Disklavier

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From: "daveproberts@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:34:56 PM 
Subject: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier 






I have a bunch of PianoDisc CDs that I'd love to play on my Disklavier. Is there a utility that will convert them?

> On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:58 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@shaw.ca [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Although I have not personally tried any PianoDisc CDs with my Disklavier, my understanding is that not all PianoDisc CDs are compatible with the Disklavier.  
> 
> Here's a comment made by Mark Fontana from an earlier post (see URL pasted below):
> 
> "PianoDisc CDs made after mid-2005 include a rudimentary protection mechanism that adds garbage notes to the performance in an attempt to thwart playback on competitors' systems; CDs with this protection scheme are labeled "Silent Drive Plus".   I'm not sure whether Yamaha supports such CDs yet.   All PianoDisc CDs dated 2004 and earlier should play fine."
> 
> 
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/9790
> 
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/8822
> 
> Robert
> 
> From: "daveproberts@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:34:56 PM
> Subject: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier
> 
>  
> 
> I have a bunch of PianoDisc CDs that I'd love to play on my Disklavier. Is there a utility that will convert them?
> 
>

----- Original Message -----

From: "Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:23:19 PM 
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier 






There are programs that convert dkv files into MIDI files, I would think there is one for Pianodiscs as well. 

Sam 

www.keyboardcollective.com 
(212) 684-3304 









On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:58 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] < disklavier@yahoogroups.com > wrote: 








Hi Dave, 


Although I have not personally tried any PianoDisc CDs with my Disklavier, my understanding is that not all PianoDisc CDs are compatible with the Disklavier. 


Here's a comment made by Mark Fontana from an earlier post (see URL pasted below): 


"PianoDisc CDs made after mid-2005 include a rudimentary protection mechanism that adds garbage notes to the performance in an attempt to thwart playback on competitors' systems; CDs with this protection scheme are labeled "Silent Drive Plus". I'm not sure whether Yamaha supports such CDs yet. All PianoDisc CDs dated 2004 and earlier should play fine." 



https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/9790 


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/8822 

Robert 

----- Original Message -----

From: " daveproberts@... [disklavier]" < disklavier@yahoogroups.com > 
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:34:56 PM 
Subject: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier 






I have a bunch of PianoDisc CDs that I'd love to play on my Disklavier. Is there a utility that will convert them?

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:55 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> The piano data on PianoDisc CD would be in an 'analog MIDI' format.  While utilities exit to convert a MIDI file into an analog wav file, I am not aware of a utility that does the reverse.
> 
> Robert
> 
> From: "Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:23:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier
> 
>  
> There are programs that convert dkv files into MIDI files, I would think there is one for Pianodiscs as well.
> 
> Sam 
> www.keyboardcollective.com
> (212) 684-3304
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:58 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Although I have not personally tried any PianoDisc CDs with my Disklavier, my understanding is that not all PianoDisc CDs are compatible with the Disklavier.  
> 
> Here's a comment made by Mark Fontana from an earlier post (see URL pasted below):
> 
> "PianoDisc CDs made after mid-2005 include a rudimentary protection mechanism that adds garbage notes to the performance in an attempt to thwart playback on competitors' systems; CDs with this protection scheme are labeled "Silent Drive Plus".   I'm not sure whether Yamaha supports such CDs yet.   All PianoDisc CDs dated 2004 and earlier should play fine."
> 
> 
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/9790
> 
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/8822
> 
> Robert
> 
> From: "daveproberts@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:34:56 PM
> Subject: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier
> 
>  
> 
> I have a bunch of PianoDisc CDs that I'd love to play on my Disklavier. Is there a utility that will convert them?
> 
> 
>

From: "Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:23:19 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier

There are programs that convert dkv files into MIDI files, I would think there is one for Pianodiscs as well.

Sam

www.keyboardcollective.com

(212) 684-3304

On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:58 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Dave,

Although I have not personally tried any PianoDisc CDs with my Disklavier, my understanding is that not all PianoDisc CDs are compatible with the Disklavier.

Here's a comment made by Mark Fontana from an earlier post (see URL pasted below):

"PianoDisc CDs made after mid-2005 include a rudimentary protection mechanism that adds garbage notes to the performance in an attempt to thwart playback on competitors' systems; CDs with this protection scheme are labeled "Silent Drive Plus". I'm not sure whether Yamaha supports such CDs yet. All PianoDisc CDs dated 2004 and earlier should play fine."

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/9790

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/8822

Robert

From: "daveproberts@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:34:56 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier

I have a bunch of PianoDisc CDs that I'd love to play on my Disklavier. Is there a utility that will convert them?

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@spencerserolls.com
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(425) 791-0309

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> there is no industry accepted term for the type of file on a PianoDisc CD so people make them up as they go along. the data on the CD is MIDI but is encoded in an audio format so some people call it analog. it is actually a WAV (some players can use MP3 files as well if they can decode it properly) file so there is nothing analog about it until it gets out of the decoder. I don't know about the internal workings of the PD system and whether the data ever really exists in analog form. Since the PD is made to be compatible with a variety of audio recording and playback devices such as MP3 players, my guess is that it might actually be converted to analog audio and then decoded into MIDI. 
> 
> anyway, it would be great if someone came up with a good name for this sort of file? Audio encoded MIDI maybe? 
> 
>> On 3/29/2015 11:48 AM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>  
>>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:55 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The piano data on PianoDisc CD would be in an 'analog MIDI' format.  While utilities exit to convert a MIDI file into an analog wav file, I am not aware of a utility that does the reverse.
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I've never heard of an "analog MIDI format". MIDI is an acronym for Musical Instrument DIGITAL Interface. Please explain.
>> 
>> Sam 
>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>> (212) 684-3304
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:55 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The piano data on PianoDisc CD would be in an 'analog MIDI' format.  While utilities exit to convert a MIDI file into an analog wav file, I am not aware of a utility that does the reverse.
>>> 
>>> Robert
>>> 
>>> From: "Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:23:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier
>>> 
>>>  
>>> There are programs that convert dkv files into MIDI files, I would think there is one for Pianodiscs as well.
>>> 
>>> Sam 
>>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>>> (212) 684-3304
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:58 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Hi Dave,
>>> 
>>> Although I have not personally tried any PianoDisc CDs with my Disklavier, my understanding is that not all PianoDisc CDs are compatible with the Disklavier.  
>>> 
>>> Here's a comment made by Mark Fontana from an earlier post (see URL pasted below):
>>> 
>>> "PianoDisc CDs made after mid-2005 include a rudimentary protection mechanism that adds garbage notes to the performance in an attempt to thwart playback on competitors' systems; CDs with this protection scheme are labeled "Silent Drive Plus".   I'm not sure whether Yamaha supports such CDs yet.   All PianoDisc CDs dated 2004 and earlier should play fine."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/9790
>>> 
>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/8822
>>> 
>>> Robert
>>> 
>>> From: "daveproberts@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:34:56 PM
>>> Subject: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I have a bunch of PianoDisc CDs that I'd love to play on my Disklavier. Is there a utility that will convert them?
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Best regards, Spencer Chase
> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
> Spencer@spencerserolls.com
> http://www.spencerserolls.com
> (425) 791-0309
>

----- Original Message -----

From: "Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:39:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier 





there is no industry accepted term for the type of file on a PianoDisc CD so people make them up as they go along. the data on the CD is MIDI but is encoded in an audio format so some people call it analog. it is actually a WAV (some players can use MP3 files as well if they can decode it properly) file so there is nothing analog about it until it gets out of the decoder. I don't know about the internal workings of the PD system and whether the data ever really exists in analog form. Since the PD is made to be compatible with a variety of audio recording and playback devices such as MP3 players, my guess is that it might actually be converted to analog audio and then decoded into MIDI. 

anyway, it would be great if someone came up with a good name for this sort of file? Audio encoded MIDI maybe? 


On 3/29/2015 11:48 AM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote: 





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On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:55 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@shaw.ca [disklavier] < disklavier@yahoogroups.com > wrote: 


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The piano data on PianoDisc CD would be in an 'analog MIDI' format. While utilities exit to convert a MIDI file into an analog wav file, I am not aware of a utility that does the reverse. 


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I've never heard of an "analog MIDI format". MIDI is an acronym for Musical Instrument DIGITAL Interface. Please explain. 

Sam 

www.keyboardcollective.com 
(212) 684-3304 









On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:55 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] < disklavier@yahoogroups.com > wrote: 


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The piano data on PianoDisc CD would be in an 'analog MIDI' format. While utilities exit to convert a MIDI file into an analog wav file, I am not aware of a utility that does the reverse. 


Robert 


----- Original Message -----

From: "Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier]" < disklavier@yahoogroups.com > 
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:23:19 PM 
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier 





There are programs that convert dkv files into MIDI files, I would think there is one for Pianodiscs as well. 

Sam 

www.keyboardcollective.com 
(212) 684-3304 









On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:58 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] < disklavier@yahoogroups.com > wrote: 


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Hi Dave, 


Although I have not personally tried any PianoDisc CDs with my Disklavier, my understanding is that not all PianoDisc CDs are compatible with the Disklavier. 


Here's a comment made by Mark Fontana from an earlier post (see URL pasted below): 


"PianoDisc CDs made after mid-2005 include a rudimentary protection mechanism that adds garbage notes to the performance in an attempt to thwart playback on competitors' systems; CDs with this protection scheme are labeled "Silent Drive Plus". I'm not sure whether Yamaha supports such CDs yet. All PianoDisc CDs dated 2004 and earlier should play fine." 



https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/9790 


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/8822 

Robert 

----- Original Message -----

From: " daveproberts@... [disklavier]" < disklavier@yahoogroups.com > 
To: disklavier@...m 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:34:56 PM 
Subject: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier 





I have a bunch of PianoDisc CDs that I'd love to play on my Disklavier. Is there a utility that will convert them? 

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-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only. Spencer@... http://www.spencerserolls.com (425) 791-0309

On 03/29/2015 03:17 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] wrote:
>
> The term 'analog MIDI' has been around for over ten years however, as 
> Spencer points out, the term is perhaps not an accepted industry term.
>
> While I do not know who first coined the phrase 'analog MIDI', the 
> term appears in the Yamaha Disklavier literature and the Yamaha DCD1 
> CD player (circa Jan 2001) had L/R RCA inputs labelled "Analog MIDI 
> In". The DKC850 similarly has inputs labelled "Analog MIDI In".
>
> Robert
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier]" 
> <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> *To: *disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:39:58 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier
>
> there is no industry accepted term for the type of file on a PianoDisc 
> CD so people make them up as they go along. the data on the CD is MIDI 
> but is encoded in an audio format so some people call it analog. it is 
> actually a WAV (some players can use MP3 files as well if they can 
> decode it properly) file so there is nothing analog about it until it 
> gets out of the decoder. I don't know about the internal workings of 
> the PD system and whether the data ever really exists in analog form. 
> Since the PD is made to be compatible with a variety of audio 
> recording and playback devices such as MP3 players, my guess is that 
> it might actually be converted to analog audio and then decoded into 
> MIDI.
>
> anyway, it would be great if someone came up with a good name for this 
> sort of file? Audio encoded MIDI maybe?
>

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Mark Fontana mark@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> QRS calls their stream "Analog MIDI" as well, sometimes abbreviating it "AMI".   A more appropriate term might be "modulated MIDI", because these formats generally involve MIDI data bytes modulated into a digital stream that can be carried by an audio channel using frequency-shift keying or phase-shift keying, similar to how raster data are sent over a telephone link via FAX.
> 
> "Analog MIDI" is an example of non-technical management coining a nonsensical term and then having it stick (e.g. "Wi-Fi").
> 
> Mark Fontana
> 
> 
>> On 03/29/2015 03:17 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>  
>> 
>> The term 'analog MIDI' has been around for over ten years however, as Spencer points out, the term is perhaps not an accepted industry term. 
>> 
>> While I do not know who first coined the phrase 'analog MIDI', the term appears in the Yamaha Disklavier literature and the Yamaha DCD1 CD player (circa Jan 2001) had L/R RCA inputs labelled "Analog MIDI In". The DKC850 similarly has inputs labelled "Analog MIDI In".
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> From: "Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:39:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier
>> 
>>  
>> there is no industry accepted term for the type of file on a PianoDisc CD so people make them up as they go along. the data on the CD is MIDI but is encoded in an audio format so some people call it analog. it is actually a WAV (some players can use MP3 files as well if they can decode it properly) file so there is nothing analog about it until it gets out of the decoder. I don't know about the internal workings of the PD system and whether the data ever really exists in analog form. Since the PD is made to be compatible with a variety of audio recording and playback devices such as MP3 players, my guess is that it might actually be converted to analog audio and then decoded into MIDI. 
>> 
>> anyway, it would be great if someone came up with a good name for this sort of file? Audio encoded MIDI maybe?
> 
>

From: "Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:23:19 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier

There are programs that convert dkv files into MIDI files, I would think there is one for Pianodiscs as well.

Sam

www.keyboardcollective.com

(212) 684-3304

On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:58 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Dave,

Although I have not personally tried any PianoDisc CDs with my Disklavier, my understanding is that not all PianoDisc CDs are compatible with the Disklavier.

Here's a comment made by Mark Fontana from an earlier post (see URL pasted below):

"PianoDisc CDs made after mid-2005 include a rudimentary protection mechanism that adds garbage notes to the performance in an attempt to thwart playback on competitors' systems; CDs with this protection scheme are labeled "Silent Drive Plus". I'm not sure whether Yamaha supports such CDs yet. All PianoDisc CDs dated 2004 and earlier should play fine."

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/9790

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/8822

Robert

From: "daveproberts@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:34:56 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier

I have a bunch of PianoDisc CDs that I'd love to play on my Disklavier. Is there a utility that will convert them?

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@spencerserolls.com
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(425) 791-0309

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(425) 791-0309

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> i am not familiar with the site and how you connect to your piano. if you can intercept a midi stream somewhere on your computer it should be possible to use midiox to shift all controllers (you have to do all controllers and can not pick just pedals but since that is all the controllers that should be in a piano MIDI file it does not matter)to channel 3. 
> 
> get midiox and install it. the help file explains how to do it but it is difficult to find. use the search function in the help window and search for data mapping. you can bring up the data mapping window from the little icon that looks like two notes with an arrow between them. it is really difficult to find if you are icon blind as i am. anyway once you get to this window you can set a map to move controllers from any channel to channel 3.
> 
>> On 3/29/2015 12:43 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>  
>> Spencer, thanks for the explanation.
>> 
>> Regarding my former post, any idea how I could play files from DEN Signature MIDI site and convert incremental pedal info to ch 3 without downloading and converting with MIDIMod first?
>> 
>> Sam 
>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>> (212) 684-3304
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>  
>>> there is no industry accepted term for the type of file on a PianoDisc CD so people make them up as they go along. the data on the CD is MIDI but is encoded in an audio format so some people call it analog. it is actually a WAV (some players can use MP3 files as well if they can decode it properly) file so there is nothing analog about it until it gets out of the decoder. I don't know about the internal workings of the PD system and whether the data ever really exists in analog form. Since the PD is made to be compatible with a variety of audio recording and playback devices such as MP3 players, my guess is that it might actually be converted to analog audio and then decoded into MIDI. 
>>> 
>>> anyway, it would be great if someone came up with a good name for this sort of file? Audio encoded MIDI maybe? 
>>> 
>>>> On 3/29/2015 11:48 AM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:55 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The piano data on PianoDisc CD would be in an 'analog MIDI' format.  While utilities exit to convert a MIDI file into an analog wav file, I am not aware of a utility that does the reverse.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I've never heard of an "analog MIDI format". MIDI is an acronym for Musical Instrument DIGITAL Interface. Please explain.
>>>> 
>>>> Sam 
>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>>>> (212) 684-3304
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:55 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> The piano data on PianoDisc CD would be in an 'analog MIDI' format.  While utilities exit to convert a MIDI file into an analog wav file, I am not aware of a utility that does the reverse.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Robert
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: "Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:23:19 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> There are programs that convert dkv files into MIDI files, I would think there is one for Pianodiscs as well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sam 
>>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>>>>> (212) 684-3304
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:58 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@shaw.ca [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Although I have not personally tried any PianoDisc CDs with my Disklavier, my understanding is that not all PianoDisc CDs are compatible with the Disklavier.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here's a comment made by Mark Fontana from an earlier post (see URL pasted below):
>>>>> 
>>>>> "PianoDisc CDs made after mid-2005 include a rudimentary protection mechanism that adds garbage notes to the performance in an attempt to thwart playback on competitors' systems; CDs with this protection scheme are labeled "Silent Drive Plus".   I'm not sure whether Yamaha supports such CDs yet.   All PianoDisc CDs dated 2004 and earlier should play fine."
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/9790
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/8822
>>>>> 
>>>>> Robert
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: "daveproberts@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:34:56 PM
>>>>> Subject: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a bunch of PianoDisc CDs that I'd love to play on my Disklavier. Is there a utility that will convert them?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> Best regards, Spencer Chase
>>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
>>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
>>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
>>> Spencer@spencerserolls.com
>>> http://www.spencerserolls.com
>>> (425) 791-0309
> 
> -- 
> 
> Best regards, Spencer Chase
> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
> Spencer@spencerserolls.com
> http://www.spencerserolls.com
> (425) 791-0309
>

From: "Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:23:19 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier

There are programs that convert dkv files into MIDI files, I would think there is one for Pianodiscs as well.

Sam

www.keyboardcollective.com

(212) 684-3304

On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:58 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Dave,

Although I have not personally tried any PianoDisc CDs with my Disklavier, my understanding is that not all PianoDisc CDs are compatible with the Disklavier.

Here's a comment made by Mark Fontana from an earlier post (see URL pasted below):

"PianoDisc CDs made after mid-2005 include a rudimentary protection mechanism that adds garbage notes to the performance in an attempt to thwart playback on competitors' systems; CDs with this protection scheme are labeled "Silent Drive Plus". I'm not sure whether Yamaha supports such CDs yet. All PianoDisc CDs dated 2004 and earlier should play fine."

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/9790

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/8822

Robert

From: "daveproberts@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:34:56 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier

I have a bunch of PianoDisc CDs that I'd love to play on my Disklavier. Is there a utility that will convert them?

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(425) 791-0309

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@spencerserolls.com
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(425) 791-0309

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@spencerserolls.com
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(425) 791-0309

From: "Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:23:19 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier

There are programs that convert dkv files into MIDI files, I would think there is one for Pianodiscs as well.

Sam

www.keyboardcollective.com

(212) 684-3304

On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:58 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Dave,

Although I have not personally tried any PianoDisc CDs with my Disklavier, my understanding is that not all PianoDisc CDs are compatible with the Disklavier.

Here's a comment made by Mark Fontana from an earlier post (see URL pasted below):

"PianoDisc CDs made after mid-2005 include a rudimentary protection mechanism that adds garbage notes to the performance in an attempt to thwart playback on competitors' systems; CDs with this protection scheme are labeled "Silent Drive Plus". I'm not sure whether Yamaha supports such CDs yet. All PianoDisc CDs dated 2004 and earlier should play fine."

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/9790

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/8822

Robert

From: "daveproberts@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:34:56 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier

I have a bunch of PianoDisc CDs that I'd love to play on my Disklavier. Is there a utility that will convert them?

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(425) 791-0309

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(425) 791-0309

(Message over 64 KB, truncated)

​​ >>might need to fight this out on the phone. i looked at the site you gave but only see how to download the files not how to stream them so i have no idea how to intercept the stream.

By stream I mean "open with" Van Basco rather than download to HD. I assume that was like streaming as you are not saving to HD - no? The interface is done so well that it would be a great way to play the files, but maybe not possible to change pedal data to ch 3 in real time.

​>>if these files are all from the Yamaha E-Comp files, why not just use the files from Yamaha and convert them as needed. I have a zip file of all the E-Comp stuff with metadata added as text events and i think i also have the needed tag.txt files to make files with mid2pianoCD with MP3 tags. not sure if your DKV will like MP3 files.

I have DL all the E-comp files from disklavierworld, but they are not complete. Most years have just winners, not all the contestants' performances.

It seems like it would be very arduous to DL from Yamaha E-Comp site as they are listed by performer and very few at a time.

If you have all the E-Comp files and would share. that would be great and could solve my problem, though it would be nice to stream from DEN site.

Thanks for your help.

Sam
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

​​

​​

​​

might need to fight this out on the phone. i looked at the site you gave but only see how to download the files not how to stream them so i have no idea how to intercept the stream.

​​

if these files are all from the Yamaha E-Comp files, why not just use the files from Yamaha and convert them as needed. I have a zip file of all the E-Comp stuff with metadata added as text events and i think i also have the needed tag.txt files to make files with mid2pianoCD with MP3 tags. not sure if your DKV will like MP3 files.

On 3/29/2015 4:01 PM, Sam Kanter skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:

So I should see MIDI OX or YOKE as one of the outputs in Van Basco player - that helps.

Any other tips would help - I'm basically flying blind and trying things by trial and error at this point.

This is the site:

http://yamahaden.com/midi-files

I just want to play MIDI files with VB from the site without downloading and converting pedal info first, which would defeat the nice UI the site provides.

Sam Kanter
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Spencer Chase lists@spencerserolls.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

midiox is very confusing but once you figure it out, it is pretty amazing.
mapping between hardware and virtual devices is done with midi yoke. i think you need to get that and install it separately but it is part of midiox. once you have midi yoke installed you will have a whole bunch of virtual midi ports that can be set as inputs or outputs. it might be possible to do what you need without midi ox but i usually find it necessary when using software MIDI devices. once you have midi yoke installed you will see all the yokes as available output in VanBascos. Sequencers etc will see the yokes as inputs as well.

if you think midiox is confusing wait until you start playing with yokes too :)

On 3/29/2015 3:39 PM, Sam Kanter skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:

i found the data mapping window, and think I've told it to change controller data from ch 1 to 3, but not sure how to map Van Basco program (computer) (OUT) to DKV (IN). I will probably figure it out eventually, but if you can specifically help, I'd appreciate it...

Sam Kanter
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

i am not familiar with the site and how you connect to your piano. if you can intercept a midi stream somewhere on your computer it should be possible to use midiox to shift all controllers (you have to do all controllers and can not pick just pedals but since that is all the controllers that should be in a piano MIDI file it does not matter)to channel 3.

get midiox and install it. the help file explains how to do it but it is difficult to find. use the search function in the help window and search for data mapping. you can bring up the data mapping window from the little icon that looks like two notes with an arrow between them. it is really difficult to find if you are icon blind as i am. anyway once you get to this window you can set a map to move controllers from any channel to channel 3.

On 3/29/2015 12:43 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:

Spencer, thanks for the explanation.

Regarding my former post, any idea how I could play files from DEN Signature MIDI site and convert incremental pedal info to ch 3 without downloading and converting with MIDIMod first?

Sam

www.keyboardcollective.com

(212) 684-3304

On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

there is no industry accepted term for the type of file on a PianoDisc CD so people make them up as they go along. the data on the CD is MIDI but is encoded in an audio format so some people call it analog. it is actually a WAV (some players can use MP3 files as well if they can decode it properly) file so there is nothing analog about it until it gets out of the decoder. I don't know about the internal workings of the PD system and whether the data ever really exists in analog form. Since the PD is made to be compatible with a variety of audio recording and playback devices such as MP3 players, my guess is that it might actually be converted to analog audio and then decoded into MIDI.

anyway, it would be great if someone came up with a good name for this sort of file? Audio encoded MIDI maybe?

On 3/29/2015 11:48 AM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:

On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:55 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The piano data on PianoDisc CD would be in an 'analog MIDI' format. While utilities exit to convert a MIDI file into an analog wav file, I am not aware of a utility that does the reverse.

I've never heard of an "analog MIDI format". MIDI is an acronym for Musical Instrument DIGITAL Interface. Please explain.

Sam

www.keyboardcollective.com

(212) 684-3304

On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:55 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The piano data on PianoDisc CD would be in an 'analog MIDI' format. While utilities exit to convert a MIDI file into an analog wav file, I am not aware of a (Message over 64 KB, truncated)

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> not sure why you would want to do it this way but you should be able to open with VanB and set VanBs output to a yoke, then set up a mapping from the yoke to your midi interface and do the mapping of all controllers to channel 3. once you set up midiox and have the yoke installed it will always be there to do whatever you want. you need to run midiox every time you boot your computer or want to use the mapping etc. you can also set up midiox to start whenever you start your computer. i forget how to do this but you can. it varies a little with different versions of windows. just google "windows startup applications" and look for details for your OS.
> 
>> On 3/29/2015 5:12 PM, Sam Kanter skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>  
>> ​​ >>might need to fight this out on the phone. i looked at the site you gave but only see how to download the files not how to stream them so i have no idea how to intercept the stream.
>> 
>> By stream I mean "open with" Van Basco rather than download to HD. I assume that was like streaming as you are not saving to HD - no? The interface is done so well that it would be a great way to play the files, but maybe not possible to change pedal data to ch 3 in real time.
>> 
>> ​>>if these files are all from the Yamaha E-Comp files, why not just use the files from Yamaha and convert them as needed. I have a zip file of all the E-Comp stuff with metadata added as text events and i think i also have the needed tag.txt files to make files with mid2pianoCD with MP3 tags. not sure if your DKV will like MP3 files.
>> 
>> I have DL all the E-comp files from disklavierworld, but they are not complete. Most years have just winners, not all the contestants' performances.
>> It seems like it would be very arduous to DL from Yamaha E-Comp site as they are listed by performer and very few at a time.
>> 
>> If you have all the E-Comp files and would share. that would be great and could solve my problem, though it would be nice to stream from DEN site. 
>> 
>> Thanks for your help.
>> 
>> Sam
>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>> (212) 684-3304
>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>  
>>> ​​
>>> ​​
>>> ​​
>>> might need to fight this out on the phone. i looked at the site you gave but only see how to download the files not how to stream them so i have no idea how to intercept the stream.
>>> 
>>> ​​
>>> if these files are all from the Yamaha E-Comp files, why not just use the files from Yamaha and convert them as needed. I have a zip file of all the E-Comp stuff with metadata added as text events and i think i also have the needed tag.txt files to make files with mid2pianoCD with MP3 tags. not sure if your DKV will like MP3 files.
>>> 
>>>> On 3/29/2015 4:01 PM, Sam Kanter skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> So I should see MIDI OX or YOKE as one of the outputs in Van Basco player - that helps.
>>>> 
>>>> Any other tips would help - I'm basically flying blind and trying things by trial and error at this point.
>>>> 
>>>> This is the site:
>>>> 
>>>> http://yamahaden.com/midi-files
>>>> 
>>>> I just want to play MIDI files with VB from the site without downloading and converting pedal info first, which would defeat the nice UI the site provides.
>>>> 
>>>> Sam Kanter
>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>>>> (212) 684-3304
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Spencer Chase lists@spencerserolls.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>> midiox is very confusing but once you figure it out, it is pretty amazing.
>>>>> mapping between hardware and virtual devices is done with midi yoke. i think you need to get that and install it separately but it is part of midiox. once you have midi yoke installed you will have a whole bunch of virtual midi ports that can be set as inputs or outputs.  it might be possible to do what you need without midi ox but i usually find it necessary when using software MIDI devices. once you have midi yoke installed you will see all the yokes as available output in VanBascos. Sequencers etc will see the yokes as inputs as well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> if you think midiox is confusing wait until you start playing with yokes too :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/29/2015 3:39 PM, Sam Kanter skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> i found the data mapping window, and think I've told it to change controller data from ch 1 to 3, but not sure how to map Van Basco program (computer) (OUT) to DKV (IN). I will probably figure it out eventually, but if you can specifically help, I'd appreciate it...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sam Kanter
>>>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>>>>>> (212) 684-3304
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> i am not familiar with the site and how you connect to your piano. if you can intercept a midi stream somewhere on your computer it should be possible to use midiox to shift all controllers (you have to do all controllers and can not pick just pedals but since that is all the controllers that should be in a piano MIDI file it does not matter)to channel 3. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> get midiox and install it. the help file explains how to do it but it is difficult to find. use the search function in the help window and search for data mapping. you can bring up the data mapping window from the little icon that looks like two notes with an arrow between them. it is really difficult to find if you are icon blind as i am. anyway once you get to this window you can set a map to move controllers from any channel to channel 3.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 3/29/2015 12:43 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> Spencer, thanks for the explanation.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regarding my former post, any idea how I could play files from DEN Signature MIDI site and convert incremental pedal info to ch 3 without downloading and converting with MIDIMod first?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sam 
>>>>>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>>>>>>>> (212) 684-3304
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Spencer Chase lists@spencerserolls.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> there is no industry accepted term for the type of file on a PianoDisc CD so people make them up as they go along. the data on the CD is MIDI but is encoded in an audio format so some people call it analog. it is actually a WAV (some players can use MP3 files as well if they can decode it properly) file so there is nothing analog about it until it gets out of the decoder. I don't know about the internal workings of the PD system and whether the data ever really exists in analog form. Since the PD is made to be compatible with a variety of audio recording and playback devices such as MP3 players, my guess is that it might actually be converted to analog audio and then decoded into MIDI. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> anyway, it would be great if someone came up with a good name for this sort of file? Audio encoded MIDI maybe? 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/29/2015 11:48 AM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:55 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The piano data on PianoDisc CD would be in an 'analog MIDI' format.  While utilities exit to convert a MIDI file into an analog wav file, I am not aware of a utility that does the reverse.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I've never heard of an "analog MIDI format". MIDI is an acronym for Musical Instrument DIGITAL Interface. Please explain.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sam 
>>>>>>>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>>>>>>>>>> (212) 684-3304
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:55 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The piano data on PianoDisc CD would be in an 'analog MIDI' format.  While utilities exit to convert a MIDI file into an analog wav file, I am not aware of a utility that does the reverse.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:23:19 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> There are programs that convert dkv files into MIDI files, I would think there is one for Pianodiscs as well.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sam 
>>>>>>>>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>>>>>>>>>>> (212) 684-3304
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:58 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Although I have not personally tried any PianoDisc CDs with my Disklavier, my understanding is that not all PianoDisc CDs are compatible with the Disklavier.  
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a comment made by Mark Fontana from an earlier post (see URL pasted below):
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> "PianoDisc CDs made after mid-2005 include a rudimentary protection mechanism that adds garbage notes to the performance in an attempt to thwart playback on competitors' systems; CDs with this protection scheme are labeled "Silent Drive Plus".   I'm not sure whether Yamaha supports such CDs yet.   All PianoDisc CDs dated 2004 and earlier should play fine."
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/9790
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/8822
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "daveproberts@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:34:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I have a bunch of PianoDisc CDs that I'd love to play on my Disklavier. Is there a utility that will convert them?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Spencer Chase
>>>>>>>>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
>>>>>>>>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
>>>>>>>>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
>>>>>>>>> Spencer@...
>>>>>>>>> http://www.spencerserolls.com
>>>>>>>>> (425) 791-0309
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best regards, Spencer Chase
>>>>>>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
>>>>>>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
>>>>>>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
>>>>>>> Spencer@...
>>>>>>> http://www.spencerserolls.com
>>>>>>> (425) 791-0309
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards, Spencer Chase
>>>>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
>>>>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
>>>>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
>>>>> Spencer@...
>>>>> http://www.spencerserolls.com
>>>>> (425) 791-0309
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> Best regards, Spencer Chase
>>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
>>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
>>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
>>> Spencer@...
>>> http://www.spencerserolls.com
>>> (425) 791-0309
>> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Best regards, Spencer Chase
> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
> Spencer@...
> http://www.spencerserolls.com
> (425) 791-0309
>

I'll try. I want to do it this way because downloading all the ecomp files from Yamaha site or DEN site would take forever, unless I'm missing something...

Sam

www.keyboardcollective.com

(212) 684-3304

On Mar 29, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

not sure why you would want to do it this way but you should be able to open with VanB and set VanBs output to a yoke, then set up a mapping from the yoke to your midi interface and do the mapping of all controllers to channel 3. once you set up midiox and have the yoke installed it will always be there to do whatever you want. you need to run midiox every time you boot your computer or want to use the mapping etc. you can also set up midiox to start whenever you start your computer. i forget how to do this but you can. it varies a little with different versions of windows. just google "windows startup applications" and look for details for your OS.

On 3/29/2015 5:12 PM, Sam Kanter skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:

​​ >>might need to fight this out on the phone. i looked at the site you gave but only see how to download the files not how to stream them so i have no idea how to intercept the stream.

By stream I mean "open with" Van Basco rather than download to HD. I assume that was like streaming as you are not saving to HD - no? The interface is done so well that it would be a great way to play the files, but maybe not possible to change pedal data to ch 3 in real time.

​>>if these files are all from the Yamaha E-Comp files, why not just use the files from Yamaha and convert them as needed. I have a zip file of all the E-Comp stuff with metadata added as text events and i think i also have the needed tag.txt files to make files with mid2pianoCD with MP3 tags. not sure if your DKV will like MP3 files.

I have DL all the E-comp files from disklavierworld, but they are not complete. Most years have just winners, not all the contestants' performances.

It seems like it would be very arduous to DL from Yamaha E-Comp site as they are listed by performer and very few at a time.

If you have all the E-Comp files and would share. that would be great and could solve my problem, though it would be nice to stream from DEN site.

Thanks for your help.

Sam
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

​​

​​

​​

might need to fight this out on the phone. i looked at the site you gave but only see how to download the files not how to stream them so i have no idea how to intercept the stream.

​​

if these files are all from the Yamaha E-Comp files, why not just use the files from Yamaha and convert them as needed. I have a zip file of all the E-Comp stuff with metadata added as text events and i think i also have the needed tag.txt files to make files with mid2pianoCD with MP3 tags. not sure if your DKV will like MP3 files.

On 3/29/2015 4:01 PM, Sam Kanter skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:

So I should see MIDI OX or YOKE as one of the outputs in Van Basco player - that helps.

Any other tips would help - I'm basically flying blind and trying things by trial and error at this point.

This is the site:

http://yamahaden.com/midi-files

I just want to play MIDI files with VB from the site without downloading and converting pedal info first, which would defeat the nice UI the site provides.

Sam Kanter
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

midiox is very confusing but once you figure it out, it is pretty amazing.
mapping between hardware and virtual devices is done with midi yoke. i think you need to get that and install it separately but it is part of midiox. once you have midi yoke installed you will have a whole bunch of virtual midi ports that can be set as inputs or outputs. it might be possible to do what you need without midi ox but i usually find it necessary when using software MIDI devices. once you have midi yoke installed you will see all the yokes as available output in VanBascos. Sequencers etc will see the yokes as inputs as well.

if you think midiox is confusing wait until you start playing with yokes too :)

On 3/29/2015 3:39 PM, Sam Kanter skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:

i found the data mapping window, and think I've told it to change controller data from ch 1 to 3, but not sure how to map Van Basco program (computer) (OUT) to DKV (IN). I will probably figure it out eventually, but if you can specifically help, I'd appreciate it...

Sam Kanter
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Spencer Chase lists@spencerserolls.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

i am not familiar with the site and how you connect to your piano. if you can intercept a midi stream somewhere on your computer it should be possible to use midiox to shift all controllers (you have to do all controllers and can not pick just pedals but since that is all the controllers that should be in a piano MIDI file it does not matter)to channel 3.

get midiox and install it. the help file explains how to do it but it is difficult to find. use the search function in the help window and search for data mapping. you can bring up the data mapping window from the little icon that looks like two notes with an arrow between them. it is really difficult to find if you are icon blind as i am. anyway once you get to this window you can set a map to move controllers from any channel to channel 3.

On 3/29/2015 12:43 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@gmail.com [disklavier] wrote:

Spencer, thanks for the explanation.

Regarding my former post, any idea how I could play files from DEN Signature MIDI site and convert incremental pedal info to ch 3 without downloading and converting with MIDIMod first?

Sam

www.keyboardcollective.com

(212) 684-3304

On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@...m> wrote:

there is no industry accepted term for the type of file on a PianoDisc CD so people make them up as they go along. the data on the CD is MIDI but is encoded in an audio format so some people call it analog. it is actually a WAV (some players can use MP3 files as well if they can decode it properly) file so there is nothing analog about it until it gets out of the decoder. I don't know about the internal workings of the PD system and whether the data ever really exists in analog form. Since the PD is made to be compatible with a variety of audio recording and playback devices such as MP3 players, my guess is that it might actually be converted to analog audio and then decoded into MIDI.

anyway, it would be great if someone came up with a good name for this sort of file? Audio encoded MIDI maybe?

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> On Mar 29, 2015, at 9:29 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> other than the last competition, i have them all in a zip file with metadata. it did take forever and there were a bunch of errors and other sloppiness. the metadata from yamaha is only on the site so i had to write a script to collect it from saved pages. i forget the details but it was a lot of work. i might do it for the last comp but there is really not much new, just some different performers. some are very good, some are so so but 5 years of e-comps is probably enough for anyone other than maybe getting the best stuff from the last one as well.
> 
> 
>> On 3/29/2015 5:54 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>  
>> I'll try. I want to do it this way because downloading all the ecomp files from Yamaha site or DEN site would take forever, unless I'm missing something...
>> 
>> Sam 
>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>> (212) 684-3304
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Spencer Chase lists@spencerserolls.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>  
>>> not sure why you would want to do it this way but you should be able to open with VanB and set VanBs output to a yoke, then set up a mapping from the yoke to your midi interface and do the mapping of all controllers to channel 3. once you set up midiox and have the yoke installed it will always be there to do whatever you want. you need to run midiox every time you boot your computer or want to use the mapping etc. you can also set up midiox to start whenever you start your computer. i forget how to do this but you can. it varies a little with different versions of windows. just google "windows startup applications" and look for details for your OS.
>>> 
>>>> On 3/29/2015 5:12 PM, Sam Kanter skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> ​​ >>might need to fight this out on the phone. i looked at the site you gave but only see how to download the files not how to stream them so i have no idea how to intercept the stream.
>>>> 
>>>> By stream I mean "open with" Van Basco rather than download to HD. I assume that was like streaming as you are not saving to HD - no? The interface is done so well that it would be a great way to play the files, but maybe not possible to change pedal data to ch 3 in real time.
>>>> 
>>>> ​>>if these files are all from the Yamaha E-Comp files, why not just use the files from Yamaha and convert them as needed. I have a zip file of all the E-Comp stuff with metadata added as text events and i think i also have the needed tag.txt files to make files with mid2pianoCD with MP3 tags. not sure if your DKV will like MP3 files.
>>>> 
>>>> I have DL all the E-comp files from disklavierworld, but they are not complete. Most years have just winners, not all the contestants' performances.
>>>> It seems like it would be very arduous to DL from Yamaha E-Comp site as they are listed by performer and very few at a time.
>>>> 
>>>> If you have all the E-Comp files and would share. that would be great and could solve my problem, though it would be nice to stream from DEN site. 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>> 
>>>> Sam
>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>>>> (212) 684-3304
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>> ​​
>>>>> ​​
>>>>> ​​
>>>>> might need to fight this out on the phone. i looked at the site you gave but only see how to download the files not how to stream them so i have no idea how to intercept the stream.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ​​
>>>>> if these files are all from the Yamaha E-Comp files, why not just use the files from Yamaha and convert them as needed. I have a zip file of all the E-Comp stuff with metadata added as text events and i think i also have the needed tag.txt files to make files with mid2pianoCD with MP3 tags. not sure if your DKV will like MP3 files.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/29/2015 4:01 PM, Sam Kanter skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> So I should see MIDI OX or YOKE as one of the outputs in Van Basco player - that helps.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any other tips would help - I'm basically flying blind and trying things by trial and error at this point.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is the site:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://yamahaden.com/midi-files
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just want to play MIDI files with VB from the site without downloading and converting pedal info first, which would defeat the nice UI the site provides.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sam Kanter
>>>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>>>>>> (212) 684-3304
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> midiox is very confusing but once you figure it out, it is pretty amazing.
>>>>>>> mapping between hardware and virtual devices is done with midi yoke. i think you need to get that and install it separately but it is part of midiox. once you have midi yoke installed you will have a whole bunch of virtual midi ports that can be set as inputs or outputs.  it might be possible to do what you need without midi ox but i usually find it necessary when using software MIDI devices. once you have midi yoke installed you will see all the yokes as available output in VanBascos. Sequencers etc will see the yokes as inputs as well.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> if you think midiox is confusing wait until you start playing with yokes too :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 3/29/2015 3:39 PM, Sam Kanter skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> i found the data mapping window, and think I've told it to change controller data from ch 1 to 3, but not sure how to map Van Basco program (computer) (OUT) to DKV (IN). I will probably figure it out eventually, but if you can specifically help, I'd appreciate it...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sam Kanter
>>>>>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>>>>>>>> (212) 684-3304
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> i am not familiar with the site and how you connect to your piano. if you can intercept a midi stream somewhere on your computer it should be possible to use midiox to shift all controllers (you have to do all controllers                                                           and can not pick just pedals but since that is all the controllers that should be in a piano MIDI file it does not matter)to channel 3. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> get midiox and install it. the help file explains how to do it but it is difficult to find. use the search function in the help window and search for data mapping. you can bring up the data mapping window from the little icon that looks like two notes with an arrow between them. it is really difficult to find if you are icon blind as i am. anyway once you get to this window you can set a map to move controllers from any channel to channel 3.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/29/2015 12:43 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> Spencer, thanks for the explanation.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regarding my former post, any idea how I could play files from DEN Signature MIDI site and convert incremental pedal info to ch 3 without downloading and converting with MIDIMod first?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sam 
>>>>>>>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>>>>>>>>>> (212) 684-3304
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> there is no industry accepted term for the type of file on a PianoDisc CD so people make them up as they go along. the data on the CD is MIDI but is encoded in an audio format so some people call it analog. it is actually a WAV (some players can use MP3 files as well if they can decode it properly) file so there is nothing analog about it until it gets out of the decoder. I don't know about the internal workings of the PD system and whether the data ever really exists in analog form. Since the PD is made to be compatible with a variety of audio recording and playback devices such as MP3 players, my guess is that it might actually be converted to analog audio and then decoded into MIDI. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, it would be great if someone came up with a good name for this sort of file? Audio encoded MIDI maybe? 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/29/2015 11:48 AM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:55 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The piano data on PianoDisc CD would be in an 'analog MIDI' format.  While utilities exit to convert a MIDI file into an analog wav file, I am not aware of a utility that does the reverse.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've never heard of an "analog MIDI format". MIDI is an acronym for Musical Instrument DIGITAL Interface. Please explain.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam 
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> (212) 684-3304
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:55 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@shaw.ca [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The piano data on PianoDisc CD would be in an 'analog MIDI' format.  While utilities exit to convert a MIDI file into an analog wav file, I am not aware of a utility that does the reverse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:23:19 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are programs that convert dkv files into MIDI files, I would think there is one                                                           for Pianodiscs as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (212) 684-3304
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:58 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Although I have not personally tried any PianoDisc CDs with my Disklavier, my understanding is that not all PianoDisc CDs are compatible with the Disklavier.  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a comment made by Mark Fontana from an earlier post (see URL pasted below):
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "PianoDisc CDs made after mid-2005 include a rudimentary protection mechanism that adds garbage notes to the performance in an attempt to thwart playback on competitors' systems; CDs with this protection scheme are labeled "Silent Drive Plus".   I'm not sure whether Yamaha supports such CDs yet.   All PianoDisc CDs dated 2004 and earlier should play fine."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/9790
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/conversations/topics/8822
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "daveproberts@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:34:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [disklavier] Converting PianoDisc to Disklavier
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a bunch of PianoDisc CDs that I'd love to play on my Disklavier. Is there a                                                           utility that will convert them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Spencer Chase
>>>>>>>>>>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
>>>>>>>>>>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
>>>>>>>>>>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
>>>>>>>>>>> Spencer@spencerserolls.com
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.spencerserolls.com
>>>>>>>>>>> (425) 791-0309
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Spencer Chase
>>>>>>>>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
>>>>>>>>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
>>>>>>>>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
>>>>>>>>> Spencer@spencerserolls.com
>>>>>>>>> http://www.spencerserolls.com
>>>>>>>>> (425) 791-0309
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best regards, Spencer Chase
>>>>>>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
>>>>>>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
>>>>>>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
>>>>>>> Spencer@spencerserolls.com
>>>>>>> http://www.spencerserolls.com
>>>>>>> (425) 791-0309
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards, Spencer Chase
>>>>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
>>>>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
>>>>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
>>>>> Spencer@...
>>>>> http://www.spencerserolls.com
>>>>> (425) 791-0309
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> Best regards, Spencer Chase
>>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
>>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
>>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
>>> Spencer@...
>>> http://www.spencerserolls.com
>>> (425) 791-0309
> 
> -- 
> 
> Best regards, Spencer Chase
> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
> Spencer@...
> http://www.spencerserolls.com
> (425) 791-0309
>

I don't know why it takes them so long to put up E-comp MIDI files. I think it's because they use them for disklavier TV for a few years and don't want to give for free. The last I have is 2011. I think that's the most recent available.

Would you be willing to share zip file? No problem if not...

Sam

www.keyboardcollective.com

(212) 684-3304

On Mar 29, 2015, at 9:29 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

other than the last competition, i have them all in a zip file with metadata. it did take forever and there were a bunch of errors and other sloppiness. the metadata from yamaha is only on the site so i had to write a script to collect it from saved pages. i forget the details but it was a lot of work. i might do it for the last comp but there is really not much new, just some different performers. some are very good, some are so so but 5 years of e-comps is probably enough for anyone other than maybe getting the best stuff from the last one as well.

On 3/29/2015 5:54 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:

I'll try. I want to do it this way because downloading all the ecomp files from Yamaha site or DEN site would take forever, unless I'm missing something...

Sam

www.keyboardcollective.com

(212) 684-3304

On Mar 29, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

not sure why you would want to do it this way but you should be able to open with VanB and set VanBs output to a yoke, then set up a mapping from the yoke to your midi interface and do the mapping of all controllers to channel 3. once you set up midiox and have the yoke installed it will always be there to do whatever you want. you need to run midiox every time you boot your computer or want to use the mapping etc. you can also set up midiox to start whenever you start your computer. i forget how to do this but you can. it varies a little with different versions of windows. just google "windows startup applications" and look for details for your OS.

On 3/29/2015 5:12 PM, Sam Kanter skanter123@gmail.com [disklavier] wrote:

​​ >>might need to fight this out on the phone. i looked at the site you gave but only see how to download the files not how to stream them so i have no idea how to intercept the stream.

By stream I mean "open with" Van Basco rather than download to HD. I assume that was like streaming as you are not saving to HD - no? The interface is done so well that it would be a great way to play the files, but maybe not possible to change pedal data to ch 3 in real time.

​>>if these files are all from the Yamaha E-Comp files, why not just use the files from Yamaha and convert them as needed. I have a zip file of all the E-Comp stuff with metadata added as text events and i think i also have the needed tag.txt files to make files with mid2pianoCD with MP3 tags. not sure if your DKV will like MP3 files.

I have DL all the E-comp files from disklavierworld, but they are not complete. Most years have just winners, not all the contestants' performances.

It seems like it would be very arduous to DL from Yamaha E-Comp site as they are listed by performer and very few at a time.

If you have all the E-Comp files and would share. that would be great and could solve my problem, though it would be nice to stream from DEN site.

Thanks for your help.

Sam
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

​​

​​

​​

might need to fight this out on the phone. i looked at the site you gave but only see how to download the files not how to stream them so i have no idea how to intercept the stream.

​​

if these files are all from the Yamaha E-Comp files, why not just use the files from Yamaha and convert them as needed. I have a zip file of all the E-Comp stuff with metadata added as text events and i think i also have the needed tag.txt files to make files with mid2pianoCD with MP3 tags. not sure if your DKV will like MP3 files.

On 3/29/2015 4:01 PM, Sam Kanter skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:

So I should see MIDI OX or YOKE as one of the outputs in Van Basco player - that helps.

Any other tips would help - I'm basically flying blind and trying things by trial and error at this point.

This is the site:

http://yamahaden.com/midi-files

I just want to play MIDI files with VB from the site without downloading and converting pedal info first, which would defeat the nice UI the site provides.

Sam Kanter
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

midiox is very confusing but once you figure it out, it is pretty amazing.
mapping between hardware and virtual devices is done with midi yoke. i think you need to get that and install it separately but it is part of midiox. once you have midi yoke installed you will have a whole bunch of virtual midi ports that can be set as inputs or outputs. it might be possible to do what you need without midi ox but i usually find it necessary when using software MIDI devices. once you have midi yoke installed you will see all the yokes as available output in VanBascos. Sequencers etc will see the yokes as inputs as well.

if you think midiox is confusing wait until you start playing with yokes too :)

On 3/29/2015 3:39 PM, Sam Kanter skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:

i found the data mapping window, and think I've told it to change controller data from ch 1 to 3, but not sure how to map Van Basco program (computer) (OUT) to DKV (IN). I will probably figure it out eventually, but if you can specifically help, I'd appreciate it...

Sam Kanter
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

i am not familiar with the site and how you connect to your piano. if you can intercept a midi stream somewhere on your computer it should be possible to use midiox to shift all controllers (you have to do all controllers and can not pick just pedals but since that is all the controllers that should be in a piano MIDI file it does not matter)to channel 3.

get midiox and install it. the help file explains how to do it but it is difficult to find. use the search function in the help window and search for data mapping. you can bring up the data mapping window from the little icon that looks like two notes with an arrow between them. it is really difficult to find if you are icon blind as i am. anyway once you get to this window you can set a map to move controllers from any channel to channel 3.

On 3/29/2015 12:43 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:

Spencer, thanks for the explanation.

Regarding my former post, any idea how I could play files from DEN Signature MIDI (Message over 64 KB, truncated)