QTR-Quadtone RIP

Hello, I tried a test print using Quadtone Rip on a Epson 2200 and on a 
Epson 4000 printer.  The print from the 4000 printer is beautiful and 
the print from the 2200 is pretty bad.  I am confused why I am getting 
such different outputs from these two printers.  

Everything I have read seems to indicate that I can use the Epson 2200 
as a B&W printer using QuadTone Rip.  The settings are the same on both 
printers in the GUI.  I am using Epson Enhanced Matte and the curve I 
am using is UC-EEnhMatte-cool.

Is it possible that Quadtone Rip does not like Epson's Matte ink?  
Should I switch to the Photo Black ink?  I was hoping to make the Epson 
2200 a dedicated B&W printers using a CIS system of some sort but if 
the results don't improve the printer will be on eBay soon.

Thanks in advance.
Mark

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "markrewald" <markrewald@...> wrote:
>
> I was hoping to make the Epson 
> 2200 a dedicated B&W printers using a CIS system of some sort but if 
> the results don't improve the printer will be on eBay soon.
> 


I have used the 2100 and get some great results. I used a paper that
does not have curves supplied for it, so created my own using the
procedure given in the docs, just using a scanner, and it worked fine.
So there should be nothing wrong with the printer model, but either
your specific printer, the curves used or something else.

Steve

What do you mean by "pretty bad"?
For different printers you have to use the correct Printer Model and profiles
for that printer.  The 4000 has more profiles.   You ought to be blending cool
and warm to get neutral gray.

Roy

On 6/18/07, markrewald <markrewald@...> wrote:
> Hello, I tried a test print using Quadtone Rip on a Epson 2200 and on a
> Epson 4000 printer.  The print from the 4000 printer is beautiful and
> the print from the 2200 is pretty bad.  I am confused why I am getting
> such different outputs from these two printers.
>
> Everything I have read seems to indicate that I can use the Epson 2200
> as a B&W printer using QuadTone Rip.  The settings are the same on both
> printers in the GUI.  I am using Epson Enhanced Matte and the curve I
> am using is UC-EEnhMatte-cool.
>
> Is it possible that Quadtone Rip does not like Epson's Matte ink?
> Should I switch to the Photo Black ink?  I was hoping to make the Epson
> 2200 a dedicated B&W printers using a CIS system of some sort but if
> the results don't improve the printer will be on eBay soon.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

I was using the profile for the 2200 and it was retty bad coming off
the 2200.  The contrast is pretty bad.  Like it forgets to add any
gray.  Shadow detail was nonexistent as well.  I was running a 2.5
version while doing the print.  I uninstalled that version and I am
plan on trying an older version of QTR to see maybe that was the issue.

I loved the print off of the 4000 (of course using the profile for the
4000).  It look almost better then what I could have done with it in a
wet darkroom.  So I am really thrilled with your product.  Just
wondering what on earth is going on with the 2200 printer.

Thanks for replying back!

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington" <roy@...> wrote:
>
> What do you mean by "pretty bad"?
> For different printers you have to use the correct Printer Model and
profiles
> for that printer.  The 4000 has more profiles.   You ought to be
blending cool
> and warm to get neutral gray.
> 
> Roy
> 
> On 6/18/07, markrewald <markrewald@...> wrote:
> > Hello, I tried a test print using Quadtone Rip on a Epson 2200 and
on a
> > Epson 4000 printer.  The print from the 4000 printer is beautiful and
> > the print from the 2200 is pretty bad.  I am confused why I am getting
> > such different outputs from these two printers.
> >
> > Everything I have read seems to indicate that I can use the Epson 2200
> > as a B&W printer using QuadTone Rip.  The settings are the same on
both
> > printers in the GUI.  I am using Epson Enhanced Matte and the curve I
> > am using is UC-EEnhMatte-cool.
> >
> > Is it possible that Quadtone Rip does not like Epson's Matte ink?
> > Should I switch to the Photo Black ink?  I was hoping to make the
Epson

> > 2200 a dedicated B&W printers using a CIS system of some sort but if
> > the results don't improve the printer will be on eBay soon.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Are you out of ink in a slot?

Roy

On Wednesday, June 20, 2007, at 03:47  PM, markrewald wrote:

> I was using the profile for the 2200 and it was retty bad coming off
> the 2200.  The contrast is pretty bad.  Like it forgets to add any
> gray.  Shadow detail was nonexistent as well.  I was running a 2.5
> version while doing the print.  I uninstalled that version and I am
> plan on trying an older version of QTR to see maybe that was the issue.
>
> I loved the print off of the 4000 (of course using the profile for the
> 4000).  It look almost better then what I could have done with it in a
> wet darkroom.  So I am really thrilled with your product.  Just
> wondering what on earth is going on with the 2200 printer.
>
> Thanks for replying back!
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington" <roy@...> wrote:
>>
>> What do you mean by "pretty bad"?
>> For different printers you have to use the correct Printer Model and
> profiles
>> for that printer.  The 4000 has more profiles.   You ought to be
> blending cool
>> and warm to get neutral gray.
>>
>> Roy
>>
>> On 6/18/07, markrewald <markrewald@...> wrote:
>>> Hello, I tried a test print using Quadtone Rip on a Epson 2200 and
> on a
>>> Epson 4000 printer.  The print from the 4000 printer is beautiful and
>>> the print from the 2200 is pretty bad.  I am confused why I am 
>>> getting
>>> such different outputs from these two printers.
>>>
>>> Everything I have read seems to indicate that I can use the Epson 
>>> 2200
>>> as a B&W printer using QuadTone Rip.  The settings are the same on
> both
>>> printers in the GUI.  I am using Epson Enhanced Matte and the curve I
>>> am using is UC-EEnhMatte-cool.
>>>
>>> Is it possible that Quadtone Rip does not like Epson's Matte ink?
>>> Should I switch to the Photo Black ink?  I was hoping to make the
> Epson
>>> 2200 a dedicated B&W printers using a CIS system of some sort but if
>>> the results don't improve the printer will be on eBay soon.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
-
Roy Harrington
roy@...
Black & White Photo Gallery
http://www.harrington.com

All cartridges are working levels.  The lt. Cyan was reporting 10%
remaining.  Would 10% remaining in a cartridge affect the performance
of the print job???

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:
>
> Are you out of ink in a slot?
> 
> Roy
> 
> On Wednesday, June 20, 2007, at 03:47  PM, markrewald wrote:
> 
> > I was using the profile for the 2200 and it was retty bad coming off
> > the 2200.  The contrast is pretty bad.  Like it forgets to add any
> > gray.  Shadow detail was nonexistent as well.  I was running a 2.5
> > version while doing the print.  I uninstalled that version and I am
> > plan on trying an older version of QTR to see maybe that was the
issue.
> >
> > I loved the print off of the 4000 (of course using the profile for the
> > 4000).  It look almost better then what I could have done with it in a
> > wet darkroom.  So I am really thrilled with your product.  Just
> > wondering what on earth is going on with the 2200 printer.
> >
> > Thanks for replying back!
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington" <roy@> wrote:
> >>
> >> What do you mean by "pretty bad"?
> >> For different printers you have to use the correct Printer Model and
> > profiles
> >> for that printer.  The 4000 has more profiles.   You ought to be
> > blending cool
> >> and warm to get neutral gray.
> >>
> >> Roy
> >>
> >> On 6/18/07, markrewald <markrewald@> wrote:
> >>> Hello, I tried a test print using Quadtone Rip on a Epson 2200 and
> > on a
> >>> Epson 4000 printer.  The print from the 4000 printer is
beautiful and
> >>> the print from the 2200 is pretty bad.  I am confused why I am 
> >>> getting
> >>> such different outputs from these two printers.
> >>>
> >>> Everything I have read seems to indicate that I can use the Epson 
> >>> 2200
> >>> as a B&W printer using QuadTone Rip.  The settings are the same on
> > both
> >>> printers in the GUI.  I am using Epson Enhanced Matte and the
curve I

> >>> am using is UC-EEnhMatte-cool.
> >>>
> >>> Is it possible that Quadtone Rip does not like Epson's Matte ink?
> >>> Should I switch to the Photo Black ink?  I was hoping to make the
> > Epson
> >>> 2200 a dedicated B&W printers using a CIS system of some sort but if
> >>> the results don't improve the printer will be on eBay soon.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance.
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> -
> Roy Harrington
> roy@...
> Black & White Photo Gallery
> http://www.harrington.com
>

You need to do a nozzle check to see if the ink is really coming out.
It could be clogged or the 10% number is wrong.

Roy

On Thursday, June 21, 2007, at 05:44  AM, markrewald wrote:

> All cartridges are working levels.  The lt. Cyan was reporting 10%
> remaining.  Would 10% remaining in a cartridge affect the performance
> of the print job???
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:
>>
>> Are you out of ink in a slot?
>>
>> Roy
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 20, 2007, at 03:47  PM, markrewald wrote:
>>
>>> I was using the profile for the 2200 and it was retty bad coming off
>>> the 2200.  The contrast is pretty bad.  Like it forgets to add any
>>> gray.  Shadow detail was nonexistent as well.  I was running a 2.5
>>> version while doing the print.  I uninstalled that version and I am
>>> plan on trying an older version of QTR to see maybe that was the
> issue.
>>>
>>> I loved the print off of the 4000 (of course using the profile for 
>>> the
>>> 4000).  It look almost better then what I could have done with it in 
>>> a
>>> wet darkroom.  So I am really thrilled with your product.  Just
>>> wondering what on earth is going on with the 2200 printer.
>>>
>>> Thanks for replying back!
>>>
>>> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington" <roy@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean by "pretty bad"?
>>>> For different printers you have to use the correct Printer Model and
>>> profiles
>>>> for that printer.  The 4000 has more profiles.   You ought to be
>>> blending cool
>>>> and warm to get neutral gray.
>>>>
>>>> Roy
>>>>
>>>> On 6/18/07, markrewald <markrewald@> wrote:
>>>>> Hello, I tried a test print using Quadtone Rip on a Epson 2200 and
>>> on a
>>>>> Epson 4000 printer.  The print from the 4000 printer is
> beautiful and
>>>>> the print from the 2200 is pretty bad.  I am confused why I am
>>>>> getting
>>>>> such different outputs from these two printers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything I have read seems to indicate that I can use the Epson
>>>>> 2200
>>>>> as a B&W printer using QuadTone Rip.  The settings are the same on
>>> both
>>>>> printers in the GUI.  I am using Epson Enhanced Matte and the
> curve I
>>>>> am using is UC-EEnhMatte-cool.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible that Quadtone Rip does not like Epson's Matte ink?
>>>>> Should I switch to the Photo Black ink?  I was hoping to make the
>>> Epson
>>>>> 2200 a dedicated B&W printers using a CIS system of some sort but 
>>>>> if
>>>>> the results don't improve the printer will be on eBay soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> -
>> Roy Harrington
>> roy@...
>> Black & White Photo Gallery
>> http://www.harrington.com
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
-
Roy Harrington
roy@...
Black & White Photo Gallery
http://www.harrington.com

Markrewald writes:

< All cartridges are working levels. The lt. Cyan was reporting 10% 
remaining. Would 10% remaining in a cartridge affect the performance 
of the print job??? >

You need to be aware of the possibilities of clogs and do a nozzle 
check on a periodic basis. Anytime something seems amiss, first 
assume that you have a clogged nozzle and do a cleaning cycle if you 
have an interrupted pattern appear on the test pattern. My hunch 
would be that one of your black cartridges is clogged.

You can run cartridges to nothing and often be OK, especially the 
small cartridges like on the 2200. I know of folks who have thrown 
them away after they start blinking, thus wasting ink unnecessarily. 
It is the larger cartridges, like on the 4000 and up series numbers, 
which sometimes cannot print an uninterrupted test patterns after 
they get low, despite repeated cleaning cycles.

Gary Reese
Quiet Places: A Water Street Art Space
Henderson, NV

I did do a nozzle check and cleaning prior to the prints being
attempted.  I again tried it last night after loading an older version
of QTR on.  Again same very contrasty results.  

it is a very frustrating experience.  The epson 4000 has no issues at
all with the default curves.  

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Reese" <pcacala@...> wrote:

>
> Markrewald writes:
> 
> < All cartridges are working levels. The lt. Cyan was reporting 10% 
> remaining. Would 10% remaining in a cartridge affect the performance 
> of the print job??? >
> 
> You need to be aware of the possibilities of clogs and do a nozzle 
> check on a periodic basis. Anytime something seems amiss, first 
> assume that you have a clogged nozzle and do a cleaning cycle if you 
> have an interrupted pattern appear on the test pattern. My hunch 
> would be that one of your black cartridges is clogged.
> 
> You can run cartridges to nothing and often be OK, especially the 
> small cartridges like on the 2200. I know of folks who have thrown 
> them away after they start blinking, thus wasting ink unnecessarily. 
> It is the larger cartridges, like on the 4000 and up series numbers, 
> which sometimes cannot print an uninterrupted test patterns after 
> they get low, despite repeated cleaning cycles.
> 
> Gary Reese
> Quiet Places: A Water Street Art Space
> Henderson, NV
>

I have had the same issue for many months with my
2200.  I profile my monitor monthly and prints look
fine on screen.  But after printing, it looks like the
contrast has been cranked up 40%.  Very dark.  Shadows
are lost.  I gave up and thought it was me.  Still
could be me.  But at least I'm not alone.
--- markrewald <markrewald@...> wrote:

> I did do a nozzle check and cleaning prior to the
> prints being
> attempted.  I again tried it last night after
> loading an older version
> of QTR on.  Again same very contrasty results.  
> 
> it is a very frustrating experience.  The epson 4000
> has no issues at
> all with the default curves.  
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Reese"
> <pcacala@...> wrote:
> >
> > Markrewald writes:
> > 
> > < All cartridges are working levels. The lt. Cyan
> was reporting 10% 
> > remaining. Would 10% remaining in a cartridge
> affect the performance 
> > of the print job??? >
> > 
> > You need to be aware of the possibilities of clogs
> and do a nozzle 
> > check on a periodic basis. Anytime something seems
> amiss, first 
> > assume that you have a clogged nozzle and do a
> cleaning cycle if you 
> > have an interrupted pattern appear on the test
> pattern. My hunch 
> > would be that one of your black cartridges is
> clogged.
> > 
> > You can run cartridges to nothing and often be OK,
> especially the 
> > small cartridges like on the 2200. I know of folks
> who have thrown 
> > them away after they start blinking, thus wasting
> ink unnecessarily. 
> > It is the larger cartridges, like on the 4000 and
> up series numbers, 
> > which sometimes cannot print an uninterrupted test
> patterns after 
> > they get low, despite repeated cleaning cycles.
> > 
> > Gary Reese
> > Quiet Places: A Water Street Art Space
> > Henderson, NV
> >
> 
> 
> 


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--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "markrewald" <markrewald@...> wrote:
>
> I did do a nozzle check and cleaning prior to the prints being
> attempted.  I again tried it last night after loading an older version
> of QTR on.  Again same very contrasty results.  
> 

How are prints if using the Epson driver?

Steve