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2011-04-11 by jones_tobin
Hey guys I am new to synthesis but am really keen to learn more. At the studio I work at we have an AS Systems 8500 and a Sorceror Keyboard. Just wondering if any one has a patch Diagram for making an Ondes Martenot type sound, any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Tobin
2011-04-13 by York Luethje
Hi Tobin, Never played an Ondes Martenot but from what I heard and read it's basically a valve-based oscillator with a VCA. Timbres resemble your standard waveforms: triangle, square etc. The real diffentiating factors are the loudspeakers. You have four: A traditional one, one that uses a gong as diaphragm, one with a spring reverb and one with strings for resonance. Of course you also have the playing mechanism (the AS French Connection was developed expressly to copy that). Patching up the first part should be straightforward: OSC - VCA (controlled by an envelope). Part two is more difficult. The VCA output must be routed in parallel to a spring reverb and a ring modulator (for the metallic overtones). Harmomic resonance is more difficult to replicate but you could try using several filters tuned to different frequencies (I've had surprisingly good results using the Doepfer A-127). The outputs of all three building blocks are then summed together in a mixer to provide the final output. If you don't have a French Connection you can approximate the playing style using a ribbon controller (such as the Doepfer R2M). Hope this helps, York _____ Von: analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com [mailto:analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von jones_tobin Gesendet: Montag, 11. April 2011 13:22 An: analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [analogue_systems] ondes martenot Hey guys I am new to synthesis but am really keen to learn more. At the studio I work at we have an AS Systems 8500 and a Sorceror Keyboard. Just wondering if any one has a patch Diagram for making an Ondes Martenot type sound, any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Tobin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-04-14 by Monroe Eskew
I don't believe the sound can be replicated without the subtle pitch and volume modulations that come from the control mechanism. A synthesized human voice will not sound like a real person singing. The sound of an instrument is much more than the waveform; it is the expression in the playing. Monroe On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:54 AM, York Luethje <ybl@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Hi Tobin, > > Never played an Ondes Martenot but from what I heard and read it's > basically > a valve-based oscillator with a VCA. Timbres resemble your standard > waveforms: triangle, square etc. > > The real diffentiating factors are the loudspeakers. You have four: A > traditional one, one that uses a gong as diaphragm, one with a spring > reverb > and one with strings for resonance. Of course you also have the playing > mechanism (the AS French Connection was developed expressly to copy that). > > Patching up the first part should be straightforward: OSC - VCA (controlled > by an envelope). > > Part two is more difficult. The VCA output must be routed in parallel to a > spring reverb and a ring modulator (for the metallic overtones). Harmomic > resonance is more difficult to replicate but you could try using several > filters tuned to different frequencies (I've had surprisingly good results > using the Doepfer A-127). The outputs of all three building blocks are then > summed together in a mixer to provide the final output. > > If you don't have a French Connection you can approximate the playing style > using a ribbon controller (such as the Doepfer R2M). > > Hope this helps, > > York > > _____ > > Von: analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von jones_tobin > Gesendet: Montag, 11. April 2011 13:22 > An: analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [analogue_systems] ondes martenot > > > Hey guys > > I am new to synthesis but am really keen to learn more. > At the studio I work at we have an AS Systems 8500 and a Sorceror Keyboard. > Just wondering if any one has a patch Diagram for making an Ondes Martenot > type sound, any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers > > Tobin > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-04-14 by york luethje
I agree. In addition there are the vacuum tube osciallators, the different diffusors (loudspeakers) etc. As with any real instrument, the original can not be replicated. I regard attempts to recreate sounds as an intellectual exercise. I would never use a 'realistic' violin sound in an electronic track. I am, however, quite interested in understanding how the violin sound is created and will try to emulate it, simply to see what makes it up. So I don't think trying o recreate an Ondes Martenot is illgitimate, especially in the context of Analgue Systems who, after all, have dedicated a playing device to that goal. What brought me to modular synthesis was a similar attempt, the recreation of the Mixturtrautonium by Doepfer. Also not to be confused with the original, but very interesting nonetheless. ________________________________
From: Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@gmail.com> To: analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 21:30:33 Subject: Re: [analogue_systems] ondes martenot I don't believe the sound can be replicated without the subtle pitch and volume modulations that come from the control mechanism. A synthesized human voice will not sound like a real person singing. The sound of an instrument is much more than the waveform; it is the expression in the playing. Monroe On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:54 AM, York Luethje <ybl@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Hi Tobin, > > Never played an Ondes Martenot but from what I heard and read it's > basically > a valve-based oscillator with a VCA. Timbres resemble your standard > waveforms: triangle, square etc. > > The real diffentiating factors are the loudspeakers. You have four: A > traditional one, one that uses a gong as diaphragm, one with a spring > reverb > and one with strings for resonance. Of course you also have the playing > mechanism (the AS French Connection was developed expressly to copy that). > > Patching up the first part should be straightforward: OSC - VCA (controlled > by an envelope). > > Part two is more difficult. The VCA output must be routed in parallel to a > spring reverb and a ring modulator (for the metallic overtones). Harmomic > resonance is more difficult to replicate but you could try using several > filters tuned to different frequencies (I've had surprisingly good results > using the Doepfer A-127). The outputs of all three building blocks are then > summed together in a mixer to provide the final output. > > If you don't have a French Connection you can approximate the playing style > using a ribbon controller (such as the Doepfer R2M). > > Hope this helps, > > York > > _____ > > Von: analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von jones_tobin > Gesendet: Montag, 11. April 2011 13:22 > An: analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [analogue_systems] ondes martenot > > > Hey guys > > I am new to synthesis but am really keen to learn more. > At the studio I work at we have an AS Systems 8500 and a Sorceror Keyboard. > Just wondering if any one has a patch Diagram for making an Ondes Martenot > type sound, any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers > > Tobin > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-04-14 by jones_tobin
Thank you to all of you this is great information and gives me a point in the right direction. I'm just going to experiment and see what happens. Tim P yeah the info about that book would be great cheers. --- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, tim p <target9@...> wrote:
> > Hi everyone, I was recently gifted a book on synthesis (coincidentally by the chap that sold me his RS Integrators) that dealt with the synthesis of various instruments. > > If interested, I could pull the name and author. > > Cheers > > > > > > > > On 14 Apr 2011, at 03:14, "york luethje" <ybl@...> wrote: > > > I agree. In addition there are the vacuum tube osciallators, the different > > diffusors (loudspeakers) etc. As with any real instrument, the original can not > > be replicated. > > > > I regard attempts to recreate sounds as an intellectual exercise. I would never > > use a 'realistic' violin sound in an electronic track. I am, however, quite > > interested in understanding how the violin sound is created and will try to > > emulate it, simply to see what makes it up. > > > > So I don't think trying o recreate an Ondes Martenot is illgitimate, especially > > in the context of Analgue Systems who, after all, have dedicated a playing > > device to that goal. > > > > What brought me to modular synthesis was a similar attempt, the recreation of > > the Mixturtrautonium by Doepfer. Also not to be confused with the original, but > > very interesting nonetheless. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@...> > > To: analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 21:30:33 > > Subject: Re: [analogue_systems] ondes martenot > > > > I don't believe the sound can be replicated without the subtle pitch and > > volume modulations that come from the control mechanism. A synthesized > > human voice will not sound like a real person singing. The sound of an > > instrument is much more than the waveform; it is the expression in the > > playing. > > > > Monroe > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:54 AM, York Luethje <ybl@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tobin, > > > > > > Never played an Ondes Martenot but from what I heard and read it's > > > basically > > > a valve-based oscillator with a VCA. Timbres resemble your standard > > > waveforms: triangle, square etc. > > > > > > The real diffentiating factors are the loudspeakers. You have four: A > > > traditional one, one that uses a gong as diaphragm, one with a spring > > > reverb > > > and one with strings for resonance. Of course you also have the playing > > > mechanism (the AS French Connection was developed expressly to copy that). > > > > > > Patching up the first part should be straightforward: OSC - VCA (controlled > > > by an envelope). > > > > > > Part two is more difficult. The VCA output must be routed in parallel to a > > > spring reverb and a ring modulator (for the metallic overtones). Harmomic > > > resonance is more difficult to replicate but you could try using several > > > filters tuned to different frequencies (I've had surprisingly good results > > > using the Doepfer A-127). The outputs of all three building blocks are then > > > summed together in a mixer to provide the final output. > > > > > > If you don't have a French Connection you can approximate the playing style > > > using a ribbon controller (such as the Doepfer R2M). > > > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > > > York > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Von: analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von jones_tobin > > > Gesendet: Montag, 11. April 2011 13:22 > > > An: analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com > > > Betreff: [analogue_systems] ondes martenot > > > > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > > > I am new to synthesis but am really keen to learn more. > > > At the studio I work at we have an AS Systems 8500 and a Sorceror Keyboard. > > > Just wondering if any one has a patch Diagram for making an Ondes Martenot > > > type sound, any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Tobin > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2011-04-14 by tim p
Hi everyone, I was recently gifted a book on synthesis (coincidentally by the chap that sold me his RS Integrators) that dealt with the synthesis of various instruments. If interested, I could pull the name and author. Cheers On 14 Apr 2011, at 03:14, "york luethje" <ybl@yahoo.com> wrote: > I agree. In addition there are the vacuum tube osciallators, the different > diffusors (loudspeakers) etc. As with any real instrument, the original can not > be replicated. > > I regard attempts to recreate sounds as an intellectual exercise. I would never > use a 'realistic' violin sound in an electronic track. I am, however, quite > interested in understanding how the violin sound is created and will try to > emulate it, simply to see what makes it up. > > So I don't think trying o recreate an Ondes Martenot is illgitimate, especially > in the context of Analgue Systems who, after all, have dedicated a playing > device to that goal. > > What brought me to modular synthesis was a similar attempt, the recreation of > the Mixturtrautonium by Doepfer. Also not to be confused with the original, but > very interesting nonetheless. > > ________________________________ > From: Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@gmail.com> > To: analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 21:30:33 > Subject: Re: [analogue_systems] ondes martenot > > I don't believe the sound can be replicated without the subtle pitch and > volume modulations that come from the control mechanism. A synthesized > human voice will not sound like a real person singing. The sound of an > instrument is much more than the waveform; it is the expression in the > playing. > > Monroe > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:54 AM, York Luethje <ybl@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Tobin, > > > > Never played an Ondes Martenot but from what I heard and read it's > > basically > > a valve-based oscillator with a VCA. Timbres resemble your standard > > waveforms: triangle, square etc. > > > > The real diffentiating factors are the loudspeakers. You have four: A > > traditional one, one that uses a gong as diaphragm, one with a spring > > reverb > > and one with strings for resonance. Of course you also have the playing > > mechanism (the AS French Connection was developed expressly to copy that). > > > > Patching up the first part should be straightforward: OSC - VCA (controlled > > by an envelope). > > > > Part two is more difficult. The VCA output must be routed in parallel to a > > spring reverb and a ring modulator (for the metallic overtones). Harmomic > > resonance is more difficult to replicate but you could try using several > > filters tuned to different frequencies (I've had surprisingly good results > > using the Doepfer A-127). The outputs of all three building blocks are then > > summed together in a mixer to provide the final output. > > > > If you don't have a French Connection you can approximate the playing style > > using a ribbon controller (such as the Doepfer R2M). > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > York > > > > _____ > > > > Von: analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von jones_tobin > > Gesendet: Montag, 11. April 2011 13:22 > > An: analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com > > Betreff: [analogue_systems] ondes martenot > > > > > > Hey guys > > > > I am new to synthesis but am really keen to learn more. > > At the studio I work at we have an AS Systems 8500 and a Sorceror Keyboard. > > Just wondering if any one has a patch Diagram for making an Ondes Martenot > > type sound, any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Cheers > > > > Tobin > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-04-17 by tim p
A Synthesist's Guide to Acoustic Instruments Howard Massey , Alex Noyes , Dan Shklair A step by step guide to understanding why different instruments sound the way they do... On 14 Apr 2011, at 09:26, "tim p" <target9@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, I was recently gifted a book on synthesis (coincidentally by the chap that sold me his RS Integrators) that dealt with the synthesis of various instruments. > > If interested, I could pull the name and author. > > Cheers > > > > > > > > On 14 Apr 2011, at 03:14, "york luethje" <ybl@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> I agree. In addition there are the vacuum tube osciallators, the different >> diffusors (loudspeakers) etc. As with any real instrument, the original can not >> be replicated. >> >> I regard attempts to recreate sounds as an intellectual exercise. I would never >> use a 'realistic' violin sound in an electronic track. I am, however, quite >> interested in understanding how the violin sound is created and will try to >> emulate it, simply to see what makes it up. >> >> So I don't think trying o recreate an Ondes Martenot is illgitimate, especially >> in the context of Analgue Systems who, after all, have dedicated a playing >> device to that goal. >> >> What brought me to modular synthesis was a similar attempt, the recreation of >> the Mixturtrautonium by Doepfer. Also not to be confused with the original, but >> very interesting nonetheless. >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@gmail.com> >> To: analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 21:30:33 >> Subject: Re: [analogue_systems] ondes martenot >> >> I don't believe the sound can be replicated without the subtle pitch and >> volume modulations that come from the control mechanism. A synthesized >> human voice will not sound like a real person singing. The sound of an >> instrument is much more than the waveform; it is the expression in the >> playing. >> >> Monroe >> >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:54 AM, York Luethje <ybl@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > Hi Tobin, >> > >> > Never played an Ondes Martenot but from what I heard and read it's >> > basically >> > a valve-based oscillator with a VCA. Timbres resemble your standard >> > waveforms: triangle, square etc. >> > >> > The real diffentiating factors are the loudspeakers. You have four: A >> > traditional one, one that uses a gong as diaphragm, one with a spring >> > reverb >> > and one with strings for resonance. Of course you also have the playing >> > mechanism (the AS French Connection was developed expressly to copy that). >> > >> > Patching up the first part should be straightforward: OSC - VCA (controlled >> > by an envelope). >> > >> > Part two is more difficult. The VCA output must be routed in parallel to a >> > spring reverb and a ring modulator (for the metallic overtones). Harmomic >> > resonance is more difficult to replicate but you could try using several >> > filters tuned to different frequencies (I've had surprisingly good results >> > using the Doepfer A-127). The outputs of all three building blocks are then >> > summed together in a mixer to provide the final output. >> > >> > If you don't have a French Connection you can approximate the playing style >> > using a ribbon controller (such as the Doepfer R2M). >> > >> > Hope this helps, >> > >> > York >> > >> > _____ >> > >> > Von: analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com >> > [mailto:analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von jones_tobin >> > Gesendet: Montag, 11. April 2011 13:22 >> > An: analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com >> > Betreff: [analogue_systems] ondes martenot >> > >> > >> > Hey guys >> > >> > I am new to synthesis but am really keen to learn more. >> > At the studio I work at we have an AS Systems 8500 and a Sorceror Keyboard. >> > Just wondering if any one has a patch Diagram for making an Ondes Martenot >> > type sound, any help would be greatly appreciated. >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > Tobin >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]