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Why does PFP Paper White/Monitor Black change CS2 Gamut Warning?

Why does PFP Paper White/Monitor Black change CS2 Gamut Warning?

2007-08-26 by davelasker

I am just getting started with PrintFIX PRO. I am using V2.1 of the 
software on Windows XP SP2.

I made 2 profiles for Hahnemuhle Photo Rag on my HP B9180.

The 1st profile had all Build Profile Setup adjustments set to 
default values.

The 2nd profile was made from same scan of the same targets, but I 
checked the boxes for Ref White/Paper White Compensation and Ref 
Black/Monitor Black Compenation.

This changed Ref White from 94/0/-1 to 94/0/0, and Ref Black from 
14/0/0 to 10/0/0.

My reading of the help file is that both of these profiles should 
print the same; only the soft proof should be different.

Next, I use PS CS2 Proof Setup, with Gamut Warning turned on, to 
display an image with some out-of-gamut colors.

I set the PS info pallette to display "Proof Colors", and the same 
RGB values are displayed for both profiles (as expected).

But something weird is happening with the CS2 out-of-gamut warning:

I start with the 1st profile (default settings) and I see some areas 
are greyed out by the gamut warning. Then I switch to the 2nd profile 
(Paper White/Monitor Black). The image gets darker (as expected since 
the black luminosity was decreased). But what surprised be is that 
the Gamut warning display "shrinks", i.e. areas that were out of 
gamut with the 1st profile are displayed as in gamut with the 2nd. If 
print output isn't affected by the Ref B/W settings, how can this be?

The out-of-gamut areas are dark brown. In pixels that display the 
gamut warning, the "Proof Colors" blue level is zero. This is the 
case with both profiles. So I think that the default profile is 
displaying gamut warnings correctly, and the Ref White/Black profile 
is displaying them incorrectly.

Can anyone explain what is going on here? Can I trust the CS2 Gamut 
Warning with a PFP profile?

Thanks for the help!

Dave

Re: [colorvision_group] Why does PFP Paper White/Monitor Black change CS2 Gamut Warning?

2007-08-27 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 8/26/07 3:43:21 PM, dave@... writes:


I am just getting started with PrintFIX PRO. I am using V2.1 of the
software on Windows XP SP2.

I made 2 profiles for Hahnemuhle Photo Rag on my HP B9180.

The 1st profile had all Build Profile Setup adjustments set to
default values.

The 2nd profile was made from same scan of the same targets, but I
checked the boxes for Ref White/Paper White Compensation and Ref
Black/Monitor Black Compenation.

This changed Ref White from 94/0/-1 to 94/0/0, and Ref Black from
14/0/0 to 10/0/0.


That all sounds correct...

My reading of the help file is that both of these profiles should
print the same; only the soft proof should be different.


No direct changes, ideally, but indirect changes can occur. I'd suggest you judge actual changes from actual prints, however, not via another piece of software, which introduces its own issues...

Next, I use PS CS2 Proof Setup, with Gamut Warning turned on, to
display an image with some out-of-gamut colors.

I set the PS info pallette to display "Proof Colors", and the same
RGB values are displayed for both profiles (as expected).


So far so good...

But something weird is happening with the CS2 out-of-gamut warning:

I start with the 1st profile (default settings) and I see some areas
are greyed out by the gamut warning. Then I switch to the 2nd profile
(Paper White/Monitor Black). The image gets darker (as expected since
the black luminosity was decreased). But what surprised be is that
the Gamut warning display "shrinks", i.e. areas that were out of
gamut with the 1st profile are displayed as in gamut with the 2nd. If
print output isn't affected by the Ref B/W settings, how can this be?

The out-of-gamut areas are dark brown. In pixels that display the
gamut warning, the "Proof Colors" blue level is zero. This is the
case with both profiles. So I think that the default profile is
displaying gamut warnings correctly, and the Ref White/Black profile
is displaying them incorrectly.

Can anyone explain what is going on here? Can I trust the CS2 Gamut
Warning with a PFP profile?

Photoshop can't priview using a print table from the profile, it has to use the proof table. And you have now made those two tables not be identical, so that what Photoshop assumes is the proof of the edited profile is not longer exactly true, due to the edits. This is why these adjustments are not made to all profiles by default. They are a great tool for editing softproof display, but the very act of editing softproof display causes the issues you see here. The extremest would use both profiles: the edited version for visual softproofing, and the original for gamut warning checks.


C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com




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2007-08-29 by nhcrovetto

The ColorVision support exceeded my expectations.
I had an error when I tried to measure the white patch (no ink) in
Hahnemuhle Smooth Fine Art with PrintFix Pro. And when I wrote a
comment asking about this, they asked for my serial number and my
address in order to send me a new Spectro. all the way to Argentina ,
free of charge, even though I had bought it almost two years ago in
New York . Also, they never asked me to return the old one.
The measurement error was only a problem with certain papers that seem
to have brighteners.
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worth to be known.

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