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Epson 3880, QT Rip and custom profiles.

Epson 3880, QT Rip and custom profiles.

2011-04-11 by douvidl

I am following the tutorial from Mr. Diallo and am trying to do my custom curve.  Right now I am on step five of the custom curve workflow and have some questions. Probably very obvious to you all experts but dumbfounding to this newbie.

1.  What means "untagged"
2.  How large a target do you print?
3.  should the target be printed on the paper that is being profiled? I assume I can print 4 targets at the same time.
4.  I am using the data color spyder 3 print spectro thingy and program.  will that work?

I am enthralled with the QT Rip. and need to make sure my curves are curvey and wonderful.  So, any advice would be very appreciated.

I am doing Canson Infinity Platine paper. Next is Ilford Gold Fibre Silk.

Thanks 
David Mendelow  dhm67@...

Re: Epson 3880, QT Rip and custom profiles.

2011-04-12 by Robert

hi dave, 

I was in your boat about a month ago so i know that it can be frustrating at times, but once you start to figure it out it will make more sense. I am definitely still new at this, as i have only created one set of curves for canson baryta (one at 1440 and one at 2880), but i will try and help you out.  

1. Untagged means that photoshop will not apply a profile to the document. When you open this document photoshop will ask what you want to do and you should leave as is(don't color manage)

2. I use 8.5x11 paper in landscape view and i will leave the size as is. 

*I hope that someone will comment on this because i don't know how much of a  difference, if at all it would make if you resize the document. I know they are 360dpi which is supposed to be the ideal setting for epson printers so i just left them as is. 

3. your gonna want to use the same paper for the targets that you are creating a curve for. I usually use separate sheets but i guess you could print more than one on the same sheet.

*I bought a box of 8.5x11 paper and all the targets, test prints and notes will remain inside that box. That way it's always handy to go back to and reference.   

4. I am using a datacolor spectro as well and it will work. You may want to read Building qtr profiles with macs_v4 (you'll find it in the files/docs on the qtr group page). It's geared towards building curves using hextone grayscale inks and reading the ink separation 8 target, but he uses a datacolor spectro and i found his settings in the software to work. 

*I used this set of instructions, and Mr. Diallo's paper to come up with a working method.  


p.s. i started with level 3 in Diallo's paper which is creating a custom curve and it made a difference, but then i set the ink limits and crossovers, which is the last level (level 4 in his paper) i saw a big enough difference that i started over since this must precede curve building. 

Good luck and i hope that i helped.  

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "douvidl" <dhm67@...> wrote:
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> I am following the tutorial from Mr. Diallo and am trying to do my custom curve.  Right now I am on step five of the custom curve workflow and have some questions. Probably very obvious to you all experts but dumbfounding to this newbie.
> 
> 1.  What means "untagged"
> 2.  How large a target do you print?
> 3.  should the target be printed on the paper that is being profiled? I assume I can print 4 targets at the same time.
> 4.  I am using the data color spyder 3 print spectro thingy and program.  will that work?
> 
> I am enthralled with the QT Rip. and need to make sure my curves are curvey and wonderful.  So, any advice would be very appreciated.
> 
> I am doing Canson Infinity Platine paper. Next is Ilford Gold Fibre Silk.
> 
> Thanks 
> David Mendelow  dhm67@...
>

Re: Epson 3880, QT Rip and custom profiles.

2011-04-15 by douvidl

ROBERT;
thanks for the response and encouragement.
David

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <rkamand@...> wrote:
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> hi dave, 
> 
> I was in your boat about a month ago so i know that it can be frustrating at times, but once you start to figure it out it will make more sense. I am definitely still new at this, as i have only created one set of curves for canson baryta (one at 1440 and one at 2880), but i will try and help you out.  
> 
> 1. Untagged means that photoshop will not apply a profile to the document. When you open this document photoshop will ask what you want to do and you should leave as is(don't color manage)
> 
> 2. I use 8.5x11 paper in landscape view and i will leave the size as is. 
> 
> *I hope that someone will comment on this because i don't know how much of a  difference, if at all it would make if you resize the document. I know they are 360dpi which is supposed to be the ideal setting for epson printers so i just left them as is. 
> 
> 3. your gonna want to use the same paper for the targets that you are creating a curve for. I usually use separate sheets but i guess you could print more than one on the same sheet.
> 
> *I bought a box of 8.5x11 paper and all the targets, test prints and notes will remain inside that box. That way it's always handy to go back to and reference.   
> 
> 4. I am using a datacolor spectro as well and it will work. You may want to read Building qtr profiles with macs_v4 (you'll find it in the files/docs on the qtr group page). It's geared towards building curves using hextone grayscale inks and reading the ink separation 8 target, but he uses a datacolor spectro and i found his settings in the software to work. 
> 
> *I used this set of instructions, and Mr. Diallo's paper to come up with a working method.  
> 
> 
> p.s. i started with level 3 in Diallo's paper which is creating a custom curve and it made a difference, but then i set the ink limits and crossovers, which is the last level (level 4 in his paper) i saw a big enough difference that i started over since this must precede curve building. 
> 
> Good luck and i hope that i helped.  
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "douvidl" <dhm67@> wrote:
> >
> > I am following the tutorial from Mr. Diallo and am trying to do my custom curve.  Right now I am on step five of the custom curve workflow and have some questions. Probably very obvious to you all experts but dumbfounding to this newbie.
> > 
> > 1.  What means "untagged"
> > 2.  How large a target do you print?
> > 3.  should the target be printed on the paper that is being profiled? I assume I can print 4 targets at the same time.
> > 4.  I am using the data color spyder 3 print spectro thingy and program.  will that work?
> > 
> > I am enthralled with the QT Rip. and need to make sure my curves are curvey and wonderful.  So, any advice would be very appreciated.
> > 
> > I am doing Canson Infinity Platine paper. Next is Ilford Gold Fibre Silk.
> > 
> > Thanks 
> > David Mendelow  dhm67@
> >
>

Re: Epson 3880, QT Rip and custom profiles.

2011-04-16 by Frank

Every set of instructions on printing profiles that I have seen says do NOT change the size of the target. Theu usually will give you the exact dimemsions the printed target should have and tell you to re-print if the size of the printed target is different. Also do not change the ppi.

Re: Epson 3880, QT Rip and custom profiles.

2011-04-16 by douvidl

Robert.
I have followed Mr. Diallo workflow for custom curves  and am at the point where he says to "drop the linearization numbers into the QTR linear app".  It is magic speak.  How do you drop numbers into an app and once its there how do you make it work.  

Apparently the app linearizes the data so that it is smooth from black to white.  But once you have done that, how do you get the data in the "curve" one has set up in an earlier step.  

I feel like i am close but far away and Mr. Diallo's description of steps need some work.

So, any help would be appreciated.

David

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <rkamand@...> wrote:
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> 
> hi dave, 
> 
> I was in your boat about a month ago so i know that it can be frustrating at times, but once you start to figure it out it will make more sense. I am definitely still new at this, as i have only created one set of curves for canson baryta (one at 1440 and one at 2880), but i will try and help you out.  
> 
> 1. Untagged means that photoshop will not apply a profile to the document. When you open this document photoshop will ask what you want to do and you should leave as is(don't color manage)
> 
> 2. I use 8.5x11 paper in landscape view and i will leave the size as is. 
> 
> *I hope that someone will comment on this because i don't know how much of a  difference, if at all it would make if you resize the document. I know they are 360dpi which is supposed to be the ideal setting for epson printers so i just left them as is. 
> 
> 3. your gonna want to use the same paper for the targets that you are creating a curve for. I usually use separate sheets but i guess you could print more than one on the same sheet.
> 
> *I bought a box of 8.5x11 paper and all the targets, test prints and notes will remain inside that box. That way it's always handy to go back to and reference.   
> 
> 4. I am using a datacolor spectro as well and it will work. You may want to read Building qtr profiles with macs_v4 (you'll find it in the files/docs on the qtr group page). It's geared towards building curves using hextone grayscale inks and reading the ink separation 8 target, but he uses a datacolor spectro and i found his settings in the software to work. 
> 
> *I used this set of instructions, and Mr. Diallo's paper to come up with a working method.  
> 
> 
> p.s. i started with level 3 in Diallo's paper which is creating a custom curve and it made a difference, but then i set the ink limits and crossovers, which is the last level (level 4 in his paper) i saw a big enough difference that i started over since this must precede curve building. 
> 
> Good luck and i hope that i helped.  
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "douvidl" <dhm67@> wrote:
> >
> > I am following the tutorial from Mr. Diallo and am trying to do my custom curve.  Right now I am on step five of the custom curve workflow and have some questions. Probably very obvious to you all experts but dumbfounding to this newbie.
> > 
> > 1.  What means "untagged"
> > 2.  How large a target do you print?
> > 3.  should the target be printed on the paper that is being profiled? I assume I can print 4 targets at the same time.
> > 4.  I am using the data color spyder 3 print spectro thingy and program.  will that work?
> > 
> > I am enthralled with the QT Rip. and need to make sure my curves are curvey and wonderful.  So, any advice would be very appreciated.
> > 
> > I am doing Canson Infinity Platine paper. Next is Ilford Gold Fibre Silk.
> > 
> > Thanks 
> > David Mendelow  dhm67@
> >
>

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Epson 3880, QT Rip and custom profiles.

2011-04-16 by John Labovitz

It's fairly literal, and refers to the Mac's drag-and-drop technology.

	1. Set up your Finder windows so you can see both the linearization measurement file (as read/saved from your spectro) and the QTR-Linearize-Data application (which is in your /Applications/QuadToneRIP folder).  You can do that by having the two windows side-by-side on the screen, or you can first drag the QTR-Linearize-Data application to your dock so you always have the icon available.

	2. Drag the measurement file on top of the QTR-Linearize-Data icon.  The latter's icon will highlight (get darker).  Let go of the mouse.  The measurement file will not be moved, but rather just opened by the application.

	3. Shortly, you will see a small window appear with text of numbers and a version of the final curve.

	4. Scroll to the bottom of that window to find the line that starts with "LINEARIZE=...".

	5. Copy that entire line (ie, with your mouse) and close the window.

	6. Paste the line into your QTR profile file, at the end of the file.

	7. Install the now-linearized profile using the "Install...cmd" script in the profile directory.

Hope this helps.

--John
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On 16 Apr 2011, at 6:02 AM, douvidl wrote:

> Robert.
> I have followed Mr. Diallo workflow for custom curves  and am at the point where he says to "drop the linearization numbers into the QTR linear app".  It is magic speak.  How do you drop numbers into an app and once its there how do you make it work.  
> 
> Apparently the app linearizes the data so that it is smooth from black to white.  But once you have done that, how do you get the data in the "curve" one has set up in an earlier step.  
> 
> I feel like i am close but far away and Mr. Diallo's description of steps need some work.
> 
> So, any help would be appreciated.
> 
> David
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <rkamand@...> wrote:
>> 
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>> 
>> hi dave, 
>> 
>> I was in your boat about a month ago so i know that it can be frustrating at times, but once you start to figure it out it will make more sense. I am definitely still new at this, as i have only created one set of curves for canson baryta (one at 1440 and one at 2880), but i will try and help you out.  
>> 
>> 1. Untagged means that photoshop will not apply a profile to the document. When you open this document photoshop will ask what you want to do and you should leave as is(don't color manage)
>> 
>> 2. I use 8.5x11 paper in landscape view and i will leave the size as is. 
>> 
>> *I hope that someone will comment on this because i don't know how much of a  difference, if at all it would make if you resize the document. I know they are 360dpi which is supposed to be the ideal setting for epson printers so i just left them as is. 
>> 
>> 3. your gonna want to use the same paper for the targets that you are creating a curve for. I usually use separate sheets but i guess you could print more than one on the same sheet.
>> 
>> *I bought a box of 8.5x11 paper and all the targets, test prints and notes will remain inside that box. That way it's always handy to go back to and reference.   
>> 
>> 4. I am using a datacolor spectro as well and it will work. You may want to read Building qtr profiles with macs_v4 (you'll find it in the files/docs on the qtr group page). It's geared towards building curves using hextone grayscale inks and reading the ink separation 8 target, but he uses a datacolor spectro and i found his settings in the software to work. 
>> 
>> *I used this set of instructions, and Mr. Diallo's paper to come up with a working method.  
>> 
>> 
>> p.s. i started with level 3 in Diallo's paper which is creating a custom curve and it made a difference, but then i set the ink limits and crossovers, which is the last level (level 4 in his paper) i saw a big enough difference that i started over since this must precede curve building. 
>> 
>> Good luck and i hope that i helped.  
>> 
>> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "douvidl" <dhm67@> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am following the tutorial from Mr. Diallo and am trying to do my custom curve.  Right now I am on step five of the custom curve workflow and have some questions. Probably very obvious to you all experts but dumbfounding to this newbie.
>>> 
>>> 1.  What means "untagged"
>>> 2.  How large a target do you print?
>>> 3.  should the target be printed on the paper that is being profiled? I assume I can print 4 targets at the same time.
>>> 4.  I am using the data color spyder 3 print spectro thingy and program.  will that work?
>>> 
>>> I am enthralled with the QT Rip. and need to make sure my curves are curvey and wonderful.  So, any advice would be very appreciated.
>>> 
>>> I am doing Canson Infinity Platine paper. Next is Ilford Gold Fibre Silk.
>>> 
>>> Thanks 
>>> David Mendelow  dhm67@
>>> 
>> 
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