Disklavier

Has anyone tried running the mark IV virtual PRC using Windows 10 or El Capitan? I've lost the functionality of the virtual PRC when upgrading to new operating systems in the past, and I'm wondering Window 10 and/or El Capitan are still able to access the disklavier and run the virtual PRC.

I haven't been able to run virtual PRC on Mac after El Capitan upgrade.

Hi John


I am running Windows 10 and can still load up the virtual PRC although I am still running Java 7 at this time.   It comes up with a warning that future versions of Java will not allow the running of unsigned certificates as it is a security risk and then asks if you still want to run the app and accept the risk.


Owen





From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 09 October 2015 21:01
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [disklavier] Mark IV virtual PRC with Windows 10 or El Capitan








Has anyone tried running the mark IV virtual PRC using Windows 10 or El Capitan?  I've lost the functionality of the virtual PRC when upgrading to new operating systems in the past, and I'm wondering Window 10 and/or El Capitan are still able to access the disklavier and run the virtual PRC.

Where in Forums can someone learn more about Mark IV virtual PRC for Windows?

In general, I try to keep the virtual PRC running on my computer, even though I never use it.  Each operating system upgrade (I'm on Windows), and other large change (newer Java version) causes some hiccup or another.  My primary reason for keeping it running is that DKVBrowser doesn't cover all of the features (the primary one that is missing is the ability to start a backup).  My real PRC-100 is in need of a battery replacement, and if I were to find that it was actually, dead, and I wanted to start a backup, I'd need the virtual one...so, I work hard to keep it running.
Anyway, I'm currently able to run it on Windows 10, and the latest java, but I had to bypass a few of the steps that are part of the normal launch procedure.
Nowadays, I have an icon (shortcut) on my desktop which a target of:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre7\bin\javaw.exe" -cp prc100.jar gui.prc100 -h=192.168.0.6 -p=3191 webremote -w=31910

and a start in (default directory) of C:\users\kevin\
and in C:\users\kevin is the actual "prc100.jar" (this is the actual prc100 program) that I had to manually download from the piano (I can probably explain how that was done, or just share this jar file since you all already have it anyway).
So, basically, this shortcut runs javaw.exe, and passes it a bunch of important command line parameters.  As it turns out, you would all need the same command line parameters (I believe), aside from the one that looks like this:-h=192.168.0.6as that is the IP address of my piano on my network.  You would need to replace it with the (hopefully fixed) IP address of your piano.
By doing it this way, I'm bypassing all of the nonsense that Yamaha built in (which mostly doesn't work anymore), involving dynamically figuring out this command line, and delivering the jar file to your browser behind the scenes (I think this was called jnlp, but I could be mis-remembering).
I'm not entirely sure how one would do this on the mac, but I bet the above command line would work just fine from a shell prompt there.
-Kevin
      From: "john.raytis@yahoo.com [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
 To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 4:01 PM
 Subject: [disklavier] Mark IV virtual PRC with Windows 10 or El Capitan
   
    Has anyone tried running the mark IV virtual PRC using Windows 10 or El Capitan?  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Yep, that jnlp stuff doesn't seem to be supported anymore (???)
Anyway,  if you go to:
http://10.0.1.15/prc/prc100.jar

your browser should prompt you for a location to save the prc100.jar file.
Once you put that somewhere, you should be able to construct the command line that I mentioned earlier, and actually run the virtual prc that way.  Running it via the jnlp file seems like a dead end nowadays.

      From: "jheitzeb1@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
 To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [disklavier] Mark IV virtual PRC with Windows 10 or El Capitan
   
    Kevin,  I have enclosed the code from my prcstart.jnlp file where 10.0.1.15 is corresponding IP address of my piano.  The other parameters seem to be the same as your code.  I have tried running this and it momentarily brings up Virtual PRC in menubar and then fades away to nothing.  When I get info on the file it is set to use "java web start.app(default).  Is there a way to run this script?  I do not see prc100.jar on my hard drive.  I am clueless.  Thanks Joan
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><jnlp spec="1.0+" codebase="http://10.0.1.15/prc" href="prc.php">  <information>    <title>Virtual PRC</title>    <vendor>YAMAHA</vendor>    <homepage href="./index.php" />      <description>Virtual PRC</description>      <description kind="short">Virtual PRC</description>  </information>  <update check="always" policy="always" />  <resources>    <j2se version="1.3+" />    <jar href="./prc100.jar" />  </resources>  <application-desc    main-class="gui.prc100" >    <argument>-h=10.0.1.15</argument>     <argument>-p=3191</argument>     <argument>webremote</argument>     <argument>-w= 31910</argument>   </application-desc> </jnlp>

Good evening, everyone.

I am able to run the Virtual PRC in El Capitan on my Mac by downgrading Java to Java 8 Update 25. Given all of the security issues surrounding Java, especially older versions of Java, I am not advising anyone to do this downgrade. However, if you want to know how it is done, here are the instructions:

1) Verify your version of Java.
To determine your version of Java, select System Preferences from the Apple men. Then click the Java icon to bring up the Java Preference Pane.

Click the Update tab to see what version of Java you have.

2) If your version of Java is earlier than Java 8 Update 25, do not use the update feature of your Java Control Panel because it will update to a later version of Java. Instead, download and install Java SE Runtime Environment 8u25 from this location:

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/java-archive-javase8-2177648.html#jre-8u25-oth-JPR

3) If your version of Java is later than Java 8 Update 25, uninstall Java and then follow the instructions in Step 2. Instructions for uninstalling Java may be found here:

https://www.java.com/en/download/help/mac_uninstall_java.xml

4) When your computer gives you messages to update Java or block Java, ignore them.

5) In your Finder, locate your Disklavier, which will show up as a computer on your network with a name that starts with dkv. Open the Disklavier, locate the DNA folder, and double-click VirtualPRC.html.

6) This will open a page in your web browser. Log in with the following username and password (unless you have changed them):

root
prcstart

7) Click the Start button. This action will download a file called prcstart.php.jnlp. Locate the file and put it somewhere for future use. Then, double-click the file. This action will launch the actual PRC Java application from the Disklavier’s hard drive.

Next time you want to run the Virtual PRC, locate and double-click prcstart.php.jnlp.

Regards,
PianoBench 

> On Oct 10, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Kevin Goroway kgoroway@yahoo.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yep, that jnlp stuff doesn't seem to be supported anymore (???)
> 
> Anyway,  if you go to:
> 
> http://10.0.1.15/prc/prc100.jar <http://10.0.1.15/prc/prc100.jar>
> 
> your browser should prompt you for a location to save the prc100.jar file.
> 
> Once you put that somewhere, you should be able to construct the command line that I mentioned earlier, and actually run the virtual prc that way.  Running it via the jnlp file seems like a dead end nowadays.
> 
> From: "jheitzeb1@... <mailto:jheitzeb1@...> [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>>
> To: diskla vier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vier@yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Mark IV virtual PRC with Windows 10 or El Capitan
> 
>  
> Kevin,  I have enclosed the code from my prcstart.jnlp file where 10.0.1.15 is corresponding IP address of my piano.  The other parameters seem to be the same as your code.  I have tried running this and it momentarily brings up Virtual PRC in menubar and then fades away to nothing.  When I get info on the file it is set to use "java web start.app(default).  Is there a way to run this script?  I do not see prc100.jar on my hard drive.  I am clueless.  Thanks Joan
> 
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><jnlp spec="1.0+" codebase="http://10.0.1.15/prc <http://10.0.1.15/prc>" href="prc.php">
>   <information>
>     <title>Virtual PR C</title>
>     <vendor>YAMAHA</vendor>
>     <homepage href="./index.php" />
>       <description>Virtual PRC</description>
>       <description kind="short">Virtual PRC</description>
>   </information>
>   <update check="always" policy="always" />
>   <resources>
>     <j2se version="1.3+" />
>     <jar href="./prc100.jar" />
>   </resources>
>   <application-desc    main-class="gui.prc100" >
>     <argument>-h=10.0.1.15</argument> 
>     <argument>-p=3191</argument> 
>     <argument>webremote</argument> 
>     <argument>-w= 31910</argument> 
>   </application-desc> 
> </jnlp>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

I just saw this thread and indeed it is a Java issue, nothing to do with IP or networking.

You will find that Apple actually advocates downgrading Java for a whole host of issues that arise from upgrading OS. In fact Apple has many users (including myself) working on a much earlier version (v6 in my case). Apple actually has a dedicated URL on Apple.com with an approved downgrade version for all OS versions up to El Capitain just for Java downgrading.

As mentioned in the previous post, Java upgrades can and do address security loopholes so it is worth balancing the pros and cons if the virtual PRC is essential to use vs say DKVbrowser which is far superior, again mentioned earlier.

Assuming you are on Windows, 
the "Target" of the shortcut should be javaw.exe with all the rest of the stuff you entered so, something like (I'm not near the computer that has this, otherwise, I'd just take a screen shot and upload it...)
Target:  "c:\full\path\to\javaw.exe  -cp prc100.jar gui.prc100 -h=192.168.0.6 -p=3191 webremote -w=31910"
Right under the target is a "Start in:"
if you put your prc100.jar file in "c:\some\other\dir" then your Start In should be set to

"c:\some\other\dir\"
That should do it.
-Kevin

      From: "john.raytis@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
 To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 7:15 PM
 Subject: [disklavier] Re: Mark IV virtual PRC with Windows 10 or El Capitan
   
    Thanks Kevin.
It sounds like your work-around solves the issue.
I got the prc100.jar file off the piano, and I was able to make a shortcut to the javaw.exe file, but I can't figure out what to do after that.
Where do I enter: -cp prc100.jar gui.prc100 -h=192.168.0.6 -p=3191 webremote -w=31910

(I will change the h=xxx.x.x to my piano's address)
And what does it mean to create a "start" in default directory?
Thanks again for your help!
John

So, the other thing that Yamaha's technique accounts for (other than grabbing the right IP address) is that it ensures that you are always running the latest (correct) version of the PRC100 software.
So, in the unlikely(?) event that Yamaha ever updates the software for the MarkIV again, you'll want to grab a new prc100.jar off of your piano to replace the one you currently have.
Enjoy!
      From: "john.raytis@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
 To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 1:48 AM
 Subject: [disklavier] Re: Mark IV virtual PRC with Windows 10 or El Capitan
   
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