QTR-Quadtone RIP

I am looking into the Piezography K7 inkset (for my Epson 4000) which 
is a monochrome inkset with 7 dilutions of black. They tell me the 
inkset will work fine with QTR.  I am wondering if anyone has had any 
experience with this inkset yet, especially how difficult it is to set 
up curves and lineraize with them.  Also, any experience with the 
quality of the images would be great.

Thanks,

Bob

I've been talking to them about K7 as well. The idea
of having to spring for a spectrophotometer to try the
inks doesn't seem like great marketing. Didn't Jon
Cone when he was posting about the K7 set several
weeks ago say that they would be providing QTR
profiles for these inks? 

Guy

--- rdpritchard <rdpritchard@...> wrote:

> I am looking into the Piezography K7 inkset (for my
> Epson 4000) which 
> is a monochrome inkset with 7 dilutions of black.
> They tell me the 
> inkset will work fine with QTR.  I am wondering if
> anyone has had any 
> experience with this inkset yet, especially how
> difficult it is to set 
> up curves and lineraize with them.  Also, any
> experience with the 
> quality of the images would be great.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bob
> 
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The K7 inks have been available for test on the 2200.  The inks will be
available for the 4000.  The profiles just take a little while but they
will provide them.  For those who already have a spectrophotometer
I imagine you could get the inks before the profiles are available.
Making your own profiles wouldn't be too difficult if you already have
done that kind of thing.

Roy


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, guy washburn <guido02474@y...> wrote:

> I've been talking to them about K7 as well. The idea
> of having to spring for a spectrophotometer to try the
> inks doesn't seem like great marketing. Didn't Jon
> Cone when he was posting about the K7 set several
> weeks ago say that they would be providing QTR
> profiles for these inks? 
> 
> Guy
> 
> --- rdpritchard <rdpritchard@g...> wrote:
> 
> > I am looking into the Piezography K7 inkset (for my
> > Epson 4000) which 
> > is a monochrome inkset with 7 dilutions of black.
> > They tell me the 
> > inkset will work fine with QTR.  I am wondering if
> > anyone has had any 
> > experience with this inkset yet, especially how
> > difficult it is to set 
> > up curves and lineraize with them.  Also, any
> > experience with the 
> > quality of the images would be great.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Bob
> >

Hi Roy,

From the communication I had with Inkjetmall they said
there were no QTR curves and that the only way to get
them would be to get a densitometer (and offered to
sell me one) and do it my self. There was no mention
of curves to be delivered later.

While at some point I certainly see an OneEye in my
future it does put up quite a barrier to try them if
you don't already one a densitometer. What if you
don't like the ink tone? Will they refund the
densitometer? I don't think so. 

I think we all want good access to high quality third
party inks. Epson has a real good contender for the
mainstream market with the K3 inks and existing
support for legacy inks. To continue to thrive the 3rd
party vendors are going to have to make it easy for
new customers to try their products. MIS does a fairly
good job here (at least with Paul's curves -- they too
seem to be missing the QTR boat), MediaStreet seems to
be going in the right direction. Cone and Inkjetmall
after making such a big point of how they will be used
with QTR and then not delivering curves are not even
out of the blocks.

Guy


--- Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:

> 
> The K7 inks have been available for test on the
> 2200.  The inks will be
> available for the 4000.  The profiles just take a
> little while but they
> will provide them.  For those who already have a
> spectrophotometer
> I imagine you could get the inks before the profiles
> are available.
> Making your own profiles wouldn't be too difficult
> if you already have
> done that kind of thing.
> 
> Roy
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, guy washburn
> <guido02474@y...> wrote:
> > I've been talking to them about K7 as well. The
> idea
> > of having to spring for a spectrophotometer to try
> the
> > inks doesn't seem like great marketing. Didn't Jon
> > Cone when he was posting about the K7 set several
> > weeks ago say that they would be providing QTR
> > profiles for these inks? 
> > 
> > Guy
> > 
> > --- rdpritchard <rdpritchard@g...> wrote:
> > 
> > > I am looking into the Piezography K7 inkset (for
> my
> > > Epson 4000) which 
> > > is a monochrome inkset with 7 dilutions of
> black.
> > > They tell me the 
> > > inkset will work fine with QTR.  I am wondering
> if
> > > anyone has had any 
> > > experience with this inkset yet, especially how
> > > difficult it is to set 
> > > up curves and lineraize with them.  Also, any
> > > experience with the 
> > > quality of the images would be great.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Bob
> > > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, guy washburn <guido02474@y...> wrote:
> Hi Roy,
> 
> From the communication I had with Inkjetmall they said
> there were no QTR curves and that the only way to get
> them would be to get a densitometer (and offered to
> sell me one) and do it my self. There was no mention
> of curves to be delivered later.

Hi Guy,

I don't speak for InkJetMall.   But as far as I know the 4000 carts
are just barely if at all available.  No doubt they get a lot of calls
about anything new so they are just offering what they have.

> 
> While at some point I certainly see an OneEye in my
> future it does put up quite a barrier to try them if
> you don't already one a densitometer. What if you
> don't like the ink tone? Will they refund the
> densitometer? I don't think so. 

Getting into the whole custom profiles scene with a densitometer
is no doubt a major investment.  I wouldn't do it JUST to try some
inks but it does raise your whole capability and possibilites for both 
color and B&W printing.

I've seen the inks on a 2200 and would say they are certainly a
very nice tone but you're right that everyone has their own idea
of the ideal tone.  If you have access to a 2200 this might be a
good way to ease into the decision of whether you like the inks.

> 
> I think we all want good access to high quality third
> party inks. Epson has a real good contender for the
> mainstream market with the K3 inks and existing
> support for legacy inks. To continue to thrive the 3rd
> party vendors are going to have to make it easy for
> new customers to try their products. MIS does a fairly
> good job here (at least with Paul's curves -- they too
> seem to be missing the QTR boat), MediaStreet seems to
> be going in the right direction. Cone and Inkjetmall
> after making such a big point of how they will be used
> with QTR and then not delivering curves are not even
> out of the blocks.
> 
> Guy

The main issue with curves/profiles is just that there are so many
combinations.  The more standardized the inks the more
likely there are profiles for them because more people use them.  
Each of the ink suppliers have a different approach.  
MIS with Paul's help has mainly concentrated on
inks designed for the Epson driver.  The other two have inks that
require a RIP of some sort hence they use QTR.

Roy

> 
> 
> --- Roy Harrington <roy@h...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > The K7 inks have been available for test on the
> > 2200.  The inks will be
> > available for the 4000.  The profiles just take a
> > little while but they
> > will provide them.  For those who already have a
> > spectrophotometer
> > I imagine you could get the inks before the profiles
> > are available.
> > Making your own profiles wouldn't be too difficult
> > if you already have
> > done that kind of thing.
> > 
> > Roy
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, guy washburn
> > <guido02474@y...> wrote:
> > > I've been talking to them about K7 as well. The
> > idea
> > > of having to spring for a spectrophotometer to try
> > the
> > > inks doesn't seem like great marketing. Didn't Jon
> > > Cone when he was posting about the K7 set several
> > > weeks ago say that they would be providing QTR
> > > profiles for these inks? 
> > > 
> > > Guy
> > >

I also talked with the folks at InkJet mall.  The K7 carts are 
available for the 4000 ($525 a set if memory serves).  They do indeed 
say QTR is the software to use with these inks.  When I asked about 
them providing QTR curves, they said it was "not difficult" for me to 
do them using QTR with my spectro.

Hmmm, wondering if I should spring for the new inks.

Bob

 
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington" <roy@h...> wrote:
> 
> The K7 inks have been available for test on the 2200.  The inks 
will be
> available for the 4000.  The profiles just take a little while but 
they
> will provide them.  For those who already have a spectrophotometer
> I imagine you could get the inks before the profiles are available.
> Making your own profiles wouldn't be too difficult if you already 
have
> done that kind of thing.
> 
> Roy
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, guy washburn <guido02474@y...> 
wrote:

> > I've been talking to them about K7 as well. The idea
> > of having to spring for a spectrophotometer to try the
> > inks doesn't seem like great marketing. Didn't Jon
> > Cone when he was posting about the K7 set several
> > weeks ago say that they would be providing QTR
> > profiles for these inks? 
> > 
> > Guy
> > 
> > --- rdpritchard <rdpritchard@g...> wrote:
> > 
> > > I am looking into the Piezography K7 inkset (for my
> > > Epson 4000) which 
> > > is a monochrome inkset with 7 dilutions of black.
> > > They tell me the 
> > > inkset will work fine with QTR.  I am wondering if
> > > anyone has had any 
> > > experience with this inkset yet, especially how
> > > difficult it is to set 
> > > up curves and lineraize with them.  Also, any
> > > experience with the 
> > > quality of the images would be great.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Bob
> > >

Guy:
Do you know how to access the discussion on these inks by John Cone? 
I tried searching for K7 and for John Cone and couldn't find the 
thread.

Thanks,

Bob

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, guy washburn <guido02474@y...> 
wrote:

> I've been talking to them about K7 as well. The idea
> of having to spring for a spectrophotometer to try the
> inks doesn't seem like great marketing. Didn't Jon
> Cone when he was posting about the K7 set several
> weeks ago say that they would be providing QTR
> profiles for these inks? 
> 
> Guy
> 
> --- rdpritchard <rdpritchard@g...> wrote:
> 
> > I am looking into the Piezography K7 inkset (for my
> > Epson 4000) which 
> > is a monochrome inkset with 7 dilutions of black.
> > They tell me the 
> > inkset will work fine with QTR.  I am wondering if
> > anyone has had any 
> > experience with this inkset yet, especially how
> > difficult it is to set 
> > up curves and lineraize with them.  Also, any
> > experience with the 
> > quality of the images would be great.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Bob
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> >     QuadtoneRIP-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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Bob,

It was on the Digital B&W list.

Guy

--- rdpritchard <rdpritchard@...> wrote:

> Guy:
> Do you know how to access the discussion on these
> inks by John Cone? 
> I tried searching for K7 and for John Cone and
> couldn't find the 
> thread.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bob
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, guy washburn
> <guido02474@y...> 
> wrote:
> > I've been talking to them about K7 as well. The
> idea
> > of having to spring for a spectrophotometer to try
> the
> > inks doesn't seem like great marketing. Didn't Jon
> > Cone when he was posting about the K7 set several
> > weeks ago say that they would be providing QTR
> > profiles for these inks? 
> > 
> > Guy
> > 
> > --- rdpritchard <rdpritchard@g...> wrote:
> > 
> > > I am looking into the Piezography K7 inkset (for
> my
> > > Epson 4000) which 
> > > is a monochrome inkset with 7 dilutions of
> black.
> > > They tell me the 
> > > inkset will work fine with QTR.  I am wondering
> if
> > > anyone has had any 
> > > experience with this inkset yet, especially how
> > > difficult it is to set 
> > > up curves and lineraize with them.  Also, any
> > > experience with the 
> > > quality of the images would be great.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Bob
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > 
> > > 
> > >     QuadtoneRIP-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
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-------------- Original message -------------- 
Guy:
Do you know how to access the discussion on these inks by John Cone? 
I tried searching for K7 and for John Cone and couldn't find the 
thread.

Thanks,

Bob

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, guy washburn <guido02474@y...> 
wrote:
> I've been talking to them about K7 as well. The idea
> of having to spring for a spectrophotometer to try the
> inks doesn't seem like great marketing. Didn't Jon
> Cone when he was posting about the K7 set several
> weeks ago say that they would be providing QTR
> profiles for these inks? 
> 
> Guy
> 
> --- rdpritchard <rdpritchard@g...> wrote:
> 
> > I am looking into the Piezography K7 inkset (for my
> > Epson 4000) which 
> > is a monochrome inkset with 7 dilutions of black.
> > They tell me the 
> > inkset will work fine with QTR.  I am wondering if
> > anyone has had any 
> > experience with this inkset yet, especially how
> > difficult it is to set 
> > up curves and lineraize with them.  Also, any
> > experience with the 
> > quality of the images would be great.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Bob
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> >     QuadtoneRIP-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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