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Looking at P3 (questions)

Looking at P3 (questions)

2006-01-26 by Jack Deckard

Hi, I'm looking at buying either a (preassembled) P3 or Schrittmacher. I had 
a couple of questions.

Can you mount a power supply inside the rack mount case. In the Kit 
pictures, it looks like there might be room. Has anyone done this (USA 120v 
supply).

Colin stated in an early post to analog-sequencer that he was not going to 
support others writing code for the P3 (or in effect that). Any chance you 
might change your mind Colin?

The data input and MIDI control of the P3 are VERY impressive. The only 
major feature of the Schrittmacher, that makes it worth looking at, is the 
different row lengths for note and velocity data. Thanks for any info!

Jack Deckard

Re: [analogue-sequencer] Looking at P3 (questions)

2006-01-27 by David Bate

Colin f wrote:
>>The data input and MIDI control of the P3 are VERY 
>>impressive. The only 
>>major feature of the Schrittmacher, that makes it worth 
>>looking at, is the 
>>different row lengths for note and velocity data.
> 
> 
> Those are interesting features, but I'm not sure how many P3 people actually
> miss the ability to do that simply.
> Beyond a certain level of complexity, tricks like that all tend to start
> just sounding random, and you can do that easily enough.
> I could have put in a different pattern length for each row, but decided
> that would probably just complicate things more than necessary for the
> majority of people who don't use such features.
> If I come to do a sequencer in the Schrittmacher price range, you can be
> sure it will do a lot more than that ;-)



I do like to have different lengths or directions for various
items(note/velocity/cc and such...) due to habits from other sequencers,
and your Aux to Track N, Aux Event works great for that.  It doesn't
work for the velocity but it does for cc control to have different row
lenght/direction/speed....


Another way would be to use 2 Tracks set to the same Midi Channel, but
there would have to be some way to mask the note (but keep the gate) so
that it will still send the velocity and other items... (maybe your idea
for adding a seperate gate to each row, for drum machine type uses would
be useful for this, so that you could gate the velocity sending but not
the notes sending....)



With that said, I really did like your idea for:
"I have a notion that I might add 'aux note ind' events that would be
similar to 'aux note abs', except that the aux notes would be gated by
their own status bits, and therefore be independent of the main gate."
If you could add a velocity gate to that, it would give the ability to
use 2 Tracks to have Velocity and Note different length/direction/speed."


****


In the same update you added:
"By adding a pattern macro that would set the note on every step for the
main note and all four auxes to some predefined values, you could then
use the gate and 4 aux flags as a sort of grid drum editor."

I like this!!! Please do add this if you can...


Are you going to be adding any more marcos?  The reason that I ask, is
that the current macros that you enabled (work great by the way!), only
set each of the Auxs to Aux Note Rel or Aux Note Abs for each of the
number of notes that you defined, which work great when recording
from a keyboard into P3, but if you are programming from the P3 itself
without a remote keyboard, one still has to manually enable each Aux
Event Step, so I have to press 1-16 keys for Aux A, Aux B, Aux C & Aux
D, and then I have to use the sculpt button to actually change the value
to what I want for each of the Aux's.  This can take 20 seconds or so,
where a Macro could have this done fairly quickly.

It would save a bit of time, if one could, within the Macro itself, when
for example you've hit Function --> Upper to enable the Macro Mode and
then selected Poly 5 Rel, then I can then hit the Function key and get
another menu where I can program the offset for each of the aux's.  Then
All I have to do then, to start getting my chords, is hit gate for that
step and program the root note for the chord.


Thanks for listening...

Dave

RE: [analogue-sequencer] Looking at P3 (questions)

2006-01-27 by Colin f

> Can you mount a power supply inside the rack mount case. In the Kit 
> pictures, it looks like there might be room. Has anyone done 
> this (USA 120v 
> supply).

I think there should be plenty room.
The reason I use a wall wart supply is because it means exemption from a
number of regulatory tests and certification requirements that mains powered
equipment needs. Plus it's a little cheaper.
 
> Colin stated in an early post to analog-sequencer that he was 
> not going to 
> support others writing code for the P3 (or in effect that). 
> Any chance you 
> might change your mind Colin?

P3 will remain closed source for a number of reasons.
First is that I'm trying to make a living from it, and though I like to
believe most people honour 'not for commercial use' clauses, I know very
well that a small minority don't give a toss, and would happily run off kits
or complete units for sale without contributing anything to the development
cost.
Second is that although many of the ideas in P3 have come from other users,
they all get filtered through me in a way that I hope maintains a degree of
consistency. Open source projects have a tendency to branch off in a
thousand different directions, and P3 is aimed more at people who want to
make music than people who want to futz around with software.
Another reason is that there are 14,000 lines of C in the P3 source, and
it's undergone a lot of optimisation over time to reduce the size and fit
more in. A lot of this makes it very difficult to follow unless you already
know what the code is doing.
 
> The data input and MIDI control of the P3 are VERY 
> impressive. The only 
> major feature of the Schrittmacher, that makes it worth 
> looking at, is the 
> different row lengths for note and velocity data.

Those are interesting features, but I'm not sure how many P3 people actually
miss the ability to do that simply.
Beyond a certain level of complexity, tricks like that all tend to start
just sounding random, and you can do that easily enough.
I could have put in a different pattern length for each row, but decided
that would probably just complicate things more than necessary for the
majority of people who don't use such features.
If I come to do a sequencer in the Schrittmacher price range, you can be
sure it will do a lot more than that ;-)

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

Re: [analogue-sequencer] Looking at P3 (questions)

2006-01-27 by henry

yes that macro would be great and handy feature IMO

Am 27.01.2006 um 20:25 schrieb Colin f:

> I've been considering macros that set up pattern values as well as the
> auxes.
> For example, a macro to set up a fixed chord across all the aux  
> notes might
> take the main notes from the pattern.
> So if you want a C major 7, just set up C, E, G, B across the first  
> 4 steps,
> then apply the macro and those notes will be copied to every step  
> of each
> note - all primary notes would become C, aux A would be E, aux B  
> would be G
> and aux C would be B - or the offset values for rel notes. Then you  
> can
> tweak the root note to tune the chord.
> This sort of macro would also be useful for percussion patterns,  
> since you
> could select the drum notes you wanted to use in the pattern, and  
> copy them
> to each step - of course, you'd not want the steps turned on in  
> that case.
> The macro menu will let me add in any other kinds of shortcut too,  
> such as
> copying the current pattern to every other pattern in the track.

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Re: [analogue-sequencer] Looking at P3 (questions)

2006-01-27 by henry

Hi colin,

would it be possible to create a sort of copy or macro based funktion  
to copy
events like aux setting definitions from one playlis to the other (or  
is this already possible?)
I often play live notes into P3 and use to record them over 2 or for  
playlist to get a chained playback of
2-4 bars length. when I start to create aux definitions that I like I  
have to manually copy them over, set steps and values etc.
at least copying the aux definitions would be handy sure later every  
note gets complete different values. I've tried out copy Parts but  
that does soemthing differen't as to its nature.

any more tips or hints I've might overseen on this issue would be cool.

cheers,
henry


Am 27.01.2006 um 20:25 schrieb Colin f:

> > Are you going to be adding any more marcos?
>
> Seems likely ;-)
> I've been considering macros that set up pattern values as well as the
> auxes.

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RE: [analogue-sequencer] Looking at P3 (questions)

2006-01-27 by Colin f

> I do like to have different lengths or directions for various
> items(note/velocity/cc and such...) due to habits from other 
> sequencers,
> and your Aux to Track N, Aux Event works great for that.  It doesn't
> work for the velocity but it does for cc control to have different row
> lenght/direction/speed....

You can 'push velo, trk n' with another event.
 
> Are you going to be adding any more marcos?

Seems likely ;-)
I've been considering macros that set up pattern values as well as the
auxes.
For example, a macro to set up a fixed chord across all the aux notes might
take the main notes from the pattern.
So if you want a C major 7, just set up C, E, G, B across the first 4 steps,
then apply the macro and those notes will be copied to every step of each
note - all primary notes would become C, aux A would be E, aux B would be G
and aux C would be B - or the offset values for rel notes. Then you can
tweak the root note to tune the chord.
This sort of macro would also be useful for percussion patterns, since you
could select the drum notes you wanted to use in the pattern, and copy them
to each step - of course, you'd not want the steps turned on in that case.
The macro menu will let me add in any other kinds of shortcut too, such as
copying the current pattern to every other pattern in the track.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

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