Datacolor User to User Support Group.

Just for fun (I actually use imageprint with this printer() i printed 
teh 225 target on my 2200 using epson matte and teh 1440 setting. the 
test target is very pale and  rows 1 to 5 columns A to E are all 
shades of blue rather than shades of green. I cannot imagine that this 
could possibly end up with a reasonable profile. All colors are 
risiculously pale in comparison to the same target printed on my R800 
(although it too shows no green in rows 1 to 3. Any advice?

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 7/19/06 9:38:35 PM, wilsonrob@... writes:
> 
> 
> > Just for fun (I actually use imageprint with this printer() i 
printed
> > teh 225 target on my 2200 using epson matte and teh 1440 setting.
> > 
> The results you describe would tend to indicate incorrect 
settings, or some 
> other issue. The 2200 profiles excellently with PrintFIX PRO, with 
target 
> prints that show a full range of bright colors, varying a bit 
depending on media 
> setting.
> 
> Did you print the target direct from PrintFIX PRO, with color 
management in 
> the driver set to No Color Adjustment, or equivalent?
> 
> Have you tried building RGB ImagePrint Profiles for your media to 
use on top 
> of the ImagePrint CMYK profile and settings? It can't improve your 
gamut any 
> further, since that is CMYK profile limited, but it can tune your 
output to 
> your particular printer.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>
I printed the target from printfix, with my epson settings as ICM, 
no color adjustment.

One thing I noticed is that the target looks different when viewed 
on screen in printfix than if I load the .jpg file into photoshop.
What is quite wierd is the blue color to all of the first 5 rows of 
and columns of the test.

I have just gotten the software and hardware but the test print is 
not that hard to do.

I used the enhanced matte setting on the printer and the enhanced 
matte paper so they should match up fairly well. 

The printer does produce wonderfull prints with the imageprint 
profiles.

I have not tried to make a profile from what I have, and it may come 
out fine, but it seems strange that the starting colors are so far 
off.

OK, I admit to being a doofus. I had the wrong side of the paper up. 
The target is now much more intense. However, I still have the 
problem that there is almost no green whatsoever on the printed 
target. Row 5 which should be almost entirely green accross is 
almost entirely shades of blue.

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 7/19/06 9:38:35 PM, wilsonrob@... writes:
> 
> 
> > Just for fun (I actually use imageprint with this printer() i 
printed
> > teh 225 target on my 2200 using epson matte and teh 1440 setting.
> > 
> The results you describe would tend to indicate incorrect 
settings, or some 
> other issue. The 2200 profiles excellently with PrintFIX PRO, with 
target 
> prints that show a full range of bright colors, varying a bit 
depending on media 
> setting.
> 
> Did you print the target direct from PrintFIX PRO, with color 
management in 
> the driver set to No Color Adjustment, or equivalent?
> 
> Have you tried building RGB ImagePrint Profiles for your media to 
use on top 
> of the ImagePrint CMYK profile and settings? It can't improve your 
gamut any 
> further, since that is CMYK profile limited, but it can tune your 
output to 

> your particular printer.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>

Don't feel like too much of a doofus, I've done the same thing!  Its
hard to tell which is the treated side of most art papers ... at least
for me :-)

Tom

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Wilson" <wilsonrob@...>
wrote:

>
> OK, I admit to being a doofus. I had the wrong side of the paper up. 
> The target is now much more intense. However, I still have the 
> problem that there is almost no green whatsoever on the printed 
> target. Row 5 which should be almost entirely green accross is 
> almost entirely shades of blue.
>

There is one little trick that always works for me, and that is to
touch your tongue to the paper, and if it lighlty sticks to the paper
then that is the side to print on.

Your friend in Photography,

Johnny Eades



--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <ttrostel@...> wrote:

>
> Don't feel like too much of a doofus, I've done the same thing!  Its
> hard to tell which is the treated side of most art papers ... at least
> for me :-)
> 
> Tom
> 
> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Wilson" <wilsonrob@>
> wrote:
> >
> > OK, I admit to being a doofus. I had the wrong side of the paper up. 
> > The target is now much more intense. However, I still have the 
> > problem that there is almost no green whatsoever on the printed 
> > target. Row 5 which should be almost entirely green accross is 
> > almost entirely shades of blue.
> >
>

I will do so. My printfix pro profile for smooth Galerie Pearl is 
considerably better than what I get from the standard Ilford profile.

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 7/20/06 6:15:50 PM, wilsonrob@... writes:
> 
> 
> > I have not tried to make a profile from what I have, and it may 
come
> > out fine, but it seems strange that the starting colors are so 
far
> > off.  
> > 
> 
> Raw printer color can be quite unexpected. Once you are sure your 
printer 
> isn't clogged, and that your settings are correct, I wouldn't 
waste much time 
> pondering raw output, or comparing non-color managed target files 
in PFP with 
> color managed images of the target in Photoshop. There is no 
direct relationship 
> there. Build the profile, print the test image from the Print 
Preview screen 

> at the end, and see what you get.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>

Built the profile. Most everything is shades of grey. As I was 
reading the colors I was surprised at how pale and grey teh read 
colors seemed on screen, given the depth on the matte paper. It was 
almost as if the LEDs were not bright enough to read from the matte 
paper, whereas I had no such problems with the Ilford pearl paper. 
Since the reader sits flush with teh paper, I presume that 
illumination of the paper is immaterial to the outcome.


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 7/20/06 6:15:50 PM, wilsonrob@... writes:
> 
> 
> > I have not tried to make a profile from what I have, and it may 
come
> > out fine, but it seems strange that the starting colors are so 
far
> > off.  
> > 
> 
> Raw printer color can be quite unexpected. Once you are sure your 
printer 
> isn't clogged, and that your settings are correct, I wouldn't 
waste much time 
> pondering raw output, or comparing non-color managed target files 
in PFP with 
> color managed images of the target in Photoshop. There is no 
direct relationship 
> there. Build the profile, print the test image from the Print 
Preview screen 

> at the end, and see what you get.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>

I'm giving it another try. I have never had a clog with this printer 
in 2 years but the yellow was somewhat clogged. I am printing out a 
new target and will re profile in the morning after it has fully 
dried. 

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 7/20/06 6:15:50 PM, wilsonrob@... writes:
> 
> 
> > I have not tried to make a profile from what I have, and it may 
come
> > out fine, but it seems strange that the starting colors are so 
far
> > off.  
> > 
> 
> Raw printer color can be quite unexpected. Once you are sure your 
printer 
> isn't clogged, and that your settings are correct, I wouldn't 
waste much time 
> pondering raw output, or comparing non-color managed target files 
in PFP with 
> color managed images of the target in Photoshop. There is no 
direct relationship 
> there. Build the profile, print the test image from the Print 
Preview screen 

> at the end, and see what you get.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>

Ok, I got the profile working for the 2200. It looks good at this 
point.

thanks for your patience



-- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 7/20/06 6:15:50 PM, wilsonrob@... writes:
> 
> 
> > I have not tried to make a profile from what I have, and it may 
come
> > out fine, but it seems strange that the starting colors are so 
far
> > off.  
> > 
> 
> Raw printer color can be quite unexpected. Once you are sure your 
printer 
> isn't clogged, and that your settings are correct, I wouldn't 
waste much time 
> pondering raw output, or comparing non-color managed target files 
in PFP with 
> color managed images of the target in Photoshop. There is no 
direct relationship 
> there. Build the profile, print the test image from the Print 
Preview screen 

> at the end, and see what you get.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>

Hmm ... Not sure if I'd want to lick the paper thinking of what they coat it with but it would 
probably stick better to a slightly moistened finger also.

Thanks for the tip ... I hadn't thought of adhesion changes due to the coating ... I'll have to 
try something like that.

Tom

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny Eades" <jeades1@...> wrote:

>
> There is one little trick that always works for me, and that is to
> touch your tongue to the paper, and if it lighlty sticks to the paper
> then that is the side to print on.
> 
> Your friend in Photography,
> 
> Johnny Eades
>

My older brother John was dared to put his tongue near the metal flag pole at school ... of 
course he got pushed from behind and ... yes .. he really did get stuck to the flagpole.  
Unfortunately he's 8 years older than me so I didn't get a chance to see it .... DARN!!



--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:

> 
> This also works with metal playground equipment in very cold weather... <G>
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Division
> DataColor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>