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bi-n-tic as VCO

2006-03-02 by c10h14no2i

Ive been having great fun w/ the bi-n-tic filter, but have one issue
when using it as a VCO. The higher frequencies are very quiet. I
know this is a filter, so if thats just the way it is, then thats
fine. If it should operate w/ a roughly uniform volume at the entire
audio range, I'd be happy for suggestions of what the cause could be.

thanks
Scott

Re: bi-n-tic as VCO

2006-03-02 by Pete

After using this Filter for a while now I have come to the conclusion that
this is really a VCO with crazy FM options. I do understand what you mean
about the high frequencies, but I think its just reaching its last octave at
this point and it may be a normal response to become quieter (for humans at
least). Is this correct? This VCO seems to be in the mid freq range, though
you can obtain some serious bass freq's too. Here is a track I made
recently. You can hear the Bi-N-Tic at the beginning (the hypnotic sound)
and at the very end (the really grungy sound).

http://www.spread-it.com/dl.php?id=000a88528da0b261c720ab6ec8a15d078f61c417

pete
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On 3/1/06, c10h14no2i <c10h14no2i@...> wrote:
>
> Ive been having great fun w/ the bi-n-tic filter, but have one issue
> when using it as a VCO. The higher frequencies are very quiet. I
> know this is a filter, so if thats just the way it is, then thats
> fine. If it should operate w/ a roughly uniform volume at the entire
> audio range, I'd be happy for suggestions of what the cause could be.
>
> thanks
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: bi-n-tic as VCO

2006-03-02 by c10h14no2i

W/ mine, its not just the very high freq's, but everything above
maybe... c4. I'll have to do some better tests tomorrow. Im just
feeding it a voltage right now, and comparing it to a standard VCO.

Another thing I have noticed is that the SUB channels don't act the
way the sub oscillator (cgs 01) does. It doesn't lower the frequency
of the osc, but it puts in little gaps in the tone. The lower the
tone, the slower/longer the gaps.

so lets say this is the sound
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
this is a high frequency through the sub
/\/ \/\ /\/ \/\ /\/ \/\
this is a lower frequency
\/\/\ /\/\/ /\/\/\ /\/\/\

Is that what it is supposed to do, or should the sub output do what
the cgs01 modules does to the tone?

Thanks
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Pete <23isgood@...> wrote:
>
> After using this Filter for a while now I have come to the
conclusion that
> this is really a VCO with crazy FM options. I do understand what you
mean
> about the high frequencies, but I think its just reaching its last
octave at
> this point and it may be a normal response to become quieter (for
humans at
> least). Is this correct? This VCO seems to be in the mid freq range,
though
> you can obtain some serious bass freq's too. Here is a track I made
> recently. You can hear the Bi-N-Tic at the beginning (the hypnotic
sound)
> and at the very end (the really grungy sound).
>
>
http://www.spread-it.com/dl.php?id=000a88528da0b261c720ab6ec8a15d078f61c417
>
> pete
>
> On 3/1/06, c10h14no2i <c10h14no2i@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ive been having great fun w/ the bi-n-tic filter, but have one issue
> > when using it as a VCO. The higher frequencies are very quiet. I
> > know this is a filter, so if thats just the way it is, then thats
> > fine. If it should operate w/ a roughly uniform volume at the entire
> > audio range, I'd be happy for suggestions of what the cause could be.
> >
> > thanks
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: bi-n-tic as VCO

2006-03-02 by Pete

mine does that too.

On 3/1/06, c10h14no2i <c10h14no2i@...> wrote:
>
> W/ mine, its not just the very high freq's, but everything above
> maybe... c4. I'll have to do some better tests tomorrow. Im just
> feeding it a voltage right now, and comparing it to a standard VCO.
>
> Another thing I have noticed is that the SUB channels don't act the
> way the sub oscillator (cgs 01) does. It doesn't lower the frequency
> of the osc, but it puts in little gaps in the tone. The lower the
> tone, the slower/longer the gaps.
>
> so lets say this is the sound
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
> this is a high frequency through the sub
> /\/ \/\ /\/ \/\ /\/ \/\
> this is a lower frequency
> \/\/\ /\/\/ /\/\/\ /\/\/\
>
> Is that what it is supposed to do, or should the sub output do what
> the cgs01 modules does to the tone?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Pete <23isgood@...> wrote:
> >
> > After using this Filter for a while now I have come to the
> conclusion that
> > this is really a VCO with crazy FM options. I do understand what you
> mean
> > about the high frequencies, but I think its just reaching its last
> octave at
> > this point and it may be a normal response to become quieter (for
> humans at
> > least). Is this correct? This VCO seems to be in the mid freq range,
> though
> > you can obtain some serious bass freq's too. Here is a track I made
> > recently. You can hear the Bi-N-Tic at the beginning (the hypnotic
> sound)
> > and at the very end (the really grungy sound).
> >
> >
>
> http://www.spread-it.com/dl.php?id=000a88528da0b261c720ab6ec8a15d078f61c417
> >
> > pete
> >
> > On 3/1/06, c10h14no2i <c10h14no2i@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ive been having great fun w/ the bi-n-tic filter, but have one issue
> > > when using it as a VCO. The higher frequencies are very quiet. I
> > > know this is a filter, so if thats just the way it is, then thats
> > > fine. If it should operate w/ a roughly uniform volume at the entire
> > > audio range, I'd be happy for suggestions of what the cause could be.
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: bi-n-tic as VCO

2006-03-02 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

If you are referring the the outputs of the 4024, I would expect them to
remain constant, as per the CGS01.
It is entirely possible I have made an error in that VCO layout. I made
another project after this one using a modified artwork and that one does
indeed have issues. One's own errors are very hard to spot, and I have not
alternate quality control available to me.

Ken
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>W/ mine, its not just the very high freq's, but everything above
>maybe... c4. I'll have to do some better tests tomorrow. Im just
>feeding it a voltage right now, and comparing it to a standard VCO.
>
>Another thing I have noticed is that the SUB channels don't act the
>way the sub oscillator (cgs 01) does. It doesn't lower the frequency
>of the osc, but it puts in little gaps in the tone. The lower the
>tone, the slower/longer the gaps.
>
>so lets say this is the sound
>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
>this is a high frequency through the sub
>/\/ \/\ /\/ \/\ /\/ \/\
>this is a lower frequency
>\/\/\ /\/\/ /\/\/\ /\/\/\
>
>Is that what it is supposed to do, or should the sub output do what
>the cgs01 modules does to the tone?
>
>Thanks
>
>--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Pete <23isgood@...> wrote:
>>
>> After using this Filter for a while now I have come to the
>conclusion that
>> this is really a VCO with crazy FM options. I do understand what you
>mean
>> about the high frequencies, but I think its just reaching its last
>octave at
>> this point and it may be a normal response to become quieter (for
>humans at
>> least). Is this correct? This VCO seems to be in the mid freq range,
>though
>> you can obtain some serious bass freq's too. Here is a track I made
>> recently. You can hear the Bi-N-Tic at the beginning (the hypnotic
>sound)
>> and at the very end (the really grungy sound).
>>
>>
>http://www.spread-it.com/dl.php?id=000a88528da0b261c720ab6ec8a15d078f61c417
>>
>> pete
>>
>> On 3/1/06, c10h14no2i <c10h14no2i@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ive been having great fun w/ the bi-n-tic filter, but have one issue
>> > when using it as a VCO. The higher frequencies are very quiet. I
>> > know this is a filter, so if thats just the way it is, then thats
>> > fine. If it should operate w/ a roughly uniform volume at the entire
>> > audio range, I'd be happy for suggestions of what the cause could be.
>> >
>> > thanks
>> > Scott
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > SPONSORED LINKS
>> >
>Sampler<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sampler&w1=Sampler&w2=Electroni
c+instrument&w3=Music+synthesizers&w4=Synthesizer+music&w5=Electronic+music&
w6=Music+sampler&c=6&s=128&.sig=sxG9aCMlXQ2P1jigaHPKgA>
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Re: bi-n-tic as VCO

2006-03-02 by c10h14no2i

I just tested the output of the ca3140, and it sounds fine at all
frequencies.. just like the VCO. I guess the issue, if there is one,
is w/ the 4024. Its divided outputs definitely aren't lower
frequencies. It just puts little gaps in the sound relative to the
frequency it is getting. When running a low freq into it, the lower
divisions give pulses of sound, but each pulse is the same tone that
the OSC is outputting. It is definitely an interesting effect. Im
just not shure if it is correct.
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@... wrote:
>
> If you are referring the the outputs of the 4024, I would expect them to
> remain constant, as per the CGS01.
> It is entirely possible I have made an error in that VCO layout. I made
> another project after this one using a modified artwork and that one
does
> indeed have issues. One's own errors are very hard to spot, and I
have not
> alternate quality control available to me.
>
> Ken
>
> >W/ mine, its not just the very high freq's, but everything above
> >maybe... c4. I'll have to do some better tests tomorrow. Im just
> >feeding it a voltage right now, and comparing it to a standard VCO.
> >
> >Another thing I have noticed is that the SUB channels don't act the
> >way the sub oscillator (cgs 01) does. It doesn't lower the frequency
> >of the osc, but it puts in little gaps in the tone. The lower the
> >tone, the slower/longer the gaps.
> >
> >so lets say this is the sound
> >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
> >this is a high frequency through the sub
> >/\/ \/\ /\/ \/\ /\/ \/\
> >this is a lower frequency
> >\/\/\ /\/\/ /\/\/\ /\/\/\
> >
> >Is that what it is supposed to do, or should the sub output do what
> >the cgs01 modules does to the tone?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Pete <23isgood@> wrote:
> >>
> >> After using this Filter for a while now I have come to the
> >conclusion that
> >> this is really a VCO with crazy FM options. I do understand what you
> >mean
> >> about the high frequencies, but I think its just reaching its last
> >octave at
> >> this point and it may be a normal response to become quieter (for
> >humans at
> >> least). Is this correct? This VCO seems to be in the mid freq range,
> >though
> >> you can obtain some serious bass freq's too. Here is a track I made
> >> recently. You can hear the Bi-N-Tic at the beginning (the hypnotic
> >sound)
> >> and at the very end (the really grungy sound).
> >>
> >>
>
>http://www.spread-it.com/dl.php?id=000a88528da0b261c720ab6ec8a15d078f61c417
> >>
> >> pete
> >>
> >> On 3/1/06, c10h14no2i <c10h14no2i@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Ive been having great fun w/ the bi-n-tic filter, but have one
issue
> >> > when using it as a VCO. The higher frequencies are very quiet. I
> >> > know this is a filter, so if thats just the way it is, then thats
> >> > fine. If it should operate w/ a roughly uniform volume at the
entire
> >> > audio range, I'd be happy for suggestions of what the cause
could be.
> >> >
> >> > thanks
> >> > Scott
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: bi-n-tic as VCO

2006-03-02 by c10h14no2i

Ummm.. maybe I should have mentioned I made the mod that is in the
file section.. posted by Dave Brown. I have removed the mod and built
the circuit as it should be, and the sub osc seems to work the way it
should. The oscillations do stop at lower frequencies, but the filter
doesn't do much to the sound when its just pulsing a couple of times a
second, anyway.
The high frequencies are still very quiet. Its like they are being
low pass filtered.. I guess this is a filter, after all. I suppose,
to use it as a vco, I could build the rest of the VCO circuit on a
prototybe board (just the tl072 and a few other components) to get the
saw output.

Re: bi-n-tic as VCO

2006-03-02 by c10h14no2i

Nevermind.... I had the damping up, so it sort of blended through the
gaps in the sound. It does the same thing w/ the configuration that
is laid out on the PCB.

The outputs of the 4024 are fine by themselves. Its just after I run
them back into the filter input that they do the weird pulsing thing.
The filter runs fine w/ the input from a separate VCO at all
frequencies. I guess the frequencies are canceling each other out at
points? Its over my head, now.
Im guessing this is the way its supposed to work, but again, as I said
in my first post, please tell me if this is not correct. As mine is
working now, inputting the extra SUB outputs back into the filter make
some cool sounds, but they definitely aren't useable as a playable VCO.
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "c10h14no2i" <c10h14no2i@...> wrote:
>
> Ummm.. maybe I should have mentioned I made the mod that is in the
> file section.. posted by Dave Brown. I have removed the mod and built
> the circuit as it should be, and the sub osc seems to work the way it
> should. The oscillations do stop at lower frequencies, but the filter
> doesn't do much to the sound when its just pulsing a couple of times a
> second, anyway.
> The high frequencies are still very quiet. Its like they are being
> low pass filtered.. I guess this is a filter, after all. I suppose,
> to use it as a vco, I could build the rest of the VCO circuit on a
> prototybe board (just the tl072 and a few other components) to get the
> saw output.
>

Re: bi-n-tic as VCO

2006-03-02 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

Perhaps a VCA connected after the filter using the same CV as the pitch
could be used to correct the output level?

Ken
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>Ummm.. maybe I should have mentioned I made the mod that is in the
>file section.. posted by Dave Brown. I have removed the mod and built
>the circuit as it should be, and the sub osc seems to work the way it
>should. The oscillations do stop at lower frequencies, but the filter
>doesn't do much to the sound when its just pulsing a couple of times a
>second, anyway.
>The high frequencies are still very quiet. Its like they are being
>low pass filtered.. I guess this is a filter, after all. I suppose,
>to use it as a vco, I could build the rest of the VCO circuit on a
>prototybe board (just the tl072 and a few other components) to get the
>saw output.
>
>
>
>
>
>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: bi-n-tic as VCO

2006-03-02 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

>Nevermind.... I had the damping up, so it sort of blended through the
>gaps in the sound. It does the same thing w/ the configuration that
>is laid out on the PCB.
>
>The outputs of the 4024 are fine by themselves. Its just after I run
> them back into the filter input that they do the weird pulsing thing.

That is correct then. You have effectively set the filter up as a damped
oscillator, ala an analog drum, and the low frequency from the oscillator is
triggering it.

Ken

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Re: bi-n-tic as VCO

2006-03-02 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

Directly from the 4024, no. From the output of the filter if the 4024 has
been fed back into it, yes, it is possible. I would suggest you have either
a faulty 4024, or power rail issues around that chip, it it's actually
coming directly out of that chip.

Ken
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>I just tested the output of the ca3140, and it sounds fine at all
>frequencies.. just like the VCO. I guess the issue, if there is one,
>is w/ the 4024. Its divided outputs definitely aren't lower
>frequencies. It just puts little gaps in the sound relative to the
>frequency it is getting. When running a low freq into it, the lower
>divisions give pulses of sound, but each pulse is the same tone that
>the OSC is outputting. It is definitely an interesting effect. Im
>just not shure if it is correct.
>
>
>
>
>--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@... wrote:
>>
>> If you are referring the the outputs of the 4024, I would expect them to
>> remain constant, as per the CGS01.
>> It is entirely possible I have made an error in that VCO layout. I made
>> another project after this one using a modified artwork and that one
>does
>> indeed have issues. One's own errors are very hard to spot, and I
>have not
>> alternate quality control available to me.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> >W/ mine, its not just the very high freq's, but everything above
>> >maybe... c4. I'll have to do some better tests tomorrow. Im just
>> >feeding it a voltage right now, and comparing it to a standard VCO.
>> >
>> >Another thing I have noticed is that the SUB channels don't act the
>> >way the sub oscillator (cgs 01) does. It doesn't lower the frequency
>> >of the osc, but it puts in little gaps in the tone. The lower the
>> >tone, the slower/longer the gaps.
>> >
>> >so lets say this is the sound
>> >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
>> >this is a high frequency through the sub
>> >/\/ \/\ /\/ \/\ /\/ \/\
>> >this is a lower frequency
>> >\/\/\ /\/\/ /\/\/\ /\/\/\
>> >
>> >Is that what it is supposed to do, or should the sub output do what
>> >the cgs01 modules does to the tone?
>> >
>> >Thanks
>> >
>> >--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Pete <23isgood@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> After using this Filter for a while now I have come to the
>> >conclusion that
>> >> this is really a VCO with crazy FM options. I do understand what you
>> >mean
>> >> about the high frequencies, but I think its just reaching its last
>> >octave at
>> >> this point and it may be a normal response to become quieter (for
>> >humans at
>> >> least). Is this correct? This VCO seems to be in the mid freq range,
>> >though
>> >> you can obtain some serious bass freq's too. Here is a track I made
>> >> recently. You can hear the Bi-N-Tic at the beginning (the hypnotic
>> >sound)
>> >> and at the very end (the really grungy sound).
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>http://www.spread-it.com/dl.php?id=000a88528da0b261c720ab6ec8a15d078f61c417
>> >>
>> >> pete
>> >>
>> >> On 3/1/06, c10h14no2i <c10h14no2i@> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Ive been having great fun w/ the bi-n-tic filter, but have one
>issue
>> >> > when using it as a VCO. The higher frequencies are very quiet. I
>> >> > know this is a filter, so if thats just the way it is, then thats
>> >> > fine. If it should operate w/ a roughly uniform volume at the
>entire
>> >> > audio range, I'd be happy for suggestions of what the cause
>could be.
>> >> >
>> >> > thanks
>> >> > Scott
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > SPONSORED LINKS
>> >> >
>>
>>Sampler<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Sampler&w1=Sampler&w2=Electroni
>>
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Re: bi-n-tic as VCO

2006-03-03 by c10h14no2i

Ok!! I get it. I think I will build a little extra PCB for it, to use
it as a standard VCO as well. or maybe do what Dave Brown did, and
use your Gate Converter to use the sub outputs. Its so hard to find
lm394's and tempco's these days, I want to get the most use of them as
I can!!

Its a great module! Ive also been having a great time w/ your subosc.
It is good for running audio through it, which is why I originally
wanted it, but a couple of days ago I put two LFO's into its inputs,
and its output to the 1v/o in on my VCO. It makes some great
sequenced paterns. Hours of fun! But that takes away valuable build
time :)
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@... wrote:
>
> >Nevermind.... I had the damping up, so it sort of blended through the
> >gaps in the sound. It does the same thing w/ the configuration that
> >is laid out on the PCB.
> >
> >The outputs of the 4024 are fine by themselves. Its just after I run
> > them back into the filter input that they do the weird pulsing thing.
>
> That is correct then. You have effectively set the filter up as a damped
> oscillator, ala an analog drum, and the low frequency from the
oscillator is
> triggering it.
>
> Ken
>
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Re: bi-n-tic as VCO

2006-03-04 by djbrow54

--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "c10h14no2i" <c10h14no2i@...> wrote:
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>As mine is working now, inputting the extra SUB outputs back
>into the filter make some cool sounds, but they definitely aren't
>useable as a playable VCO.
>
As a VCO you will want to take the output of the CA3140 or the CD4024
to separate outputs. The output of the CA3140 is 0 to +5 volts so you
can use a 2X gain amplifier with a level shift to generate +/- 5 volt
outputs.

The CD4024 outputs are logic at 0 and +7 volts. You could also
convert these with amplifiers but I used the CGS-56 Gate Converter to
generate the +/- 5 volt VCO outputs.

Dave

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