Analogue-sequencer

I've only recently got the time to properly learn to use my p3 and I am a bit lost as the playlist edit has gone in the v4.0 software (that I have on my machine) and I cant find any documentation on how the new OS works re: playlists. I have read that playlists have gone on V4.0 but I'm not sure what they have been replaced with and how to use them...can anybody help out there. Many Thanks.

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "seanzoega" <szoega@...> wrote:
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> I've only recently got the time to properly learn to use my p3 and I am a bit lost as the playlist edit has gone in the v4.0 software (that I have on my machine) and I cant find any documentation on how the new OS works re: playlists. I have read that playlists have gone on V4.0 but I'm not sure what they have been replaced with and how to use them...can anybody help out there. Many Thanks.
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Playlist are indeed gone. There is not a replacement. However, parts can now be 16 bars long.

> I've only recently got the time to properly learn to use my 
> p3 and I am a bit lost as the playlist edit has gone in the 
> v4.0 software (that I have on my machine) and I cant find any 
> documentation on how the new OS works re: playlists. I have 
> read that playlists have gone on V4.0 but I'm not sure what 
> they have been replaced with and how to use them...can 
> anybody help out there. Many Thanks.

The brief manual for v4 is here:
http://www.sequentix.com/files/p3v4b-use.txt

Playlists were replaced by multi-bar patterns. Though the functionality is
not quite identical, the same end results can be achieved.
If you get stuck with anything after reading the usage file, just ask a
question here.
Once the v4 code is finalised, I'll produce a more verbose guide.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

> >Once the v4 code is finalised, I'll produce a more verbose guide.


Please Colin concentrate on the Cirklon. :)

hi,i 've got 2 P3 upgraded and a litte verbose guide will be very nice and logical;-)



 In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Ditton33" <ditton33@...> wrote:

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> Please Colin concentrate on the Cirklon. :)
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I must admit that since I upgraded to v.4 I haven't used the P3 much 
because I got more into modular stuff, but now if I turn it on I really 
can't remember what changed or what is what... although I agree the new 
sequencer should take a priority some basic v.4 documentation would be 
very welcome here too

Richard

boops.secretvibes wrote:

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> hi,i 've got 2 P3 upgraded and a litte verbose guide will be very nice 
> and logical;-)
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> <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>, "Ditton33" <ditton33@...> 
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On 05/25/09 02:55 PM, Ditton33 wrote:
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Considering that Cirklon is based off of v4 code base and IT would also need
a manual, I would say that he's already doing both !


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--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "seanzoega" <szoega@...> wrote:
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> I've only recently got the time to properly learn to use my p3 and I am a bit lost as the playlist edit has gone in the v4.0 software (that I have on my machine) and I cant find any documentation on how the new OS works re: playlists. I have read that playlists have gone on V4.0 but I'm not sure what they have been replaced with and how to use them...can anybody help out there. Many Thanks.
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Thanks for all the help so far. I have managed to get the "playlists" out of my head and am now working with the multibar pattern concept. All going well so far, I've created an 8 bar pattern and using <page 4> I can select which bar I am editing. All great except how do I edit one bar without having to listen to the whole 8 bars?

keep with the modulars funkychorlton...I'm doing both here...sequentix into system 100 & 100m....just got it all working and its blinding!

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "seanzoega" <szoega@...> wrote:
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> I've only recently got the time to properly learn to use my p3 and I am a bit lost as the playlist edit has gone in the v4.0 software (that I have on my machine) and I cant find any documentation on how the new OS works re: playlists. I have read that playlists have gone on V4.0 but I'm not sure what they have been replaced with and how to use them...can anybody help out there. Many Thanks.
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Fantastic, Thanks Colin. My head is starting to hurt so I'm going to call it a day today...suns out too...however I have a couple of questions...on my V4 "Part Edit" is on page 4 and Bar edit on Page 5. What does "arm" mean on page 4 and what does "hold" mean on page 5

Many Thanks

> Thanks for all the help so far. I have managed to get the 
> "playlists" out of my head and am now working with the 
> multibar pattern concept. All going well so far, I've created 
> an 8 bar pattern and using <page 4> I can select which bar I 
> am editing. All great except how do I edit one bar without 
> having to listen to the whole 8 bars?

In bar edit, you can set the loop points so that just the bar you want to
work on loops.
Hold FUNC, then press the step key for the bar you want twice - once to make
it the start of the loop, then to make it the end.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "seanzoega" <szoega@...> wrote:
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> I've only recently got the time to properly learn to use my p3 and I am a bit lost as the playlist edit has gone in the v4.0 software (that I have on my machine) and I cant find any documentation on how the new OS works re: playlists. I have read that playlists have gone on V4.0 but I'm not sure what they have been replaced with and how to use them...can anybody help out there. Many Thanks.
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Colin, many thanks I have had a chance to play with the new V4 pattern/part edit structure and its really good...very fast and reasonably intuitive (once you told me the FUNC key stuff). I am still struggling a bit though...I have created 5 parts (which I assume are analogous to parts in a song i.e. intro, verse, chorus, mid8 etc) but I cant work out how to create these parts into a song i.e. Part1, Part2, Part3, Part4, Part2, Part3, Part 4, Part 5, Part4. Am I getting it wrong, I am assuming banks are like songs. Please note I have tried the part chain but this doesnt work as the P3 assumes that the parts are a single bar in length. A bit stuck, I've been through the V3 manual and the V4 quickie manual...but I'm getting confused with the playlist element...have playlists been totally replaced or are they still used for stringing parts together into songs. Cheers

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "seanzoega" <szoega@...> wrote:
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> I've only recently got the time to properly learn to use my p3 and I am a bit lost as the playlist edit has gone in the v4.0 software (that I have on my machine) and I cant find any documentation on how the new OS works re: playlists. I have read that playlists have gone on V4.0 but I'm not sure what they have been replaced with and how to use them...can anybody help out there. Many Thanks.
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Colin and Duncan, many thanks for your comments. I should first say two things 1. I am a novice to P3 and 2. I find that just copying a song is a really good way of learning a bit of kit, you dont get sidetracked by creative possibilities and you have something fixed to copy so you are forced into finding things out (for me anyway). 

Obviously just using the P3 as a standard sequencer is crazy, I have only just started playing with its performance potential and its amazing and more importantly fun. I basically bought the P3 because I remembered how much fun I had with my Roland 104 analogue sequencer and what a pain DAW's are in terms of workflow and fun. For that the P3 is absolutely brilliant.

I take both of your comments about the p3 not being a linear sequencer, however I do feel that the V4 software is missing a vital component in being able to playlist parts. (Please remember I am a novice and this is my first impression). I do take on board that its not a linear sequencer and is more of a performance tool...however no matter how experimental your work you end up having to apply some structure to make it more accessible. I dont want to get into subjective arguments on experimental music (lets just say I bought my first synth because of cabaret voltaire, throbbing gristle and early human league)but unless you are doing totally free-form stuff like Eno ambient or Xenakis/Stockhausen/IRCAM stuff some structuring of the parts is required. I accept that this can be performance based but opnce you have worked out your performance as it where, you may want to free your hands to perform somewhere else...I've got a lovely analogue modular setup and even forgetting song structure I could do with some extra hands to do what I want to do sometimes. What I tend to do is play (perform) and then record and then play with something else. I accept that the way I put things together is just how I like to do it and is certainly not everybodys prefered methodology. It would just be nice if the P3 gave me the option to playlist parts rather than forcing me to do it manually.

Maybe once I have played with the P3 a bit more I will change my mind.
cheers

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "seanzoega" <szoega@...> wrote:
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> I've only recently got the time to properly learn to use my p3 and I am a bit lost as the playlist edit has gone in the v4.0 software (that I have on my machine) and I cant find any documentation on how the new OS works re: playlists. I have read that playlists have gone on V4.0 but I'm not sure what they have been replaced with and how to use them...can anybody help out there. Many Thanks.
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just to add to my earlier note, I have developed lots of hardware and software in my time and am all too aware of the nightmares of "mission creep". I may not have had enough time to really understand the working methodology (paradigm!) of the P3...that said I'm also aware that some of the best development ideas have come from people that didnt really understand the product "out of the mouth of babes" I think its called. So consider me a P3 baby. On the "mission creep" side of things I have recently developed a wristwatch (www.i-toc.com  I'm not trying to sell my wares, just making a point...but to be honest would also be interested in comments...Colin if you like it you can have a freebie for creating a box that reminded me of why I enjoy synths so much). With the watch I have had to stick to "doing one thing well" people want me to add all sorts of gadgetry and that would spoil it...so I am well aware I may come to the same conclusion with the P3 once I have really got to know it well.

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "sean_zoega" <sean@...> wrote:
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> --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "seanzoega" <szoega@> wrote:

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I take both of your comments about the p3 not being a linear sequencer, however I do feel that the V4 software is missing a vital component in being able to playlist parts. (Please remember I am a novice and this is my first impression). I do take on board that its not a linear sequencer and is more of a performance tool...however no matter how experimental your work you end up having to apply some structure to make it more accessible.
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Hi Sean,

I think the P3's remote control functions will probably give you a number of the things you're looking for. 
Until recently I had 2 P3's as my only sequencers, and when sequencing a track I used to record all the midi output of several performances of the track to Cubase, where I'd then cut out the junk and build the track out of the useful parts of the different performances. 
I've now sold 1 P3 and replaced it with an MPC 1000, which is much more focussed on song-style creation instead of live performance. As a result I now do all final sequencing in the MPC's song mode, from which I also switch parts & mute or unmute tracks on the P3 using remote control.
Using this method allows me to continue creating in a live performance style while also giving me the ability to sequence in a song-based style.

grtz, Chiel

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "seanzoega" <szoega@...> wrote:
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> I've only recently got the time to properly learn to use my p3 and I am a bit lost as the playlist edit has gone in the v4.0 software (that I have on my machine) and I cant find any documentation on how the new OS works re: playlists. I have read that playlists have gone on V4.0 but I'm not sure what they have been replaced with and how to use them...can anybody help out there. Many Thanks.
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Many thanks for all the comments, I think I have to spend a bit more time with the P3. I'll post my thoughts in a couple of weeks.

Just catching up... 

> I take both of your comments about the p3 not being a linear 
> sequencer, however I do feel that the V4 software is missing 
> a vital component in being able to playlist parts. (Please 
> remember I am a novice and this is my first impression).

It does to a certain extent in that you can chain parts, but you only have 8
steps of part sequence.
This is no disadvantage over v3 though - v3 didn't have multi-bar patterns,
the playlists there were for chaining bars together, rather than song
structures.

> I do 
> take on board that its not a linear sequencer and is more of 
> a performance tool...however no matter how experimental your 
> work you end up having to apply some structure to make it 
> more accessible. I dont want to get into subjective arguments 
> on experimental music (lets just say I bought my first synth 
> because of cabaret voltaire, throbbing gristle and early 
> human league)but unless you are doing totally free-form stuff 
> like Eno ambient or Xenakis/Stockhausen/IRCAM stuff some 
> structuring of the parts is required. I accept that this can 
> be performance based but opnce you have worked out your 
> performance as it where, you may want to free your hands to 
> perform somewhere else...

I totally agree.
I used to be more hardcore about it, but I've mellowed to the point where,
although I still want to be able to 'perform' a track, I can see the
attraction of being able to directly record that performance, so that I can
play it back while I twiddle knobs, etc.
Unfortunately as far as P3 goes, the CPU is doing pretty much everything it
can.
There is only 1k or so of program space left in the flash, and RAM is pretty
tightly packed too.
However, you can expect to see a linear song director on Cirklon.

> just to add to my earlier note, I have developed lots of 
> hardware and software in my time and am all too aware of the 
> nightmares of "mission creep".

Ha ! I think the P3 is about 75% creep.

> On the "mission creep" 
> side of things I have recently developed a wristwatch 
> (www.i-toc.com  I'm not trying to sell my wares, just making 
> a point...but to be honest would also be interested in 
> comments...

Ooh, I do like a nice watch ;-)
I usually wear a P2 (of the Pulsar variety).

> Colin if you like it you can have a freebie for 
> creating a box that reminded me of why I enjoy synths so 
> much).

Sweet :-)

> With the watch I have had to stick to "doing one thing 
> well" people want me to add all sorts of gadgetry and that 
> would spoil it...so I am well aware I may come to the same 
> conclusion with the P3 once I have really got to know it well.

Well, if you do, forget what I said about wanting a song mode - I did it all
on purpose.

Best regards,
Colin Fraser
Sequentix Music Systems Ltd
http://www.sequentix.com

>>It does to a certain extent in that you can chain parts, but you only have 8 steps of part sequence.<<

I'm lost now. it may be the terminology.... how do I assemble parts into a larger sequence? damn, just when I thought I had it nailed.

nice watches btw. I might have to go for one of them when my brief but expensive seiko (7T32, 7T62 & some of the 5's) obsession is over.

duncan.