Disklavier

Greetings:

I want to convert some eseq files that I purchased from Yamaha to 
Midi so that I can edit and save them on my Clavinova.  I tried 
using the ESEQ2MIDI program on the files (extracted to my hard disk 
using the dkvcopy program) but I get an error message from ESEQ2MIDI 
on each file that says ESEQ file is corrupt.
However, the files play fine (from floppy disk) on my Clavinova, 
which reads both midi and eseq formats.

Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the files so that ESEQ2MIDI will 
be able to do the conversions?
Are there any programs that will do the conversions on the original 
disk itself (which is not readable on a PC unless one uses the 
dkvcopy program).

Thanks

Sam Safran
sam.safran@...

Sam, I've always used the Giebler Utilities to do that job.  See 
www.giebler.com  It's not free, but it does the job reliably.  With it, 
you cannot copy an entire Yamaha-protected Pianosoft diskette; however, 
you can copy and convert individual files.

For fun, I once tried the ESEQ2MIDI program and it didn't work for me 
either.  Rather than fight it, I continued to use Giebler which I had 
used for years.

If you have never worked under DOS, you just need to follow Giebler's 
instruction manual.  (If you cut your teeth on CP/M or DOS in the early 
days, you're in for a retro experience.)



bpsafran wrote:
> Greetings:
> 
> I want to convert some eseq files that I purchased from Yamaha to 
> Midi so that I can edit and save them on my Clavinova.  I tried 
> using the ESEQ2MIDI program on the files (extracted to my hard disk 
> using the dkvcopy program) but I get an error message from ESEQ2MIDI 
> on each file that says ESEQ file is corrupt.
> However, the files play fine (from floppy disk) on my Clavinova, 
> which reads both midi and eseq formats.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the files so that ESEQ2MIDI will 
> be able to do the conversions?
> Are there any programs that will do the conversions on the original 
> disk itself (which is not readable on a PC unless one uses the 
> dkvcopy program).
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Sam Safran
> sam.safran@...
> 
> 
> 
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fyi, giebler's program absolutely positively does NOT work under windows xp,
because xp has no true DOS mode

you need any operating system other than xp (95, 98, me) which can operate
in true DOS mode

i have asked giebler myself, and he either cannot or will not rewrite his
program to work under xp

giebler works best with an old slower computer

i know this from personal experience

actually, with giebler you can transfer filed from an eseq diskette to your
hard drive, convert them and then transfer them back to a diskette

sheldon deluty

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Robert Welcyng [mailto:rwelcyng@...]
  Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:09 PM
  To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [disklavier] Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI


  Sam, I've always used the Giebler Utilities to do that job.  See
  www.giebler.com  It's not free, but it does the job reliably.  With it,
  you cannot copy an entire Yamaha-protected Pianosoft diskette; however,
  you can copy and convert individual files.

  For fun, I once tried the ESEQ2MIDI program and it didn't work for me
  either.  Rather than fight it, I continued to use Giebler which I had
  used for years.

  If you have never worked under DOS, you just need to follow Giebler's
  instruction manual.  (If you cut your teeth on CP/M or DOS in the early
  days, you're in for a retro experience.)



  bpsafran wrote:
  > Greetings:
  >
  > I want to convert some eseq files that I purchased from Yamaha to
  > Midi so that I can edit and save them on my Clavinova.  I tried
  > using the ESEQ2MIDI program on the files (extracted to my hard disk
  > using the dkvcopy program) but I get an error message from ESEQ2MIDI
  > on each file that says ESEQ file is corrupt.
  > However, the files play fine (from floppy disk) on my Clavinova,
  > which reads both midi and eseq formats.
  >
  > Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the files so that ESEQ2MIDI will
  > be able to do the conversions?
  > Are there any programs that will do the conversions on the original
  > disk itself (which is not readable on a PC unless one uses the
  > dkvcopy program).
  >
  > Thanks
  >
  > Sam Safran
  > sam.safran@...
  >
  >
  >
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  >
  > Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It contains
some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other things,
The url is:
  > http://MuncyFamily.com
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Sheldon's warning is true.  Pay close attention to the caveats on 
Giebler's Web page:

"All programs run under MS-DOS on IBM PC-XT, PC-AT, or compatibles with 
a hard disk drive and a 3 1/2" floppy disk drive. Most programs may be 
run under an MS-DOS shell under Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows 98 or 
Windows ME."

You may have to keep an antique computer around to use the Giebler 
program.  E-SEQ is sort of an antique too, isn't it?

Sheldon Deluty wrote:
> fyi, giebler's program absolutely positively does NOT work under windows 
> xp, because xp has no true DOS mode
>  
> you need any operating system other than xp (95, 98, me) which can 
> operate in true DOS mode
>  
> i have asked giebler myself, and he either cannot or will not rewrite 
> his program to work under xp
>  
> giebler works best with an old slower computer
>  
> i know this from personal experience
>  
> actually, with giebler you can transfer filed from an eseq diskette to 
> your hard drive, convert them and then transfer them back to a diskette
>  
> sheldon deluty
>  
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Robert Welcyng [mailto:rwelcyng@...]
>     Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:09 PM
>     To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>     Subject: Re: [disklavier] Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI
> 
>     Sam, I've always used the Giebler Utilities to do that job.  See
>     www.giebler.com  It's not free, but it does the job reliably.  With it,
>     you cannot copy an entire Yamaha-protected Pianosoft diskette; however,
>     you can copy and convert individual files.
> 
>     For fun, I once tried the ESEQ2MIDI program and it didn't work for me
>     either.  Rather than fight it, I continued to use Giebler which I had
>     used for years.
> 
>     If you have never worked under DOS, you just need to follow Giebler's
>     instruction manual.  (If you cut your teeth on CP/M or DOS in the early
>     days, you're in for a retro experience.)
> 
> 
> 
>     bpsafran wrote:
>      > Greetings:
>      >
>      > I want to convert some eseq files that I purchased from Yamaha to
>      > Midi so that I can edit and save them on my Clavinova.  I tried
>      > using the ESEQ2MIDI program on the files (extracted to my hard disk
>      > using the dkvcopy program) but I get an error message from ESEQ2MIDI
>      > on each file that says ESEQ file is corrupt.
>      > However, the files play fine (from floppy disk) on my Clavinova,
>      > which reads both midi and eseq formats.
>      >
>      > Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the files so that ESEQ2MIDI will
>      > be able to do the conversions?
>      > Are there any programs that will do the conversions on the original
>      > disk itself (which is not readable on a PC unless one uses the
>      > dkvcopy program).
>      >
>      > Thanks
>      >
>      > Sam Safran
>      > sam.safran@...
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > To Post a message to the group, send it to:  
>     disklavier@...
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>     moderator, send it to:
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>      >
>      > To reach our group's web site go to:
>      > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>      >
>      > Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It
>     contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among
>     many other things, The url is:
>      > http://MuncyFamily.com
>      >
>      > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
>      > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too
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>     Anchorage, Alaska
> 
> 
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> 
>     Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It contains
>     some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other
>     things, The url is:
>     http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
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> Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It contains 
> some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other 
> things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
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that is correct!!

until i recently upgraded the player unit on my mark ii to the supeior xg
unit (as per the sage recommendation of the delphic oracle of yamaha pianos,
pianobench@...), i kept a laptop with windows 95 specificallyjust to run
giebler

i tried every which way to get giebler to run on xp, but it won't

alternatively, you could use partition magic to partition a small piece of a
hard drive, install windows 95 and boot into that partition when you need to
(i am sure windows 95 disks are still floating around) and run giebler

the program is fairly inexpensive (less than $30??) and i think giebler
still sells it

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Robert Welcyng [mailto:rwelcyng@...]
  Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:01 PM
  To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [disklavier] Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI


  Sheldon's warning is true.  Pay close attention to the caveats on
  Giebler's Web page:

  "All programs run under MS-DOS on IBM PC-XT, PC-AT, or compatibles with
  a hard disk drive and a 3 1/2" floppy disk drive. Most programs may be
  run under an MS-DOS shell under Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows 98 or
  Windows ME."

  You may have to keep an antique computer around to use the Giebler
  program.  E-SEQ is sort of an antique too, isn't it?

  Sheldon Deluty wrote:
  > fyi, giebler's program absolutely positively does NOT work under windows
  > xp, because xp has no true DOS mode
  >
  > you need any operating system other than xp (95, 98, me) which can
  > operate in true DOS mode
  >
  > i have asked giebler myself, and he either cannot or will not rewrite
  > his program to work under xp
  >
  > giebler works best with an old slower computer
  >
  > i know this from personal experience
  >
  > actually, with giebler you can transfer filed from an eseq diskette to
  > your hard drive, convert them and then transfer them back to a diskette
  >
  > sheldon deluty
  >
  >
  >     -----Original Message-----
  >     From: Robert Welcyng [mailto:rwelcyng@...]
  >     Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:09 PM
  >     To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
  >     Subject: Re: [disklavier] Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI
  >
  >     Sam, I've always used the Giebler Utilities to do that job.  See
  >     www.giebler.com  It's not free, but it does the job reliably.  With
it,
  >     you cannot copy an entire Yamaha-protected Pianosoft diskette;
however,
  >     you can copy and convert individual files.
  >
  >     For fun, I once tried the ESEQ2MIDI program and it didn't work for
me
  >     either.  Rather than fight it, I continued to use Giebler which I
had
  >     used for years.
  >
  >     If you have never worked under DOS, you just need to follow
Giebler's
  >     instruction manual.  (If you cut your teeth on CP/M or DOS in the
early
  >     days, you're in for a retro experience.)
  >
  >
  >
  >     bpsafran wrote:
  >      > Greetings:
  >      >
  >      > I want to convert some eseq files that I purchased from Yamaha to
  >      > Midi so that I can edit and save them on my Clavinova.  I tried
  >      > using the ESEQ2MIDI program on the files (extracted to my hard
disk
  >      > using the dkvcopy program) but I get an error message from
ESEQ2MIDI
  >      > on each file that says ESEQ file is corrupt.
  >      > However, the files play fine (from floppy disk) on my Clavinova,
  >      > which reads both midi and eseq formats.
  >      >
  >      > Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the files so that ESEQ2MIDI
will
  >      > be able to do the conversions?
  >      > Are there any programs that will do the conversions on the
original
  >      > disk itself (which is not readable on a PC unless one uses the
  >      > dkvcopy program).
  >      >
  >      > Thanks
  >      >
  >      > Sam Safran
  >      > sam.safran@...
  >      >
  >      >
  >      >
  >      > To Post a message to the group, send it to:
  >     disklavier@...
  >      >
  >      > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and
  >     moderator, send it to:
  >      > disklavier-owner@...
  >      >
  >      > To reach our group's web site go to:
  >      > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
  >      >
  >      > Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It
  >     contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among
  >     many other things, The url is:
  >      > http://MuncyFamily.com
  >      >
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  >     Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It contains
  >     some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other
  >     things, The url is:
  >     http://MuncyFamily.com
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I just checked some of my backups and found the same thing.  Most of the
time, ESEQ files are .fil files and they easily convert to MIDI files using
ESEQ2MID program.  However, some of them are YFD files that show up when
using Giebler to QX3 files, and I can do nothing with them.  Anyone know
what the difference is?

Carol Beigel

----- Original Message -----
From: "bpsafran" <sam.safran@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:43 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI


> Greetings:
>
> I want to convert some eseq files that I purchased from Yamaha to
> Midi so that I can edit and save them on my Clavinova.  I tried
> using the ESEQ2MIDI program on the files (extracted to my hard disk
> using the dkvcopy program) but I get an error message from ESEQ2MIDI
> on each file that says ESEQ file is corrupt.
> However, the files play fine (from floppy disk) on my Clavinova,
> which reads both midi and eseq formats.
>
> Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the files so that ESEQ2MIDI will
> be able to do the conversions?
> Are there any programs that will do the conversions on the original
> disk itself (which is not readable on a PC unless one uses the
> dkvcopy program).
>
> Thanks
>
> Sam Safran
> sam.safran@...
>
>
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Carol, a *.YDF file is what the Giebler Utility writes to hard drive 
when it copies a song from a PianoSoft diskette.  I've never looked at 
the binary code to see how it differs from a *.fil.  Giebler will 
convert a *.YDF file to a *.mid file, however.

Carol Beigel wrote:
> I just checked some of my backups and found the same thing.  Most of the
> time, ESEQ files are .fil files and they easily convert to MIDI files using
> ESEQ2MID program.  However, some of them are YFD files that show up when
> using Giebler to QX3 files, and I can do nothing with them.  Anyone know
> what the difference is?
> 
> Carol Beigel
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bpsafran" <sam.safran@...>
> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:43 PM
> Subject: [disklavier] Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI
> 
> 
> 
>>Greetings:
>>
>>I want to convert some eseq files that I purchased from Yamaha to
>>Midi so that I can edit and save them on my Clavinova.  I tried
>>using the ESEQ2MIDI program on the files (extracted to my hard disk
>>using the dkvcopy program) but I get an error message from ESEQ2MIDI
>>on each file that says ESEQ file is corrupt.
>>However, the files play fine (from floppy disk) on my Clavinova,
>>which reads both midi and eseq formats.
>>
>>Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the files so that ESEQ2MIDI will
>>be able to do the conversions?
>>Are there any programs that will do the conversions on the original
>>disk itself (which is not readable on a PC unless one uses the
>>dkvcopy program).
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Sam Safran
>>sam.safran@...
>>
>>
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>>Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It contains some
> 
> fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other things, The
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> 
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Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

Hi

Are these files ones that you have downloaded using Yamaha's download 
program?
If so then you would have used a 1.4Meg floppy.  If this IS correct 
then dkvcopy will only work in DOS AND on a 720K disk NOT a 1.4Meg.
Also then you use their download program it changes it disk so that 
the PC will not read it.

There is a program coming soon that will help. But in the meantime 
mail me direct for further help.

Midi Magic




--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "bpsafran" <sam.safran@w...> wrote:
> Greetings:
> 
> I want to convert some eseq files that I purchased from Yamaha to 
> Midi so that I can edit and save them on my Clavinova.  I tried 
> using the ESEQ2MIDI program on the files (extracted to my hard disk 
> using the dkvcopy program) but I get an error message from 
ESEQ2MIDI 
> on each file that says ESEQ file is corrupt.
> However, the files play fine (from floppy disk) on my Clavinova, 
> which reads both midi and eseq formats.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the files so that ESEQ2MIDI 
will 

> be able to do the conversions?
> Are there any programs that will do the conversions on the original 
> disk itself (which is not readable on a PC unless one uses the 
> dkvcopy program).
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Sam Safran
> sam.safran@w...

Hi Carol

Can you send them over and I'll have a look.  What instument are they 
from.

Midi Magic





--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <crbrpt@b...> wrote:
> I just checked some of my backups and found the same thing.  Most 
of the
> time, ESEQ files are .fil files and they easily convert to MIDI 
files using
> ESEQ2MID program.  However, some of them are YFD files that show up 
when
> using Giebler to QX3 files, and I can do nothing with them.  Anyone 
know
> what the difference is?
> 
> Carol Beigel
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bpsafran" <sam.safran@w...>
> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:43 PM
> Subject: [disklavier] Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI
> 
> 
> > Greetings:
> >
> > I want to convert some eseq files that I purchased from Yamaha to
> > Midi so that I can edit and save them on my Clavinova.  I tried
> > using the ESEQ2MIDI program on the files (extracted to my hard 
disk
> > using the dkvcopy program) but I get an error message from 
ESEQ2MIDI
> > on each file that says ESEQ file is corrupt.
> > However, the files play fine (from floppy disk) on my Clavinova,
> > which reads both midi and eseq formats.
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the files so that ESEQ2MIDI 
will
> > be able to do the conversions?
> > Are there any programs that will do the conversions on the 
original
> > disk itself (which is not readable on a PC unless one uses the
> > dkvcopy program).
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Sam Safran
> > sam.safran@w...
> >
> >
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> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> >
> > Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It 
contains some
> fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other 
things, The
> url is:
> > http://MuncyFamily.com
> >
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Carol

I see that they are from that DOS program.  When our program is 
finnished it will work in Windows.  Also, but don't quote me on this" 
it should work under XP as well.

Midi Magic


--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "midi_magic2000" <magic_midi@h...> 
wrote:
> Hi Carol
> 
> Can you send them over and I'll have a look.  What instument are 
they 
> from.
> 
> Midi Magic
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <crbrpt@b...> 
wrote:
> > I just checked some of my backups and found the same thing.  Most 
> of the
> > time, ESEQ files are .fil files and they easily convert to MIDI 
> files using
> > ESEQ2MID program.  However, some of them are YFD files that show 
up 
> when
> > using Giebler to QX3 files, and I can do nothing with them.  
Anyone 
> know
> > what the difference is?
> > 
> > Carol Beigel
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "bpsafran" <sam.safran@w...>
> > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:43 PM
> > Subject: [disklavier] Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI
> > 
> > 
> > > Greetings:
> > >
> > > I want to convert some eseq files that I purchased from Yamaha 
to
> > > Midi so that I can edit and save them on my Clavinova.  I tried
> > > using the ESEQ2MIDI program on the files (extracted to my hard 
> disk
> > > using the dkvcopy program) but I get an error message from 
> ESEQ2MIDI
> > > on each file that says ESEQ file is corrupt.
> > > However, the files play fine (from floppy disk) on my Clavinova,
> > > which reads both midi and eseq formats.
> > >
> > > Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the files so that ESEQ2MIDI 
> will
> > > be able to do the conversions?
> > > Are there any programs that will do the conversions on the 
> original
> > > disk itself (which is not readable on a PC unless one uses the
> > > dkvcopy program).
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Sam Safran
> > > sam.safran@w...
> > >
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> contains some
> > fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other 
> things, The
> > url is:
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Thank you once again Robert!  I had stored some .YDF files on my hard drive
of the computer I use all the time but not the one I run Giebler.  Once I
copied those .YDF files to the hard drive of my Windows 3.1 computer and ran
Giebler, everything worked out fine and I created a Yamaha disk.

It is interesting, though, that ESEQ2MID sees a .fil file, but not a .YDF
file.  It just shows that you need to choose which software you are going to
use to backup your Yamaha disks, as the dkvutils and Giebler are not
compatable.

Apparently, if you copy .YDF files from a hard drive to a floppy disk, then
copy them back to your hard drive using Giebler, Giebler sees them as QX3
files.

Carol Beigel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Welcyng" <rwelcyng@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI


> Carol, a *.YDF file is what the Giebler Utility writes to hard drive
> when it copies a song from a PianoSoft diskette.  I've never looked at
> the binary code to see how it differs from a *.fil.  Giebler will
> convert a *.YDF file to a *.mid file, however.
>
> Carol Beigel wrote:
> > I just checked some of my backups and found the same thing.  Most of the
> > time, ESEQ files are .fil files and they easily convert to MIDI files
using
> > ESEQ2MID program.  However, some of them are YFD files that show up when
> > using Giebler to QX3 files, and I can do nothing with them.  Anyone know
> > what the difference is?
> >
> > Carol Beigel
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "bpsafran" <sam.safran@...>
> > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:43 PM
> > Subject: [disklavier] Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI
> >
> >
> >
> >>Greetings:
> >>
> >>I want to convert some eseq files that I purchased from Yamaha to
> >>Midi so that I can edit and save them on my Clavinova.  I tried
> >>using the ESEQ2MIDI program on the files (extracted to my hard disk
> >>using the dkvcopy program) but I get an error message from ESEQ2MIDI
> >>on each file that says ESEQ file is corrupt.
> >>However, the files play fine (from floppy disk) on my Clavinova,
> >>which reads both midi and eseq formats.
> >>
> >>Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the files so that ESEQ2MIDI will
> >>be able to do the conversions?
> >>Are there any programs that will do the conversions on the original
> >>disk itself (which is not readable on a PC unless one uses the
> >>dkvcopy program).
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>
> >>Sam Safran
> >>sam.safran@...
> >>
> >>
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> >>Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It contains
some
> >
> > fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other things,
The
> > url is:
> >
> >>http://MuncyFamily.com
> >>
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> >
> > Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It contains
some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other things,
The url is:
> > http://MuncyFamily.com
> >
> > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
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> Anchorage, Alaska
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> http://MuncyFamily.com
>
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There is a command line tool in XP (or other versions of Windows) called
DISKCOPY.exe.  You can use it to make copies of 720K or 1.44M floppy
discs.  I downloaded a couple of discs from yamahamusicsoft.com and I
was able to make copies of them with the DISKCOPY.exe command.  This
tool does a blind copy so it ignores the first sector (with a bunch of
F6's).  I haven't tried but I think it would work for other "copy
protected" discs.  

 

BTW, if you have a hard time finding 720K discs, or want to just use
regular 1.44M discs, just use some non-clear tape to tape over one of
the holes on a 1.44M disc and reformat it to 720K.

 

________________________________

From: midi_magic2000 [mailto:magic_midi@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:19 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI

 

Hi

Are these files ones that you have downloaded using Yamaha's download 
program?
If so then you would have used a 1.4Meg floppy.  If this IS correct 
then dkvcopy will only work in DOS AND on a 720K disk NOT a 1.4Meg.
Also then you use their download program it changes it disk so that 
the PC will not read it.

There is a program coming soon that will help. But in the meantime 
mail me direct for further help.

Midi Magic




--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "bpsafran" <sam.safran@w...> wrote:
> Greetings:
> 
> I want to convert some eseq files that I purchased from Yamaha to 
> Midi so that I can edit and save them on my Clavinova.  I tried 
> using the ESEQ2MIDI program on the files (extracted to my hard disk 
> using the dkvcopy program) but I get an error message from 
ESEQ2MIDI 
> on each file that says ESEQ file is corrupt.
> However, the files play fine (from floppy disk) on my Clavinova, 
> which reads both midi and eseq formats.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the files so that ESEQ2MIDI 
will 
> be able to do the conversions?
> Are there any programs that will do the conversions on the original 
> disk itself (which is not readable on a PC unless one uses the 
> dkvcopy program).
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Sam Safran
> sam.safran@w...





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Hi,

Thanks will try diskcopy using dos.

With regards to the disks, I think it is much faster to use the freely 
available 1.4m disks and use the discopy than go looking to buy the old 
720s. I do use the tape as you do.

Thanks
\Budds

>From: "Lit Wong" <lit@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [disklavier] Re: Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI
>Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:50:16 -0800
>
>There is a command line tool in XP (or other versions of Windows) called
>DISKCOPY.exe.  You can use it to make copies of 720K or 1.44M floppy
>discs.  I downloaded a couple of discs from yamahamusicsoft.com and I
>was able to make copies of them with the DISKCOPY.exe command.  This
>tool does a blind copy so it ignores the first sector (with a bunch of
>F6's).  I haven't tried but I think it would work for other "copy
>protected" discs.
>
>
>
>BTW, if you have a hard time finding 720K discs, or want to just use
>regular 1.44M discs, just use some non-clear tape to tape over one of
>the holes on a 1.44M disc and reformat it to 720K.
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: midi_magic2000 [mailto:magic_midi@...]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:19 AM
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [disklavier] Re: Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI
>
>
>
>Hi
>
>Are these files ones that you have downloaded using Yamaha's download
>program?
>If so then you would have used a 1.4Meg floppy.  If this IS correct
>then dkvcopy will only work in DOS AND on a 720K disk NOT a 1.4Meg.
>Also then you use their download program it changes it disk so that
>the PC will not read it.
>
>There is a program coming soon that will help. But in the meantime
>mail me direct for further help.
>
>Midi Magic
>
>
>
>
>--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "bpsafran" <sam.safran@w...> wrote:
> > Greetings:
> >
> > I want to convert some eseq files that I purchased from Yamaha to
> > Midi so that I can edit and save them on my Clavinova.  I tried
> > using the ESEQ2MIDI program on the files (extracted to my hard disk
> > using the dkvcopy program) but I get an error message from
>ESEQ2MIDI
> > on each file that says ESEQ file is corrupt.
> > However, the files play fine (from floppy disk) on my Clavinova,
> > which reads both midi and eseq formats.
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the files so that ESEQ2MIDI
>will
> > be able to do the conversions?
> > Are there any programs that will do the conversions on the original
> > disk itself (which is not readable on a PC unless one uses the
> > dkvcopy program).
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Sam Safran
> > sam.safran@w...
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I have a giebler'r ultilies version that i brought last june.
I don´t think that the version is new.

IT WORKS UNDER XP!

But only with 2HD disks. (1.4 megs)

I have used it a few times, mainly when I download files from yamaha 
with the yamaha downloader that writes the "special yamaha format"

Extract indiviual files to HD and the convert them to midi also with 
the giebler utility.

All this under XP.

If the .FIL in not in a protectyed yamaha disk I allways use 
SEQ2MIDI whith no problems.

I hope this helps.

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Sheldon Deluty" <mdshd@e...> 
wrote:
> fyi, giebler's program absolutely positively does NOT work under 
windows xp,
> because xp has no true DOS mode
> 
> you need any operating system other than xp (95, 98, me) which can 
operate
> in true DOS mode
> 
> i have asked giebler myself, and he either cannot or will not 
rewrite his
> program to work under xp
> 
> giebler works best with an old slower computer
> 
> i know this from personal experience
> 
> actually, with giebler you can transfer filed from an eseq 
diskette to your
> hard drive, convert them and then transfer them back to a diskette
> 
> sheldon deluty
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Robert Welcyng [mailto:rwelcyng@a...]
>   Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:09 PM
>   To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [disklavier] Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI
> 
> 
>   Sam, I've always used the Giebler Utilities to do that job.  See
>   www.giebler.com  It's not free, but it does the job reliably.  
With it,
>   you cannot copy an entire Yamaha-protected Pianosoft diskette; 
however,
>   you can copy and convert individual files.
> 
>   For fun, I once tried the ESEQ2MIDI program and it didn't work 
for me
>   either.  Rather than fight it, I continued to use Giebler which 
I had
>   used for years.
> 
>   If you have never worked under DOS, you just need to follow 
Giebler's
>   instruction manual.  (If you cut your teeth on CP/M or DOS in 
the early
>   days, you're in for a retro experience.)
> 
> 
> 
>   bpsafran wrote:
>   > Greetings:
>   >
>   > I want to convert some eseq files that I purchased from Yamaha 
to
>   > Midi so that I can edit and save them on my Clavinova.  I tried
>   > using the ESEQ2MIDI program on the files (extracted to my hard 
disk
>   > using the dkvcopy program) but I get an error message from 
ESEQ2MIDI
>   > on each file that says ESEQ file is corrupt.
>   > However, the files play fine (from floppy disk) on my 
Clavinova,
>   > which reads both midi and eseq formats.
>   >
>   > Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the files so that 
ESEQ2MIDI will
>   > be able to do the conversions?
>   > Are there any programs that will do the conversions on the 
original
>   > disk itself (which is not readable on a PC unless one uses the
>   > dkvcopy program).
>   >
>   > Thanks
>   >
>   > Sam Safran
>   > sam.safran@w...
>   >
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Hi everyone:

I resolved the problem with ESEQ2MIDI.  I got things to work
when I used the dvcopy program on a true 720K DD (not HD) disk.
The original songs were on a HD disk and I had to copy them to 
a DD disk to get dvcopy and then ESEQ2MIDI to work properly.

I now have the .FIL coverted to Midi and can edit them etc.
However, I don't understand the tempo -- it says 117bpm for all the 
songs; yet, they all play at different actual tempos.  

Can anyone advise me on how to get the midi file to show the correct 
tempo and time signature or otherwise correct the timing of the files.
Note: they all sound correct.  But the notation (seen on the screen 
of my Clavinova or in a sequencer) looks strange and I think this is 
due to the fact that the midi tempo is always set to 117 in the 
conversion.

Thanks

Sam

Hi


> I now have the .FIL coverted to Midi and can edit them etc.
> However, I don't understand the tempo -- it says 117bpm for all the 
> songs; yet, they all play at different actual tempos.  

First of all, the Tempo of 117bpm is the DEFAULT for Pianosoft Disks.
The pianosoft disk are recorded live and NOT to any tempo so there is 
no point in changing it from the default. 


> Can anyone advise me on how to get the midi file to show the 
correct tempo and time signature or otherwise correct the timing of 
the files.

You could load the midi file into a sequencer and change the tempo, 
BUT again there would be no point as the pianist would not adhere to 
it as it was played lve.

> Note: they all sound correct.  But the notation (seen on the screen 
> of my Clavinova or in a sequencer) looks strange and I think this 
is due to the fact that the midi tempo is always set to 117 in the 
conversion.


Yes they are correct and yes the notation is a mess. Yet again this 
is because it was played in REAL time. This has nothing to do with 
the tempo but more to do with Quantisation, (time slots per second).  

When the songs are recorded the piano has to put each note / event 
into a "time slot". The more time slots per second you have the more 
acurrate the music will be. The problem occures when you try to 
display the music as there are far less time slots to put the notes 
into. This means some of the notes have to go into the same slots and 
others have to go into the next slots.  If you record the music with 
say 960 time slots / second then you need to display it at 960.
However sequencers can only display at a much lower resolution. This 
is because there are only so many notes that can be displayed in a 
bar. (hemi-demi-semi-quaver). 

Hope that helps.

Midi Magic

> 
> Thanks
> 
> Sam