Akai S1000 / S1100 samplers

Hello everyone,

The S1000 that I have has a broken back light but I'm hoping to get an EL-Foil from midi-rakete in Germany.

I think there is only 1047040 KB of memory (1 meg roughly).

Wouldn't mind expanding the onboard memory.

Not sure what OS is in the ROM (probably v1.0 but I'm not exactly sure how to tell) but I've downloaded the latest OS (v4.40) and manual from AKAI. I just have to get back my USB floppy drive that I lent to a buddy for his Kurz K2000 so I can load the new OS via floppy.

The S1000 has a 50-pin SCSI connection in the rear and I would dearly like to integrate it with my PC via a PCI SCSI card; however, I'm not sure if I can link it directly.

It would be spectacular if I could integrate it directly and not have to get a SCSI HDD (I don't mind creating a separate partition with my existing non-SCSI HDDs strictly for the S1000 but I don't think this is possible).

I'm really excited to use the S1000 -- I've heard so much about them in various interviews and other forums. I look forward to digging into the archives and try to find an answer to my questions.

Cheers,
Joey.

On Jul 27, 2011, at 2:43 PM, "djo3yk" <djo3yk@...> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I'm new to this group. I've DJ'ed for over 10 years and I have just recently gotten really serious about production within the past year.
> 
> A friend of mine, gave me his old S1000 for helping him re-route and connect his studio up (he has an S950 that he currently uses). The S1000 that I have has a broken back light but I'm hoping to get an EL-Foil from midi-rakete in Germany. I think there is only 1047040 KB of memory (1 meg roughly). Wouldn't mind expanding the onboard memory. Not sure what OS is in the ROM (probably v1.0 but I'm not exactly sure how to tell) but I've downloaded the latest OS (v4.40) and manual from AKAI. I just have to get back my USB floppy drive that I lent to a buddy for his Kurz K2000 so I can load the new OS via floppy. The S1000 has a 50-pin SCSI connection in the rear and I would dearly like to integrate it with my PC via a PCI SCSI card; however, I'm not sure if I can link it directly. It would be spectacular if I could integrate it directly and not have to get a SCSI HDD (I don't mind creating a separate partition with my existing non-SCSI HDDs strictly for the S1000 but I don't think this is possible).
> 
> I'm really excited to use the S1000 -- I've heard so much about them in various interviews and other forums. I look forward to digging into the archives and try to find an answer to my questions.
> 
> Cheers,
> Joey.
> 
>

>
> 
> Hi !
> 
>  >>>
> 
> Am 27.07.2011 21:43, schrieb djo3yk:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > The S1000 that I have has a broken back light but I'm hoping to get an 
> > EL-Foil from midi-rakete in Germany.
> >
> 
> You will ...
> 
> > I think there is only 1047040 KB of memory (1 meg roughly).
> >
> 
> That´s weird because minimum RAM in a S-1000 is 1 megaword=2megabyte.
> There  were and are no smaller cards available,- only larger ones w/ 8meg.
> 
> > Wouldn't mind expanding the onboard memory.
> >
> 
> You should !
> 
> > Not sure what OS is in the ROM (probably v1.0 but I'm not exactly sure 
> > how to tell) but I've downloaded the latest OS (v4.40) and manual from 
> > AKAI. I just have to get back my USB floppy drive that I lent to a 
> > buddy for his Kurz K2000 so I can load the new OS via floppy.
> >
> 
> No. You have to create a OS disk 1st which is only possible w/ older 
> Windows 95, 98, 98SE and Win2k.
> 
> There´s a application for this and if IIRR it´s called "Make Disk" (or 
> similar)
> It must be a 720k DOS formattet floppy disk !
> Not possible w/ WinXP or higher.
> 
> > The S1000 has a 50-pin SCSI connection in the rear and I would dearly 
> > like to integrate it with my PC via a PCI SCSI card; however, I'm not 
> > sure if I can link it directly.
> >
> 
> I don´t know what you mean w/ "integrate it w/ my PC", but:
> 
> If you use a SCSI controller card in you PC, be aware there will be no 
> Centronics SCSI 50 connection but 50-pin SCSI MINI.
> So, you´d need a cable,- SCSI MINI 50 > Centronics 50.
> In addition, your PC, Windows and most apps cannot recognize a S-1000,- 
> you´d need a Windows compatible application.
> 
> A SCSI controller card,- I have a Adaptec w/ SCSI MINI 50 for Win 2K OS 
> which runs fine under WinXP too,- is for storage only.
> You´re able to transfer data from S-1000 memory or connected SCSI 
> devices to a harddrive or other media drive connected to the internal 
> SCSI connection of the controller card,- means, inside the PC, there has 
> to be a SCSI device connected to the controller card !
> You cannot use the IDE or SATA drives at all.
> 
> Any other communication between S-1000 and an application being able to 
> recognize S-1000 would be over MIDI,- also your PC needs a MIDI 
> Interface too.
> 
> > It would be spectacular if I could integrate it directly and not have 
> > to get a SCSI HDD (I don't mind creating a separate partition with my 
> > existing non-SCSI HDDs strictly for the S1000 but I don't think this 
> > is possible).
> >
> Impossible,- see above.
> 
> >
> > I'm really excited to use the S1000 -- I've heard so much about them 
> > in various interviews and other forums. I look forward to digging into 
> > the archives and try to find an answer to my questions.
> >
> 
> If you need memory cards, drop mea line.
> Can be I have 1 or 2 left over here,- I own 4 AKAI samplers.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Joey.
> >
> 
> ditto
> 
> PeWe
>

>
> I can help you with the v4.40 OS on Roms and If you have SCSI I can set you.up with a 100 Meg internal zip drive mod.
> 
> www.route66studios.com
> 
> Rish
> 
> Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
> 
> 
> On Jul 27, 2011, at 2:43 PM, "djo3yk" <djo3yk@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hello everyone,
> > 
> > I'm new to this group. I've DJ'ed for over 10 years and I have just recently gotten really serious about production within the past year.
> > 
> > A friend of mine, gave me his old S1000 for helping him re-route and connect his studio up (he has an S950 that he currently uses). The S1000 that I have has a broken back light but I'm hoping to get an EL-Foil from midi-rakete in Germany. I think there is only 1047040 KB of memory (1 meg roughly). Wouldn't mind expanding the onboard memory. Not sure what OS is in the ROM (probably v1.0 but I'm not exactly sure how to tell) but I've downloaded the latest OS (v4.40) and manual from AKAI. I just have to get back my USB floppy drive that I lent to a buddy for his Kurz K2000 so I can load the new OS via floppy. The S1000 has a 50-pin SCSI connection in the rear and I would dearly like to integrate it with my PC via a PCI SCSI card; however, I'm not sure if I can link it directly. It would be spectacular if I could integrate it directly and not have to get a SCSI HDD (I don't mind creating a separate partition with my existing non-SCSI HDDs strictly for the S1000 but I don't think this is possible).
> > 
> > I'm really excited to use the S1000 -- I've heard so much about them in various interviews and other forums. I look forward to digging into the archives and try to find an answer to my questions.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Joey.
> > 
> >
>

Hi PeWe,

Thanks for your response. Really appreciate it.

When I said "I think there is only 1047040 KB of memory (1 meg roughly)". I got that figure from the "free:" indicator from the EDIT SAMPLE page. I assumed it was KB but after reading page 35 in the manual it corresponds to 2 MB.

I will definitely be picking up the EL-Foil soon and upgrading the OS to v4.4

When I said "integrate w/ my PC" I mean I would like to send samples that I have in wav format to the AKAI S1000. I had thought I could get a SCSI HDD 500mb and a SCSI PCI card, connect the HDD to the SCSI PCI via 50 pin SCSI Mini within my PC and then connect the SCSI PCI card to the SCSI connection in the back of the S1000 with a Centronics SCSI 50 cable. That way I was hoping to send samples to the SCSI HDD via the PC and then load the samples from the SCSI HDD using the S1000. I know I have to be careful about concurrent writing/reading (i.e. both writing to the HDD at the same time).

Is there any way to convert existing WAVs into a format AKAI can understand (without shelling lots of money on software converters or using that Chicken software) and then send them to the S100 via MIDI, sysex or something like that. I know it would take a long time, I could run it overnight or something. At least then I could just save those samples to a floppy until I can get SCSI hooked up and working.

I'm also having problems assigning samples that I have recorded into a keygroup so that I can play it from my MIDI controller. I can play the SAWTOOTH, PULSE, SINE and SQUARE fine but not my recorded samples. When I select the samples from the Program that I saved it under it still says 0 samples even though I saved 2 of them to the floppy.

Is there some sort of tutorial for beginners, some of the things in the manual don't seem to apply to my S1000 (I'm running v1.1). For instance I can't find SMP3 from within the SMP2 page.

Super cheers,
Joey.

On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:32 PM, "djo3yk" <djo3yk@...> wrote:

> Hey Rish,
> 
> I can't seem to find your zip drive mod on your route66studios.com site. I was thinking that I could have the v4.40 OS as an image file on a SCSI HDD and it would detect that upon boot and load the OS. But I'm not sure if it'll work.
> 
> Cheers,
> Joey.
> 
> --- In akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, Rish <rish@...> wrote:
> >
> > I can help you with the v4.40 OS on Roms and If you have SCSI I can set you.up with a 100 Meg internal zip drive mod.
> > 
> > www.route66studios.com
> > 
> > Rish
> > 
> > Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
> > 
> > 
> > On Jul 27, 2011, at 2:43 PM, "djo3yk" <djo3yk@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello everyone,
> > > 
> > > I'm new to this group. I've DJ'ed for over 10 years and I have just recently gotten really serious about production within the past year.
> > > 
> > > A friend of mine, gave me his old S1000 for helping him re-route and connect his studio up (he has an S950 that he currently uses). The S1000 that I have has a broken back light but I'm hoping to get an EL-Foil from midi-rakete in Germany. I think there is only 1047040 KB of memory (1 meg roughly). Wouldn't mind expanding the onboard memory. Not sure what OS is in the ROM (probably v1.0 but I'm not exactly sure how to tell) but I've downloaded the latest OS (v4.40) and manual from AKAI. I just have to get back my USB floppy drive that I lent to a buddy for his Kurz K2000 so I can load the new OS via floppy. The S1000 has a 50-pin SCSI connection in the rear and I would dearly like to integrate it with my PC via a PCI SCSI card; however, I'm not sure if I can link it directly. It would be spectacular if I could integrate it directly and not have to get a SCSI HDD (I don't mind creating a separate partition with my existing non-SCSI HDDs strictly for the S1000 but I don't think this is possible).
> > > 
> > > I'm really excited to use the S1000 -- I've heard so much about them in various interviews and other forums. I look forward to digging into the archives and try to find an answer to my questions.
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Joey.
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
>

> I'm not sure thats the way it works, as far as I know.
>
> Rish
>
> Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
>
>

On Jul 28, 2011, at 7:21 AM, PeWe <ha-pewe@gmx.de> wrote:

> If you boot a S-1xxxx series sampler w/ a connected SCSI HD, MOD or Zip (w/ inserted media containing the latest OS) already running,- S-1xxx sampler loads the latest OS from that media overriding the older OS in ROM.
> Same behaviour like it is w/ a floppy disk.
> There´s this "waiting for harddisk ready" message you can skip w/ F7.
> 
> IF the harddisk or any SCSI media drive is "ready" before power up of the S-1xxx sampler, the sampler recognizes the running drive and loads highest OS available on that drive.
> If you power up S-1xxx series sampler before powering up the drive, it doesn´t work.
> 
> SCSI IDs must be set up right for correct operation.
> 
> It´s a idea to have a floppy drive replaced by a zip or MOD though !
> 
> 
> Am 28.07.2011 13:45, schrieb Rish:
> 
>>  
>> I'm not sure thats the way it works, as far as I know.
>> 
>> Rish
>> 
>> Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
>> 
>> 
> 
>

>
> 
> Hi !
> 
>  >>>
> 
> Am 27.07.2011 21:43, schrieb djo3yk:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > The S1000 that I have has a broken back light but I'm hoping to get an 
> > EL-Foil from midi-rakete in Germany.
> >
> 
> You will ...
> 
> > I think there is only 1047040 KB of memory (1 meg roughly).
> >
> 
> That´s weird because minimum RAM in a S-1000 is 1 megaword=2megabyte.
> There  were and are no smaller cards available,- only larger ones w/ 8meg.
> 
> > Wouldn't mind expanding the onboard memory.
> >
> 
> You should !
> 
> > Not sure what OS is in the ROM (probably v1.0 but I'm not exactly sure 
> > how to tell) but I've downloaded the latest OS (v4.40) and manual from 
> > AKAI. I just have to get back my USB floppy drive that I lent to a 
> > buddy for his Kurz K2000 so I can load the new OS via floppy.
> >
> 
> No. You have to create a OS disk 1st which is only possible w/ older 
> Windows 95, 98, 98SE and Win2k.
> 
> There´s a application for this and if IIRR it´s called "Make Disk" (or 
> similar)
> It must be a 720k DOS formattet floppy disk !
> Not possible w/ WinXP or higher.
> 
> > The S1000 has a 50-pin SCSI connection in the rear and I would dearly 
> > like to integrate it with my PC via a PCI SCSI card; however, I'm not 
> > sure if I can link it directly.
> >
> 
> I don´t know what you mean w/ "integrate it w/ my PC", but:
> 
> If you use a SCSI controller card in you PC, be aware there will be no 
> Centronics SCSI 50 connection but 50-pin SCSI MINI.
> So, you´d need a cable,- SCSI MINI 50 > Centronics 50.
> In addition, your PC, Windows and most apps cannot recognize a S-1000,- 
> you´d need a Windows compatible application.
> 
> A SCSI controller card,- I have a Adaptec w/ SCSI MINI 50 for Win 2K OS 
> which runs fine under WinXP too,- is for storage only.
> You´re able to transfer data from S-1000 memory or connected SCSI 
> devices to a harddrive or other media drive connected to the internal 
> SCSI connection of the controller card,- means, inside the PC, there has 
> to be a SCSI device connected to the controller card !
> You cannot use the IDE or SATA drives at all.
> 
> Any other communication between S-1000 and an application being able to 
> recognize S-1000 would be over MIDI,- also your PC needs a MIDI 
> Interface too.
> 
> > It would be spectacular if I could integrate it directly and not have 
> > to get a SCSI HDD (I don't mind creating a separate partition with my 
> > existing non-SCSI HDDs strictly for the S1000 but I don't think this 
> > is possible).
> >
> Impossible,- see above.
> 
> >
> > I'm really excited to use the S1000 -- I've heard so much about them 
> > in various interviews and other forums. I look forward to digging into 
> > the archives and try to find an answer to my questions.
> >
> 
> If you need memory cards, drop mea line.
> Can be I have 1 or 2 left over here,- I own 4 AKAI samplers.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Joey.
> >
> 
> ditto
> 
> PeWe
>

> Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
>
>
>

On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:33 AM, PeWe <ha-pewe@gmx.de> wrote:

> Rish,- I like that line below !!!!
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> Am 28.07.2011 14:47, schrieb Rish:
> 
>>  
>> Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
>

On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:57 PM, PeWe <ha-pewe@...> wrote:

> >>>
> 
> Am 28.07.2011 18:25, schrieb Rish:
> 
>>  
>> Thanks bro! I came up with it myself and was thinking of working it into a tattoo somehow.
> 
> He, he, he,- great one !
> And there will come the time when no one knows or remembers what MIDI is or was ... :-)
> 
>> 
>> Does anyone here that has the S1100 know what exact size of the Roms are? Like 27c512 or higher? 27c1001?  I have a client and his unit is having probs accepting the new Rom update. I am starting to think it's the size or speed of the Roms...any thoughts?
>> 
>> Rish
> 
> Unfortunately not,- sorry.
> I´m thinking of burning new eproms for some of my hardware gear before the originals die,- but don´t have a eprom burner.
> My tech has a Oberheim Prommer, but I fear it won´t work with every eprom out there.
> 
> Which ones are you using ?
> 
> Next time my tech comes by I´ll ask him,- he finds out when we have a Akai S1100 open which needs service.
> 
> best
> 
> PeWe
> 
>

> Ok...well it should be in the serv manual, did we ever get it uploaded 
> to the files section?
>
> Rish
>
> Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
>
>

On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:22 PM, PeWe <ha-pewe@gmx.de> wrote:

> 
> Check your PM,- in my 1st mail there´s the wrong file, sorry.
> I´ve sent .bpm pages and a PDF I´ve made to your PM addy.
> Hope that helps.
> No schematics up to now.
> 
> PeWe
> 
> Am 28.07.2011 20:41, schrieb Rish:
> 
>>  
>> Ok...well it should be in the serv manual, did we ever get it uploaded to the files section?
>> 
>> Rish
>> 
>> Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
>> 
>> 
> 
>

> Hey can you send that again? Sorry I lost it.
>
> Rish
>
> Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
>
>

From: PeWe <ha-pewe@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] Re: Introduction
To: akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 28 July, 2011, 18:57















 
 



  


    
      
      
      
  
  
    >>>

    

    Am 28.07.2011 18:25, schrieb Rish:
    
       
      
          
            Thanks bro! I came up with it myself and was thinking
              of working it into a tattoo somehow.
          
        
      
    
    

    He, he, he,- great one !

    And there will come the time when no one knows or remembers what
    MIDI is or was ... :-)

    

    
      
        
          
            

            
            Does anyone here that has the S1100 know what exact
              size of the Roms are? Like 27c512 or higher? 27c1001?  I
              have a client and his unit is having probs accepting the
              new Rom update. I am starting to think it's the size or
              speed of the Roms...any thoughts?

              

              Rish
            
          
        
      
    
    

    Unfortunately not,- sorry.

    I´m thinking of burning new eproms for some of my hardware gear
    before the originals die,- but don´t have a eprom burner.

    My tech has a Oberheim Prommer, but I fear it won´t work with every
    eprom out there.

    

    Which ones are you using ?

    

    Next time my tech comes by I´ll ask him,- he finds out when we have
    a Akai S1100 open which needs service.

    

    best

    

    PeWe

From: PeWe <ha-pewe@...>
Subject: Re: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] Re: Introduction
To: akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 28 July, 2011, 21:56















 
 



  


    
      
      
      
  
  
    

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    Am 28.07.2011 21:50, schrieb Les Lambert:
    
       
      
          
            
              
                
                  
                    The Prommer
                      defenitely doesn't do software copies, despite the
                      claim they made in the user and service manuals.
                      I've had 3 of them, software copies always fail on
                      checksum, unit fails to boot etc.  
                  
                
              
            
          
        
      
    
    That´s new to me because we did in a music shop/service center in
    the 8s for Sequental Circuits Prophet 5, Oberheim OB-8 and some
    more.

    Seems it depends on type of eprom, size and bit depth,- it was all 8
    Bit at that time.

    But I dot know if it works w/ AKAI eproms, it´s a much younger
    machine.

> Hello,
>
> the resistor got three red rings and one gold, so it should be 2,2   
> kOhm with 5% tolerance.
> You can't measure it properly while it is soldered, because the   
> other components will void the value.
>
> Hope this is helping you :-)
>
> Kind regards,
> Slash
>
>

>
> Glad a Prommer worked for you, maybe they fixed that problem after I 
> got mine, I was very keen, had somebody fetch one of the first 
> available to the UK by hand. Ouch.
> $700 for the unit. Later they got cheap, think the next was 200, then 
> the last 120.
>
> The EPROMs then were 2716, 2732, 2764,27128 all of which I used for 
> sounds without issue, and software was gradually getting onto bigger 
> chips, which I did use for archiving the contents of the Prommer 
> without any trouble too.
> It might be that the non-companded mode may have had more than one 
> revision.
> I probably tried copying anything we had at the hire company , the 
> PCM70 rev3 was a candidate, probably the 224 was doing the later 
> programmes by 1987, but gave up after a couple of months getting 
> nowhere with any of the software copying, borrowed a Stagg from my AMS 
> Neve contact which was great. These days I get my friend who still 
> does this for a living to do them for me.
>
> There was also a tendancy for the sampler section to lose the ability 
> to sample at either 24 or 16KHz, which seemed to creep up on the unit, 
> each one gradually failing . The third hasn't had a test yet, so far 
> it's just checked my old copies, many of which have reverted to random 
> data.
> As you can imagine is tedious, no copies 24 years later except on a 
> master DAT which is gone after being copied onto CDR, which as we are 
> discovering often fail too. There was a Mitsubishi X80 1/4in master 
> copy, but those are mostly in the landfill now.
>
> Heading for the Landfill, decent name for an over 60's band huh?
>
>
> ---
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>