Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

I've had this thing for years now and have never done anything interesting with it.  I just finally found a real need for it beyond just using it as a simple mixer control.  I am having some problems though.

First off, the USB modes are giving me issues.  I want to be able to use the BCF to send MIDI to an Axe-FX Ultra and I also want it to pass data through from an FCB1010 footcontroller.  But I also want to be able to have the SW editor (Axe-Edit) communicate with the Axe-FX via MIDI to USB both ways.  I've got no problem if I have to switch from standalone to USB mode for total control, but I can't get the BCF to pass MIDI from the Axe-FX to the PC through USB no matter what mode I am in.  I can send from the PC to the Axe-FX for patch changes, but the BCF won't pass the patch data back to the PC, I get buffer underrun errors, so it's seeing something.  It also recognizes the firmware so there is some communication, just not all of the data.

Second question is actually a bigger deal for me.  I would like to use the footswitch to cycle between banks A B and C.  I know that this is CC#0 with values of 0, 1, and 2.  I just have no idea how to do it.  Any tips or information would be GREATLY appreciated.  I tried using the BCEDIT tool and it crashes, took a look at the manual and I am just not smart enough yet on MIDI to figure out what I am doing.

> First off, the USB modes are giving me issues.  I want to be able to use the BCF to send MIDI to an Axe-FX Ultra and I also want it to pass data through from an FCB1010 footcontroller.
>  But I also want to be able to have the SW editor (Axe-Edit) communicate with the Axe-FX via MIDI to USB both ways. 

             BCF (MidiA)-> Axe    Mode U2,3,4 M1,2,3,4
FCB(Midi) -> BCF (MidiA)-> Axe    Mode U2,3,4 (only if Midi Thru in PC)M1,2,3
  PC(USB) -> BCF (MidiA)-> Axe    Mode U2,3,4 

U4 will merge incoming Midi data with the BC and send it to your PC.
You then have to use MidiOx or a sequencer to loop it back to BC MidiA

This will get all three working at the same time.


> I've got no problem if I have to switch from standalone to USB mode for total control, but I can't get the BCF to pass MIDI from the Axe-FX to the PC through USB no matter what mode I am in.

Set the BC to mode U4 and load MidiOx.
Join BCF input to BCF output (this is port A) in MidiOx

Start your editor and output to BCF as well
On MidiOx you wont see the editor sending data but you should have all three working now and sending data to the Axe. 
If you are sending sysex from you keyboard you will need  to enable sysex thru in MidiOx

>  I can send from the PC to the Axe-FX for patch changes, but the BCF won't pass the patch data back to the PC, 

Why do you want to get the PC to send midi and then receive the same Midi??

>I get buffer underrun errors, so it's seeing something.

This is usually when you have created a loop and the Midi data is going round and round (like acoustic feedback)

What are you trying to do here???

 
> Second question is actually a bigger deal for me.  I would like to use the footswitch to cycle between banks A B and C.  I know that this is CC#0 with values of 0, 1, and 2.  I just have no idea how to do it.  

If you mean a passive footswitch connected to the BCF then
Get the programming guide from Behringer 
http://www.behringerdownload.de/BCR2000/B-CONTROL_Programming_ENG.pdf

Or get Mark's editor from his website

If you mean use the FCB I think you are out of luck as I don't think the FCB can send incremental message like the BCF can.

You might like to use the remote switch on the FCB connected to the second foot switch on the BCF. 
That is you will need to connect the Midi from the FCB to the BCF AND a 1/4inch guitar type lead from the remote switch on the FCB to the F2 on the BCF.

Program this on the BCF either from the front panel or Mark's editor.

All the best

Royce

Thanks for the reply.  I will mess with MIDI-OX later as it is pretty late, but I did manage to get the footswitch programmed thanks to BCManager.  It took a while to get it figured out, but once I figured out how to get around it wasn't bad at all; even for a complete MIDIot like me.  It's pretty impressive to say the least.  I do have communication with everything right now, but I had to use another MIDI to USB adapter to get the messages from the Axe-FX back to the PC.  

What I was hoping to do was to use the BCF2000 as an external device to adjust things like gain, delay times, mix levels, etc without having to use the buttons on the Axe-FX or even with the editor.  I figured that it would be quicker once I got a few preset panels set up.  Plus I just built a really nice little rack and have the BCF2000 mounted right there on a shelf and it would just be so convenient to be able to do everything right there via PC or standalone if I was at a gig or something.

But the kicker is that it doesn't look like there is a lot of options inside of the Axe-FX that are MIDI controllable anyway; at least not to the degree that I was hoping for.  I can turn any device on or off in the effects chains, but that's a footcontroller function primarily.  Other than that I've only got 8 modifiers to work with that I can program to the BCF2000 and 2 of those are taken up by the expression pedals on the floorcontroller.

But the cool part is that now I've got a bit of a taste of what this thing can do and how to program it I can use it for Adobe Audition which is something that I really need to get up to speed on for work anyway.  

Thanks again, I'll check out MIDI-OX (been using it to death for years now so I do know it pretty well).

Andrew

OK, I decided to give it a go, sleep be damned...;)

Only thing I don't see in your wiring configurations is Axe-FX MIDI output going back to the PC.  Perhaps I am misreading it.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Royce" <rpcfender@...> wrote:

>
> 
> > First off, the USB modes are giving me issues.  I want to be able to use the BCF to send MIDI to an Axe-FX Ultra and I also want it to pass data through from an FCB1010 footcontroller.
> >  But I also want to be able to have the SW editor (Axe-Edit) communicate with the Axe-FX via MIDI to USB both ways. 
> 
>              BCF (MidiA)-> Axe    Mode U2,3,4 M1,2,3,4
> FCB(Midi) -> BCF (MidiA)-> Axe    Mode U2,3,4 (only if Midi Thru in PC)M1,2,3
>   PC(USB) -> BCF (MidiA)-> Axe    Mode U2,3,4 
> 
> U4 will merge incoming Midi data with the BC and send it to your PC.
> You then have to use MidiOx or a sequencer to loop it back to BC MidiA
> 
> This will get all three working at the same time.
> 
> 
> > I've got no problem if I have to switch from standalone to USB mode for total control, but I can't get the BCF to pass MIDI from the Axe-FX to the PC through USB no matter what mode I am in.
> 
> Set the BC to mode U4 and load MidiOx.
> Join BCF input to BCF output (this is port A) in MidiOx
> 
> Start your editor and output to BCF as well
> On MidiOx you wont see the editor sending data but you should have all three working now and sending data to the Axe. 
> If you are sending sysex from you keyboard you will need  to enable sysex thru in MidiOx
> 
> >  I can send from the PC to the Axe-FX for patch changes, but the BCF won't pass the patch data back to the PC, 
> 
> Why do you want to get the PC to send midi and then receive the same Midi??
> 
> >I get buffer underrun errors, so it's seeing something.
> 
> This is usually when you have created a loop and the Midi data is going round and round (like acoustic feedback)
> 
> What are you trying to do here???
> 
>  
> > Second question is actually a bigger deal for me.  I would like to use the footswitch to cycle between banks A B and C.  I know that this is CC#0 with values of 0, 1, and 2.  I just have no idea how to do it.  
> 
> If you mean a passive footswitch connected to the BCF then
> Get the programming guide from Behringer 
> http://www.behringerdownload.de/BCR2000/B-CONTROL_Programming_ENG.pdf
> 
> Or get Mark's editor from his website
> 
> If you mean use the FCB I think you are out of luck as I don't think the FCB can send incremental message like the BCF can.
> 
> You might like to use the remote switch on the FCB connected to the second foot switch on the BCF. 
> That is you will need to connect the Midi from the FCB to the BCF AND a 1/4inch guitar type lead from the remote switch on the FCB to the F2 on the BCF.
> 
> Program this on the BCF either from the front panel or Mark's editor.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Royce
>

OK, this is bugging me now.  This was my original vision:

FCB1010--->Axe-FX--->BCF2000(MIDI A)--->FCB1010(using merge)

The PC should be able to communicate to the Axe-FX through the USB of the BCF2000.  

The Axe needs to be able to communicate back to the PC through the BCF2000.

I did manage to get the MIDI-OX port mapping to work while in USB mode so that I can control the Axe-FX while in USB mode, but that isn't a huge deal.  I can work in standalone that way.

The issue is that I can't get communication back from the Axe-FX to the PC without getting buffer underflow errors.  I monitored it with MIDI-OX and there is definitely sysex data coming back in huge quantities; it just seems like the BCF2000 is choking on it.

The Axe-Edit program has a buffer size of 256 and a buffer delay of 60ms.  I did manage to find the buffer delay setting in the BCF2000's global menu, but I am not sure if the buffer size is right.  I can adjust it in the application if need be; I just don't know what it should be set at.

I also found a link to the sysex data for all of the parameters in the Axe-FX.  Looks like I'll be doing a lot of reading the next few weeks.

Re: BCF2000 newbie questions

> FCB1010--->Axe-FX--->BCF2000(MIDI A)--->FCB1010(using merge)

I can't understand this connection.

If a Midi message is transmitted from any gear it would go around and around

FCB->Axe->BCF->FCB(merge)->Axe->BCF->FCB(merge) etc

>
> The PC should be able to communicate to the Axe-FX through the USB of the
BCF2000.
>
> The Axe needs to be able to communicate back to the PC through the BCF2000.


Take the FCBout of the equation
Try just Mode U4 with just the PC, the BCF and the Axe connected

PCout->BCF USBin->BCFMidiAout->Axe
Axe->BCF Midiin->BCF USB out->PCin

Although it looks like a loop it isn't because PCin is not connected to PCout
ie the PC sends some Midi and it ends up at the Axe. The Axe sends midi and it
ends up at the PC.
If you move a fader the BCF could send a message to the Axe



> I did manage to get the MIDI-OX port mapping to work while in USB mode so that
I can control the Axe-FX while in USB mode, but that isn't a huge deal. I can
work in standalone that way.

So the USB is working, then it just sounds like you are not connected correctly.


Getting closer?

Royce