Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

My BCR has done what I expected might happen...

My BCR is in U-3 mode which means it can not accept MIDI from the rear
ports. The preset and system buttons have CCs set up on them which
means I can't change my BCR to S-1 - S-4 because I can't get to
Edit>Global mode. This means I really need to fix the USB driver now.
I have no idea what's up with it, all I know is that I can't get SysEx
to send to it. Otherwise, MIDI works fine to/from it. The only error
message I've seen from the USB driver has been "The I/O device
reported an I/O error", which shows up every time I turn it on when I
have the 1.2.1.3 driver installed ( - even on a fresh copy of
windows.) Can anybody help?!


The last thing I did was to restore the factory default presets, then
I wanted to send one preset to it. This came up with a small r on the
top left of the display but proceeded to accept the preset. I tried to
send it again, but the same thing happened, even with another old
preset that should be fine.

When I try to send anything to it now, there is no display of any kind
of input, and there is no change on the LCD display. The green USB
light is on though.

If anyone could possibly help me here I'd really appreciate it!

Regards,
-Ryan

Hi Ryan
what I would do is the 'Panic reset' Hold 'EDIT' press 'EXIT'
PAnC appears in the display and you should be able to work from there.

It really sounds like you either have faulty hardware or, more likely
corrupted firmware in the flash.

Load the the latest firmware with MidiOx on the MIDI ports - set to
S-1 (don't bother with the USB).

If it is still faulty I suggest that you either get it serviced, but
this may be as expensive a good second hand unit, or open it up and
press the Flash chip back into it's socket. 

If this doesn't work see if you can get a new CPU board from Behringer
and replace it yourself.

Hope it works.

Royce



--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "k0mp0" <k0mp0ser@...> wrote:

>
> My BCR has done what I expected might happen...
> 
> My BCR is in U-3 mode which means it can not accept MIDI from the rear
> ports. The preset and system buttons have CCs set up on them which
> means I can't change my BCR to S-1 - S-4 because I can't get to
> Edit>Global mode. This means I really need to fix the USB driver now.
> I have no idea what's up with it, all I know is that I can't get SysEx
> to send to it. Otherwise, MIDI works fine to/from it. The only error
> message I've seen from the USB driver has been "The I/O device
> reported an I/O error", which shows up every time I turn it on when I
> have the 1.2.1.3 driver installed ( - even on a fresh copy of
> windows.) Can anybody help?!
> 
> 
> The last thing I did was to restore the factory default presets, then
> I wanted to send one preset to it. This came up with a small r on the
> top left of the display but proceeded to accept the preset. I tried to
> send it again, but the same thing happened, even with another old
> preset that should be fine.
> 
> When I try to send anything to it now, there is no display of any kind
> of input, and there is no change on the LCD display. The green USB
> light is on though.
> 
> If anyone could possibly help me here I'd really appreciate it!
> 
> Regards,
> -Ryan
>

Hi rpcfender,

Thanks for your help, but this unit is way more stuck than you think!

If I could use the system buttons to get to edit>global mode I would
be able to change it to S-3 and have no problem sending a new SysEx to
it through the MIDI-IN port at the rear. The thing is, the system
buttons and the preset buttons are all changed to CCs so I can't
change to any other mode or any other preset. This, coupled with the
fact that the broken USB driver does not let the BCR receive SysEx
over the USB MIDI port, makes my unit stuck in U-3 mode, unable to
change. I can't send a new SysEx to it, or change the preset, or reset
the unit holding the EDIT and EXIT buttons, so I'm looking for some
other way to change the preset on it.

I opened up the unit today and tried taking the flash chip out and
putting it back again. This didn't reset the flash in any way and the
unit is operating just as it was before I took it apart, so, no luck
there.

Maybe I can get a new CPU board or a new flash chip from Behringer,
but I won't be very happy paying for a replacement part for something
that was broken when I bought it. I should have send it for repairs as
soon as I found the problem, but I thought it was a windows/USB
port/driver error.

Anyway, I'll see what Behringer say about sending me a replacement
part but if anybody can think of a way to change to a new preset on
this, please let me know.

Thanks,
-Ryan

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "rpcfender" <rpcfender@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Ryan
> what I would do is the 'Panic reset' Hold 'EDIT' press 'EXIT'
> PAnC appears in the display and you should be able to work from there.
> 
> It really sounds like you either have faulty hardware or, more likely
> corrupted firmware in the flash.
> 
> Load the the latest firmware with MidiOx on the MIDI ports - set to
> S-1 (don't bother with the USB).
> 
> If it is still faulty I suggest that you either get it serviced, but
> this may be as expensive a good second hand unit, or open it up and
> press the Flash chip back into it's socket. 
> 
> If this doesn't work see if you can get a new CPU board from Behringer
> and replace it yourself.
> 
> Hope it works.
> 
> Royce
> 
> 
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "k0mp0" <k0mp0ser@> wrote:
> >
> > My BCR has done what I expected might happen...
> > 
> > My BCR is in U-3 mode which means it can not accept MIDI from the rear
> > ports. The preset and system buttons have CCs set up on them which
> > means I can't change my BCR to S-1 - S-4 because I can't get to
> > Edit>Global mode. This means I really need to fix the USB driver now.
> > I have no idea what's up with it, all I know is that I can't get SysEx
> > to send to it. Otherwise, MIDI works fine to/from it. The only error
> > message I've seen from the USB driver has been "The I/O device
> > reported an I/O error", which shows up every time I turn it on when I
> > have the 1.2.1.3 driver installed ( - even on a fresh copy of
> > windows.) Can anybody help?!
> > 
> > 
> > The last thing I did was to restore the factory default presets, then
> > I wanted to send one preset to it. This came up with a small r on the
> > top left of the display but proceeded to accept the preset. I tried to
> > send it again, but the same thing happened, even with another old
> > preset that should be fine.
> > 
> > When I try to send anything to it now, there is no display of any kind
> > of input, and there is no change on the LCD display. The green USB
> > light is on though.
> > 
> > If anyone could possibly help me here I'd really appreciate it!
> > 
> > Regards,
> > -Ryan
> >
>

OK, Try this.
Power off the unit
Press and hold 'exit' &  'store'
This should initialize the preset buffer.


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "k0mp0" <k0mp0ser@...> wrote:
>
> Hi rpcfender,
>
> Thanks for your help, but this unit is way more stuck than you think!
>
> If I could use the system buttons to get to edit>global mode I would
> be able to change it to S-3 and have no problem sending a new SysEx to
> it through the MIDI-IN port at the rear. The thing is, the system
> buttons and the preset buttons are all changed to CCs so I can't
> change to any other mode or any other preset. This, coupled with the
> fact that the broken USB driver does not let the BCR receive SysEx
> over the USB MIDI port, makes my unit stuck in U-3 mode, unable to
> change. I can't send a new SysEx to it, or change the preset, or reset
> the unit holding the EDIT and EXIT buttons, so I'm looking for some
> other way to change the preset on it.
>
> I opened up the unit today and tried taking the flash chip out and
> putting it back again. This didn't reset the flash in any way and the
> unit is operating just as it was before I took it apart, so, no luck
> there.
>
> Maybe I can get a new CPU board or a new flash chip from Behringer,
> but I won't be very happy paying for a replacement part for something
> that was broken when I bought it. I should have send it for repairs as
> soon as I found the problem, but I thought it was a windows/USB
> port/driver error.
>
> Anyway, I'll see what Behringer say about sending me a replacement
> part but if anybody can think of a way to change to a new preset on
> this, please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> -Ryan
>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "rpcfender" rpcfender@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ryan
> > what I would do is the 'Panic reset' Hold 'EDIT' press 'EXIT'
> > PAnC appears in the display and you should be able to work from
there.
> >
> > It really sounds like you either have faulty hardware or, more
likely
> > corrupted firmware in the flash.
> >
> > Load the the latest firmware with MidiOx on the MIDI ports - set to
> > S-1 (don't bother with the USB).
> >
> > If it is still faulty I suggest that you either get it serviced, but
> > this may be as expensive a good second hand unit, or open it up and
> > press the Flash chip back into it's socket.
> >
> > If this doesn't work see if you can get a new CPU board from
Behringer
> > and replace it yourself.
> >
> > Hope it works.
> >
> > Royce
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "k0mp0" <k0mp0ser@> wrote:
> > >
> > > My BCR has done what I expected might happen...
> > >
> > > My BCR is in U-3 mode which means it can not accept MIDI from the
rear
> > > ports. The preset and system buttons have CCs set up on them which
> > > means I can't change my BCR to S-1 - S-4 because I can't get to
> > > Edit>Global mode. This means I really need to fix the USB driver
now.
> > > I have no idea what's up with it, all I know is that I can't get
SysEx
> > > to send to it. Otherwise, MIDI works fine to/from it. The only
error
> > > message I've seen from the USB driver has been "The I/O device
> > > reported an I/O error", which shows up every time I turn it on
when I
> > > have the 1.2.1.3 driver installed ( - even on a fresh copy of
> > > windows.) Can anybody help?!
> > >
> > >
> > > The last thing I did was to restore the factory default presets,
then
> > > I wanted to send one preset to it. This came up with a small r on
the
> > > top left of the display but proceeded to accept the preset. I
tried to
> > > send it again, but the same thing happened, even with another old
> > > preset that should be fine.
> > >
> > > When I try to send anything to it now, there is no display of any
kind

> > > of input, and there is no change on the LCD display. The green USB
> > > light is on though.
> > >
> > > If anyone could possibly help me here I'd really appreciate it!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > -Ryan
> > >
> >
>

OK I messed up again

  Try this.
  Power off the unit
  Press and hold 'exit' &  'store'
Power on while holding down the buttons.
  This should initialize the preset buffer.

I tried this, it didn't work! But what I did find, was that the USB
port on the BCR had a problem, it's loose or something. After screwing
the BCR back together once I had removed and replaced the flash chip,
I held the USB lead down as I pushed it in and turned it on, and
noticed that windows didn't pop up an error from the tray saying the
usual "The I/O device reported an I/O error", so I was able to change
it to S-3 mode from which I could properly control the unit from. 

So, maybe one day I'll open it up to fix the USB port on it if I need
to, for now though I'll just leave it as it is and use it in S-3 mode!

Thanks for helping!
-Ryan

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "rpcfender" <rpcfender@...> wrote:

>
> 
> OK I messed up again
> 
>   Try this.
>   Power off the unit
>   Press and hold 'exit' &  'store'
> Power on while holding down the buttons.
>   This should initialize the preset buffer.
>

Ryan'
  glad to hear you got it going again.
What version of the firmware are you running?
This is very curious as start up works perfectly for me and I have 1.10

If you power up with store and learn pressed does it display "LOAd" ?
(you have to turn it off to cancel this)

As far as the USB it sounds like there is a bad solder joint  on the
PCB. What are your soldering skills like?

All the best

Royce

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "k0mp0" <k0mp0ser@...> wrote:

>
> I tried this, it didn't work! But what I did find, was that the USB
> port on the BCR had a problem, it's loose or something. After screwing
> the BCR back together once I had removed and replaced the flash chip,
> I held the USB lead down as I pushed it in and turned it on, and
> noticed that windows didn't pop up an error from the tray saying the
> usual "The I/O device reported an I/O error", so I was able to change
> it to S-3 mode from which I could properly control the unit from.
>
> So, maybe one day I'll open it up to fix the USB port on it if I need
> to, for now though I'll just leave it as it is and use it in S-3 mode!
>
> Thanks for helping!
> -Ryan
>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "rpcfender" rpcfender@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > OK I messed up again
> >
> >   Try this.
> >   Power off the unit
> >   Press and hold 'exit' &  'store'
> > Power on while holding down the buttons.
> >   This should initialize the preset buffer.
> >
>

I'm running 1.10 on both units. I'm not sure how you mean by the start
up working on yours, do you think start up on mine is different?

The only difference I can think you might think there is, is when I
said holding EDIT and EXIT doesn't work, but this was because it was
starting up into a preset that didn't have functioning system buttons.
When I tried it, it would do nothing apart from show 'off' in the
display when I let go of the buttons. 

I'm sure it would work now but I don't need to do it as I have it working.

Yes, it says 'Learn' when I start it up holding STORE and LEARN. Does
this put it into a mode that accepts SysEx on all MIDI-in ports (even
in USB mode?) or something?


My soldering skills aren't great, I've pretty much broken two
soldering iron tips somehow, and I usually can't heat the joints up
too well with my weak cheapo iron. I'm thinking of buying a decent one
some day, but I wouldn't like to flick and spill molten solder onto
the board in my BCR just yet, especially when I can do everything I
need to in S-3 now.

I'm just trying to figure out how to use .tx now, could you kick start
me by telling me what would work to get an encoder to send one CC when
turned anti-clockwise, and a different CC when turned clockwise?

I tried this, and a few variants of it but it doesn't output a thing
when turned:


$rev R1
$preset
  .name 'TRAKTOR (P2)            '
  .request off
  .egroups 4
  .fkeys off
  .lock on
  .init

$encoder 1
.tx ifn $B0 $00 $7F ifp $B0 $01 $7F
$end


What I was after was an encoder that when turned anticlockwise would
send a value of 127 on MIDI Ch 1, CC 1, and when turned clockwise
would send a value of 127 on MIDI Ch 1, CC 2. 

Regards,
-Ryan


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "rpcfender" <rpcfender@...> wrote:

>
> Ryan'
>   glad to hear you got it going again.
> What version of the firmware are you running?
> This is very curious as start up works perfectly for me and I have 1.10
> 
> If you power up with store and learn pressed does it display "LOAd" ?
> (you have to turn it off to cancel this)
> 
> As far as the USB it sounds like there is a bad solder joint  on the
> PCB. What are your soldering skills like?
> 
> All the best
> 
> Royce
> 
> --- In bc2000@...m, "k0mp0" <k0mp0ser@> wrote:
> >
> > I tried this, it didn't work! But what I did find, was that the USB
> > port on the BCR had a problem, it's loose or something. After screwing
> > the BCR back together once I had removed and replaced the flash chip,
> > I held the USB lead down as I pushed it in and turned it on, and
> > noticed that windows didn't pop up an error from the tray saying the
> > usual "The I/O device reported an I/O error", so I was able to change
> > it to S-3 mode from which I could properly control the unit from.
> >
> > So, maybe one day I'll open it up to fix the USB port on it if I need
> > to, for now though I'll just leave it as it is and use it in S-3 mode!
> >
> > Thanks for helping!
> > -Ryan
> >
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "rpcfender" rpcfender@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > OK I messed up again
> > >
> > >   Try this.
> > >   Power off the unit
> > >   Press and hold 'exit' &  'store'
> > > Power on while holding down the buttons.
> > >   This should initialize the preset buffer.
> > >
> >
>

>To get functioning fkeys you need to have  .fkeys on. The init preset
has  .fkeys on set.
>So if you get a locked unit, power on with store+exit .
The 'init' should flash for about half a second , the controls should
all be dark except for group select 1 button.
>Now you can press exit+store to get to the global area to set
.startup from last to a preset that doesn't lock all the keys.

That's exactly what I need... I think this is good info for the Wiki
too. It's strange that Behringer didn't put this into the manual.

The .tx works fine, thanks!

Can I ask for a small feature the next time you make a change to
BCREditor? It would be nice if it would store the value of the 'Auto
Refresh' checkbox in the .ini file, so the next time I load it and go
to the Save & Get page, it doesn't send out a preset name request to
both my units as it messes up when it receives data from both of them
and I have to click make a change in the 'Sysex Header Bytes' section
and refresh it again to get a valid reading. It would also be good if
it also stored the values set in the 'Sysex Header Bytes' section.

I know it's not too important but it would just be nice to not have to
wait for both devices to finish sending data for no reason before I
could carry on. :)

Thanks Royce,
-Ryan


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "rpcfender" <rpcfender@...> wrote:

>
> Ryan
> 
> > I'm running 1.10 on both units. I'm not sure how you mean by the start
> > up working on yours, do you think start up on mine is different?
> 
> I though you might be
> 
> > The only difference I can think you might think there is, is when I
> > said holding EDIT and EXIT doesn't work, but this was because it was
> > starting up into a preset that didn't have functioning system buttons.
> > When I tried it, it would do nothing apart from show 'off' in the
> > display when I let go of the buttons.
> 
> To get functioning fkeys you need to have  .fkeys on. The init preset
> has  .fkeys on set.
> So if you get a locked unit, power on with store+exit .
> The 'init' should flash for about half a second , the controls should
> all be dark except for group select 1 button.
> Now you can press exit+store to get to the global area to set .startup
> from last to a preset that doesn't lock all the keys.
> 
> > I'm sure it would work now but I don't need to do it as I have it
> working.
> 
> Sounds good
> 
> > Yes, it says 'Learn' when I start it up holding STORE and LEARN. Does
> > this put it into a mode that accepts SysEx on all MIDI-in ports (even
> > in USB mode?) or something?
> 
> There are only 4 characters in the display and it should display 'LOAd'
> This state is one way to LOAD a new version of the firmware into the
> flash.
> 
> > My soldering skills aren't great, I've pretty much broken two
> > soldering iron tips somehow, and I usually can't heat the joints up
> > too well with my weak cheapo iron. I'm thinking of buying a decent one
> > some day, but I wouldn't like to flick and spill molten solder onto
> > the board in my BCR just yet, especially when I can do everything I
> > need to in S-3 now.
> 
> Sounds like you will need a tech to help out.
> 
> >
> > I'm just trying to figure out how to use .tx now, could you kick start
> > me by telling me what would work to get an encoder to send one CC when
> > turned anti-clockwise, and a different CC when turned clockwise?
> >
> > I tried this, and a few variants of it but it doesn't output a thing
> > when turned:
> >
> >
> > $rev R1
> > $preset
> >   .name 'TRAKTOR (P2)            '
> >   .request off
> >   .egroups 4
> >   .fkeys off
> >   .lock on
> >   .init
> >
> > $encoder 1
> > .tx ifn $B0 $00 $7F ifp $B0 $01 $7F
> > $end
> 
> 
> > What I was after was an encoder that when turned anticlockwise would
> > send a value of 127 on MIDI Ch 1, CC 1, and when turned clockwise
> > would send a value of 127 on MIDI Ch 1, CC 2.
> 
> You are sooo close
> 
> When you use the encoder with .tx you must have at least a .resolution
> command.
> You are not using val so you don't need minmax or default
> The default value are .resolution 96 96 96 96 or the unit is just as
> happy with .resolution 96
> 
> $rev R1
> $preset
>   .name 'TRAKTOR (P2)            '
>   .request off
>   .egroups 4
>   .fkeys off
>   .lock on
>   .init
> 
> $encoder 1
>   .resolution 96 96 96 96
>   .tx ifn $B0 $00 $7F ifp $B0 $01 $7F
> $end
> 
> This should work OK
> 
> All the best
> Royce
>

Hi Ryan
> Can I ask for a small feature the next time you make a change to
> BCREditor? It would be nice if it would store the value of the 'Auto
> Refresh' checkbox in the .ini file, so the next time I load it and go
> to the Save & Get page, it doesn't send out a preset name request to
> both my units as it messes up when it receives data from both of them
> and I have to click make a change in the 'Sysex Header Bytes' section
> and refresh it again to get a valid reading. It would also be good if
> it also stored the values set in the 'Sysex Header Bytes' section.
> 
> I know it's not too important but it would just be nice to not have to
> wait for both devices to finish sending data for no reason before I
> could carry on. :)

The AutoRefresh, AutoStore, Sysex Header Bytes and the ID are now
stored with the Midi In and Out devices in the ini file.
The new version is in the files section (the old version has been removed)
You can be the beta tester for me and let me know if it is OK.

All the best

Royce