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> > > > BOOST_K=85
> > > > LIMIT_K=
> > > > LIMIT_C=2
> > > > LIMIT_M=4
> > > > LIMIT_Y=45
> > > > LIMIT_LC=5
> > > > LIMIT_LM=5
> > > > LIMIT_LK=
> > > > LIMIT_LLK=
> > > > N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=3
> > > > GRAY_INK_1=K
> > > > GRAY_VAL_1=100
> > > > GRAY_INK_2=LK
> > > > GRAY_VAL_2=48
> > > > GRAY_INK_3=LLK
> > > > GRAY_VAL_3=11
> > > > GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=6
> > > > GRAY_SHADOW=6
> > > > GRAY_OVERLAP=
> > > > GRAY_GAMMA=1
> > > > GRAY_CURVE=
> > > > N_OF_TONER_PARTS=1
> > > > TONER_INK_1=Y
> > > > TONER_VAL_1=100
> > > > TONER_HIGHLIGHT=0
> > > > TONER_SHADOW=0
> > > > TONER_GAMMA=1
> > > > TONER_CURVE=
> > > > N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> > > > TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> > > > TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> > > > TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> > > > TONER_2_CURVE=
> > > > N_OF_UNUSED=4
> > > > UNUSED_INK_1=C
> > > > UNUSED_INK_2=M
> > > > UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> > > > UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> > > > LINEARIZE="8.677668 9.799407 12.558486 15..964257 20.611595 25.829237 30.251215 34.221497 37.851635 42.421867 48.068001 53.247597 57.78688 63.395672 68.780212 73.346542 78.760872 84.385475 89.804161 93.293114 95.059952 "
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> 
> 
>  
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 9:48 PM
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
 

  
Mr,David

Please show me your profile details. 

Kentaro Kumagai

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@...> wrote:
>
> I am  still getting the same error message when I click the "show curve" tab. Invalid coordinates at quadprofile.pl line 41, Curve creation failed. I have reinstalled QTR, tried and then also replaced the qdensity file with the supplied file. Still same error.
> 
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: gmikol <gmikol@...>
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 5:23 PM
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> 
> 
> Â  
> I just tested the file that Kentaro Kumagai linked to, and it works as expected on QTR 2.7.2.
> 
> Mr. Kumagai...Thank you for providing this link...it eliminates one step in processing digital negative curves.. I look forward to Roy making a general release.
> 
> David...you should try this again. It really does work. And the workaround is simpler than you describe...you can transform the measured L* data similar to how Ron describes, and paste it into QTR, and it works. That's what I had been doing.
> 
> --Greg
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@> wrote:
> >
> >  I believe I got that file from Roy some time ago and also have upgraded to 2.7.2 but when I last pasted a set of L* measurements into the linearisation tab I still was getting an error message from viewing the ink curves. Anyway, the workaround is very simple, normalise them to % figures and turn them into negative values using Ron Reeders instructions for scanner data, then use them as a greycurve.
> > 
> > 
> > Oneday it will all work, I am shure, and that will be fantastic because there is no simpler way of making digital negatives. Print a wedge, read with i1 and colour port, dump file on linearisation tab. Done.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > David
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> >  From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@>
> > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 1:02 PM
> > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Mr Greg
> > 
> > Are you using Windows QTR?
> > It is correspondence of only Mac QTR (Ver,2.72). 
> > I have fixed patch for Win QTR. It was given by Roy. 
> > Please download. And please overwrite. 
> > 
> > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/TEST/qdensity.zip
> > 
> > About Digital-Negatives Linearization
> > 
> > Step1:
> > Measurement the density of a print. 
> > 
> > Step2:
> > Please input in an order from a small numerical value. 
> > Example
> > LINEARIZE="8 9 12 ..."
> > 
> > Ron said that WinQTR Digital-Nega Linearization was also corrected by next program update.
> > 
> > Please try this. 
> > 
> > Kentaro Kumagai
> > http://www..digital-negatives.jp/
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gmikol" <gmikol@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just want to note that the profile included below does not work properly...QTRgui throws an error because the linearization data is in the wrong order (for L* data, it must be from highest to lowest values, i.e. paper white to dmax).
> > > 
> > > One must be careful when using the LINEARIZATION command with digital negatives. The measurement data has to be manipulated in order for QTR to use it properly. There is no way (that I have found) that using the straight measurement data will yield a linearized negative.
> > > 
> > > --Greg
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "kumagaikentaro" <homepage@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I tried this. 
> > > > However, there is also a problem. 
> > > > It is the printing quality of QuadToneRIP.
> > > > It seems that processing of micro weaving is not good. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Printer:EPSON R2880
> > > > Paper:ILFORD MG 4 FB Gloss
> > > > Light source:Focomat No Filter
> > > > Film:Pictorico TPS-100
> > > > 
> > > > Print setting:
> > > > Resolution:1440-1440 Super
> > > > Uni-directional
> > > > Adaptive-Hyblid
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > see also (Japanese)
> > > > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/bb/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > PRINTER=QuadR2880
> > > > CURVE_NAME=Silver_4Sec_1440dpiS_AH_Linea
> > > > GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> > > > N_OF_INKS=8
> > > > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> > > > BOOST_K=85
> > > > LIMIT_K=
> > > > LIMIT_C=2
> > > > LIMIT_M=4
> > > > LIMIT_Y=45
> > > > LIMIT_LC=5
> > > > LIMIT_LM=5
> > > > LIMIT_LK=
> > > > LIMIT_LLK=
> > > > N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=3
> > > > GRAY_INK_1=K
> > > > GRAY_VAL_1=100
> > > > GRAY_INK_2=LK
> > > > GRAY_VAL_2=48
> > > > GRAY_INK_3=LLK
> > > > GRAY_VAL_3=11
> > > > GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=6
> > > > GRAY_SHADOW=6
> > > > GRAY_OVERLAP=
> > > > GRAY_GAMMA=1
> > > > GRAY_CURVE=
> > > > N_OF_TONER_PARTS=1
> > > > TONER_INK_1=Y
> > > > TONER_VAL_1=100
> > > > TONER_HIGHLIGHT=0
> > > > TONER_SHADOW=0
> > > > TONER_GAMMA=1
> > > > TONER_CURVE=
> > > > N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> > > > TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> > > > TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> > > > TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> > > > TONER_2_CURVE=
> > > > N_OF_UNUSED=4
> > > > UNUSED_INK_1=C
> > > > UNUSED_INK_2=M
> > > > UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> > > > UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> > > > LINEARIZE="8.677668 9.799407 12.558486 15..964257 20.611595 25.829237 30.251215 34.221497 37.851635 42.421867 48.068001 53.247597 57.78688 63.395672 68.780212 73.346542 78.760872 84.385475 89.804161 93.293114 95.059952 "
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>
> This is the one I am using with a grey curve.
> 
> 
> For carbon printing with 19g black paint pigment, 1g mixol brown or 1g violet watercolour paint. 16ml 5% Ammonium Dichromate per A3 sheet. 160 Units at 10 degrees centigrade or about 45 minute exposure on a Nuarc 40-1K.
> 
> 
> PRINTER=QuadR2880
> CURVE_NAME=MKY3070Curve45percent10C160U
> GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> N_OF_INKS=8
> DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> BOOST_K=
> LIMIT_K=30
> LIMIT_C=
> LIMIT_M=
> LIMIT_Y=70
> LIMIT_LC=
> LIMIT_LM=
> LIMIT_LK=
> LIMIT_LLK=
> N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=0
> GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=10
> GRAY_SHADOW=10
> GRAY_OVERLAP=
> GRAY_GAMMA=1
> GRAY_CURVE=
> N_OF_TONER_PARTS=0
> TONER_HIGHLIGHT=10
> TONER_SHADOW=10
> TONER_GAMMA=1
> TONER_CURVE=
> N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> TONER_2_CURVE=
> N_OF_UNUSED=6
> UNUSED_INK_1=C
> UNUSED_INK_2=M
> UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> UNUSED_INK_5=LK
> UNUSED_INK_6=LLK
> CURVE_K="0;0 1.7;5 4.73;10 8.95;15 13.54;20 19.84;25 27.19;30 34.03;35 42.64;40 50.87;45 59.98;50 67.8713;55 76.54;60 84.34;65 90.42;70 95.03;75 97.87;80 98.9;85 99.53;90 100;100 ""
> COPY_CURVE_Y=K
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@...>
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 9:48 PM
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
>  
> 
> Â  
> Mr,David
> 
> Please show me your profile details. 
> 
> Kentaro Kumagai
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@> wrote:
> >
> > I am  still getting the same error message when I click the "show curve" tab. Invalid coordinates at quadprofile.pl line 41, Curve creation failed. I have reinstalled QTR, tried and then also replaced the qdensity file with the supplied file. Still same error.
> > 
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> >  From: gmikol <gmikol@>
> > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 5:23 PM
> > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > I just tested the file that Kentaro Kumagai linked to, and it works as expected on QTR 2.7.2.
> > 
> > Mr. Kumagai...Thank you for providing this link...it eliminates one step in processing digital negative curves.. I look forward to Roy making a general release.
> > 
> > David...you should try this again. It really does work. And the workaround is simpler than you describe...you can transform the measured L* data similar to how Ron describes, and paste it into QTR, and it works. That's what I had been doing.
> > 
> > --Greg
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@> wrote:
> > >
> > >  I believe I got that file from Roy some time ago and also have upgraded to 2.7.2 but when I last pasted a set of L* measurements into the linearisation tab I still was getting an error message from viewing the ink curves. Anyway, the workaround is very simple, normalise them to % figures and turn them into negative values using Ron Reeders instructions for scanner data, then use them as a greycurve.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Oneday it will all work, I am shure, and that will be fantastic because there is no simpler way of making digital negatives. Print a wedge, read with i1 and colour port, dump file on linearisation tab. Done.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > David
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@>
> > > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 1:02 PM
> > > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > Mr Greg
> > > 
> > > Are you using Windows QTR?
> > > It is correspondence of only Mac QTR (Ver,2.72). 
> > > I have fixed patch for Win QTR. It was given by Roy. 
> > > Please download. And please overwrite. 
> > > 
> > > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/TEST/qdensity.zip
> > > 
> > > About Digital-Negatives Linearization
> > > 
> > > Step1:
> > > Measurement the density of a print. 
> > > 
> > > Step2:
> > > Please input in an order from a small numerical value. 
> > > Example
> > > LINEARIZE="8 9 12 ..."
> > > 
> > > Ron said that WinQTR Digital-Nega Linearization was also corrected by next program update.
> > > 
> > > Please try this. 
> > > 
> > > Kentaro Kumagai
> > > http://www..digital-negatives.jp/
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gmikol" <gmikol@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just want to note that the profile included below does not work properly...QTRgui throws an error because the linearization data is in the wrong order (for L* data, it must be from highest to lowest values, i.e. paper white to dmax).
> > > > 
> > > > One must be careful when using the LINEARIZATION command with digital negatives. The measurement data has to be manipulated in order for QTR to use it properly. There is no way (that I have found) that using the straight measurement data will yield a linearized negative.
> > > > 
> > > > --Greg
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "kumagaikentaro" <homepage@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried this. 
> > > > > However, there is also a problem. 
> > > > > It is the printing quality of QuadToneRIP.
> > > > > It seems that processing of micro weaving is not good. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Printer:EPSON R2880
> > > > > Paper:ILFORD MG 4 FB Gloss
> > > > > Light source:Focomat No Filter
> > > > > Film:Pictorico TPS-100
> > > > > 
> > > > > Print setting:
> > > > > Resolution:1440-1440 Super
> > > > > Uni-directional
> > > > > Adaptive-Hyblid
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > see also (Japanese)
> > > > > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/bb/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > PRINTER=QuadR2880
> > > > > CURVE_NAME=Silver_4Sec_1440dpiS_AH_Linea
> > > > > GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> > > > > N_OF_INKS=8
> > > > > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> > > > > BOOST_K=85
> > > > > LIMIT_K=
> > > > > LIMIT_C=2
> > > > > LIMIT_M=4
> > > > > LIMIT_Y=45
> > > > > LIMIT_LC=5
> > > > > LIMIT_LM=5
> > > > > LIMIT_LK=
> > > > > LIMIT_LLK=
> > > > > N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=3
> > > > > GRAY_INK_1=K
> > > > > GRAY_VAL_1=100
> > > > > GRAY_INK_2=LK
> > > > > GRAY_VAL_2=48
> > > > > GRAY_INK_3=LLK
> > > > > GRAY_VAL_3=11
> > > > > GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=6
> > > > > GRAY_SHADOW=6
> > > > > GRAY_OVERLAP=
> > > > > GRAY_GAMMA=1
> > > > > GRAY_CURVE=
> > > > > N_OF_TONER_PARTS=1
> > > > > TONER_INK_1=Y
> > > > > TONER_VAL_1=100
> > > > > TONER_HIGHLIGHT=0
> > > > > TONER_SHADOW=0
> > > > > TONER_GAMMA=1
> > > > > TONER_CURVE=
> > > > > N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> > > > > TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> > > > > TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> > > > > TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> > > > > TONER_2_CURVE=
> > > > > N_OF_UNUSED=4
> > > > > UNUSED_INK_1=C
> > > > > UNUSED_INK_2=M
> > > > > UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> > > > > UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> > > > > LINEARIZE="8.677668 9.799407 12.558486 15..964257 20.611595 25.829237 30.251215 34.221497 37.851635 42.421867 48.068001 53.247597 57.78688 63.395672 68.780212 73.346542 78.760872 84.385475 89.804161 93.293114 95.059952 "
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 From: gmikol <gmikol@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 11:14 AM
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
 

  

David--

I believe the "GRAY_CURVE" command is limited to 16 pairs of numbers. It appears you have 20. I'm also not sure you're calculating the "GRAY_CURVE" values correctly. What is your actual measured data?

With the modified qdensity file, why not just put the measured values into the LINEARIZE field? 

--Greg

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@...> wrote:
>
> This is the one I am using with a grey curve.
> 
> 
> For carbon printing with 19g black paint pigment, 1g mixol brown or 1g violet watercolour paint. 16ml 5% Ammonium Dichromate per A3 sheet. 160 Units at 10 degrees centigrade or about 45 minute exposure on a Nuarc 40-1K.
> 
> 
> PRINTER=QuadR2880
> CURVE_NAME=MKY3070Curve45percent10C160U
> GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> N_OF_INKS=8
> DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> BOOST_K=
> LIMIT_K=30
> LIMIT_C=
> LIMIT_M=
> LIMIT_Y=70
> LIMIT_LC=
> LIMIT_LM=
> LIMIT_LK=
> LIMIT_LLK=
> N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=0
> GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=10
> GRAY_SHADOW=10
> GRAY_OVERLAP=
> GRAY_GAMMA=1
> GRAY_CURVE=
> N_OF_TONER_PARTS=0
> TONER_HIGHLIGHT=10
> TONER_SHADOW=10
> TONER_GAMMA=1
> TONER_CURVE=
> N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> TONER_2_CURVE=
> N_OF_UNUSED=6
> UNUSED_INK_1=C
> UNUSED_INK_2=M
> UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> UNUSED_INK_5=LK
> UNUSED_INK_6=LLK
> CURVE_K="0;0 1.7;5 4.73;10 8.95;15 13.54;20 19.84;25 27.19;30 34.03;35 42.64;40 50.87;45 59.98;50 67.8713;55 76.54;60 84.34;65 90.42;70 95.03;75 97.87;80 98.9;85 99.53;90 100;100 ""
> COPY_CURVE_Y=K
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@...>
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 9:48 PM
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> 
> 
> Â  
> Mr,David
> 
> Please show me your profile details. 
> 
> Kentaro Kumagai
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@> wrote:
> >
> > I am  still getting the same error message when I click the "show curve" tab. Invalid coordinates at quadprofile.pl line 41, Curve creation failed. I have reinstalled QTR, tried and then also replaced the qdensity file with the supplied file. Still same error.
> > 
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> >  From: gmikol <gmikol@>
> > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 5:23 PM
> > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > I just tested the file that Kentaro Kumagai linked to, and it works as expected on QTR 2.7.2.
> > 
> > Mr. Kumagai...Thank you for providing this link...it eliminates one step in processing digital negative curves.. I look forward to Roy making a general release.
> > 
> > David...you should try this again. It really does work. And the workaround is simpler than you describe...you can transform the measured L* data similar to how Ron describes, and paste it into QTR, and it works. That's what I had been doing.
> > 
> > --Greg
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@> wrote:
> > >
> > >  I believe I got that file from Roy some time ago and also have upgraded to 2.7.2 but when I last pasted a set of L* measurements into the linearisation tab I still was getting an error message from viewing the ink curves. Anyway, the workaround is very simple, normalise them to % figures and turn them into negative values using Ron Reeders instructions for scanner data, then use them as a greycurve.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Oneday it will all work, I am shure, and that will be fantastic because there is no simpler way of making digital negatives. Print a wedge, read with i1 and colour port, dump file on linearisation tab. Done.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > David
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@>
> > > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 1:02 PM
> > > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > Mr Greg
> > > 
> > > Are you using Windows QTR?
> > > It is correspondence of only Mac QTR (Ver,2.72). 
> > > I have fixed patch for Win QTR. It was given by Roy. 
> > > Please download. And please overwrite. 
> > > 
> > > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/TEST/qdensity.zip
> > > 
> > > About Digital-Negatives Linearization
> > > 
> > > Step1:
> > > Measurement the density of a print. 
> > > 
> > > Step2:
> > > Please input in an order from a small numerical value. 
> > > Example
> > > LINEARIZE="8 9 12 ..."
> > > 
> > > Ron said that WinQTR Digital-Nega Linearization was also corrected by next program update.
> > > 
> > > Please try this. 
> > > 
> > > Kentaro Kumagai
> > > http://www..digital-negatives.jp/
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gmikol" <gmikol@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just want to note that the profile included below does not work properly...QTRgui throws an error because the linearization data is in the wrong order (for L* data, it must be from highest to lowest values, i.e. paper white to dmax).
> > > > 
> > > > One must be careful when using the LINEARIZATION command with digital negatives. The measurement data has to be manipulated in order for QTR to use it properly. There is no way (that I have found) that using the straight measurement data will yield a linearized negative.
> > > > 
> > > > --Greg
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "kumagaikentaro" <homepage@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried this. 
> > > > > However, there is also a problem. 
> > > > > It is the printing quality of QuadToneRIP.
> > > > > It seems that processing of micro weaving is not good. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Printer:EPSON R2880
> > > > > Paper:ILFORD MG 4 FB Gloss
> > > > > Light source:Focomat No Filter
> > > > > Film:Pictorico TPS-100
> > > > > 
> > > > > Print setting:
> > > > > Resolution:1440-1440 Super
> > > > > Uni-directional
> > > > > Adaptive-Hyblid
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > see also (Japanese)
> > > > > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/bb/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > PRINTER=QuadR2880
> > > > > CURVE_NAME=Silver_4Sec_1440dpiS_AH_Linea
> > > > > GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> > > > > N_OF_INKS=8
> > > > > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> > > > > BOOST_K=85
> > > > > LIMIT_K=
> > > > > LIMIT_C=2
> > > > > LIMIT_M=4
> > > > > LIMIT_Y=45
> > > > > LIMIT_LC=5
> > > > > LIMIT_LM=5
> > > > > LIMIT_LK=
> > > > > LIMIT_LLK=
> > > > > N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=3
> > > > > GRAY_INK_1=K
> > > > > GRAY_VAL_1=100
> > > > > GRAY_INK_2=LK
> > > > > GRAY_VAL_2=48
> > > > > GRAY_INK_3=LLK
> > > > > GRAY_VAL_3=11
> > > > > GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=6
> > > > > GRAY_SHADOW=6
> > > > > GRAY_OVERLAP=
> > > > > GRAY_GAMMA=1
> > > > > GRAY_CURVE=
> > > > > N_OF_TONER_PARTS=1
> > > > > TONER_INK_1=Y
> > > > > TONER_VAL_1=100
> > > > > TONER_HIGHLIGHT=0
> > > > > TONER_SHADOW=0
> > > > > TONER_GAMMA=1
> > > > > TONER_CURVE=
> > > > > N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> > > > > TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> > > > > TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> > > > > TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> > > > > TONER_2_CURVE=
> > > > > N_OF_UNUSED=4
> > > > > UNUSED_INK_1=C
> > > > > UNUSED_INK_2=M
> > > > > UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> > > > > UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> > > > > LINEARIZE="8.677668 9.799407 12.558486 15..964257 20.611595 25.829237 30.251215 34.221497 37.851635 42.421867 48.068001 53.247597 57.78688 63.395672 68.780212 73.346542 78.760872 84.385475 89.804161 93.293114 95.059952 "
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>
> 
> David--
> 
> I believe the "GRAY_CURVE" command is limited to 16 pairs of numbers. It appears you have 20. I'm also not sure you're calculating the "GRAY_CURVE" values correctly. What is your actual measured data?
> 
> With the modified qdensity file, why not just put the measured values into the LINEARIZE field? 
> 
> --Greg
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@> wrote:
> >
> > This is the one I am using with a grey curve.
> > 
> > 
> > For carbon printing with 19g black paint pigment, 1g mixol brown or 1g violet watercolour paint. 16ml 5% Ammonium Dichromate per A3 sheet. 160 Units at 10 degrees centigrade or about 45 minute exposure on a Nuarc 40-1K.
> > 
> > 
> > PRINTER=QuadR2880
> > CURVE_NAME=MKY3070Curve45percent10C160U
> > GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> > N_OF_INKS=8
> > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> > BOOST_K=
> > LIMIT_K=30
> > LIMIT_C=
> > LIMIT_M=
> > LIMIT_Y=70
> > LIMIT_LC=
> > LIMIT_LM=
> > LIMIT_LK=
> > LIMIT_LLK=
> > N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=0
> > GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=10
> > GRAY_SHADOW=10
> > GRAY_OVERLAP=
> > GRAY_GAMMA=1
> > GRAY_CURVE=
> > N_OF_TONER_PARTS=0
> > TONER_HIGHLIGHT=10
> > TONER_SHADOW=10
> > TONER_GAMMA=1
> > TONER_CURVE=
> > N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> > TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> > TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> > TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> > TONER_2_CURVE=
> > N_OF_UNUSED=6
> > UNUSED_INK_1=C
> > UNUSED_INK_2=M
> > UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> > UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> > UNUSED_INK_5=LK
> > UNUSED_INK_6=LLK
> > CURVE_K="0;0 1.7;5 4.73;10 8.95;15 13.54;20 19.84;25 27.19;30 34.03;35 42.64;40 50.87;45 59.98;50 67.8713;55 76.54;60 84.34;65 90.42;70 95.03;75 97.87;80 98.9;85 99.53;90 100;100 ""
> > COPY_CURVE_Y=K
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> >  From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@>
> > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 9:48 PM
> > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> >  
> > 
> > Â  
> > Mr,David
> > 
> > Please show me your profile details. 
> > 
> > Kentaro Kumagai
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am  still getting the same error message when I click the "show curve" tab. Invalid coordinates at quadprofile.pl line 41, Curve creation failed. I have reinstalled QTR, tried and then also replaced the qdensity file with the supplied file. Still same error.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > David
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: gmikol <gmikol@>
> > > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 5:23 PM
> > > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > I just tested the file that Kentaro Kumagai linked to, and it works as expected on QTR 2.7.2.
> > > 
> > > Mr. Kumagai...Thank you for providing this link...it eliminates one step in processing digital negative curves.. I look forward to Roy making a general release.
> > > 
> > > David...you should try this again. It really does work. And the workaround is simpler than you describe...you can transform the measured L* data similar to how Ron describes, and paste it into QTR, and it works. That's what I had been doing.
> > > 
> > > --Greg
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  I believe I got that file from Roy some time ago and also have upgraded to 2.7.2 but when I last pasted a set of L* measurements into the linearisation tab I still was getting an error message from viewing the ink curves. Anyway, the workaround is very simple, normalise them to % figures and turn them into negative values using Ron Reeders instructions for scanner data, then use them as a greycurve.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Oneday it will all work, I am shure, and that will be fantastic because there is no simpler way of making digital negatives. Print a wedge, read with i1 and colour port, dump file on linearisation tab. Done.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks
> > > > David
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >  From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@>
> > > > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 1:02 PM
> > > > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > Mr Greg
> > > > 
> > > > Are you using Windows QTR?
> > > > It is correspondence of only Mac QTR (Ver,2.72). 
> > > > I have fixed patch for Win QTR. It was given by Roy. 
> > > > Please download. And please overwrite. 
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/TEST/qdensity.zip
> > > > 
> > > > About Digital-Negatives Linearization
> > > > 
> > > > Step1:
> > > > Measurement the density of a print. 
> > > > 
> > > > Step2:
> > > > Please input in an order from a small numerical value. 
> > > > Example
> > > > LINEARIZE="8 9 12 ..."
> > > > 
> > > > Ron said that WinQTR Digital-Nega Linearization was also corrected by next program update.
> > > > 
> > > > Please try this. 
> > > > 
> > > > Kentaro Kumagai
> > > > http://www..digital-negatives.jp/
> > > > 
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gmikol" <gmikol@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just want to note that the profile included below does not work properly...QTRgui throws an error because the linearization data is in the wrong order (for L* data, it must be from highest to lowest values, i.e. paper white to dmax).
> > > > > 
> > > > > One must be careful when using the LINEARIZATION command with digital negatives. The measurement data has to be manipulated in order for QTR to use it properly. There is no way (that I have found) that using the straight measurement data will yield a linearized negative.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --Greg
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "kumagaikentaro" <homepage@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I tried this. 
> > > > > > However, there is also a problem. 
> > > > > > It is the printing quality of QuadToneRIP.
> > > > > > It seems that processing of micro weaving is not good. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Printer:EPSON R2880
> > > > > > Paper:ILFORD MG 4 FB Gloss
> > > > > > Light source:Focomat No Filter
> > > > > > Film:Pictorico TPS-100
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Print setting:
> > > > > > Resolution:1440-1440 Super
> > > > > > Uni-directional
> > > > > > Adaptive-Hyblid
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > see also (Japanese)
> > > > > > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/bb/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > PRINTER=QuadR2880
> > > > > > CURVE_NAME=Silver_4Sec_1440dpiS_AH_Linea
> > > > > > GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> > > > > > N_OF_INKS=8
> > > > > > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> > > > > > BOOST_K=85
> > > > > > LIMIT_K=
> > > > > > LIMIT_C=2
> > > > > > LIMIT_M=4
> > > > > > LIMIT_Y=45
> > > > > > LIMIT_LC=5
> > > > > > LIMIT_LM=5
> > > > > > LIMIT_LK=
> > > > > > LIMIT_LLK=
> > > > > > N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=3
> > > > > > GRAY_INK_1=K
> > > > > > GRAY_VAL_1=100
> > > > > > GRAY_INK_2=LK
> > > > > > GRAY_VAL_2=48
> > > > > > GRAY_INK_3=LLK
> > > > > > GRAY_VAL_3=11
> > > > > > GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=6
> > > > > > GRAY_SHADOW=6
> > > > > > GRAY_OVERLAP=
> > > > > > GRAY_GAMMA=1
> > > > > > GRAY_CURVE=
> > > > > > N_OF_TONER_PARTS=1
> > > > > > TONER_INK_1=Y
> > > > > > TONER_VAL_1=100
> > > > > > TONER_HIGHLIGHT=0
> > > > > > TONER_SHADOW=0
> > > > > > TONER_GAMMA=1
> > > > > > TONER_CURVE=
> > > > > > N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> > > > > > TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> > > > > > TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> > > > > > TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> > > > > > TONER_2_CURVE=
> > > > > > N_OF_UNUSED=4
> > > > > > UNUSED_INK_1=C
> > > > > > UNUSED_INK_2=M
> > > > > > UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> > > > > > UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> > > > > > LINEARIZE="8.677668 9.799407 12.558486 15..964257 20.611595 25.829237 30.251215 34.221497 37.851635 42.421867 48.068001 53.247597 57.78688 63.395672 68.780212 73.346542 78.760872 84.385475 89.804161 93.293114 95.059952 "
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> This is the one I am using with a grey curve.
> 
> 
> For carbon printing with 19g black paint pigment, 1g mixol brown or 1g violet watercolour paint. 16ml 5% Ammonium Dichromate per A3 sheet. 160 Units at 10 degrees centigrade or about 45 minute exposure on a Nuarc 40-1K.
> 
> 
> PRINTER=QuadR2880
> CURVE_NAME=MKY3070Curve45percent10C160U
> GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> N_OF_INKS=8
> DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> BOOST_K=
> LIMIT_K=30
> LIMIT_C=
> LIMIT_M=
> LIMIT_Y=70
> LIMIT_LC=
> LIMIT_LM=
> LIMIT_LK=
> LIMIT_LLK=
> N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=0
> GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=10
> GRAY_SHADOW=10
> GRAY_OVERLAP=
> GRAY_GAMMA=1
> GRAY_CURVE=
> N_OF_TONER_PARTS=0
> TONER_HIGHLIGHT=10
> TONER_SHADOW=10
> TONER_GAMMA=1
> TONER_CURVE=
> N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> TONER_2_CURVE=
> N_OF_UNUSED=6
> UNUSED_INK_1=C
> UNUSED_INK_2=M
> UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> UNUSED_INK_5=LK
> UNUSED_INK_6=LLK
> CURVE_K="0;0 1.7;5 4.73;10 8.95;15 13.54;20 19.84;25 27.19;30 34.03;35 42.64;40 50.87;45 59.98;50 67.8713;55 76.54;60 84.34;65 90.42;70 95.03;75 97.87;80 98.9;85 99.53;90 100;100 ""
> COPY_CURVE_Y=K
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@...>
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 9:48 PM
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
>  
> 
> Â  
> Mr,David
> 
> Please show me your profile details. 
> 
> Kentaro Kumagai
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@> wrote:
> >
> > I am  still getting the same error message when I click the "show curve" tab. Invalid coordinates at quadprofile.pl line 41, Curve creation failed. I have reinstalled QTR, tried and then also replaced the qdensity file with the supplied file. Still same error.
> > 
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> >  From: gmikol <gmikol@>
> > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 5:23 PM
> > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > I just tested the file that Kentaro Kumagai linked to, and it works as expected on QTR 2.7.2.
> > 
> > Mr. Kumagai...Thank you for providing this link...it eliminates one step in processing digital negative curves.. I look forward to Roy making a general release.
> > 
> > David...you should try this again. It really does work. And the workaround is simpler than you describe...you can transform the measured L* data similar to how Ron describes, and paste it into QTR, and it works. That's what I had been doing.
> > 
> > --Greg
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@> wrote:
> > >
> > >  I believe I got that file from Roy some time ago and also have upgraded to 2.7.2 but when I last pasted a set of L* measurements into the linearisation tab I still was getting an error message from viewing the ink curves. Anyway, the workaround is very simple, normalise them to % figures and turn them into negative values using Ron Reeders instructions for scanner data, then use them as a greycurve.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Oneday it will all work, I am shure, and that will be fantastic because there is no simpler way of making digital negatives. Print a wedge, read with i1 and colour port, dump file on linearisation tab. Done.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > David
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@>
> > > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 1:02 PM
> > > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > Mr Greg
> > > 
> > > Are you using Windows QTR?
> > > It is correspondence of only Mac QTR (Ver,2.72). 
> > > I have fixed patch for Win QTR. It was given by Roy. 
> > > Please download. And please overwrite. 
> > > 
> > > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/TEST/qdensity.zip
> > > 
> > > About Digital-Negatives Linearization
> > > 
> > > Step1:
> > > Measurement the density of a print. 
> > > 
> > > Step2:
> > > Please input in an order from a small numerical value. 
> > > Example
> > > LINEARIZE="8 9 12 ..."
> > > 
> > > Ron said that WinQTR Digital-Nega Linearization was also corrected by next program update.
> > > 
> > > Please try this. 
> > > 
> > > Kentaro Kumagai
> > > http://www..digital-negatives.jp/
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gmikol" <gmikol@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just want to note that the profile included below does not work properly...QTRgui throws an error because the linearization data is in the wrong order (for L* data, it must be from highest to lowest values, i.e. paper white to dmax).
> > > > 
> > > > One must be careful when using the LINEARIZATION command with digital negatives. The measurement data has to be manipulated in order for QTR to use it properly. There is no way (that I have found) that using the straight measurement data will yield a linearized negative.
> > > > 
> > > > --Greg
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "kumagaikentaro" <homepage@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried this. 
> > > > > However, there is also a problem. 
> > > > > It is the printing quality of QuadToneRIP.
> > > > > It seems that processing of micro weaving is not good. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Printer:EPSON R2880
> > > > > Paper:ILFORD MG 4 FB Gloss
> > > > > Light source:Focomat No Filter
> > > > > Film:Pictorico TPS-100
> > > > > 
> > > > > Print setting:
> > > > > Resolution:1440-1440 Super
> > > > > Uni-directional
> > > > > Adaptive-Hyblid
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > see also (Japanese)
> > > > > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/bb/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > PRINTER=QuadR2880
> > > > > CURVE_NAME=Silver_4Sec_1440dpiS_AH_Linea
> > > > > GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> > > > > N_OF_INKS=8
> > > > > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> > > > > BOOST_K=85
> > > > > LIMIT_K=
> > > > > LIMIT_C=2
> > > > > LIMIT_M=4
> > > > > LIMIT_Y=45
> > > > > LIMIT_LC=5
> > > > > LIMIT_LM=5
> > > > > LIMIT_LK=
> > > > > LIMIT_LLK=
> > > > > N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=3
> > > > > GRAY_INK_1=K
> > > > > GRAY_VAL_1=100
> > > > > GRAY_INK_2=LK
> > > > > GRAY_VAL_2=48
> > > > > GRAY_INK_3=LLK
> > > > > GRAY_VAL_3=11
> > > > > GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=6
> > > > > GRAY_SHADOW=6
> > > > > GRAY_OVERLAP=
> > > > > GRAY_GAMMA=1
> > > > > GRAY_CURVE=
> > > > > N_OF_TONER_PARTS=1
> > > > > TONER_INK_1=Y
> > > > > TONER_VAL_1=100
> > > > > TONER_HIGHLIGHT=0
> > > > > TONER_SHADOW=0
> > > > > TONER_GAMMA=1
> > > > > TONER_CURVE=
> > > > > N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> > > > > TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> > > > > TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> > > > > TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> > > > > TONER_2_CURVE=
> > > > > N_OF_UNUSED=4
> > > > > UNUSED_INK_1=C
> > > > > UNUSED_INK_2=M
> > > > > UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> > > > > UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> > > > > LINEARIZE="8.677668 9.799407 12.558486 15..964257 20.611595 25.829237 30.251215 34.221497 37.851635 42.421867 48.068001 53.247597 57.78688 63.395672 68.780212 73.346542 78.760872 84.385475 89.804161 93.293114 95.059952 "
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> 
> 
>  
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 12:46 AM
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
 

  
Mr Daved

I checked your profile. 
And this is no problem. 

Digital-Negatives Linearize also worked well.

http://www.digital-negatives.jp/TEST/David_curve.jpg

Kumagai

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@...> wrote:
>
> This is the one I am using with a grey curve.
> 
> 
> For carbon printing with 19g black paint pigment, 1g mixol brown or 1g violet watercolour paint. 16ml 5% Ammonium Dichromate per A3 sheet. 160 Units at 10 degrees centigrade or about 45 minute exposure on a Nuarc 40-1K.
> 
> 
> PRINTER=QuadR2880
> CURVE_NAME=MKY3070Curve45percent10C160U
> GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> N_OF_INKS=8
> DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> BOOST_K=
> LIMIT_K=30
> LIMIT_C=
> LIMIT_M=
> LIMIT_Y=70
> LIMIT_LC=
> LIMIT_LM=
> LIMIT_LK=
> LIMIT_LLK=
> N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=0
> GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=10
> GRAY_SHADOW=10
> GRAY_OVERLAP=
> GRAY_GAMMA=1
> GRAY_CURVE=
> N_OF_TONER_PARTS=0
> TONER_HIGHLIGHT=10
> TONER_SHADOW=10
> TONER_GAMMA=1
> TONER_CURVE=
> N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> TONER_2_CURVE=
> N_OF_UNUSED=6
> UNUSED_INK_1=C
> UNUSED_INK_2=M
> UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> UNUSED_INK_5=LK
> UNUSED_INK_6=LLK
> CURVE_K="0;0 1.7;5 4.73;10 8.95;15 13.54;20 19.84;25 27.19;30 34.03;35 42.64;40 50.87;45 59.98;50 67.8713;55 76.54;60 84.34;65 90.42;70 95.03;75 97.87;80 98.9;85 99.53;90 100;100 ""
> COPY_CURVE_Y=K
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@...>
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 9:48 PM
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> 
> 
> Â  
> Mr,David
> 
> Please show me your profile details. 
> 
> Kentaro Kumagai
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@> wrote:
> >
> > I am  still getting the same error message when I click the "show curve" tab. Invalid coordinates at quadprofile.pl line 41, Curve creation failed. I have reinstalled QTR, tried and then also replaced the qdensity file with the supplied file. Still same error.
> > 
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> >  From: gmikol <gmikol@>
> > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 5:23 PM
> > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > I just tested the file that Kentaro Kumagai linked to, and it works as expected on QTR 2.7.2.
> > 
> > Mr. Kumagai...Thank you for providing this link...it eliminates one step in processing digital negative curves.. I look forward to Roy making a general release.
> > 
> > David...you should try this again. It really does work. And the workaround is simpler than you describe...you can transform the measured L* data similar to how Ron describes, and paste it into QTR, and it works. That's what I had been doing.
> > 
> > --Greg
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@> wrote:
> > >
> > >  I believe I got that file from Roy some time ago and also have upgraded to 2.7.2 but when I last pasted a set of L* measurements into the linearisation tab I still was getting an error message from viewing the ink curves. Anyway, the workaround is very simple, normalise them to % figures and turn them into negative values using Ron Reeders instructions for scanner data, then use them as a greycurve.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Oneday it will all work, I am shure, and that will be fantastic because there is no simpler way of making digital negatives. Print a wedge, read with i1 and colour port, dump file on linearisation tab. Done.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > David
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: kumagaikentaro <homepage@>
> > > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 1:02 PM
> > > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > Mr Greg
> > > 
> > > Are you using Windows QTR?
> > > It is correspondence of only Mac QTR (Ver,2.72). 
> > > I have fixed patch for Win QTR. It was given by Roy. 
> > > Please download. And please overwrite. 
> > > 
> > > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/TEST/qdensity.zip
> > > 
> > > About Digital-Negatives Linearization
> > > 
> > > Step1:
> > > Measurement the density of a print. 
> > > 
> > > Step2:
> > > Please input in an order from a small numerical value. 
> > > Example
> > > LINEARIZE="8 9 12 ..."
> > > 
> > > Ron said that WinQTR Digital-Nega Linearization was also corrected by next program update.
> > > 
> > > Please try this. 
> > > 
> > > Kentaro Kumagai
> > > http://www..digital-negatives.jp/
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gmikol" <gmikol@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just want to note that the profile included below does not work properly....QTRgui throws an error because the linearization data is in the wrong order (for L* data, it must be from highest to lowest values, i.e. paper white to dmax).
> > > > 
> > > > One must be careful when using the LINEARIZATION command with digital negatives. The measurement data has to be manipulated in order for QTR to use it properly. There is no way (that I have found) that using the straight measurement data will yield a linearized negative.
> > > > 
> > > > --Greg
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "kumagaikentaro" <homepage@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried this. 
> > > > > However, there is also a problem. 
> > > > > It is the printing quality of QuadToneRIP.
> > > > > It seems that processing of micro weaving is not good. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Printer:EPSON R2880
> > > > > Paper:ILFORD MG 4 FB Gloss
> > > > > Light source:Focomat No Filter
> > > > > Film:Pictorico TPS-100
> > > > > 
> > > > > Print setting:
> > > > > Resolution:1440-1440 Super
> > > > > Uni-directional
> > > > > Adaptive-Hyblid
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > see also (Japanese)
> > > > > http://www.digital-negatives.jp/bb/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > PRINTER=QuadR2880
> > > > > CURVE_NAME=Silver_4Sec_1440dpiS_AH_Linea
> > > > > GRAPH_CURVE=YES
> > > > > N_OF_INKS=8
> > > > > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100
> > > > > BOOST_K=85
> > > > > LIMIT_K=
> > > > > LIMIT_C=2
> > > > > LIMIT_M=4
> > > > > LIMIT_Y=45
> > > > > LIMIT_LC=5
> > > > > LIMIT_LM=5
> > > > > LIMIT_LK=
> > > > > LIMIT_LLK=
> > > > > N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=3
> > > > > GRAY_INK_1=K
> > > > > GRAY_VAL_1=100
> > > > > GRAY_INK_2=LK
> > > > > GRAY_VAL_2=48
> > > > > GRAY_INK_3=LLK
> > > > > GRAY_VAL_3=11
> > > > > GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=6
> > > > > GRAY_SHADOW=6
> > > > > GRAY_OVERLAP=
> > > > > GRAY_GAMMA=1
> > > > > GRAY_CURVE=
> > > > > N_OF_TONER_PARTS=1
> > > > > TONER_INK_1=Y
> > > > > TONER_VAL_1=100
> > > > > TONER_HIGHLIGHT=0
> > > > > TONER_SHADOW=0
> > > > > TONER_GAMMA=1
> > > > > TONER_CURVE=
> > > > > N_OF_TONER_2_PARTS=0
> > > > > TONER_2_HIGHLIGHT=10
> > > > > TONER_2_SHADOW=10
> > > > > TONER_2_GAMMA=1
> > > > > TONER_2_CURVE=
> > > > > N_OF_UNUSED=4
> > > > > UNUSED_INK_1=C
> > > > > UNUSED_INK_2=M
> > > > > UNUSED_INK_3=LC
> > > > > UNUSED_INK_4=LM
> > > > > LINEARIZE="8.677668 9.799407 12.558486 15..964257 20.611595 25.829237 30.251215 34..221497 37.851635 42.421867 48.068001 53.247597 57.78688 63.395672 68.780212 73.346542 78.760872 84.385475 89.804161 93.293114 95.059952 "
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>
> Sorry if I didn't provide enough detail, but I'm using a MAC, Espon 3880 UC, and Ilford Multigrade Fiber glossy. Thanks
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jthacker@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm just getting started and trying to find a source for QTR profiles used for creating digital negatives. In particular, I want to tackle silver gelatin first. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.
> >
>

>
> If you are able to dedicate the printer to digital negatives I would recommend Jon Cone's Digital Negative Methodology #3. I have installed this inkset on my Epson 3800 and am getting negatives for carbon printing that are much freer of artifacts than I was ever able to get with the Epson K3 ink set.
> 
> http://www.piezography.com/PiezoPress/blog/piezography-digital-negative-update/
> 
> 
> Sandy 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jthacker@> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry if I didn't provide enough detail, but I'm using a MAC, Espon 3880 UC, and Ilford Multigrade Fiber glossy. Thanks
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jthacker@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm just getting started and trying to find a source for QTR profiles used for creating digital negatives. In particular, I want to tackle silver gelatin first. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> >
>

>
> Very interesting and appealing, I will investigate but not sure I can totally dedicate my 3800 to digital negatives.
> John
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "SandyK" <sanking@> wrote:
> >
> > If you are able to dedicate the printer to digital negatives I would recommend Jon Cone's Digital Negative Methodology #3. I have installed this inkset on my Epson 3800 and am getting negatives for carbon printing that are much freer of artifacts than I was ever able to get with the Epson K3 ink set.
> > 
> > http://www.piezography.com/PiezoPress/blog/piezography-digital-negative-update/
> > 
> > 
> > Sandy 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jthacker@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry if I didn't provide enough detail, but I'm using a MAC, Espon 3880 UC, and Ilford Multigrade Fiber glossy. Thanks
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jthacker@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm just getting started and trying to find a source for QTR profiles used for creating digital negatives. In particular, I want to tackle silver gelatin first. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

 From: SandyK <sanking@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 12:16 PM
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
 

  
Actually you can use the 3800/3800 to make both digital negatives and K7 Piezography prints on paper by means of different profiles, and switching out a couple of the inks in the system. 

"This update is a way to use both Piezography Digital Negative and the Piezography K7 printing systems together by swapping out two ink positions and using newly reorganized QTR curves when one wants to make digital negatives – and then swapping back in the two original Piezography ink positions in order to make prints."

You can basically switch the inks with a couple of power cleaning. The switch does waste some ink, but gives you the flexibility of making high quality K7 monochrome prints and digital negatives.

What you lose, obviously, is the ability to make color prints.

Sandy

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jthacker@...> wrote:
>
> Very interesting and appealing, I will investigate but not sure I can totally dedicate my 3800 to digital negatives.
> John
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "SandyK" <sanking@> wrote:
> >
> > If you are able to dedicate the printer to digital negatives I would recommend Jon Cone's Digital Negative Methodology #3. I have installed this inkset on my Epson 3800 and am getting negatives for carbon printing that are much freer of artifacts than I was ever able to get with the Epson K3 ink set.
> > 
> > http://www.piezography.com/PiezoPress/blog/piezography-digital-negative-update/
> > 
> > 
> > Sandy 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jthacker@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry if I didn't provide enough detail, but I'm using a MAC, Espon 3880 UC, and Ilford Multigrade Fiber glossy. Thanks
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jthacker@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm just getting started and trying to find a source for QTR profiles used for creating digital negatives. In particular, I want to tackle silver gelatin first. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


 

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>
> May I ask what sort of density range it achieves on a carbon print and if you have to truncate the curve to a suitable density range in photoshop or have it truncated for you by inkjetmall people?
> 
> Thanks
> David
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: SandyK <sanking@...>
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 12:16 PM
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: "starter profiles" for digital negatives
>  
> 
> Â  
> Actually you can use the 3800/3800 to make both digital negatives and K7 Piezography prints on paper by means of different profiles, and switching out a couple of the inks in the system. 
> 
> "This update is a way to use both Piezography Digital Negative and the Piezography K7 printing systems together by swapping out two ink positions and using newly reorganized QTR curves when one wants to make digital negatives â€" and then swapping back in the two original Piezography ink positions in order to make prints."
> 
> You can basically switch the inks with a couple of power cleaning. The switch does waste some ink, but gives you the flexibility of making high quality K7 monochrome prints and digital negatives.
> 
> What you lose, obviously, is the ability to make color prints.
> 
> Sandy
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jthacker@> wrote:
> >
> > Very interesting and appealing, I will investigate but not sure I can totally dedicate my 3800 to digital negatives.
> > John
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "SandyK" <sanking@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you are able to dedicate the printer to digital negatives I would recommend Jon Cone's Digital Negative Methodology #3. I have installed this inkset on my Epson 3800 and am getting negatives for carbon printing that are much freer of artifacts than I was ever able to get with the Epson K3 ink set.
> > > 
> > > http://www.piezography.com/PiezoPress/blog/piezography-digital-negative-update/
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Sandy 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jthacker@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry if I didn't provide enough detail, but I'm using a MAC, Espon 3880 UC, and Ilford Multigrade Fiber glossy. Thanks
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> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jthacker@> wrote:
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> > > > > I'm just getting started and trying to find a source for QTR profiles used for creating digital negatives. In particular, I want to tackle silver gelatin first. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.
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