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Hi Arnauld,

Thanks for your welcome.

You asked me what other modules I have so here they are (from memory as the
synth is in a different building).  You must let me know what you use as
well.

6   RS90 oscillators
1   RS95 oscillator (I should get another)
4   or more LFOs
2   ring modulators with jack multiple
2   buffer/inverters
6? jack multiples
2   mixers
2   Prog scale generators
6   ADSRs
6   VCAs
1   trapezoid generator (EMS type)
1   EMS type filter
1   Moog type ladder filter
1   fixed filter
1   vocal filter
3   multimode filters
2   comb filters
2   chorus/reverb
1   white noise/clock
1   slew limiter
1   gate delay
1   Bode type freq shifter
2   joysticks (one free and one centred)
1   sequencer
1   seq switch
1   divider

- and one of each of the shared modules like the preamp/env follower and
slew/voltage shifter or whatever.

The keyboards were housed by me in the days before Bob produced the Demon
etc. They send MIDI into a Kenton PRO 4 and from there - the fun begins!

Regards

Dave

I've got a better one!

I've made small enclosures to mount my mults in separately.  They basically
form-fit the mult modules. Each is covered with a soft felt material.  Why
did I do this?  I just lay them where I need them depending on the patch -
they aren't hard mounted in my panel and more important, don't rob me of any
precious panel space!

works great!

Peter


shm1400wrote:

Since you complained about a lack of mults, I thought I'd share a
trick to overcome this problem (although it may seem a bit obvious:

MOVE-A-MULTS

Back in the 60s, Moog manufactured move-a-mults, which were basically
one phone plug wired attached to 2 phone jacks.

Us AS & Doepfer users can get the same result by bying "Y" adapters
and using them this way.  I buy cheap Y adapters from Radio Shack for
about a buck.  Plug the plug into your jack, and you now have two
jacks.  You need to make sure you get a mono Y adapter, not one of
the stereo splitters.  And if you buy from Radio Shack, make sure it
is 1/8".  they also sell gold plated splitters that are some other
wierd size.

Does anybody else do this?

--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, Arnauld Michelizza <am@z...>
wrote:
>> 
> My system is too small to make complex patches that often require a
lot of
> vca / adsr / attenuators. The biggest lack is about attenuators and
I dislike
> to use a whole vca or a whole mixer only to attenuate a signal !
> I have not enough multiple and adsr too.
> The filters are great and I often use my system as an effect
processor for
> drum loops.
> I don't make a lot of music yet, as I do not have so much time and
I'm a
> beginner. I rather like to spend time to learn and to search some
sounds.
> 
> Arnauld


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They're  mounted in little boxes basically.  The boxes are covered with a
soft material, so when they lay on the faceplates, it doesnt do any damage.
I just lay them where I need them and use them, and put them back on my
bookshelf when I'm not.

If you look at me system, it's not all flat faced, it's scalloped, not I
have bth X and Y plan surfaces where things can be easily laid down.


shm1400wrote:

I'm having a hard time visualizing what you are doing.  Do these mult
modules need to be on a horizontal surface?  How do they stay put on
a vertical surface?  Maybe you could post a picture.  Thanks.

--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, Peter Grenader
<pgrenader@m...> wrote:
> I've got a better one!
> 
> I've made small enclosures to mount my mults in separately.  They
basically
> form-fit the mult modules. Each is covered with a soft felt
material.  Why
> did I do this?  I just lay them where I need them depending on the
patch -
> they aren't hard mounted in my panel and more important, don't rob
me of any
> precious panel space!
> 
> works great!
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> shm1400wrote:
> 
> Since you complained about a lack of mults, I thought I'd share a
> trick to overcome this problem (although it may seem a bit obvious:
> 
> MOVE-A-MULTS
> 
> Back in the 60s, Moog manufactured move-a-mults, which were
basically
> one phone plug wired attached to 2 phone jacks.
> 
> Us AS & Doepfer users can get the same result by bying "Y" adapters
> and using them this way.  I buy cheap Y adapters from Radio Shack
for
> about a buck.  Plug the plug into your jack, and you now have two
> jacks.  You need to make sure you get a mono Y adapter, not one of
> the stereo splitters.  And if you buy from Radio Shack, make sure it
> is 1/8".  they also sell gold plated splitters that are some other
> wierd size.
> 
> Does anybody else do this?
> 
> --- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, Arnauld Michelizza
<am@z...>
> wrote:
> >> 
> > My system is too small to make complex patches that often require
a
> lot of
> > vca / adsr / attenuators. The biggest lack is about attenuators
and
> I dislike
> > to use a whole vca or a whole mixer only to attenuate a signal !
> > I have not enough multiple and adsr too.
> > The filters are great and I often use my system as an effect
> processor for
> > drum loops.
> > I don't make a lot of music yet, as I do not have so much time and
> I'm a
> > beginner. I rather like to spend time to learn and to search some
> sounds.
> > 
> > Arnauld
> 
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Hi Dave,

Thanks for your module list. You have a beautiful system !

> 1   trapezoid generator (EMS type)
> 1   EMS type filter

I still wonder how they can sound, but I think I will buy some very soon.
Are you happy with them ?

> 2   comb filters
> 2   chorus/reverb
> 1   Moog type ladder filter
> 3   multimode filters

These are my favorite filters. They sound very great. The comb filter and
the ladder filter are a bit noisy, but so warm ! I use them very often.
The multimode filter is very fine too.

> 2   joysticks (one free and one centred)
> 1   seq switch

Are they useful ? Still don't know if I have to buy them...

My own system is a small one composed with :
2 vco
1 s&h + noise
2 lfo
2 vca
2 adsr
1 multimode filter
1 Moog type ladder filter
1 chorus/reverb
1 comb filters
1 3bf (vocal filter)
1 ring modulator / multiple
1 buffer
1 mixer
1 gate delay
1 slew limiter
1 midi/cv converter

My system is too small to make complex patches that often require a lot of
vca / adsr / attenuators. The biggest lack is about attenuators and I dislike
to use a whole vca or a whole mixer only to attenuate a signal !
I have not enough multiple and adsr too.
The filters are great and I often use my system as an effect processor for
drum loops.
I don't make a lot of music yet, as I do not have so much time and I'm a
beginner. I rather like to spend time to learn and to search some sounds.

Arnauld

Since you complained about a lack of mults, I thought I'd share a 
trick to overcome this problem (although it may seem a bit obvious:

MOVE-A-MULTS

Back in the 60s, Moog manufactured move-a-mults, which were basically 
one phone plug wired attached to 2 phone jacks.  

Us AS & Doepfer users can get the same result by bying "Y" adapters 
and using them this way.  I buy cheap Y adapters from Radio Shack for 
about a buck.  Plug the plug into your jack, and you now have two 
jacks.  You need to make sure you get a mono Y adapter, not one of 
the stereo splitters.  And if you buy from Radio Shack, make sure it 
is 1/8".  they also sell gold plated splitters that are some other 
wierd size.

Does anybody else do this?  

--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, Arnauld Michelizza <am@z...> 
wrote:
>> 
> My system is too small to make complex patches that often require a 
lot of
> vca / adsr / attenuators. The biggest lack is about attenuators and 
I dislike
> to use a whole vca or a whole mixer only to attenuate a signal !
> I have not enough multiple and adsr too.
> The filters are great and I often use my system as an effect 
processor for
> drum loops.
> I don't make a lot of music yet, as I do not have so much time and 
I'm a
> beginner. I rather like to spend time to learn and to search some 
sounds.
> 
> Arnauld

I'm having a hard time visualizing what you are doing.  Do these mult 
modules need to be on a horizontal surface?  How do they stay put on 
a vertical surface?  Maybe you could post a picture.  Thanks.

--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, Peter Grenader 
<pgrenader@m...> wrote:
> I've got a better one!
> 
> I've made small enclosures to mount my mults in separately.  They 
basically
> form-fit the mult modules. Each is covered with a soft felt 
material.  Why
> did I do this?  I just lay them where I need them depending on the 
patch -
> they aren't hard mounted in my panel and more important, don't rob 
me of any
> precious panel space!
> 
> works great!
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> shm1400wrote:
> 
> Since you complained about a lack of mults, I thought I'd share a
> trick to overcome this problem (although it may seem a bit obvious:
> 
> MOVE-A-MULTS
> 
> Back in the 60s, Moog manufactured move-a-mults, which were 
basically
> one phone plug wired attached to 2 phone jacks.
> 
> Us AS & Doepfer users can get the same result by bying "Y" adapters
> and using them this way.  I buy cheap Y adapters from Radio Shack 
for
> about a buck.  Plug the plug into your jack, and you now have two
> jacks.  You need to make sure you get a mono Y adapter, not one of
> the stereo splitters.  And if you buy from Radio Shack, make sure it
> is 1/8".  they also sell gold plated splitters that are some other
> wierd size.
> 
> Does anybody else do this?
> 
> --- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, Arnauld Michelizza 
<am@z...>
> wrote:
> >> 
> > My system is too small to make complex patches that often require 
a
> lot of
> > vca / adsr / attenuators. The biggest lack is about attenuators 
and

> I dislike
> > to use a whole vca or a whole mixer only to attenuate a signal !
> > I have not enough multiple and adsr too.
> > The filters are great and I often use my system as an effect
> processor for
> > drum loops.
> > I don't make a lot of music yet, as I do not have so much time and
> I'm a
> > beginner. I rather like to spend time to learn and to search some
> sounds.
> > 
> > Arnauld
> 
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How many jacks did you have on your homemade move-a-mults?  Using the 
Y adapters like I do only involves plugs 2 per jack, and I haven't 
had any trouble yet.  Nontheless, I'm interested to know if you had 
more than 2 jacks.  If yours had only 2, I might want to be very 
careful.  
This shouldn't be a problem with Peter's approach, since the mults 
presumably put no extra strain on the jacks. 


--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, Brandon Daniel <bdu@f...> 
wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Peter Grenader wrote:
> 
> > They're  mounted in little boxes basically.  The boxes are 
covered with a
> > soft material, so when they lay on the faceplates, it doesnt do 
any damage.
> > I just lay them where I need them and use them, and put them back 
on my
> > bookshelf when I'm not.
> 
> I don't really recommend this approach. I had homemade "move-a-
mults" on
> my system for about two weeks before I decided this was a really 
bad idea.
> The little PC mount 1/8" jacks that my Asys/Doepfer uses were 
getting
> their contacts bent by the extra weight strain from the wire, it 
got to
> the point where I couldn't get signal from my output VCA! I had to 
pop the
> module out and bend the contact back into place, and even then it 
wasn't
> as snappy an insertion as it used to be. At that point I stopped 
using the

> "move-a-mult"s in order to preserve the system's usability.
> 
> Your mileage may vary.
> 
> -Brandon
> ___________________________________
> 
> The last time anyone listened
> to a Bush they wandered through
> the desert for 40 years!
> ___________________________________

I'm using Doepfer mults.  They are better than A Sys (just 
kidding).

I got D mults initially because I hate taking panel space for them, 
and the D ones are thinner than the A sys model. but I 
understand they are important.  So I pulled them when I had to 
make room for the RS290/95 and just mounted them in little 
boxes I made that form-fit the module and then covered them 
with a felt cloth so when I lay them down on the faceplate there's 
no possibility of them scratching.  It ended up I liked this 
arrangement, because my mults can go wherew I need them , 
so I don't have to string patchords across the whole system just 
to breakout a single signal.

I also built inine five wide mults into my utility strip, which you can 
see here:

http://www.buzzclick-music.com/strip.jpg

this resides in a one rack high space I left intentionally there 
when I made the cabinet for the system, just for things like this.  
But at times I still run out!  so I have these two little mult-ette's

They worked out fine.

On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Peter Grenader wrote:

> They're  mounted in little boxes basically.  The boxes are covered with a
> soft material, so when they lay on the faceplates, it doesnt do any damage.
> I just lay them where I need them and use them, and put them back on my
> bookshelf when I'm not.

I don't really recommend this approach. I had homemade "move-a-mults" on
my system for about two weeks before I decided this was a really bad idea.
The little PC mount 1/8" jacks that my Asys/Doepfer uses were getting
their contacts bent by the extra weight strain from the wire, it got to
the point where I couldn't get signal from my output VCA! I had to pop the
module out and bend the contact back into place, and even then it wasn't
as snappy an insertion as it used to be. At that point I stopped using the
"move-a-mult"s in order to preserve the system's usability.

Your mileage may vary.

-Brandon
___________________________________

The last time anyone listened
to a Bush they wandered through
the desert for 40 years!
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On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, shm1400 wrote:

> How many jacks did you have on your homemade move-a-mults?  Using the
> Y adapters like I do only involves plugs 2 per jack, and I haven't
> had any trouble yet.  Nontheless, I'm interested to know if you had
> more than 2 jacks.  If yours had only 2, I might want to be very
> careful.

It was only two, but the case with the worst damage was a little mono-male
to two female adapter in plastic (no cable), so it was probably a bit
heavier than a typical y cable.

And, of course, if you can rest the mult on a table to take the strain off
of the jack, then you're fine.

Still, it's something to be aware of.

-Brandon
___________________________________

The last time anyone listened
to a Bush they wandered through
the desert for 40 years!
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