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observations about bad/overheating 4017's

observations about bad/overheating 4017's

2007-04-25 by megons

I ordered a Burst Generator and Sub-Oscillator from Elby and they
shipped with Fairchild 4017's. Neither of them worked so I bought a
couple of Philips 74HC4017N's and some ST 4017's.

The ST's worked fine, however the Philips overheat in both circuits.

So avoid Fairchild and Philips 4017's!

This might be related to the exploding TI 4017's mentioned in message
#1968.

Could it be that 15v is too much for the Philips and TI's?

Re: observations about bad/overheating 4017's

2007-04-25 by Laurie Biddulph

The Phillips chips are for 5V (74HCxxxx) use only so they wouldn't have
worked here. Surprised the Fairchild chips didn't work. I will see if I can
get some time to check it out at my end.,

Best Regards

(Mr) Laurie Biddulph
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Subject: [cgs_synth] observations about bad/overheating 4017's


>I ordered a Burst Generator and Sub-Oscillator from Elby and they
> shipped with Fairchild 4017's. Neither of them worked so I bought a
> couple of Philips 74HC4017N's and some ST 4017's.
>
> The ST's worked fine, however the Philips overheat in both circuits.
>
> So avoid Fairchild and Philips 4017's!
>
> This might be related to the exploding TI 4017's mentioned in message
> #1968.
>
> Could it be that 15v is too much for the Philips and TI's?
>
>
>
>
> The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>
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Re: observations about bad/overheating 4017's

2007-04-25 by megons

re. +5v for the Philips - I had a feeling, although I couldn't find
any specs about that :)

I'm also not sure why the fairchild's didn't work while the ST's did.
No worries though as I got it all sorted out.

It could have been just a freak occurrence though, so take my
observations with a grain of salt.

Cheers,
michel

--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Biddulph" <elby_designs@...>
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> The Phillips chips are for 5V (74HCxxxx) use only so they wouldn't have
> worked here. Surprised the Fairchild chips didn't work. I will see
if I can
> get some time to check it out at my end.,
>
> Best Regards
>
> (Mr) Laurie Biddulph
> Phone: +61 (0)2 4340 0938
> Mobile: 0400 257 645
>
> Elby Designs
> ABN: 70 022 727 605
> http://www.elby-designs.com
>
> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
intended
> for the addressee only.
> If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or
> otherwise use it, or any part of it, in any form whatsoever. If you
have
> received this e-mail in error please notify the sender and ensure
that all
> copies of this e-mail and any files transmitted with it are deleted.
> Any views or opinions represented in this e-mail are solely those of
the
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Elby Designs.
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> of computer viruses, Elby Designs will not be liable for any losses
as a
> result of any viruses being passed on.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "megons" <megons@...>
> To: <cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:08 PM
> Subject: [cgs_synth] observations about bad/overheating 4017's
>
>
> >I ordered a Burst Generator and Sub-Oscillator from Elby and they
> > shipped with Fairchild 4017's. Neither of them worked so I bought a
> > couple of Philips 74HC4017N's and some ST 4017's.
> >
> > The ST's worked fine, however the Philips overheat in both circuits.
> >
> > So avoid Fairchild and Philips 4017's!
> >
> > This might be related to the exploding TI 4017's mentioned in message
> > #1968.
> >
> > Could it be that 15v is too much for the Philips and TI's?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: observations about bad/overheating 4017's

2007-04-25 by Mark

On 4/25/07, megons put forth:
>re. +5v for the Philips - I had a feeling, although I couldn't find
>any specs about that :)

There are different families of logic chips. Within those families,
the specs are largely the same for every chip. So you can determine
the specs of a particular chip by looking up its prefix.

Re: observations about bad/overheating 4017's

2007-04-25 by megons

thanks for the heads-up :) every little bit of knowledge helps prevent
me from destroying another innocent and helpless IC.

amazingly I only blew 3 or 4 chips while building my (almost finished)
frankensynth:

http://sneak-thief.com/modular/sneak-thief_modular.jpg

(lots of CGS stuff in there: gate sequencer, wave multiplier, burst
generator, psycho lfo, utility lfo, gated comparator, bi-n-tic, synthacon)

cheers,
michel
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Mark <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
>
> On 4/25/07, megons put forth:
> >re. +5v for the Philips - I had a feeling, although I couldn't find
> >any specs about that :)
>
> There are different families of logic chips. Within those families,
> the specs are largely the same for every chip. So you can determine
> the specs of a particular chip by looking up its prefix.
>

Re: observations about bad/overheating 4017's

2007-04-25 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

As has been mentioned numeroust times on this list (and this is a message to
EVERYBODY) do NOT use any CMOS chips with part numbers starting with "74xx4"
in any CGS design unless that part number is specifically given.

CGS designs usually run the CMOS chips from 15 volts. 74xx4xxx chips are
restricted to 5 volts, or in some cases 6 volts.

Ignore any git of a salesperson who tries to tell you otherwise.

Ken
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